To put the point in another light [yes, I fully agree with you]:
$ tail -n 15/usr/src/linux/init/main.c /* * We try each of these until one succeeds. * * The Bourne shell can be used instead of init if we are * trying to recover a really broken machine. */
if (execute_command) execve(execute_command,argv_init,envp_init); execve("/sbin/init",argv_init,envp_init); execve("/etc/init",argv_init,envp_init); execve("/bin/init",argv_init,envp_init); execve("/bin/sh",argv_init,envp_init); panic("No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel."); } $
Modify this to start, say, a GUI or something else, and you've got another "totally different OS" by the standards of the article. Linux, by itself, is an operating system by terms of low-level management of hardware etc. The user interface (shell, etc...) is an add-on.
This is _exactly_ what I've been saying for the longest. Forget about Outlook
and its craptacular features and remember Macro BASIC. How long have macro
viruses been around? 10 years? At least. Has MS done _absolutely anything_
about them? Oh, Office 2000 has some features that keep these things from
happening, but that's an age-old vulnerability! MS certainly has a lot of
fault in this, and it responsible for quite a bit of its misfortune [from
Concept all the way to the latest ska and so on], but who is really the
responsible party now? The idiots who still use these products and put faith
in them, believing that the entire work of macro viruses is "normal", and
that it's all the "damn hackers'" fault.
What could have been done? Well, let's see...
Sandboxing
Altering abused commands
Restricting writes to primary templates
etc...
Of course, this has only bred a response now, and I don't know of any place
that it's really been put to the test; however, it's sure as hell made NAI
and Symantec richer than hell over something that could have [and should have!]
been fixed long ago.
Not exactly true. I used to work for a shoe manufacturer, where there were
safety violations everywhere. OSHA would come in on their normal routine
inspections, and everything would be A-OK [except for some small item that
would be cleared up on the spot]. Why is this? Money.
This company also had illegal labor practices. All those who reported this
to state and federal agencies were told either "we'll check on it" or even
"tough shit". 18-21 hour workdays aren't illegal for companies that have
active relations with China and the clout to buy legislation. Why is this?
Money.
This company [I'm not naming it] was finally "forced" to clean things up
when someone filed civil charges; an employee. I quit after getting to the
point where I'd lost a ton of weight and couldn't sleep or eat for the
hours. What I've been hearing was that the practices which were in place
while I was there are still in place. No change, still forced overtime in
excess of the 16 hour a day maximum. Still hazardous working conditions.
Why is this? Money. They have the money, and the employee gets screwed
[especially the temps, God help them]
This software is CrapWare. This means that you're free to use it at ABSOLUTELY
NO COST whatsoever. You also have rights to the source code [the basic make-up
of the program] which should be included with the program. You are free to mod-
ify the program and to port it to different systems, provided all derivative
works fall under this license. If you modify the source for distribution, then
the original author must be made aware of this by sending a copy of the source
code of the modified version to him. If you plan on distributing this or a
derivative for a cost, then the author shall recieve the total sum of one (1)
dollar U.S. for each unit sold, and as mentioned before, the source code will
be available under the CrapWare license to each individual who recieves a copy
of the program.
THERE IS NO WARRANTY IMPLIED OR EXPRESSED OR EVEN AVAILABLE IN REGARDS TO THE
PROGRAM. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. THERE IS NO FUNCTIONALITY GUARANTEED NOR HINTED
AT IN THE RELEASE OF THIS PROGRAM. If you recieve a derivative version of this
software from a source other than that of the original author and do not reci-
eve the source code, contact the author of the derivative work and request a
copy.
Conditions of revocation of licensing:
1: Distribution of this code or derivative works without the source code
2: Useage of the program for purposes of mind control, thought control, or
any control of any species of the animal kingdom
3: Useage of this program in application orally,vaginally,or anally. This is
a topical program only.
4: Useage of this program for the sales, production, or distribution of
narcotics, barbituates, hallucinogens, or other things which may make the
author get jail time.
