Actually, I think the punishment should be more harsh. I think they should publically execute the spammer. If they started doing that I think people might think twice before spamming.
Slashdotters are some of the most negative people on the planet. That's because nearly everyone on/. thinks he is a generalized critic with some profound insight that others need to hear.
The bounty page says that they are trying to achieve integration between key components of the linux desktop. Evolution, OpenOffice.org, and gaim, are a few key components of the linux desktop. You may choose not to use them, but that doesn't make the statement false.
And since when did hackers need money to hack?
Hackers don't necessarily need money in order to hack. You miss the point of this contest. The point is, it's a win-win situation. If you are a hacker and could use some extra money, now you have some extra motivation to grab a task and work on it. And it's a win for Novell, who I hear donated the funding for this. So my question is, why are you so negative?
And where does this leaves the previous claims of GNOME being "integrated"?
There is always room for improvement, wouldn't you say?
Why can't those making the money, i.e. Ximian / Novell / SUN do the work for their profits?
They do. But now those outside Novell, etc. have a chance to make some money and contribute to our favourite desktop.
Don't worry about what anyone says. The reason Gnome was chosen was because of Helixcode, pure and simple. Sun and the rest are businesses and as we all ought to know, business deals with business. If Trolltech were producing a commercial KDE, you would have seen something very different happening.
GNOME was chosen for much, much more important reasons, my friend. Companies such as Sun, IBM, Red Hat, Novell have large enterprise costumers. A desktop with poor usability, ABI compatibility, accessibility, and hacks such as fake drop shadows and fake transparent menus won't cut it. GNOME had the right combination of licensing, adherence to strong usability principles, commitment to ABI-compatibility, award winning accessibility framework, and a platform that is written by people who are committed to "getting it right." You'll see transparent menus and such in GNOME when it's done right--and that work has already begun. People complained about the file selector for ages, and yes, it needed replacing, but the hundred different attempt to rectify it were rejected by the core developers because of various problems in the design. In GNOME 2.6 you'll see the new file selector designed by Owen and Federico, if I'm not mistaken, and it looks strong. So to make a long story short, if you actually talk with the people at these companies who have chosen GNOME as the de facto open source desktop for the enterprise, you'll see that the fact that Ximian supported GNOME has precious little to do with it when there were much larger factors.
Check Miguels assessment of what this means for non-Microsoft desktop Operating Systems. Then check his "solution" to this.
His solution is to bring what is unique to Linux and open source to the managed world. Your problem with this, is? Personally I'm really excited about it. With things like Evolution, GStreamer, Gtk+, GNOME being brought to the managed world, a new set of opportunities is available for the Linux developer. The point is that Mono isn't just a.NET clone. It's not about cloning Longhorn. It's about giving us a great language (C#), the managed world, an outstanding set of API's that go above and beyond what Microsoft provides, and bring the already outstanding applications and frameworks developed by the open source community to the managed world. This is an opportunity, as Miguel points out, for us to really shine, to really innovate.
I work for St. Louis' largest employer where we have Novell products all throughout our enterprise including NetWare services, Groupwise, exteNd, and the list goes on. Novell products are popular at educational institutions; half the highschools I've visited here in town use Novell products.
Ximian Desktop will not be "phased out". Novell is releasing their first Novell release of XD in June and Novell's newly acquired distribution will run Ximian Desktop, Evolution (which you'll see merge with Groupwise in all sorts of interesting ways), Red Carpet (or whatever Novell ends up calling it), Mono, etc. Novell just set up an office in India where they are transitioning 40 developers to work exclusively on GNOME, Mono, Open Office (integrate with GNOME better), and Mozilla.
You cannot "undo" the code, though. You can fork it and release undera different license, but the gpl code will live on, forever, in GNOME CVS and people will keep hacking on it. Evolution will remain free, anyway, trust me. Or don't take my word for it, and just wait and see.
