So here is a tip. If your kid is sleep deprived because he is up late playing a game or using a tablet, then tell them to stop, failing that you take it away.
Great tip - why didn't I think of that? I've also made sure the lights are out and stay out. My daughter still won't fall asleep until her body is good and ready. After a couple of years we just decided having her lie in bed staring at the ceiling every night was silly.
I'll bet you're a morning person, aren't you? Typical of an AC. Typical morning person sanctimony. Did you know that Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and Genghis Khan were all morning people? Figures, doesn't it. Of course Euclid, Archimedes, Newton, Einstein, Gandhi and MLK were all night owls.
it's probably been a good 30 years since you were in high school. I just watched my niece graduate from a suburban US High school in a relatively affluent neighborhood - graduating in the top quintile of students. The homework load you suggest is greatly exaggerated
You can't generalize that way. Schools vary enormously from place to place. I did graduate from high school more than 30 years ago, in the same basic area, and I can tell you that my daughter in the 4th grade has a lot more homework than when I was that age. The idea seems to be "more work is better, regardless of whether is ridiculously redundant busy work". My wife and I make sure my daughter always does it, but it's a pain. She constantly complains about it nonsensical busywork. What my wife and I can't do is admit that we agree with her.
Or how about putting your kids to bed at a reasonable hour in the evening instead of 9 or 10 or 11.
Been there, done that. I can make my 9 y.o. daughter go to bed, ensure she has no electronic distractions, and that the lights are out and stay out. If she's not ready to sleep, an hour or two can go by and she'll still be awake. She has been like that for years.
The greatest fun is finding some way to force self-righteous morning people to have to work at night. If they have trouble, they'll saying that being on a late schedule is "unnatural".
Same here. My pet peeve is how morning people are often so sanctimonious about their preferred schedules, as though working at 7AM is somehow more virtuous than working at 7PM. Personally I think we should put all the morning people on the other side of the planet so they stop bothering us (bonus points if you force them to attend conference calls in the middle of their night).
The beauty of it is that they will grow up to have kids of their own and will do an even sorrier job of raising them than their parents did with them. It's like watching water flow down a drain.
So each generation has been getting worse, and this has been going on since at least the days of Ancient Greece.
I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly disrespectful and impatient of restraint.
-- Hesiod, 8th century BC
Thank God for immigration. Without it the US would be doomed. In particular the oriental immigrants seem to do well due no doubt to actually having a solid family oriented culture.
"Oriental"? Is this the 19th century?
More pointedly, you have to love those positive stereotypes. Presumably you realize that every positive stereotype is just a counterpoint to a negative stereotype. Forget the stereotyping of native born Americans. People who would cringe at the mere hint of a negative stereotype of any other nation will happily embrace the most negative stereotypes of Americans, and parrot that the only virtuous people left in America are immigrants (which kind of makes you wonder why virtuous family oriented immigrants stay here). So, given that native born Americans are trash, what about the non-"Oriental" immigrants? Do Hispanic immigrants, for example, not have a solid family oriented culture?
Never mind the fact that all the research points to kids 1-3 years old needing 12-14 hours of sleep per day.
That's nice. How about if your kid just won't sleep that long, no matter when you put them to bed? Given the handful that a two year old can be, most parents pray for their kids to sleep a lot. Never worked with my daughter. Given my flexible schedule and that my wife was able to be a stay-at-home mom then, we could and did try any schedule. The bottom line is that people differ, which simplistic recommendations often don't take into account.
Did you even read the summary? Kids are getting dumber because of social/cultural/technological/material reasons.
Actually I read the article, but had to go back to the summary to find the inaccurate characterization of the article that you cite. Perhaps sleep deprivation adversely affected the submitter's reading comprehension.
The schools are getting dumber to accommodate the kids who are getting dumber, and the problem is a downward self-propagating spiral.
That's not even in the summary - it's purely your invention. Maybe you need a good night's sleep.
Low performance crystals are about as generic as you can get - not so ARM based SoC's.
If you needed to use something like the TI ARM/DSP SoC's, you couldn't buy an equivalent in China anyway, so what does it matter?
It's the very fact that semis are not geographically constrained that means there is no reason to prefer local supply. Shipping costs are negligible, and it's not like your local fab is going to do a special run for you by next week.
There is another factor. Chinese OEMs naturally prefer Chinese parts.
you're right... and yet this should not surprise anyone. insert "country X" for "Chinese" and you'll get the same answer. in fact, i think you'll find that "company X prefers to work with parts that are sourced locally".
