If AT&T Keeps harrassing you over the phone, asking you to switch long distance (or for any company phoning you to sell any product/service) ask to be put on their "Do Not Call List", and they can't legally call you agani for a year I think. If they do call within that time, you can sue them, I think $1000 for first offense, $500 for each additional offense, until the year time runs out when they can legally phone you again. (And if they do, again ask to be put on their do not call list)
>Why do people think they are entitled to privacy online? Uhm, why do companies, governments, etc. all think that just because I visit their web page they are entitled to know my name, address, etc.? It's of no concern to them what other web sites I visit, IMNSHO. It's of no concern to them to know what I buy from other web sites. It's just none of anyone's business unless I decide it is. Where do you live? While you're away sometime I'll install hidden webcams everywhere in your house so these government organizations, companies, etc. can watch every damn thing you do, since you seem to think that privacy is a total non-issue.
>is no longer avaiable, sorry) The G4 processor >doesn't need to match the AMD and un-Intel >processors in Mhz. The only numbers you can >really can compare are the MIPS rating on the >chips; which, by the way, is for one reason or >other, hard to get. When things rely on the Actually, comparing PowerPC MIPS to x86 MIPS is absolutely, completely, 1000% meaningless. Comparing MIPS only really means something if you are comparing two chips with the same instruction set, such as an athlon to a pentium3, or as a PPC G3 to a PPC G4. The only real comparison between PPC and x86 is the speed of real-life apps, such as photoshop processing something, lightwave rendering a scene, quake FPS, etc. that measure what the end-user actually sees the computer doing in real-life usage situations.
>How can an old 6809 based machine like the Amiga >possibly compete with modern multi-tasking >architectures like the PC ? What's a 6809? I have a 68060 and am looking forward to changing that to a PowerPC G3 or G4 chip. (And if I have to start with a G3, I'll update it to G4 as soon as possible, and they are coming to Amigas) >Or with blindingly fast 3d accelerators such as DirectX ? I have yet to be impressed with DirectX. HalfLife on my PC is extremely choppy in DirectX/3d mode. In OpenGL mode it runs very smoothly. As far as I'm concerned, you can keep your DirectX/Direct3d crap. (this on an AMD K6-2/300 with TNT2 3d card) >The Amiga quite simply cannot cut it in todays world of high-powered commodity hardware. That's why Amiga Inc. is dropping the current line **completely**. My A4000T does what I want it to right now, does the job well, and I don't see any reason to upgrade to another platform/OS just to do the same things I do now on a different/more recent OS or CPU. I do have a PC as well, not a super-high-end one, but a reasonably good one. You may think Windows98 is more powerful or something than old AmigaOS, but I personally think Windows sucks, so I don't use it very often. I've ben trying to get Linux working on this PC, and also on a 486 (the 486 will be an internet gateway to my LAN) but it's being a pain in the butt. Linux is nice once it works, I do like it, but it need some serious work to make installation/configuration better. It used to install on my 486 pretty well, but now that I removed Windwos and want Linux to be the soul OS on that box, it refuses to see the NE2000 ethernet card that once worked just fine. Linux also refuses to detect an identical ethernet card in my K6-2. That was RedHat 5.1. I have a RedHat 6.something disk now also, and the funky GUI installation keeps locking up.:( >Joe Corporate PHB will not trust his mission critical databases to the Amiga. In the same way he would not trust them to his son's playstation. Funny, NASA still uses Amigas as part of the space shuttle program to shuffle data around, because WindowsNT (which is requested by managment to replace the Amigas) is incapable of responding fast enough to do the job reliably. (shrug)
>.. save us from the heathen Amiga worshippers. I >mean let's face it, the Amiga sucks in todays >computing environment. The only people who are >still in love with the Amiga are die-hard crazies >who don't have the wherewithal to setup and run a >more complicated and modern system like Linux or >Windows.
Uhm, this die-hard crazy does have a Windows?linux PC sitting next to his Amiga. I intalled Windows on it. I installed Linux on it. I put the machine together from various cards, a case, and a motherboard that I got separately. So I will assume that means I DO have the wherewithal to setup and run a more complicated and modern system like Linux or Windows. But I have too much taste to use Windows very much at all, and I don't use Linux much as I don't have much to run on it. I'm setting up a second PC with Linux to act as a gateway between the LAN I set up at home and my ISP.
