I'm really curious what other US citizen could directly and provably lie to congress, and not be arrested and indited for it
It's not a crime unless you're under oath. I'm not sure who took an oath and who didn't, but congress has a cute habit of not requiring "important" people to testify under oath. Peons are another story.
These days I compile everything with both clang and gcc, and I fix all the warnings
I do the same thing when I have the pleasure of using gcc. One of the things I like about it is the quality of the warnings. Other compilers I have to use, typically proprietary compilers for embedded work, are not so good.
If you have warnings you are doing something wrong, period.
Then they should be errors. Yes, I know about -Werror on gcc but the problem is that there is no standard for warnings. What's clean on one compiler gives warnings on another, and vice versa.
The real bottom line is that if you want to do that level of anal retentive checking (and I'm a big fan of it) then you shouldn't be using C/C++. Try a language that was designed from the ground up for strong static checking, like Ada. I know you usually don't have that choice, but the point is that the language itself is the root of the problem.
BTW, in Ada if you really need to do something that would normally give you an error, you usually can but you have to mark it with a pragma or use a library function that includes "unsafe" as part of its name. That's a pretty clear indication that you should triple check that part of the code. You can also setup compiler switches or just grep to find all the unsafe stuff.
You should put a high warning level and pragmas for the compiler you use to DEVELOP, so that you can see well every new warning and decide if you want to change your code or shut up the compiler.
That's fine if you use gcc or clang, because they do a good job of analyzing the code to decide if a warning is warranted. I like to use -Wall, and sometimes a few others. It's a whole different story if you use proprietary compilers for embedded work, many of which spit out warnings for no reason or fail to spit out warning when they should.
That's the biggest complaint you have about Fortran, some minor syntactic detail? If that's it's biggest problem, then Fortran must be the greatest language ever created.
I used to try to do that, but there are several problems. First, it's non-portable as hell. Second, have you ever tried turning on all the warning options in gcc (and some other compilers)? I'm not sure it's possible to write 10 lines of code that won't generate at least one warning.
Let me see if I can work around your inability to use the quote tag correctly.
You are ignoring the fact that europe regularly wiped itself out every 20-30 years. WWI and WWII were both extensions of poverty.
What do WWI and WWII have to do with 100+ years ago? The period between the Napoleonic Wars and WWI is famous for being a century of relative peace in Europe. As for "extensions of poverty", please explain how that applies to WWI. The causes of that war have been debated endlessly, but "extensions of poverty" is a new one.
I was being quite broad in my list of wars.
Yes, listing wars that have no conceivable bearing on what you're talking about is being "quite broad".
And again you consider yourself a "historian"?
No - nor did I ever imply I was. If I was an historian, then I would have a serious advantage in this debate. The sad thing is that I need no such advantage.
Ah but you wanted to imply that min wage was how our great country ended up where it is.
No, you made an inference without an implication. "You wanted to imply" is a ludicrous statement. How do you know what I wanted? Do you claim to be able to read minds?
For 'import' remember there are more than just federal taxes involved.
As there are for domestic cars. However, all tariffs are federal taxes. You were the one who was talking specifically about tariffs, so why are you changing the subject to include all taxes?
Yeah it wasnt like the 4 major areas were not still stinging from a world war or anything.
Let's imagine this was a reading test. Explain the following sentence: "The same was true in the 50's and 60's, but the 100+ year ago example proves that it wasn't just a post-WWII fluke."
Yeah if you ignore The french revolution, Napoleon, and WWI, and the English trying to force down rebellion across most of their colonies.
You should also work on your history. The French Revolution preceded the Napoleonic Wars, which ended in 1815. If those wars led to bad economic conditions in Europe almost 100 years after they ended, then please explain why the Civil War, which ended 50 years after the Napoleonic Wars, didn't have a similar effect on the American economy. Also, last I checked, WWI started in August 1914. Do the arithmetic. Here's a clue: it's December 2013. As for the English (British actually) "trying to force down rebellion across most of their colonies", that's the cost of having an empire, but the net effect was positive for the British economy. If it wasn't, they would have simply abandoned the empire. Not to defend imperialism, but those are the economic facts. Lastly, if you knew anything about the British Empire, you'd know that one of the most surprising things about it was that it was run on a shoestring budget.
Also if you ignore the major cause of those wars was 'no jobs' and poverty due to heavy taxes and heavy manipulation of their currencies...