5: Useage of this program for the sexual molestation of farm animals and/or
wildlife.
6: Useage of this program while listening to the Carpenters on a Tuesday of
any month which contains more than thirty (30) days.
7: Useage of this program while operating heavy machinery unless approved by
a physician.
This program is exportable freely under the conditions of export restrictions
in the United States of America and of Antarctica. By compiling and executing
this program you signify your acceptance of these terms.
Lucky in many ways. In my tech support days [may their record be blotted from
the Earth], we had the standard cube-village with lots of noise. Relief came
from people throwing things at each other, and the occasional blood-curdling
scream coming from someone just getting off a call with an utter idiot.
One day, management decided to pipe some happy-happy shit^H^H^H^Hmusic
through the PA system. This went on all day, until they discovered our plans
to steal ladders and rip the speakers out of the ceiling. Only 3 or 4 people
actually enjoyed this; the rest of us [death metal fans, heavy metal fans,
classical fans, and other non-happy shit genre listeners] wanted to kill.
My God, how can anyone who's seen Redneck Zombies not rate that #1? That
has to have been the dumbest movie [if you can call some guy running around
with a video camera a movie] in existance. Apart from bad acting, 0 special
effects budgeting, and a ludicrous screen-saver looking "acid trip", there
wasn't anything redeemable about the movie.
Just remember one thing: How long did it take MS to create an end-user based operating system? Windows 3.1 was the first time Microsoft made an end user interface anyone could use, and it still lacked many fundamental design intricasies that were necessary. 95 was their first real success; before 3.1, the personal computer wasn't the "toy" for the masses it is now. Linus' figures are extremely accurate [in my eye] concerning the end-user market usability. The current situation with X reminds me of the early days of Windows 2.0, where Microsoft's advertisements blatantly say "It'll help you get ready for OS/2!"
Ok, I wasn't planning on responding in this thread because I felt all bases were covered. I have no links of this, but if memory serves [as far as the time, not what was said...I remember that] there was a conference in Toronto CA a few years ago [I'm thinking 96'ish] where they had a discussion about smart cards and these kinds of devices. The subject was brought up to the same folks you're hearing about now [the folks that are alledgedly developing Digital Angel] that the smart cards could be stolen, and their suggestion was this: an implant, which could be placed in the areas of the body which are both convenient to access and provide the greatest identification: the right hand [vein structure] and, if the subject had no right hand, the forehead [browbone and retinas].
Some companies and corporations swear by Novell, mostly because it's what they
know. Novell works [for the most part], and for many companies the cost of
migrating 100% over to another solution would cost them far more than just the
software installs. For many years, Novell was the leader for the low-to-mid
network end just because it was cheaper for them to throw down a Novell setup
with standard *DOS, and hire a CNE for about the same MCSEs are going for
these days, rather than pay for a UNIX and everything go for at leasttwice as
much [administration and software, costwise. UNIX admins have, for the most
part, been the high $$ ones]. Now, Novell's so highly ingrained in some places
that it's practically irremovable [if such a word exists].
Atop Gamera and Mozilla, there's also the Chimera web browser, the Chimera web server [written in Java], and for Inferno and Plan9, there's the Mothra web browser.
Immediately following posting on slashdot.org of the statistic of approximately 87 million hosts being connected to the internet, the statistics increased jumped to 186 trillion hosts. "How in the hell is this possible," one spokesman was quoted as saying, "There aren't that many people on this whole damn planet, and Hell! There can't be _THAT_ many addresses under IPv4!" Logs indicate connections above and beyond the standard 255.255.255.255 range, showing such IP addresses as 1.4m.3l337.b147ch and 666.666.666.666. Federal officers have been subsequently summoned to investigate whether or not this is actualy a function of a new Distributed Denial of Service [DDoS] such as the one that struck Yahoo! and other major sites recently. This phenomenon is being classed as a new variant of well-known Trinoo and TFN, labelled curiously "Slashdot Effect".