We're not a bunch of morons or anything. We just happen to have something we like. If you don't like it, that's fine, you are entitles to your opinion. But believe it or not, my Amiga is productive. I have some games that I really enjoy for it. I have a word processor that I like a hell of a lot more than I like MS Word, a product I refuse to install on my Windows 98 machine. My Amiga did very well getting me through college, and after graduating a year ago, I don't see any reason to stop using it. It works. Does most of what I want. Why throw it away and spend gobs of money on a different computer that also works, does what I want, but has an OS that I hate? (ie. Windows) Linux does not do everything that I want, so I cannot use it exclusively, it's more for a very few GPLed CAD/EDA programs that I don't want to pay thousands of dollars for to get the Windows equivalent. Windows is currently pretty much for playing Half-Life. My Amiga is used for everything else I do.
>custom chips which hadn't been updated since 1984 >either). I understand that 'current' Amigas have >PowerPCs piggybacked in as a co-processor because >the main CPU (68060?) hasn't been updated since >1992. Sad.
There's a new, PowerPC only CPU card coming soon, that does not have the hackish PPC and 68060 thing going on. www.joecard.com for more info about the G3 cards, and they have stated that when they can get G4 chips that they will use them. Somewhat less sad...
there's no further use for it? It seems to be doing just fine for email, web browsing, playing MP3s, etc. Seems there are quite a few uses for it... Otherwise I'd be using the PC next to my A4000T more often, but my Amiga gets most fo the use...
But yes, there are weak spots, no memory protection, no resource tracking. Not a big deal for me, as I'm not doing any software development. No JAVA, yea, that's one thing that I would like to have. No EDA software for verilog simulations, would be handy but I could always port one of the linux GPL simulators if I had the time. Modern games, well we don't get the absolute latest releases right away, but have had Myst and Quake for a number of years, have Heretic II coming next month, Wipeout is already here, SiN, Freespace, Shogo, and a few others on the way. I'm going to buy a PowerPC G4 board when available, which will then give my "obsolete" Amiga more horsepower than my K6-2/300. And then once LinuxPPC is set up for these G4 cards, I'll do some benchmarks between it and the K6-2 Linux and see what they have to say about obsolescence.
Besides, the new Amiga company isn't going to be doing much for the existing computers. They are breaking away from them, and doing something completely and totally new, basing the new "AmigaOS" not on the current AmigaOS, but on the Elate RTOS from Tao. The OS is hardware and platform independent, using some virtual CPU thing, so it can run on an Athlon 1GHz, P3 1.4GHz, IBM POP PowerPC motherboard, a PowerMac (if tech info was available to do so), a MIPs machine, etc. So don't base your judgement of the current company's worth while-ness on an A500, as the two things are completely unrelated except for the name. There have been rumors that the new OS will be available for old Amiga computers that have PowerPC processors in them, and that's fine with me, but won't be a requirment, and probably will be recommended to get a more modern hardware setup instead, this recommendation coming from Amiga themselves...
So please stop saying stuff like "it's dead", "give it up", etc. You're talking about something completely different than what Amiga Inc. is talking about. The new product can't be dead already, it isn't even born yet...
I'm going to have to get a bigger hard drive, as I hope to run this Elate stuff on my PowerPC Amiga, along with AmigaOS, QNX, and of course LinuxPPC. My 2gig drive is already full of AmigaOS stuff, so have to find room for the other OSes out there...
It's news because Dopus 4.12 is hte best Filemanager I've ever used, on any platform. I've longed for something similar under Linux, and now that is possible. I am extremely happy to see interest in porting it to Linux. This Dopus story isn't an Amiga story, it's an application story, and a damn good piece of software at that. This application just happened to have originated on the Amiga, but I feel Linux will benefit greatly from having a port of it.
And while Amiga has stumbled over the last few years, we are getting G3 and G4 PowerPC cards in the next few months, totally new products, currently being developed by 3 separate companies. We are getting a new motherboard with much more up to date features, PCI slots, much much faster CPU bus, etc. And we are working toward adopting the PowerPC POP motherboard and porting AmigaOS to that. I don't want to argue about advocacy stuff a lot, but while Amiga has been down for a while, it's not gone yet, and good things are indeed happening. I myself am a hardware developer working on some Amiga products for the commercial market.
4.12 may be an old version, but the 4.x was the best. I have the version 5 on my Amiga, and don't use it for my filemanager. I still use Dopus 4.x for that, as nothing in the world is a better filemanager than this IMHO. They totally changed the concept of Dopus for version 5, it now totally replaces the Workbench (desktop) and the interface is a lot different than in 4.x. If I had my choice of any filemanager to use in Linux, it would definitaly be aport of Dopus 4.12. I wouldn't use a port of version 5.
