While I generally agree with your post, I wonder is there any throat to grab for theCEO if windows fuxors something up?
IF?
The problem is there are multiple IT related industries being "supported" by the fuxor syndrome, that is known as "windows". But its accepted, and has become expected. Yea, its very hard to sell "free", but not so hard to sell a guarantee or whathaveyou. The "free" thing does not really have a salesman or account rep.
Uh, Android, Apple, or anything with a web browser. SaaS, Cloud, etc. Not to say that works for every use case, but every use case used to be a windows pc. Plenty of work environments are using tablets (ipads) now as either replacements for pc's or supplements to them, making the pc less important. And the whole point of the article is that the demotion of the ms based pc is a pretty significant trend. Does MS go away completely? Of course not. Are they earning significant less than they would have if things were going their way? Surely. Are they the dominant player across the board that they once were?
We're talking about actively exploited critical vulnerabilities.
Fix the hole now! You can make it pretty later.
Yea, but I only do bugs once a month. On Tuesdays. I can't be bothered before then. Your problems may seem big, but I choose to do things my way, at my pace. Besides my inaction helps support a large secondary market for security appliances, IT support personnel and the like. We jeopardize an entire sector of the economy by undermining these people.
Not sure coding works on something the scale of google, but programmers are people and they go on vacation, funerals, get fired, get hired and freeshly acquainted with their jobs too.
Will Google be as supportive of this policy after the first time some major bug hits one of their more minor products and the guy who knows all about it is gone whereever hat week?
Sure they *can*. Anyone *can*. But either they have to rebuild and redeliver the app to do that, assuming the devices pull the content directly. That buys them an hour or two before someone notices. Or if its fed via ms infrastructure, then its even easier.
How is Google going to determine whether a request to Youtube is sent from this app?
Really? Presumably via request headers or other fingerprinting techniques. If they wanted to be real jerks (like remember when MS required an IE user agent string just to access microsoft.com?), they could just start disallowing this traffic now.
AWS has many options. You can deploy a single micro server for free for 1 year and stacks of technology and server resources that scale horizontally or vertically very easily. The really were the first successful "Cloud" (IaaS, PaaS) service provider and are probably the cheapest, especially if you want to get your feet wet.
I totally agree. If you at the point where you are needing / wanting node and the like, then spin up a linux image, and install whatever you want. You don't need a traditional hosting company at all. The cost of AWS is negligible in this scenrario (and free for a yr as mentioned), the benefits are great, assuming you have the wherewithal to install and play with stuff like node.
Eh? If silverlight is going away as it seems to be, it's nothing to do with a business strategy - they need to be able to continue to support their service. In addition, I expect they received a fair penny from MS to use Silverlight, and it's quite possible that the specified time on that particular contract is coming to an end.
As far as other platform support: don't look for it anytime soon no matter what tech they go with. There simply is no return on investment for them to maintain and support a service for such a small portion of their user base - especially when you consider partner agreements that are likely rather restrictive in terms of DRM requirements.
Netfix wants something closer to "platform-less". Its not about today, or "anytime soon", its about tomorrow and all those things that no one can predict what will happen. Look at what the iphone did.... changed mobile, killed flash, put a major dent in MS's plans. Nobody could have predicted that impact. Why support platforms? Support a technology that is supported by all current and future platforms. Maybe tomorrow I'll be in a driverless car, hit autopilot and watch a movie (via netflix). Maybe my TV will start to do cool stuff because Samsung created something linux based and then has TVOS. Who cares about the OS? html5 does not necessarily solve all that (yet), but its the right direction. Proprietary stuff does not survive in a truly open arena like we pretty much have.
Which means Windows and OSX.
They will not make a linux or BSD plugin, had they wanted to stream to those platforms it would have already happened.
Yea, makes a lot of sense... they are coming out with a new technology to support exactly the same platforms they already support. Great business strategy.