For chips? You're kidding (at least if you think it has to do with convenience rather than government pressure). I can believe that non-Chinese chip vendors are doing a bad job on translating their literature or having local reps (perhaps because they realize it's pointless in the face of Chinese government pressure) but there is no other reason to prefer locally made chips. It's not like you're talking about parts built specifically for your product (e.g. plastic moldings). When I pick chips for a design I often have no idea where they're built (it often takes a bit of work to even find out).
they're a profit-maximising company, just like any other profit-maximising company. if they did what you're accusing them of doing, they'd go bankrupt.... got a PRC Govt Grant or...
Yes, government handouts are an excellent way to maximize profits.
ShanghaiBill: Dumping by Allwinner makes no sense... The IP is owned by ARM (a British company) and there is no "lock-in": phone/tablet can easily switch since the software is compatible.
There's even less lock-in for commodity memory parts, yet the Japanese were dumping those parts back in the 80's. Years later they admitted that's exactly what they were doing.
ShanghaiBill: Dumping accusations are almost always BS from a competitor clamoring for protectionism and subsidies.
Do you have any evidence for such a broad statement, or are we just supposed to accept your assertion at face value?
ShanghaiBill: If the dumping was a real concern, it would be consumers that complain, rather than competitors.
WTF? Why would the consumers complain? I'm dying to hear that explanation.
ShanghaiBill: Allwinner is gaining market share because they keep their costs low, manufacture high volumes, and accept modest profit margins.
Keep their costs low? Semi fab is almost all capital costs, and the equipment costs are the same around the world. The only way to keep costs low in that situation is sweetheart loan rates and government loan guarantees.
Manufacture high volumes. Please name a digital semi fab that doesn't manufacture in enormous volumes. That's the only way you can amortize the cost of a multi-billion dollar fab.
Accept modest profit margins. Please provide a comparison between Allwinner's and their competitior's profit margins. For bonus points, please explain why you would believe the accounting statements of any Chinese company.
I, and most posters here, are fine with ARM. I do embedded stuff, so I've long forgotten how to work with Intel chips (and good riddance). The question here is why Chinese manufactured ARM processors are so much cheaper than other ARM designs. Chip fab is an insanely capital intensive business, with labor costs barely in the noise, so that doesn't explain the Chinese prices. The most likely explanation is the simplest: dumping. Just like Japan did with memories in the 80's. Of course they vociferously denied it at the time, but years later admitted to it almost matter-of-factly.
This is why the natural monopoly myth is so flawed.
This has nothing to do with natural monopolies. That applies to things like a municipal water supply, because it's utterly impractical to build multiple "competing" sets of water mains under the streets.
If and when they raise prices back up, consumers and investors won't stick around... they compete against the whole of society which at any time has numerous entrepreneurs and capital investors eager to make a buck. They will jump at any chance they see in faltering or manipulative businesses.
So sayeth simple minded economists, who ignore things like barriers to entry. Hint: semi fabs cost a lot of money. They require a lot of expertise. They cannot frictionlessly pop into and out of existence like so many hot dog stands.
That's not exactly the same thing. In the cases of consoles and cell phones they are simply shifting the cost to licensing and service plans respectively. It is a valid business strategy. Dumping is more about taking the hit long enough to drive your competitors out of business. That is simply anti-competitive.
Correction of your first sentence: it isn't even close to the same thing. Everything else is dead accurate.
I know in actual fact that the US and Canada aren't much better for tracking communications but at least the governments don't come right out and say it.
I think it's better if they do come right out and say it. Then there is no doubt that the government is suppressing freedom of speech, instead of getting mired in endless debates about whether they are or it's just a conspiracy theory.
These new advances in deep learning are more recent than 2009.
That section is about successes since 2009 - it includes stuff up through 2012.
Check out Ng's paper where a deep learning algorithm spontaneously learned to detect cats by watching a bunch of youtube videos. It's recent and it's a big step forward.
Maybe it is, and maybe it's just better publicized than other recent accomplishments. How would I know? Do you know enough about this field to really say?
I'm not criticizing Ng. Maybe he's a great teacher, a genius, and plays a great backhand. From my very cursory search he doesn't seem like he's one of the big names in this field, like the article claims. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way this article stinks of the usual Google (and Silicon Valley in general) hype. Any time Google decides to dabble in some field, it's hyped and publicized as though they practically invented it. Meanwhile people/organizations who have equal or greater expertise or experience barely rate a mention. That sort of fawning hype and publicity may be good for business, but it annoys me that people who should know better buy into it. It's not quite at the "Bill Gates invented the operating system" level yet, but it's getting there.
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So here is a tip. If your kid is sleep deprived because he is up late playing a game or using a tablet, then tell them to stop, failing that you take it away.
Great tip - why didn't I think of that? I've also made sure the lights are out and stay out. My daughter still won't fall asleep until her body is good and ready. After a couple of years we just decided having her lie in bed staring at the ceiling every night was silly.