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If AT&T Keeps harrassing you over the phone, asking you to switch long distance (or for any company phoning you to sell any product/service) ask to be put on their "Do Not Call List", and they can't legally call you agani for a year I think. If they do call within that time, you can sue them, I think $1000 for first offense, $500 for each additional offense, until the year time runs out when they can legally phone you again. (And if they do, again ask to be put on their do not call list)
>Why do people think they are entitled to privacy online? Uhm, why do companies, governments, etc. all think that just because I visit their web page they are entitled to know my name, address, etc.? It's of no concern to them what other web sites I visit, IMNSHO. It's of no concern to them to know what I buy from other web sites. It's just none of anyone's business unless I decide it is. Where do you live? While you're away sometime I'll install hidden webcams everywhere in your house so these government organizations, companies, etc. can watch every damn thing you do, since you seem to think that privacy is a total non-issue.
>is no longer avaiable, sorry) The G4 processor >doesn't need to match the AMD and un-Intel >processors in Mhz. The only numbers you can >really can compare are the MIPS rating on the >chips; which, by the way, is for one reason or >other, hard to get. When things rely on the Actually, comparing PowerPC MIPS to x86 MIPS is absolutely, completely, 1000% meaningless. Comparing MIPS only really means something if you are comparing two chips with the same instruction set, such as an athlon to a pentium3, or as a PPC G3 to a PPC G4. The only real comparison between PPC and x86 is the speed of real-life apps, such as photoshop processing something, lightwave rendering a scene, quake FPS, etc. that measure what the end-user actually sees the computer doing in real-life usage situations.
>How can an old 6809 based machine like the Amiga >possibly compete with modern multi-tasking >architectures like the PC ? What's a 6809? I have a 68060 and am looking forward to changing that to a PowerPC G3 or G4 chip. (And if I have to start with a G3, I'll update it to G4 as soon as possible, and they are coming to Amigas) >Or with blindingly fast 3d accelerators such as DirectX ? I have yet to be impressed with DirectX. HalfLife on my PC is extremely choppy in DirectX/3d mode. In OpenGL mode it runs very smoothly. As far as I'm concerned, you can keep your DirectX/Direct3d crap. (this on an AMD K6-2/300 with TNT2 3d card) >The Amiga quite simply cannot cut it in todays world of high-powered commodity hardware. That's why Amiga Inc. is dropping the current line **completely**. My A4000T does what I want it to right now, does the job well, and I don't see any reason to upgrade to another platform/OS just to do the same things I do now on a different/more recent OS or CPU. I do have a PC as well, not a super-high-end one, but a reasonably good one. You may think Windows98 is more powerful or something than old AmigaOS, but I personally think Windows sucks, so I don't use it very often. I've ben trying to get Linux working on this PC, and also on a 486 (the 486 will be an internet gateway to my LAN) but it's being a pain in the butt. Linux is nice once it works, I do like it, but it need some serious work to make installation/configuration better. It used to install on my 486 pretty well, but now that I removed Windwos and want Linux to be the soul OS on that box, it refuses to see the NE2000 ethernet card that once worked just fine. Linux also refuses to detect an identical ethernet card in my K6-2. That was RedHat 5.1. I have a RedHat 6.something disk now also, and the funky GUI installation keeps locking up. :( >Joe Corporate PHB will not trust his mission critical databases to the Amiga. In the same way he would not trust them to his son's playstation. Funny, NASA still uses Amigas as part of the space shuttle program to shuffle data around, because WindowsNT (which is requested by managment to replace the Amigas) is incapable of responding fast enough to do the job reliably. (shrug)
>.. save us from the heathen Amiga worshippers. I
>mean let's face it, the Amiga sucks in todays
>computing environment. The only people who are
>still in love with the Amiga are die-hard crazies
>who don't have the wherewithal to setup and run a
>more complicated and modern system like Linux or
>Windows.
Uhm, this die-hard crazy does have a Windows?linux PC sitting next to his Amiga. I intalled Windows on it. I installed Linux on it. I put the machine together from various cards, a case, and a motherboard that I got separately. So I will assume that means I DO have the wherewithal to setup and run a more complicated and modern system like Linux or Windows. But I have too much taste to use Windows very much at all, and I don't use Linux much as I don't have much to run on it. I'm setting up a second PC with Linux to act as a gateway between the LAN I set up at home and my ISP.