The great thing about Silverlight is its ability to stream content as your internet line can take it. This means Silverlight will dynamically adjust the video and audio bitrate so that even users on less-than-fast lines can stream Silverlight video content.
Any of the cloud providers are great for this. You can start with a free micro image from Amazon maybe during development phase if you have to start dirt cheap, and go up from there. Any of the cloud providers will let you scale as far as you need. That part is a no brainer.
"Thousands of users" is a little vague. Depends totally on how many of them are active at the same time and intensive is what they are doing. I would think potentially something like a small 1 gig image might handle this in the low end scenario (not everybody interacting simultaneously). That does not sound scary.
What ever development stack you are most comfortable with should work. I don't see why Java would be a bad choice. Its probably not the first choice of many.
When Microsoft gives away IE for free in order to gain market share it is bad therefore when Google gives away a complete OS for free to gain advertising market share it is bad too. QED
Wrong again! It wasn't just the "free" part (I believe the low end Netscape Navigator was also "free"). It was the fact that they bundled IE with the OS and claimed it couldn't be separated . And there were allegations that MS was strongarming OEM's with like "Don't include netscape, and you must include IE, or don't be surprised if your license fees just happen to go up".
We're not pissed with change. We're pissed at reinventing the wheel. Again.
Still sounds a little like pissin and moanin for the sake of pissin and moanin though. There quite obviously nobody here in our friendly little group that has near the credentials of Brendan Eiche for writing browser code. Sorry to all those that think they are smarter than he is, but show some creditibility first. How many languages have you guys written anyhow and how much time have you spent in the guts of a mainstream browser? I doubt you can top him.
And if no one took the time to try to make a better wheel, we'd all be doing a fred flinstone with tree trunks for axles, round rocks for wheels, and feets for brakes.
You should get out more. Sorry, I didn't have the time to read all that, but you sound like some wizened old fart who can't give up that desktop mentality, and drag it around like a boat anchor. There is a lot of good stuff going on out there, and more of it is Linux based than MS. Data centers, smartphones, tablets, wearables. And, oh yea, the internet. Linux everywhere you look these days.
http://seattletimes.com/html/microsoftpri0/2019853243_goldman_sachs_microsoft_os_has_gone_from_more_than.html
Oh well. Who decides "right", you or me? One factor in "right" tool, is who I give money to in a business situation. And "right" for me means not supporting organizations with a criminal past, an organization with a history of shitting on its partners, an organization with a long history of not only ignoring standards, but deliberately breaking them, an organization who's most successful "innovations" come from copying someone else then using their quasi-monopoly to ram it down people's throats, an organization that has actually held back innovation, an organization that laughed out loud at the iphone, an organization that is in many respects clueless and survives primarily because of legacy monopolistic crap. I prefer to support organizations, companies and people that I trust, like and hope to see prosper.
Not to say everything MS ever did was bad, but there is enough bad there, that I choose to go the other way. I am happy with my Linux desktops, my Macbook, my ipad, my Nook, my android phone. There is nothing MS has that is "right" for me. And yes, I am a tech fanboy, I love this stuff when its done "right". All the respect in the world for Apple, even though I don't agree with everything they do -- but they do push the envelope, and they do do it pretty well. And Linux? Its the people's OS. The more of us that us it, the better if will get.
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While I generally agree with your post, I wonder is there any throat to grab for theCEO if windows fuxors something up?
IF? The problem is there are multiple IT related industries being "supported" by the fuxor syndrome, that is known as "windows". But its accepted, and has become expected. Yea, its very hard to sell "free", but not so hard to sell a guarantee or whathaveyou. The "free" thing does not really have a salesman or account rep.
What else would businesses run?
Uh, Android, Apple, or anything with a web browser. SaaS, Cloud, etc. Not to say that works for every use case, but every use case used to be a windows pc. Plenty of work environments are using tablets (ipads) now as either replacements for pc's or supplements to them, making the pc less important. And the whole point of the article is that the demotion of the ms based pc is a pretty significant trend. Does MS go away completely? Of course not. Are they earning significant less than they would have if things were going their way? Surely. Are they the dominant player across the board that they once were?
