What about the notion that anything can be broken? Especially since nobody on the planet want this system(except 4-5 who made the system), and many will be working to find a way around it.
"The author of that website, I believe, would disagree with your assessment of a lack of lies in the movie."
I doubt it (then he would have called it lies not deceits) especially since nobody has objectively pointed out lies. Perhaps he knows that less intelligent people don't understand the art of the subjective documentary, perhaps he wishes to capitalize on that, or perhaps he genuinely doesn't get it either. Perhaps more people should study art more - or just study in general. That's the really unplesant side of Moores movies, it underlines just how many idiots there are. Its a sad fact.
And btw, most news programs do things quite close to that - as long as they don't make people say something the don't mean its fine. Did he make Heston say something he didn't mean?
And since it is clear its two different speeches he is not trying to do anything, except highlight the main points of what the man thinks. Which apparently is too difficult a concept for people who find it painfull to use the brain.
"That is not interpreting the facts differently, that is performing cut-and-paste to make up new facts to fit his opinion. If someone took a speech that you had made and changed it in such a way that you were attributed with saying things you never did say then you would be hopping mad."
But I've never seen him do that. When ever someone says "look what he did there" - I look at them instead and wonder if they never have see any tv or movies or anything. If they have lived in a cave. "He is not misleading, you are just stupid when you watch that". I havne't seen all of this, but most of the time its just people not liking his opinion.
"If Moore had a leg to stand on and the guts to stand on it then he'd let the pure, unvarnished facts speak for themselves."
Facts don't speak for themselves. You have to apply an opinion to them. And he does that.
"Michael Moore claimed that a military communications satellite is a fucking weapon of mass destruction. That's when I tuned out Bowling for Columbine,"
And if we are to check, it will most certainly turn out that you are a badly educated fool who didn't unterstand what you saw.
"Michael Moore hates America. Why should anyone listen to his American hating, Halliburton stock owning fat ass?"
And this just proves you are a foolish ranting troll, he doesn't hate your country, he wants to heal it, makes it better. And his size is not an argument, it just proves you have none.
"Before you place too much stock in the supposed evidence that was in Fahrenheit 9/11 you really should take the time to read Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11. A large part of that movie was a complete misrepresentation of fact, so much so that I wouldn't have faith in anything that Michael Moore puts out."
You may not be able to read, but he was talking about he, the OP said "I've seen concerted efforts to discredit Moore, and they always hinge on a different interpretation of the facts, not catching him in an outright falsehood"
And that's the site you link to, its not called lies - because there are no lies. Its called "Deceits" because if you are stupid enough you might have felt "deceived" (strangly enough its mostly americans who don't seem to get it). I remember people were looking at those so called 50 deciets and all of it is just anohter point of view and spin
http://www.sanctuaryforall.com/ is a site trying to see if they can make a new entertainment model to work: They produce "webisodes" (roughly 15 minuttes a piece) only for the website, its not for tv, its not for dvd's its for tv. If enough people buy it they'll make more - but... no subtitles, except some fans haved started to make their own and link to them in the forum.
You'd think that someone who tries to be inventive and use the internet as a new medium would take that in to cosideration, but apparently they can't be bothered.
(With their prices I doubt they'll last long anyway, but that's a differen story)
"Respectfully, no. She quite literally demanded that the RAM be turned over as part of the discovery request."
Nonsense, read the ruling. What AC (and others here) have said is what happened, if the information has been in the ram then it has been within your power to store it and you can be ordered to do so. That's what she ruled. Not they hand over some hardware.
This includes data for which my server is not the intended recipient, as it has still been electronically stored on my system. For example, I could record the addresses of all emails that route through my server. And since this recording is my property, my consequent sale of said information to interested third parties is completely legal.
So if you route all torrent information through your machine you get to own all the movies, is that what you are saying?
The student set up a smear website against Kaplan where he fabricated stories that Kaplan had been sued for libel, posed as a congressional staffer and engaged in criminal activities.
Hello? If that is the case, it sounds like he deserved to loose.
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"We can't do it now"
No, of course we can't do it NOW.
Perhaps next milennia.
Just because we can't do something now, doesn't mean it isn't possible tomorrow.
"Anonymity...merely serves to take all responsibility from the man who cannot stand by what he has said. - Schopenhauer"
Anonymity - protection against the people who would kill or imprison you because they don't accept you have a right to disagree with them.
What about the notion that anything can be broken? Especially since nobody on the planet want this system(except 4-5 who made the system), and many will be working to find a way around it.
Your subject doesn't make sense.
"The author of that website, I believe, would disagree with your assessment of a lack of lies in the movie."
I doubt it (then he would have called it lies not deceits) especially since nobody has objectively pointed out lies. Perhaps he knows that less intelligent people don't understand the art of the subjective documentary, perhaps he wishes to capitalize on that, or perhaps he genuinely doesn't get it either. Perhaps more people should study art more - or just study in general. That's the really unplesant side of Moores movies, it underlines just how many idiots there are. Its a sad fact.
Thank Taco for ignore lists.