We're not a bunch of morons or anything. We just happen to have something we like. If you don't like it, that's fine, you are entitles to your opinion. But believe it or not, my Amiga is productive. I have some games that I really enjoy for it. I have a word processor that I like a hell of a lot more than I like MS Word, a product I refuse to install on my Windows 98 machine. My Amiga did very well getting me through college, and after graduating a year ago, I don't see any reason to stop using it. It works. Does most of what I want. Why throw it away and spend gobs of money on a different computer that also works, does what I want, but has an OS that I hate? (ie. Windows) Linux does not do everything that I want, so I cannot use it exclusively, it's more for a very few GPLed CAD/EDA programs that I don't want to pay thousands of dollars for to get the Windows equivalent. Windows is currently pretty much for playing Half-Life. My Amiga is used for everything else I do.
>custom chips which hadn't been updated since 1984
>either). I understand that 'current' Amigas have
>PowerPCs piggybacked in as a co-processor because
>the main CPU (68060?) hasn't been updated since
>1992. Sad.
There's a new, PowerPC only CPU card coming soon, that does not have the hackish PPC and 68060 thing going on. www.joecard.com for more info about the G3 cards, and they have stated that when they can get G4 chips that they will use them. Somewhat less sad...
there's no further use for it? It seems to be doing just fine for email, web browsing, playing MP3s, etc. Seems there are quite a few uses for it... Otherwise I'd be using the PC next to my A4000T more often, but my Amiga gets most fo the use...
But yes, there are weak spots, no memory protection, no resource tracking. Not a big deal for me, as I'm not doing any software development. No JAVA, yea, that's one thing that I would like to have. No EDA software for verilog simulations, would be handy but I could always port one of the linux GPL simulators if I had the time. Modern games, well we don't get the absolute latest releases right away, but have had Myst and Quake for a number of years, have Heretic II coming next month, Wipeout is already here, SiN, Freespace, Shogo, and a few others on the way. I'm going to buy a PowerPC G4 board when available, which will then give my "obsolete" Amiga more horsepower than my K6-2/300. And then once LinuxPPC is set up for these G4 cards, I'll do some benchmarks between it and the K6-2 Linux and see what they have to say about obsolescence.
Besides, the new Amiga company isn't going to be doing much for the existing computers. They are breaking away from them, and doing something completely and totally new, basing the new "AmigaOS" not on the current AmigaOS, but on the Elate RTOS from Tao. The OS is hardware and platform independent, using some virtual CPU thing, so it can run on an Athlon 1GHz, P3 1.4GHz, IBM POP PowerPC motherboard, a PowerMac (if tech info was available to do so), a MIPs machine, etc. So don't base your judgement of the current company's worth while-ness on an A500, as the two things are completely unrelated except for the name. There have been rumors that the new OS will be available for old Amiga computers that have PowerPC processors in them, and that's fine with me, but won't be a requirment, and probably will be recommended to get a more modern hardware setup instead, this recommendation coming from Amiga themselves...
So please stop saying stuff like "it's dead", "give it up", etc. You're talking about something completely different than what Amiga Inc. is talking about. The new product can't be dead already, it isn't even born yet...
I'm going to have to get a bigger hard drive, as I hope to run this Elate stuff on my PowerPC Amiga, along with AmigaOS, QNX, and of course LinuxPPC. My 2gig drive is already full of AmigaOS stuff, so have to find room for the other OSes out there...
It's news because Dopus 4.12 is hte best Filemanager I've ever used, on any platform.
I've longed for something similar under Linux, and now that is possible. I am extremely
happy to see interest in porting it to Linux. This Dopus story isn't an Amiga
story, it's an application story, and a damn good piece of software at that. This
application just happened to have originated on the Amiga, but I feel Linux will
benefit greatly from having a port of it.
And while Amiga has stumbled over the last few years, we are getting
G3 and G4 PowerPC cards in the next few months, totally new products,
currently being developed by 3 separate companies. We are getting a new
motherboard with much more up to date features, PCI slots, much much
faster CPU bus, etc. And we are working toward adopting the PowerPC POP
motherboard and porting AmigaOS to that. I don't want to argue about
advocacy stuff a lot, but while Amiga has been down for a while, it's not
gone yet, and good things are indeed happening. I myself am a hardware
developer working on some Amiga products for the commercial market.
4.12 may be an old version, but the 4.x was the best. I have the
version 5 on my Amiga, and don't use it for my filemanager. I still
use Dopus 4.x for that, as nothing in the world is a better
filemanager than this IMHO. They totally changed the concept of Dopus
for version 5, it now totally replaces the Workbench (desktop) and the
interface is a lot different than in 4.x. If I had my choice of any
filemanager to use in Linux, it would definitaly be aport of
Dopus 4.12. I wouldn't use a port of version 5.