Please do enlighten historians with your novel views of the causes of the Napoleonic Wars and WWI. The only shred of truth (perhaps inadvertent) in what you say is related to taxes on French peasants - which were due to the aristocracy being exempted.
Until 1940 there was *no* min wage in the US.
What an important factoid! Which doesn't change what I said about American industrial wages 100+ years ago.
I have bought foreign cars. There are steep tariffs on those cars. Usually as much as 5-20% of the car cost.
5-20%? Do you actually believe the numbers you make up? The tariff on imported cars is 2.5%.
If they don't want a particular benefit, whether in general or just Denmark's particular implementation of it, the American can choose to save the money or find an alternate benefit more to his or her liking, while the Danish citizen has no choice but to pay the tax and accept whatever benefits the state chooses to provide.
Ah, the old "freedom of choice" argument. For example, Americans are free to get medical care or insurance that they can't afford, or to be in debt for the rest of their lives to get a college education. Now that's freedom!
I recall the Bill of Rights listing many important freedoms, but I don't recall the "right to get screwed" being in there.
China's rapid economic growth the in the last 20 years has done more to improve the quality of life and reduce worldwide inequality than just about any economic development program
Of course that would be even more true if China had greater domestic consumption, rather than taking the mercantilist approach. And that mercantilism is almost always what Americans are complaining about. I don't know anyone opposed to higher GDP/capita or better standards of living in China.
For a large variety of reasons that have already been explained here, making this mandatory is an idiotic idea. What about making it part of a rating or validation though? Such things are generally voluntary except for safety critical applications.
I want to hear this one. I love foreign idioms and their literal translations (presumably English idioms are also funny in their literal translations). German seems particularly colorful. I like "I have seen the horse vomit."
if they are trying to get all logistics moved to Poland or Hungary then they are doing the right thing
Poland or Hungary? Try Alabama or South Carolina. The labor isn't quite as cheap as Eastern Europe, but shipping costs to the US market are less. That's right folks, to Daimler-Benz and BMW the US is a cheap labor country.
Naturally some clever soul will say that if it wasn't for the cheaper labor in the US, we wouldn't have those jobs at all. Bull. The US is an important enough market that we could twist arms to get a lot of the work done here. That's how Japanese car plants originally got here.
Aren't you proud of America for having an approach that makes us a cheap labor country? Naturally some other clever soul will wax nostalgic for a past golden age, and say that's what made American industry great. Bull - the only place that golden age ever existed is in ideologues heads. 100+ years ago the US was well known for having much higher labor rates than Europe, and it doesn't seem like we did so badly. The same was true in the 50's and 60's, but the 100+ year ago example proves that it wasn't just a post-WWII fluke.
You can either get your workforce to be productive through poverty as in the US, or you can get your workforce to be productive by eliminating unproductive jobs. The latter is what Europe wants to do.
You're stealing a page from our playbook. What a shame we abandoned it 30 years ago. BTW, keep using it - it works very well.
P.S. I just realized "stealing a page from our playbook" is an American idiom that may not translate well. Oddly, I couldn't find a definition on the Internet, but roughly it means using an idea or approach that the other team or group used first.
What's the difference? Any type of mechanical multi-speed transmission is a kluge. You don't find them in trains, planes, ships, power stations, etc. On the road? Get a Tesla.
Where I work you have to bring your own baseball bat, yet everybody still uses them. I think it's only decent to make an accountant happy about a cost saving measure like that, just before you splatter his brains around the room.
Not even close. Admittedly if Linus wasn't the Linux kernel's BDFL, he'd have to learn some social and teamwork skills. I think Linus is an opinionated loudmouth, but nothing like de Raadt. He attacks people for screwing up, and doesn't tolerate other opinions well, but he doesn't engage in vindictive personal attacks. That's a big difference.
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I'm really curious what other US citizen could directly and provably lie to congress, and not be arrested and indited for it
It's not a crime unless you're under oath. I'm not sure who took an oath and who didn't, but congress has a cute habit of not requiring "important" people to testify under oath. Peons are another story.
These days I compile everything with both clang and gcc, and I fix all the warnings
I do the same thing when I have the pleasure of using gcc. One of the things I like about it is the quality of the warnings. Other compilers I have to use, typically proprietary compilers for embedded work, are not so good.
If you have warnings you are doing something wrong, period.
Then they should be errors. Yes, I know about -Werror on gcc but the problem is that there is no standard for warnings. What's clean on one compiler gives warnings on another, and vice versa.
The real bottom line is that if you want to do that level of anal retentive checking (and I'm a big fan of it) then you shouldn't be using C/C++. Try a language that was designed from the ground up for strong static checking, like Ada. I know you usually don't have that choice, but the point is that the language itself is the root of the problem.
BTW, in Ada if you really need to do something that would normally give you an error, you usually can but you have to mark it with a pragma or use a library function that includes "unsafe" as part of its name. That's a pretty clear indication that you should triple check that part of the code. You can also setup compiler switches or just grep to find all the unsafe stuff.
You should put a high warning level and pragmas for the compiler you use to DEVELOP, so that you can see well every new warning and decide if you want to change your code or shut up the compiler.
That's fine if you use gcc or clang, because they do a good job of analyzing the code to decide if a warning is warranted. I like to use -Wall, and sometimes a few others. It's a whole different story if you use proprietary compilers for embedded work, many of which spit out warnings for no reason or fail to spit out warning when they should.
That's the biggest complaint you have about Fortran, some minor syntactic detail? If that's it's biggest problem, then Fortran must be the greatest language ever created.
I used to try to do that, but there are several problems. First, it's non-portable as hell. Second, have you ever tried turning on all the warning options in gcc (and some other compilers)? I'm not sure it's possible to write 10 lines of code that won't generate at least one warning.
My German uncle can cuss for a hour without repeating himself.
Big deal. A typical New Yorker can curse for an entire day without repeating himself, though it would be much shorter if he only used English.
Split the difference, so 35 hrs/wk. That's 3 hrs/wk more, although he does have a roundabout way of making that point.
Let me see if I can work around your inability to use the quote tag correctly.
You are ignoring the fact that europe regularly wiped itself out every 20-30 years. WWI and WWII were both extensions of poverty.
What do WWI and WWII have to do with 100+ years ago? The period between the Napoleonic Wars and WWI is famous for being a century of relative peace in Europe. As for "extensions of poverty", please explain how that applies to WWI. The causes of that war have been debated endlessly, but "extensions of poverty" is a new one.
I was being quite broad in my list of wars.
Yes, listing wars that have no conceivable bearing on what you're talking about is being "quite broad".
And again you consider yourself a "historian"?
No - nor did I ever imply I was. If I was an historian, then I would have a serious advantage in this debate. The sad thing is that I need no such advantage.
Ah but you wanted to imply that min wage was how our great country ended up where it is.
No, you made an inference without an implication. "You wanted to imply" is a ludicrous statement. How do you know what I wanted? Do you claim to be able to read minds?
For 'import' remember there are more than just federal taxes involved.
As there are for domestic cars. However, all tariffs are federal taxes. You were the one who was talking specifically about tariffs, so why are you changing the subject to include all taxes?
I get that seeing horses vomit is seeing the impossible because horses can't vomit, but where does the pharmacy come in?
Yeah it wasnt like the 4 major areas were not still stinging from a world war or anything.
Let's imagine this was a reading test. Explain the following sentence: "The same was true in the 50's and 60's, but the 100+ year ago example proves that it wasn't just a post-WWII fluke."
Yeah if you ignore The french revolution, Napoleon, and WWI, and the English trying to force down rebellion across most of their colonies.
You should also work on your history. The French Revolution preceded the Napoleonic Wars, which ended in 1815. If those wars led to bad economic conditions in Europe almost 100 years after they ended, then please explain why the Civil War, which ended 50 years after the Napoleonic Wars, didn't have a similar effect on the American economy. Also, last I checked, WWI started in August 1914. Do the arithmetic. Here's a clue: it's December 2013. As for the English (British actually) "trying to force down rebellion across most of their colonies", that's the cost of having an empire, but the net effect was positive for the British economy. If it wasn't, they would have simply abandoned the empire. Not to defend imperialism, but those are the economic facts. Lastly, if you knew anything about the British Empire, you'd know that one of the most surprising things about it was that it was run on a shoestring budget.
Also if you ignore the major cause of those wars was 'no jobs' and poverty due to heavy taxes and heavy manipulation of their currencies...
Please do enlighten historians with your novel views of the causes of the Napoleonic Wars and WWI. The only shred of truth (perhaps inadvertent) in what you say is related to taxes on French peasants - which were due to the aristocracy being exempted.
Until 1940 there was *no* min wage in the US.
What an important factoid! Which doesn't change what I said about American industrial wages 100+ years ago.
I have bought foreign cars. There are steep tariffs on those cars. Usually as much as 5-20% of the car cost.
5-20%? Do you actually believe the numbers you make up? The tariff on imported cars is 2.5%.
If they don't want a particular benefit, whether in general or just Denmark's particular implementation of it, the American can choose to save the money or find an alternate benefit more to his or her liking, while the Danish citizen has no choice but to pay the tax and accept whatever benefits the state chooses to provide.
Ah, the old "freedom of choice" argument. For example, Americans are free to get medical care or insurance that they can't afford, or to be in debt for the rest of their lives to get a college education. Now that's freedom!
I recall the Bill of Rights listing many important freedoms, but I don't recall the "right to get screwed" being in there.
If you're smoking something, it needs to be legalized.
Alternative explanation: this time Rip van Winkle fell asleep for 50 years.
China's rapid economic growth the in the last 20 years has done more to improve the quality of life and reduce worldwide inequality than just about any economic development program
Of course that would be even more true if China had greater domestic consumption, rather than taking the mercantilist approach. And that mercantilism is almost always what Americans are complaining about. I don't know anyone opposed to higher GDP/capita or better standards of living in China.
For a large variety of reasons that have already been explained here, making this mandatory is an idiotic idea. What about making it part of a rating or validation though? Such things are generally voluntary except for safety critical applications.
Misread the title as "Amazon Women Strike Germany as Christmas Orders Peak"
I made the same mistake. I'm glad you corrected me though - I was already ordering airline tickets to Berlin.
I want to hear this one. I love foreign idioms and their literal translations (presumably English idioms are also funny in their literal translations). German seems particularly colorful. I like "I have seen the horse vomit."
Unten Gleben Glauben Globen
It doesn't have the same ring in German. Why not try one of their more colorful phrases, like "I have seen the horse vomit."
Bundesagentur für Arbeit
I think I know what you're talking about, but a little translation wouldn't hurt.
if they are trying to get all logistics moved to Poland or Hungary then they are doing the right thing
Poland or Hungary? Try Alabama or South Carolina. The labor isn't quite as cheap as Eastern Europe, but shipping costs to the US market are less. That's right folks, to Daimler-Benz and BMW the US is a cheap labor country.
Naturally some clever soul will say that if it wasn't for the cheaper labor in the US, we wouldn't have those jobs at all. Bull. The US is an important enough market that we could twist arms to get a lot of the work done here. That's how Japanese car plants originally got here.
Aren't you proud of America for having an approach that makes us a cheap labor country? Naturally some other clever soul will wax nostalgic for a past golden age, and say that's what made American industry great. Bull - the only place that golden age ever existed is in ideologues heads. 100+ years ago the US was well known for having much higher labor rates than Europe, and it doesn't seem like we did so badly. The same was true in the 50's and 60's, but the 100+ year ago example proves that it wasn't just a post-WWII fluke.
You can either get your workforce to be productive through poverty as in the US, or you can get your workforce to be productive by eliminating unproductive jobs. The latter is what Europe wants to do.
You're stealing a page from our playbook. What a shame we abandoned it 30 years ago. BTW, keep using it - it works very well.
P.S. I just realized "stealing a page from our playbook" is an American idiom that may not translate well. Oddly, I couldn't find a definition on the Internet, but roughly it means using an idea or approach that the other team or group used first.
automatic transmissions, flappy-paddle gear changers
What's the difference? Any type of mechanical multi-speed transmission is a kluge. You don't find them in trains, planes, ships, power stations, etc. On the road? Get a Tesla.
Given how automated flying is these days, I don't think it's necessary for the pilot to see at all.
P.S. I say that only half in jest. Aren't you supposed to be able to land blind under IFR?
Where I work you have to bring your own baseball bat, yet everybody still uses them. I think it's only decent to make an accountant happy about a cost saving measure like that, just before you splatter his brains around the room.
I'm pretty sure that most tech involving sound waves is not developed in space.
Why? Sound waves propagate just fine through solids.
Same breed as Linus, it appears then.
Not even close. Admittedly if Linus wasn't the Linux kernel's BDFL, he'd have to learn some social and teamwork skills. I think Linus is an opinionated loudmouth, but nothing like de Raadt. He attacks people for screwing up, and doesn't tolerate other opinions well, but he doesn't engage in vindictive personal attacks. That's a big difference.