Novell is not dropping GNOME support. Period. This is an insane notion. They recently acquired Ximian specificially for the GNOME and open source expertise, as well as for their products like Evolution, Red Carpet, Open Office Ximian Edition (strong GNOME integration), and Mono. Novell has set up a team of 40 developers in India to work on GNOME, Mozilla, Open Office, and Mono. Novell is releasing the next version of Ximian Desktop in June. Novell now has a Linux distribution to work these products into and even more strong open source and Linux expertise. It's fairly clear where this is going. I do agree, however, that it will be interesting to watch it play out and it'll be very interesting to see what role, if any, KDE has in Novell's plans. Personally I like the idea that Novell will fold the KDE expertise and GNOME expertise together. It's crazy, but appealing.
You are sorely mistaken. Novell will release the next Ximian Desktop in June. They just put together a new team in India where they are training a horde of new GNOME developers. They are strongly committed to the Linux desktop. Some articles for you to read:
Novell didn't spend $40 million on Ximian for Connector alone. And they aren't training 40 new developers to work on Open Office, Mozilla, GNOME, and Mono just so they have a client to connect to their server products.
Novell is out there, believe me. I work for St. Louis' largest employer and we use Novell products such as groupwise, NetWare, exteNd, etc. across our entire enterprise. That's just one example.
Actually it is a fact. There are situations where web services make no sense but Remoting does exactly what you need. As for your statement about locking into a single OS vendor (which is completely orthogonal to the point), that is simply untrue. I've written several applications which use.NET Remoting and they all run great on my Linux box using Mono.
Dude, it's the exact opposite. Companies are moving their software to Mono on Linux. Developers are taking a fresh look at the Linux/Mono platform where they previously ignored it. A couple colleagues of mine actually installed Linux just because they wanted to try out Mono. The new breed of C# and ASP.NET developers now have alternative platforms to Windows in which to develop their applications. And believe me, they are interested.
You are missing the point because apparently you are so hell-bent on bashing Microsoft that you can't see the bigger picture. It doesn't matter if Microsoft changes the API or attempts to thwart Mono's attempts to remain compatible. The real advantage of Mono is that it is an absolutely kick ass platform for development. I like it better than Microsoft's.NET. It blows Java away. And Mono is open.
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TurboTax claims to have a web-based application.
...that I have a perfect memory?
Actually, I think the punishment should be more harsh. I think they should publically execute the spammer. If they started doing that I think people might think twice before spamming.
Slashdotters are some of the most negative people on the planet. That's because nearly everyone on /. thinks he is a generalized critic with some profound insight that others need to hear.
The new file selector for GNOME 2.6 is already being worked on by Federico and others.
The bounty page says that they are trying to achieve integration between key components of the linux desktop. Evolution, OpenOffice.org, and gaim, are a few key components of the linux desktop. You may choose not to use them, but that doesn't make the statement false.
And since when did hackers need money to hack?
Hackers don't necessarily need money in order to hack. You miss the point of this contest. The point is, it's a win-win situation. If you are a hacker and could use some extra money, now you have some extra motivation to grab a task and work on it. And it's a win for Novell, who I hear donated the funding for this. So my question is, why are you so negative?
And where does this leaves the previous claims of GNOME being "integrated"?
There is always room for improvement, wouldn't you say?
Why can't those making the money, i.e. Ximian / Novell / SUN do the work for their profits?
They do. But now those outside Novell, etc. have a chance to make some money and contribute to our favourite desktop.
GNOME was chosen for much, much more important reasons, my friend. Companies such as Sun, IBM, Red Hat, Novell have large enterprise costumers. A desktop with poor usability, ABI compatibility, accessibility, and hacks such as fake drop shadows and fake transparent menus won't cut it. GNOME had the right combination of licensing, adherence to strong usability principles, commitment to ABI-compatibility, award winning accessibility framework, and a platform that is written by people who are committed to "getting it right." You'll see transparent menus and such in GNOME when it's done right--and that work has already begun. People complained about the file selector for ages, and yes, it needed replacing, but the hundred different attempt to rectify it were rejected by the core developers because of various problems in the design. In GNOME 2.6 you'll see the new file selector designed by Owen and Federico, if I'm not mistaken, and it looks strong. So to make a long story short, if you actually talk with the people at these companies who have chosen GNOME as the de facto open source desktop for the enterprise, you'll see that the fact that Ximian supported GNOME has precious little to do with it when there were much larger factors.