There's quite a bit of software that installs in both locations [/opt and/usr/local]. Some people just keep it simple by creating an/opt partition and symlinking/usr/local to/opt.
There's also some argument for creating a symlink from/home to/u, since older software configurations use that [Minix uses/usr as the base of the/home directories]. When I'm dealing with a shell that doesn't readily have tab completion on a system, it's faster to type/opt or/u than/usr/local or/home (:
I seem to remember this design as a water tower cooling unit for an older Trane(tm) model industrial/commercial air conditioner. Add on some louvers on all four sides and the constant scream of about 12 fans, and probably add about 30 feet in all for directions and I bet that sucker could cool down a dual-cooled condenser coil in a matter of minutes [without the plexiglas... I mean, come ON! That's just WRONG!] Seems they did a pretty good job on the image, but there's a few things that say that it's fake.
I've got the perfect person for the role! I'm surprised nobody's thought of this yet...want conspiracies? Try Rev. Ivan Stang of the Church of the SubGenius! Bring up 5000 more absolutely bizarre and impossible conspiracies linked directly with humans having sexual relations with aliens! Praise "Bob"!
The refresh rate change was done already by the Hellraiser family of viruses. This program would reproduce quickly, and cause the monitor to cycle its refresh rates until the monitor smoked. There was a variant a few years ago that combined its normal principal with a time bomb; theoretically, that's why many of the newer monitors have some mechanism enabled to prompt you for changes of refresh rate.
That's the odd thing about fvwm...fvwm itself has about the same memory footprint on my system as twm, but fvwm2 is much more a resource. I switch back and forth between twm and xfce typically, but then again, I play around with others. twm and xfce have been the only ones that I stick with, as most of the others are larger and less manageable. twm reminds me of some of the embedded devices and kiosks I've run across over the past 15 years (:
I kinda know the feeling [in a not-so-drastic way]...I grew up in a small town that had just gotten past the point where everyone knew everyone and outsiders were moving in. Ok, fine. I watched it turn into "model Suburbia", where the houses that were sold around '81-'86 for less than $50k now sell for almost $150K, and the newer houses are in the range of $300K to $1M. The entire area is corporatized...it's no longer the place I grew up in. So, what did I do? I took the first jump out into the country. I know I feel a hell of a lot better now that I'm back outside of the rush.
The reason for the lower gas prices: bulk purchase, plus membership in OPEC. That's the big secret; in large scale purchasing and selling, the US has a lot of weight to throw around OPEC.
Why is MP3 the most popular format? Because you can get copyrighted songs for free. The other formats have copyright protection, so they aren't as popular because people will have to actually pay for the music. If I started scanning books and putting them online for free, my format would easily beat any other format where you had to pay for the book. Does that make it okay that people are getting books from me instead of paying for them? Stealing doesn't become right when it becomes popular.
Whoa! Easy there...if you didn't know it, I'll fill you in: books as text files have been available over the net ["pirated" by folks that either OCR them or use other means] since TymNet was one of the biggest of the bigwigs. Why didn't this destroy the publishing industry? Simple: people prefer hard copies. That's the reason why the "e-books", or whatever they call them, have thusfar been doomed to failure. In similar respects, this is what will eventually happen with music. People like to be able to take a CD with them. Yes, you can argue about CD burners and all that, but what happens when the industry creates a new portable media that digital recording via next year's crop of computers won't sound anywhere near as good, and the recorders [like the CD-Rs a few years ago] are $12K for a new one? This will happen inevitably, as will technology catch up and find us in the same situation we are today. It's been an ever-growing cycle since the invention of the phonograph, and it doesn't appear to be reaching a stopping point in the next few years.
Re:I'd love to see such a system
on
Pirate DNS?
·
· Score: 1
Hell, we could even restrict "our" network to using only gopher - that would keep the newbies at bay!!
Slashdot Mirror
To put the point in another light [yes, I fully agree with you]:
/usr/src/linux/init/main.c
/*
$ tail -n 15
* We try each of these until one succeeds.