I have now worked with Windows 8 now since last october, and it is working just fine for me. I have had no problem getting around the new interface.
You must be the target audience then. The rest of the planet, or most of us anyway, are not.
Correction, rules are for poor people...
Don't say that too loudly. A certain degree of illusion is necessary to maintain order.
We're talking about actively exploited critical vulnerabilities. Fix the hole now! You can make it pretty later.
Yea, but I only do bugs once a month. On Tuesdays. I can't be bothered before then. Your problems may seem big, but I choose to do things my way, at my pace. Besides my inaction helps support a large secondary market for security appliances, IT support personnel and the like. We jeopardize an entire sector of the economy by undermining these people.
Not sure coding works on something the scale of google, but programmers are people and they go on vacation, funerals, get fired, get hired and freeshly acquainted with their jobs too.
Will Google be as supportive of this policy after the first time some major bug hits one of their more minor products and the guy who knows all about it is gone whereever hat week?
Huh?
Probably the fault of Windows, or some other Microsoft product.
Cross viral contamination is always a possibility.
Stupid thing indeed, to send lawyers to make things worse for Windows Phone users who are mere pawns in Google's strategic games.
Buy a ms product and expect not to get shit on? Ah, come on! W phones should come with toilet paper.
And MS can fake those.
Sure they *can*. Anyone *can*. But either they have to rebuild and redeliver the app to do that, assuming the devices pull the content directly. That buys them an hour or two before someone notices. Or if its fed via ms infrastructure, then its even easier.
But because it's Microsoft, fuck them, right?
Sure, why not? Tis better to fuck than be fucked. And MS has done plenty of fucking already.
How is Google going to determine whether a request to Youtube is sent from this app?
Really? Presumably via request headers or other fingerprinting techniques. If they wanted to be real jerks (like remember when MS required an IE user agent string just to access microsoft.com?), they could just start disallowing this traffic now.
I you use youtube quite regurarly but I've never agreed to any 'terms of service'.
When and how did MS agree to those alledged terms of service?
Surely shirley you are not this f'n stupid?
So why screw this up with a large price hurdle.
... but this is Microsoft.
AWS has many options. You can deploy a single micro server for free for 1 year and stacks of technology and server resources that scale horizontally or vertically very easily. The really were the first successful "Cloud" (IaaS, PaaS) service provider and are probably the cheapest, especially if you want to get your feet wet.
I totally agree. If you at the point where you are needing / wanting node and the like, then spin up a linux image, and install whatever you want. You don't need a traditional hosting company at all. The cost of AWS is negligible in this scenrario (and free for a yr as mentioned), the benefits are great, assuming you have the wherewithal to install and play with stuff like node.
Eh? If silverlight is going away as it seems to be, it's nothing to do with a business strategy - they need to be able to continue to support their service. In addition, I expect they received a fair penny from MS to use Silverlight, and it's quite possible that the specified time on that particular contract is coming to an end.
As far as other platform support: don't look for it anytime soon no matter what tech they go with. There simply is no return on investment for them to maintain and support a service for such a small portion of their user base - especially when you consider partner agreements that are likely rather restrictive in terms of DRM requirements.
Netfix wants something closer to "platform-less". Its not about today, or "anytime soon", its about tomorrow and all those things that no one can predict what will happen. Look at what the iphone did .... changed mobile, killed flash, put a major dent in MS's plans. Nobody could have predicted that impact. Why support platforms? Support a technology that is supported by all current and future platforms. Maybe tomorrow I'll be in a driverless car, hit autopilot and watch a movie (via netflix). Maybe my TV will start to do cool stuff because Samsung created something linux based and then has TVOS. Who cares about the OS? html5 does not necessarily solve all that (yet), but its the right direction. Proprietary stuff does not survive in a truly open arena like we pretty much have.