And btw, most news programs do things quite close to that - as long as they don't make people say something the don't mean its fine. Did he make Heston say something he didn't mean?
"Look harder."
No, you learn to think (and read what I wrote).
"Moore pieced together two different speeches."
And since it is clear its two different speeches he is not trying to do anything, except highlight the main points of what the man thinks. Which apparently is too difficult a concept for people who find it painfull to use the brain.
"That is not interpreting the facts differently, that is performing cut-and-paste to make up new facts to fit his opinion. If someone took a speech that you had made and changed it in such a way that you were attributed with saying things you never did say then you would be hopping mad."
But I've never seen him do that. When ever someone says "look what he did there" - I look at them instead and wonder if they never have see any tv or movies or anything. If they have lived in a cave. "He is not misleading, you are just stupid when you watch that". I havne't seen all of this, but most of the time its just people not liking his opinion.
"If Moore had a leg to stand on and the guts to stand on it then he'd let the pure, unvarnished facts speak for themselves."
Facts don't speak for themselves. You have to apply an opinion to them. And he does that.
"definitely misleading"
And irelevant, its still totally sick to most of the planet.
"Michael Moore claimed that a military communications satellite is a fucking weapon of mass destruction. That's when I tuned out Bowling for Columbine,"
And if we are to check, it will most certainly turn out that you are a badly educated fool who didn't unterstand what you saw.
"Michael Moore hates America. Why should anyone listen to his American hating, Halliburton stock owning fat ass?"
And this just proves you are a foolish ranting troll, he doesn't hate your country, he wants to heal it, makes it better. And his size is not an argument, it just proves you have none.
"http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html - here you go. Educate yourself on the man. "
Heh, how old are those opinionated subjective hate bashers - teenagers?
"The particular plan I am on is called Health Choice AZ, and there are many such plans to choose from, including a few PPO plans. "
Plan - why are there plans? Either the state covers you or it doesn't. No need for plans (unless tey charge you after all)
"I am not making any of this up, google it and you shall see. The information is sitting right at your fingertips."
Naa, if you have something to say you could say it here. Like how can they pay for it with the low US taxes.
"Why do people like Michael Moore completely omit this fact when they bash America's health care system? "
Because it sucks?
"Before you place too much stock in the supposed evidence that was in Fahrenheit 9/11 you really should take the time to read Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11. A large part of that movie was a complete misrepresentation of fact, so much so that I wouldn't have faith in anything that Michael Moore puts out."
You may not be able to read, but he was talking about he, the OP said "I've seen concerted efforts to discredit Moore, and they always hinge on a different interpretation of the facts, not catching him in an outright falsehood"
And that's the site you link to, its not called lies - because there are no lies. Its called "Deceits" because if you are stupid enough you might have felt "deceived" (strangly enough its mostly americans who don't seem to get it). I remember people were looking at those so called 50 deciets and all of it is just anohter point of view and spin
Try disabling font sizes in explorer and visit that site -Someone should, I won't again.
http://www.sanctuaryforall.com/ is a site trying to see if they can make a new entertainment model to work: They produce "webisodes" (roughly 15 minuttes a piece) only for the website, its not for tv, its not for dvd's its for tv. If enough people buy it they'll make more - but... no subtitles, except some fans haved started to make their own and link to them in the forum.
You'd think that someone who tries to be inventive and use the internet as a new medium would take that in to cosideration, but apparently they can't be bothered.
(With their prices I doubt they'll last long anyway, but that's a differen story)
Carefull he doesn't sue you.
"Respectfully, no. She quite literally demanded that the RAM be turned over as part of the discovery request."
Nonsense, read the ruling. What AC (and others here) have said is what happened, if the information has been in the ram then it has been within your power to store it and you can be ordered to do so. That's what she ruled. Not they hand over some hardware.
This includes data for which my server is not the intended recipient, as it has still been electronically stored on my system. For example, I could record the addresses of all emails that route through my server. And since this recording is my property, my consequent sale of said information to interested third parties is completely legal.
So if you route all torrent information through your machine you get to own all the movies, is that what you are saying?
Its a dangerous world out there.
So you are saying they are lying about him lying?
What is the world comming to.
According to these guys:
http://www.dafka.org/NewsGen.asp?S=4&PageID=1663
Quote:
The student set up a smear website against Kaplan where he fabricated stories that Kaplan had been sued for libel, posed as a congressional staffer and engaged in criminal activities.
Hello? If that is the case, it sounds like he deserved to loose.
Oh yes, the US doesn't recognize that does it.
Too annoying when you want to violate human rights.
"No it can't"
Aren't you supposed to burn some crosses somewhere? Or convince people that God created the world a couple of thousands of years ago?
"then no one's going to be bothered to believe your claims that pictures make people murder."
Handy, since I haven't made such claims, that's just something the voices in your mind made up.
And since you are someone who just invents crap and then attacks people its the ignore file for you. Do try and grow up.
I never troll, even though opponents of free speech often think so.
""But can be triggered by them."
No, it can't."
Of course it can, long since proved (no I'm not going to do your research for you)