*
* The Bourne shell can be used instead of init if we are
* trying to recover a really broken machine.
*/
if (execute_command)
execve(execute_command,argv_init,envp_init);
execve("/sbin/init",argv_init,envp_init);
execve("/etc/init",argv_init,envp_init);
execve("/bin/init",argv_init,envp_init);
execve("/bin/sh",argv_init,envp_init);
panic("No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.");
}
$
Modify this to start, say, a GUI or something else, and you've got another
"totally different OS" by the standards of the article. Linux, by itself,
is an operating system by terms of low-level management of hardware etc.
The user interface (shell, etc...) is an add-on.
UNIX isn't an operating system! It's a way of life! (:
Just to let you know, any skr1pt k1dd13 worth his/her salt knew about this
last month.
This is _exactly_ what I've been saying for the longest. Forget about Outlook
and its craptacular features and remember Macro BASIC. How long have macro
viruses been around? 10 years? At least. Has MS done _absolutely anything_
about them? Oh, Office 2000 has some features that keep these things from
happening, but that's an age-old vulnerability! MS certainly has a lot of
fault in this, and it responsible for quite a bit of its misfortune [from
Concept all the way to the latest ska and so on], but who is really the
responsible party now? The idiots who still use these products and put faith
in them, believing that the entire work of macro viruses is "normal", and
that it's all the "damn hackers'" fault.
What could have been done? Well, let's see...
Sandboxing
Altering abused commands
Restricting writes to primary templates
etc...
Of course, this has only bred a response now, and I don't know of any place
that it's really been put to the test; however, it's sure as hell made NAI
and Symantec richer than hell over something that could have [and should have!]
been fixed long ago.
don't forget "Bob"...His name should always be in quotes (:
Not exactly true. I used to work for a shoe manufacturer, where there were
safety violations everywhere. OSHA would come in on their normal routine
inspections, and everything would be A-OK [except for some small item that
would be cleared up on the spot]. Why is this? Money.
This company also had illegal labor practices. All those who reported this
to state and federal agencies were told either "we'll check on it" or even
"tough shit". 18-21 hour workdays aren't illegal for companies that have
active relations with China and the clout to buy legislation. Why is this?
Money.
This company [I'm not naming it] was finally "forced" to clean things up
when someone filed civil charges; an employee. I quit after getting to the
point where I'd lost a ton of weight and couldn't sleep or eat for the
hours. What I've been hearing was that the practices which were in place
while I was there are still in place. No change, still forced overtime in
excess of the 16 hour a day maximum. Still hazardous working conditions.
Why is this? Money. They have the money, and the employee gets screwed
[especially the temps, God help them]
The CrapWare Public License Agreement
This software is CrapWare. This means that you're free to use it at ABSOLUTELY
NO COST whatsoever. You also have rights to the source code [the basic make-up
of the program] which should be included with the program. You are free to mod-
ify the program and to port it to different systems, provided all derivative
works fall under this license. If you modify the source for distribution, then
the original author must be made aware of this by sending a copy of the source
code of the modified version to him. If you plan on distributing this or a
derivative for a cost, then the author shall recieve the total sum of one (1)
dollar U.S. for each unit sold, and as mentioned before, the source code will
be available under the CrapWare license to each individual who recieves a copy
of the program.
THERE IS NO WARRANTY IMPLIED OR EXPRESSED OR EVEN AVAILABLE IN REGARDS TO THE
PROGRAM. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. THERE IS NO FUNCTIONALITY GUARANTEED NOR HINTED
AT IN THE RELEASE OF THIS PROGRAM. If you recieve a derivative version of this
software from a source other than that of the original author and do not reci-
eve the source code, contact the author of the derivative work and request a
copy.
Conditions of revocation of licensing:
1: Distribution of this code or derivative works without the source code
2: Useage of the program for purposes of mind control, thought control, or
any control of any species of the animal kingdom
3: Useage of this program in application orally,vaginally,or anally. This is
a topical program only.