Which means Windows and OSX. They will not make a linux or BSD plugin, had they wanted to stream to those platforms it would have already happened.
Yea, makes a lot of sense ... they are coming out with a new technology to support exactly the same platforms they already support. Great business strategy.
The great thing about Silverlight is its ability to stream content as your internet line can take it. This means Silverlight will dynamically adjust the video and audio bitrate so that even users on less-than-fast lines can stream Silverlight video content.
Yea, but its from Microsoft.
All in all, Microsoft Visual Studio keeps getting better!
Yea, but its from Microsoft.
Any of the cloud providers are great for this. You can start with a free micro image from Amazon maybe during development phase if you have to start dirt cheap, and go up from there. Any of the cloud providers will let you scale as far as you need. That part is a no brainer. "Thousands of users" is a little vague. Depends totally on how many of them are active at the same time and intensive is what they are doing. I would think potentially something like a small 1 gig image might handle this in the low end scenario (not everybody interacting simultaneously). That does not sound scary. What ever development stack you are most comfortable with should work. I don't see why Java would be a bad choice. Its probably not the first choice of many.
There are a lot of checks and balances to make sure that all those that donate money to one cause or another, are taken care of. And that takes time.
When Microsoft gives away IE for free in order to gain market share it is bad therefore when Google gives away a complete OS for free to gain advertising market share it is bad too. QED
Wrong again! It wasn't just the "free" part (I believe the low end Netscape Navigator was also "free"). It was the fact that they bundled IE with the OS and claimed it couldn't be separated . And there were allegations that MS was strongarming OEM's with like "Don't include netscape, and you must include IE, or don't be surprised if your license fees just happen to go up".
We're not pissed with change. We're pissed at reinventing the wheel. Again.
Still sounds a little like pissin and moanin for the sake of pissin and moanin though. There quite obviously nobody here in our friendly little group that has near the credentials of Brendan Eiche for writing browser code. Sorry to all those that think they are smarter than he is, but show some creditibility first. How many languages have you guys written anyhow and how much time have you spent in the guts of a mainstream browser? I doubt you can top him. And if no one took the time to try to make a better wheel, we'd all be doing a fred flinstone with tree trunks for axles, round rocks for wheels, and feets for brakes.
Stop making Windows 8 tablets of any size. I'll go with Android or even, God forbid, iOS before I'd ever consider Win8.
Uncanny, but I had the same thought. Windows is done. We'll have to tolerate the fallout for a while yet, but its done.
You should get out more. Sorry, I didn't have the time to read all that, but you sound like some wizened old fart who can't give up that desktop mentality, and drag it around like a boat anchor. There is a lot of good stuff going on out there, and more of it is Linux based than MS. Data centers, smartphones, tablets, wearables. And, oh yea, the internet. Linux everywhere you look these days. http://seattletimes.com/html/microsoftpri0/2019853243_goldman_sachs_microsoft_os_has_gone_from_more_than.html
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Oh well. Who decides "right", you or me? One factor in "right" tool, is who I give money to in a business situation. And "right" for me means not supporting organizations with a criminal past, an organization with a history of shitting on its partners, an organization with a long history of not only ignoring standards, but deliberately breaking them, an organization who's most successful "innovations" come from copying someone else then using their quasi-monopoly to ram it down people's throats, an organization that has actually held back innovation, an organization that laughed out loud at the iphone, an organization that is in many respects clueless and survives primarily because of legacy monopolistic crap. I prefer to support organizations, companies and people that I trust, like and hope to see prosper. Not to say everything MS ever did was bad, but there is enough bad there, that I choose to go the other way. I am happy with my Linux desktops, my Macbook, my ipad, my Nook, my android phone. There is nothing MS has that is "right" for me. And yes, I am a tech fanboy, I love this stuff when its done "right". All the respect in the world for Apple, even though I don't agree with everything they do -- but they do push the envelope, and they do do it pretty well. And Linux? Its the people's OS. The more of us that us it, the better if will get.