His solution is to bring what is unique to Linux and open source to the managed world. Your problem with this, is? Personally I'm really excited about it. With things like Evolution, GStreamer, Gtk+, GNOME being brought to the managed world, a new set of opportunities is available for the Linux developer. The point is that Mono isn't just a .NET clone. It's not about cloning Longhorn. It's about giving us a great language (C#), the managed world, an outstanding set of API's that go above and beyond what Microsoft provides, and bring the already outstanding applications and frameworks developed by the open source community to the managed world. This is an opportunity, as Miguel points out, for us to really shine, to really innovate.
I work for St. Louis' largest employer where we have Novell products all throughout our enterprise including NetWare services, Groupwise, exteNd, and the list goes on. Novell products are popular at educational institutions; half the highschools I've visited here in town use Novell products.
They did announce it, in their webcast...They said they'd continue to support KDE on SUSE and integrate Ximian GNOME.
well at least now i know you're trolling.
and which team would that be? I know it's not this one. Start downloading your new wallpapers
Ximian Desktop will not be "phased out". Novell is releasing their first Novell release of XD in June and Novell's newly acquired distribution will run Ximian Desktop, Evolution (which you'll see merge with Groupwise in all sorts of interesting ways), Red Carpet (or whatever Novell ends up calling it), Mono, etc. Novell just set up an office in India where they are transitioning 40 developers to work exclusively on GNOME, Mono, Open Office (integrate with GNOME better), and Mozilla.
You cannot "undo" the code, though. You can fork it and release undera different license, but the gpl code will live on, forever, in GNOME CVS and people will keep hacking on it. Evolution will remain free, anyway, trust me. Or don't take my word for it, and just wait and see.
Novell's new distribution will eventually run Ximian Desktop (GNOME).
Novell is not dropping GNOME support. Period. This is an insane notion. They recently acquired Ximian specificially for the GNOME and open source expertise, as well as for their products like Evolution, Red Carpet, Open Office Ximian Edition (strong GNOME integration), and Mono. Novell has set up a team of 40 developers in India to work on GNOME, Mozilla, Open Office, and Mono. Novell is releasing the next version of Ximian Desktop in June. Novell now has a Linux distribution to work these products into and even more strong open source and Linux expertise. It's fairly clear where this is going. I do agree, however, that it will be interesting to watch it play out and it'll be very interesting to see what role, if any, KDE has in Novell's plans. Personally I like the idea that Novell will fold the KDE expertise and GNOME expertise together. It's crazy, but appealing.
article on new group in India
Nat's blog entry about his visit to India
Novell didn't spend $40 million on Ximian for Connector alone. And they aren't training 40 new developers to work on Open Office, Mozilla, GNOME, and Mono just so they have a client to connect to their server products.
Novell is out there, believe me. I work for St. Louis' largest employer and we use Novell products such as groupwise, NetWare, exteNd, etc. across our entire enterprise. That's just one example.
Shouldn't it read "Antelope Hoof-sized"?
It works. You can combine Mono/Linux client with Microsoft .NET Windows Server or vice versa.
Actually it is a fact. There are situations where web services make no sense but Remoting does exactly what you need. As for your statement about locking into a single OS vendor (which is completely orthogonal to the point), that is simply untrue. I've written several applications which use .NET Remoting and they all run great on my Linux box using Mono.
Dude, it was a bit of humour. I found it funny, at least.
Dude, it's the exact opposite. Companies are moving their software to Mono on Linux. Developers are taking a fresh look at the Linux/Mono platform where they previously ignored it. A couple colleagues of mine actually installed Linux just because they wanted to try out Mono. The new breed of C# and ASP.NET developers now have alternative platforms to Windows in which to develop their applications. And believe me, they are interested.
PHP is the .NET killer? Do you even know what .NET is? That's almost like saying I think TCL should replace the Linux kernel.
You are missing the point because apparently you are so hell-bent on bashing Microsoft that you can't see the bigger picture. It doesn't matter if Microsoft changes the API or attempts to thwart Mono's attempts to remain compatible. The real advantage of Mono is that it is an absolutely kick ass platform for development. I like it better than Microsoft's .NET. It blows Java away. And Mono is open.