4: Useage of this program for the sales, production, or distribution of
narcotics, barbituates, hallucinogens, or other things which may make the
author get jail time.
5: Useage of this program for the sexual molestation of farm animals and/or
wildlife.
6: Useage of this program while listening to the Carpenters on a Tuesday of
any month which contains more than thirty (30) days.
7: Useage of this program while operating heavy machinery unless approved by
a physician.
This program is exportable freely under the conditions of export restrictions
in the United States of America and of Antarctica. By compiling and executing
this program you signify your acceptance of these terms.
NOW enjoy your time with fine print (:
Lucky in many ways. In my tech support days [may their record be blotted from
the Earth], we had the standard cube-village with lots of noise. Relief came
from people throwing things at each other, and the occasional blood-curdling
scream coming from someone just getting off a call with an utter idiot.
One day, management decided to pipe some happy-happy shit^H^H^H^Hmusic
through the PA system. This went on all day, until they discovered our plans
to steal ladders and rip the speakers out of the ceiling. Only 3 or 4 people
actually enjoyed this; the rest of us [death metal fans, heavy metal fans,
classical fans, and other non-happy shit genre listeners] wanted to kill.
My God, how can anyone who's seen Redneck Zombies not rate that #1? That
has to have been the dumbest movie [if you can call some guy running around
with a video camera a movie] in existance. Apart from bad acting, 0 special
effects budgeting, and a ludicrous screen-saver looking "acid trip", there
wasn't anything redeemable about the movie.
Catchy jingle for Linux: "Penguin Attack", off Carnival of Chaos by GWAR (:
Just remember one thing: How long did it take MS to create an end-user based
operating system? Windows 3.1 was the first time Microsoft made an end user
interface anyone could use, and it still lacked many fundamental design
intricasies that were necessary. 95 was their first real success; before 3.1,
the personal computer wasn't the "toy" for the masses it is now. Linus'
figures are extremely accurate [in my eye] concerning the end-user market
usability.
The current situation with X reminds me of the early days of Windows 2.0,
where Microsoft's advertisements blatantly say "It'll help you get ready
for OS/2!"
Ok, I wasn't planning on responding in this thread because I felt all bases
were covered. I have no links of this, but if memory serves [as far as the
time, not what was said...I remember that] there was a conference in Toronto
CA a few years ago [I'm thinking 96'ish] where they had a discussion about
smart cards and these kinds of devices. The subject was brought up to the
same folks you're hearing about now [the folks that are alledgedly developing
Digital Angel] that the smart cards could be stolen, and their suggestion was
this: an implant, which could be placed in the areas of the body which are
both convenient to access and provide the greatest identification: the
right hand [vein structure] and, if the subject had no right hand, the
forehead [browbone and retinas].
Some companies and corporations swear by Novell, mostly because it's what they
know. Novell works [for the most part], and for many companies the cost of
migrating 100% over to another solution would cost them far more than just the
software installs. For many years, Novell was the leader for the low-to-mid
network end just because it was cheaper for them to throw down a Novell setup
with standard *DOS, and hire a CNE for about the same MCSEs are going for
these days, rather than pay for a UNIX and everything go for at leasttwice as
much [administration and software, costwise. UNIX admins have, for the most
part, been the high $$ ones]. Now, Novell's so highly ingrained in some places
that it's practically irremovable [if such a word exists].
Atop Gamera and Mozilla, there's also the Chimera web browser, the Chimera
web server [written in Java], and for Inferno and Plan9, there's the Mothra
web browser.
Appearing tomorrow:
Immediately following posting on slashdot.org of the statistic of
approximately 87 million hosts being connected to the internet, the
statistics increased jumped to 186 trillion hosts. "How in the hell is
this possible," one spokesman was quoted as saying, "There aren't that
many people on this whole damn planet, and Hell! There can't be _THAT_
many addresses under IPv4!"