I'll bet you're a morning person, aren't you? Typical of an AC. Typical morning person sanctimony. Did you know that Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and Genghis Khan were all morning people? Figures, doesn't it. Of course Euclid, Archimedes, Newton, Einstein, Gandhi and MLK were all night owls.
it's probably been a good 30 years since you were in high school. I just watched my niece graduate from a suburban US High school in a relatively affluent neighborhood - graduating in the top quintile of students. The homework load you suggest is greatly exaggerated
You can't generalize that way. Schools vary enormously from place to place. I did graduate from high school more than 30 years ago, in the same basic area, and I can tell you that my daughter in the 4th grade has a lot more homework than when I was that age. The idea seems to be "more work is better, regardless of whether is ridiculously redundant busy work". My wife and I make sure my daughter always does it, but it's a pain. She constantly complains about it nonsensical busywork. What my wife and I can't do is admit that we agree with her.
The artificial engine noise is only useful up to 5 or 10 mph. After that tire and wind noise are greater than engine noise.
Or how about putting your kids to bed at a reasonable hour in the evening instead of 9 or 10 or 11.
Been there, done that. I can make my 9 y.o. daughter go to bed, ensure she has no electronic distractions, and that the lights are out and stay out. If she's not ready to sleep, an hour or two can go by and she'll still be awake. She has been like that for years.
The greatest fun is finding some way to force self-righteous morning people to have to work at night. If they have trouble, they'll saying that being on a late schedule is "unnatural".
I tried my best to go to bed earlier.
Same here. My pet peeve is how morning people are often so sanctimonious about their preferred schedules, as though working at 7AM is somehow more virtuous than working at 7PM. Personally I think we should put all the morning people on the other side of the planet so they stop bothering us (bonus points if you force them to attend conference calls in the middle of their night).
The beauty of it is that they will grow up to have kids of their own and will do an even sorrier job of raising them than their parents did with them. It's like watching water flow down a drain.
So each generation has been getting worse, and this has been going on since at least the days of Ancient Greece.
I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly disrespectful and impatient of restraint.
-- Hesiod, 8th century BC
Thank God for immigration. Without it the US would be doomed. In particular the oriental immigrants seem to do well due no doubt to actually having a solid family oriented culture.
"Oriental"? Is this the 19th century?
More pointedly, you have to love those positive stereotypes. Presumably you realize that every positive stereotype is just a counterpoint to a negative stereotype. Forget the stereotyping of native born Americans. People who would cringe at the mere hint of a negative stereotype of any other nation will happily embrace the most negative stereotypes of Americans, and parrot that the only virtuous people left in America are immigrants (which kind of makes you wonder why virtuous family oriented immigrants stay here). So, given that native born Americans are trash, what about the non-"Oriental" immigrants? Do Hispanic immigrants, for example, not have a solid family oriented culture?
Never mind the fact that all the research points to kids 1-3 years old needing 12-14 hours of sleep per day.
That's nice. How about if your kid just won't sleep that long, no matter when you put them to bed? Given the handful that a two year old can be, most parents pray for their kids to sleep a lot. Never worked with my daughter. Given my flexible schedule and that my wife was able to be a stay-at-home mom then, we could and did try any schedule. The bottom line is that people differ, which simplistic recommendations often don't take into account.
Did you even read the summary? Kids are getting dumber because of social/cultural/technological/material reasons.
Actually I read the article, but had to go back to the summary to find the inaccurate characterization of the article that you cite. Perhaps sleep deprivation adversely affected the submitter's reading comprehension.
The schools are getting dumber to accommodate the kids who are getting dumber, and the problem is a downward self-propagating spiral.
That's not even in the summary - it's purely your invention. Maybe you need a good night's sleep.
Technically Austin is in Texas, although the residents there seem to think differently. :-)
(Disclosure: Currently living there.)
So do you think they're right?
There is another factor. Chinese OEMs naturally prefer Chinese parts.
you're right... and yet this should not surprise anyone. insert "country X" for "Chinese" and you'll get the same answer. in fact, i think you'll find that "company X prefers to work with parts that are sourced locally".
For chips? You're kidding (at least if you think it has to do with convenience rather than government pressure). I can believe that non-Chinese chip vendors are doing a bad job on translating their literature or having local reps (perhaps because they realize it's pointless in the face of Chinese government pressure) but there is no other reason to prefer locally made chips. It's not like you're talking about parts built specifically for your product (e.g. plastic moldings). When I pick chips for a design I often have no idea where they're built (it often takes a bit of work to even find out).
they're a profit-maximising company, just like any other profit-maximising company. if they did what you're accusing them of doing, they'd go bankrupt. ... got a PRC Govt Grant or ...
Yes, government handouts are an excellent way to maximize profits.
ShanghaiBill: Dumping by Allwinner makes no sense ... The IP is owned by ARM (a British company) and there is no "lock-in": phone/tablet can easily switch since the software is compatible.
There's even less lock-in for commodity memory parts, yet the Japanese were dumping those parts back in the 80's. Years later they admitted that's exactly what they were doing.
ShanghaiBill: Dumping accusations are almost always BS from a competitor clamoring for protectionism and subsidies.
Do you have any evidence for such a broad statement, or are we just supposed to accept your assertion at face value?
ShanghaiBill: If the dumping was a real concern, it would be consumers that complain, rather than competitors.
WTF? Why would the consumers complain? I'm dying to hear that explanation.
ShanghaiBill: Allwinner is gaining market share because they keep their costs low, manufacture high volumes, and accept modest profit margins.
Keep their costs low? Semi fab is almost all capital costs, and the equipment costs are the same around the world. The only way to keep costs low in that situation is sweetheart loan rates and government loan guarantees.
Manufacture high volumes. Please name a digital semi fab that doesn't manufacture in enormous volumes. That's the only way you can amortize the cost of a multi-billion dollar fab.
Accept modest profit margins. Please provide a comparison between Allwinner's and their competitior's profit margins. For bonus points, please explain why you would believe the accounting statements of any Chinese company.
I, and most posters here, are fine with ARM. I do embedded stuff, so I've long forgotten how to work with Intel chips (and good riddance). The question here is why Chinese manufactured ARM processors are so much cheaper than other ARM designs. Chip fab is an insanely capital intensive business, with labor costs barely in the noise, so that doesn't explain the Chinese prices. The most likely explanation is the simplest: dumping. Just like Japan did with memories in the 80's. Of course they vociferously denied it at the time, but years later admitted to it almost matter-of-factly.
Texas. Technically that is in the US although the residents there seem to think differently.
No conflict there - residents outside of Texas agree.
People discount "Chinese hacking" stories, but I do remember how the US solar industry got utterly destroyed.
Don't forget Nortel too.
This is why the natural monopoly myth is so flawed.
This has nothing to do with natural monopolies. That applies to things like a municipal water supply, because it's utterly impractical to build multiple "competing" sets of water mains under the streets.
If and when they raise prices back up, consumers and investors won't stick around ... they compete against the whole of society which at any time has numerous entrepreneurs and capital investors eager to make a buck. They will jump at any chance they see in faltering or manipulative businesses.
So sayeth simple minded economists, who ignore things like barriers to entry. Hint: semi fabs cost a lot of money. They require a lot of expertise. They cannot frictionlessly pop into and out of existence like so many hot dog stands.
That's not exactly the same thing. In the cases of consoles and cell phones they are simply shifting the cost to licensing and service plans respectively. It is a valid business strategy. Dumping is more about taking the hit long enough to drive your competitors out of business. That is simply anti-competitive.
Correction of your first sentence: it isn't even close to the same thing. Everything else is dead accurate.
oil independence seems lost on people in DC
Not at all. Given some of TPTB there, they consider independence a bad idea.
Apparently you didn't even take your own argument seriously enough to maintain a straight face.
My, aren't we solemn. If making a joke invalidates all serious points, then I've never made a serious point in my life.
U.S. Marshall ... does not believe in conspiracy theories. But is pissed at the direction this government is going.
The Bill of Rights. How quaintly old school. What nonsense did they teach about that back when he was in school?
I know in actual fact that the US and Canada aren't much better for tracking communications but at least the governments don't come right out and say it.
I think it's better if they do come right out and say it. Then there is no doubt that the government is suppressing freedom of speech, instead of getting mired in endless debates about whether they are or it's just a conspiracy theory.
Thanks to everyone above for their thoughtful and intelligent answers to my "what's new about it" question. Definitely some interesting reading.
P.S. Due to the aforementioned behavior, you're now all banned from Slashdot :)
These new advances in deep learning are more recent than 2009.
That section is about successes since 2009 - it includes stuff up through 2012.
Check out Ng's paper where a deep learning algorithm spontaneously learned to detect cats by watching a bunch of youtube videos. It's recent and it's a big step forward.
Maybe it is, and maybe it's just better publicized than other recent accomplishments. How would I know? Do you know enough about this field to really say?
I'm not criticizing Ng. Maybe he's a great teacher, a genius, and plays a great backhand. From my very cursory search he doesn't seem like he's one of the big names in this field, like the article claims. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way this article stinks of the usual Google (and Silicon Valley in general) hype. Any time Google decides to dabble in some field, it's hyped and publicized as though they practically invented it. Meanwhile people/organizations who have equal or greater expertise or experience barely rate a mention. That sort of fawning hype and publicity may be good for business, but it annoys me that people who should know better buy into it. It's not quite at the "Bill Gates invented the operating system" level yet, but it's getting there.