Logs indicate connections above and beyond the standard 255.255.255.255
range, showing such IP addresses as 1.4m.3l337.b147ch and 666.666.666.666.
Federal officers have been subsequently summoned to investigate whether or
not this is actualy a function of a new Distributed Denial of Service
[DDoS] such as the one that struck Yahoo! and other major sites recently.
This phenomenon is being classed as a new variant of well-known Trinoo and
TFN, labelled curiously "Slashdot Effect".
$ ls -l /usr/local /usr/local -> /opt/
/usr/local]. Some people just keep it simple by creating an /opt partition and symlinking /usr/local to /opt.
/home to /u, since older software configurations use that [Minix uses /usr as the base of the /home directories]. When I'm dealing with a shell that doesn't readily have tab completion on a system, it's faster to type /opt or /u than /usr/local or /home (:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jul 19 22:34
There's quite a bit of software that installs in both locations [/opt and
There's also some argument for creating a symlink from
I seem to remember this design as a water tower cooling unit for an older Trane(tm) model industrial/commercial air conditioner. Add on some louvers on all four sides and the constant scream of about 12 fans, and probably add about 30 feet in all for directions and I bet that sucker could cool down a dual-cooled condenser coil in a matter of minutes [without the plexiglas... I mean, come ON! That's just WRONG!]
Seems they did a pretty good job on the image, but there's a few things that say that it's fake.
I've got the perfect person for the role! I'm surprised nobody's thought of this yet...want conspiracies? Try Rev. Ivan Stang of the Church of the SubGenius! Bring up 5000 more absolutely bizarre and impossible conspiracies linked directly with humans having sexual relations with aliens! Praise "Bob"!
The refresh rate change was done already by the Hellraiser family of viruses. This program would reproduce quickly, and cause the monitor to cycle its refresh rates until the monitor smoked. There was a variant a few years ago that combined its normal principal with a time bomb; theoretically, that's why many of the newer monitors have some mechanism enabled to prompt you for changes of refresh rate.
That's the odd thing about fvwm...fvwm itself has about the same memory footprint on my system
as twm, but fvwm2 is much more a resource. I switch back and forth between twm and xfce typically,
but then again, I play around with others. twm and xfce have been the only ones that I stick with,
as most of the others are larger and less manageable.
twm reminds me of some of the embedded devices and kiosks I've run across over the past 15 years (:
I kinda know the feeling [in a not-so-drastic way]...I grew up in a small town that had just gotten past the point where everyone knew everyone and outsiders were moving in. Ok, fine. I watched it turn into "model Suburbia", where the houses that were sold around '81-'86 for less than $50k now sell for almost $150K, and the newer houses are in the range of $300K to $1M. The entire area is corporatized...it's no longer the place I grew up in. So, what did I do? I took the first jump out into the country.
I know I feel a hell of a lot better now that I'm back outside of the rush.
The reason for the lower gas prices: bulk purchase, plus membership in OPEC.
That's the big secret; in large scale purchasing and selling, the US has a
lot of weight to throw around OPEC.
Whoa! Easy there...if you didn't know it, I'll fill you in: books as text files have been available over the net ["pirated" by folks that either OCR them or use other means] since TymNet was one of the biggest of the bigwigs. Why didn't this destroy the publishing industry? Simple: people prefer hard copies. That's the reason why the "e-books", or whatever they call them, have thusfar been doomed to failure.
In similar respects, this is what will eventually happen with music. People like to be able to take a CD with them. Yes, you can argue about CD burners and all that, but what happens when the industry creates a new portable media that digital recording via next year's crop of computers won't sound anywhere near as good, and the recorders [like the CD-Rs a few years ago] are $12K for a new one? This will happen inevitably, as will technology catch up and find us in the same situation we are today. It's been an ever-growing cycle since the invention of the phonograph, and it doesn't appear to be reaching a stopping point in the next few years.
Take some time to enter 7734 into a calculator and flip it over (: