In this particular situation, the bug was eventually found, so yes, it did work, it just happened to take a year. There are bugs in certain other operating systems that took 4 to 5 years to find. Prime example: The bugs *STILL* being found in Solaris 2.5.
Now, lesse how long it takes for there to be a source patch to correct the problem. I bet it doesn't linger for months and/or years as other OS's due.
Heck, look how long it took MS to fix the darned smurf attacks..:-)
Ahh, I had never even thought about using cookies on WAP devices. Personally, I've always based the session information on data contained within the form, aka, URL based, along with form attributes.
I'm confused. Nearly anything that can serve HTML can serve up WML, provided the content type is configured correctly, and it spits out valid WML. Why would one need a specific API set to spit out WML code?
Actually, I think that there is a clause along the same line as Patents that says you *HAVE* to defend and protect your trade secrets in order for them to be legally enforceable. Hence, is a simple zip file deemed enough protection..
Nothing will end up happening here becouse they really, as far as I can see, have a legal leg to stand on. If they file suit, the burden of proof is on them. There is no way they can provide a 'beyond a reasonable doubt' case here. But then, it all depends on how they charge. In some cases, all they need is a 'reasonable' doubt to win, but still.. How the heck can they legally prove that one individual pirated their music? 'Someone hacked my account, really'. Maybee I just don't get it. No one signed anything using the service. My understanding of a digitcal signature is certainly not just 'typing your name' in a text box. It is some 'key' that can be used to uniquely identify an individual. Anyone can type 'Rob Malda' in a text box. Should Rob be then held legally liable for the things done under that entity? I should think not..
Most of the time, you'll have a backup firewall just waiting to be turned on. Load is only *part* of the issue that occurs. The first one, which is simple enough, is that it's easier to secure a box on the front end then one on the backend. My home firewall, and the one at work, quite literally have *NO* open ports at all. We really hope the console never dies, becouse we're forked if it does..:-P But doing this was *really* easy. Now, a backend box is only as secure as it's weakest app, and in the case of things such as MySQL, Samba, etc, it simply makes more sense to have at least one box sitting in front with *everything* locked down. 'Spec when individuals use a system such as Linux's ability to IpMASQ. A good situation would be a front end firewall doing IP forwarding to a load balancing system. Have it only forward the ports required, aka, port 80. Anything else, rejected and logged. Then, even if they do manage to exploit something in your web server, they magically find themselves unable to telnet to that trojan backdoor they managed to get running.
The more hurdles you put in front of the kidies, the more likely they are to get bored..
The issue here isn't the WAP format really, but the conversation of two incompatible formats. HTML looks *HORRIBLE* converted to WML, due to WML's tag limitations. Many, *MANY* formatting tags simply do not exist in the WML specs. WML is built around a very strict idea of 'less is more'. While your Ericsson is plenty nice to display everything, that *SAME EXACT* content is also formatted in such a way to display on a 4x16 chacter screen, perhaps even without graphics capabilities..
In that constraint, this is an interesting (and maybe even useful) service
I'd say the better solution would be to use and drive sites that *DO* provide the WML based content you want, instead of relying on such a cludge. Or, since they are taking off, start your own site. It's only like 19.95 to do now adays..:-P
Define "Web". Why should the Web be HTML only ?
I should have been more specific. I was speaking of the HTML based WWW.
and a temporary fix to the WML content shortage isn't going to hurt.
I disagree that it can't hurt. If cludges like this are used to advertise the 'capabilities' of wireless networking, it leaves a VERY bad taste in ones mouth. One person buys the phone, and uses this. It looks terrible. He doesn't like it. He tells 5 friends, and so on..
It's not perfect, but it's a handy thing until some better WML content comes along
Then we get someone else along, becouse the longer a hack like this needs to exist, the worse the technology looks. And unfortionatly, a hack like this has *nothing* to do with WAP. It is, as you said, the lack of available pages that serve WAP content. I'd rather see not much QUALITY data, then a whole lotta hacked crap.
Simply put, I'd choose to get my data that provides it in the form I want it in. Inconvienient doesn't begin to state the issues in the format that HTML takes on when converted to WML. Not to mention the fact that there are issues such as, Oh, SMASHING the phone stack by throwing to much data at it.
I can also choose to telnet to a machine by having a text box and display window inside of an HTML page that refreshes every 5 seconds. Sure, it'll work, but it's simply not suited for popular use.
WML *IS* XML. Unfortionatly, HTML != XML, hence, the 'translaction' to WML. There is also the fact that the WML namespace was written around the idea of high latency within communications, and the lack of many 'advanced' features available on a desktop machine..
Imagine the slashdot fron page with all data, etc, being rendered on a screen 5x20.;-P Welcome to WAP.. Now, you *CAN* serve up this content, but you need to present it in an 'ENTIRELY' different way.
Anyway, I started ranting didn't I..
Short sided version.. WML *IS* perfectly valid XML.
This is quite simply the biggest waste I've ever seen. WAP devices where *NOT BUILT* to browse the web. WML is syntax specific for maximum usage on small screens. Attempting to convert typical HTML pages on the fly to WML is 'quaint' at best. Neat idea, but practical usage? Practically zilch. Better to build a WAP search engine to search for WAP content..
(Yes, I saw you missed the CD-ROM, and posted in a followup..)
Here's the problem with the price differentials:
1) 31$ for 64 Megs + 12 $ shipping and handling. The way I've seen it, it's around a buck a meg no matter how you slice it. Cheaper online, but they get you on shipping. Still, I was 20$ off there..
2) MB and Processor. Price difference is a few bucks, at the cost of using a motherboard that robs several megs of your RAM. These MB's actually use system RAM for their components, so if you *WHERE* going to use this, you'd need a few extra megs, which makes up for the cost different between your solution of the inc. MB components, and mine of just buying cheapo cards.
3) v.90 modem. You know as well as I that these boxes where being compared to possibly run *NON Win32 OS's*. You cannot buy a cheapo 7$ card to do this. 50$ was even lowballing it.
Basically, I'd say your at *least* 50 bucks off. Granted, a few bucks cheaper then my estimates, but still abive the 199$ mark. Add in the fact that the Oracle box has a bit of build in flash RAM, etc, and I still don;t think you can beat the price, unless you go out and buy an older, used 266.
It should also be noted that for the price of the P2/266, you could also have simply bought a K62/500 and practically doubled the horsepower. This I could see as a valid reason for spending a few bucks more..
It just has to give you a warm and fuzzy feeling when Metallica chooses to pick on you and your friends.. *sigh* Makes me want to cry..:-}
As much as I liked to listen to them.. *PHOOSH* I'll never listen again.. What I find SPECIFICALLY funny is the fact that *ALL I HAD COPIES OF WHERE LIVE RECORDINGS*. I had not one copy shared in my library that was a rip from their CDs.. Pricks..
10$ case 64$ 64 Megs Memory 20$ S3 4 Meg Video Card 15$ Low end sound card 24$ CD-ROM Drive 82$ Cheap Mb w/P233 50$ 56K modem 10$ 10/100 BaseT cheapo Network card == 275$
These are the BARE BONES MINIMUM prices listed according to www.pricewatch.com today. Sorry, but you cannot buy a *new* 266 w 64 megs for less then 200.
To go further on this point, it should be noted that nearly all of the school in Mexico now run Linux. Gotta make you wonder how long it will take before other countries reach the technological level of the united states, and perhaps, surpase it..
Half of your answer is already answered. It runs Linux. I'm guessing it also runs X, or some other derivative, as it runs Netscape 4.7. These facts I think answer at least half of your questions..
It's called 'Stratigic Partnering via funding'. No one around seems to get it anymore. RedHat makes money off of free software. The more free software they fund, the more money they make, becouse everyone wants to get it from the 'Official' redhat.
It's just good buisness sense. Sun and Oracle do the same thing all of the time. Sun *gives* hardware away to startups who have promise in exchange for partial share.
Not sure what ticker you're looking at, but I want to sell on that market. On EVERYONE ELSES market, RedHat stock is doing well, but certainly not stupendous and overvalued. Perhaps back in January, but certainly not today..
After a conversation with some of the sourceforge guys, I think I need to ammend by statement.
The guys at sourceforge are doing a *GREAT* job. The project as it stands is great. They're limitation to things such as public CVS access and a good build/install and/or packaging system is simply becouse they are a small group of people providing a wonderful service.
I would list sourceforge as one of the best open source 'projects' out there. I simply wouldn't list their source as one of the best. This isn;t do to their efforts, or anything they can do anything about.. What they need is *people*. Volunteers wanted at http://sourceforge.net/patch/?group_id=1
Ordinarily I'd agree.. But in this particular case, given the nature of the system, and the amount of evangilizing done by sourceforge, I'd say people have the right to complain. Yes, it is an open source project, no doubt there. But is it in the true nature of open source to keep development closed, and release every once and a while? My answer.. No. Practice what you preach, plain and simple.
To my knowledge, no loopholes where found, and you can freely get the source to CPhack and continue to develop and modify it to your hearts content.
I also find it funny that your taking the defence of 'People need to make money' when their distro is quite simply RH 6.1 with a few visual changes to some of the Gnome utilities to make it look more branded..;-P
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In this particular situation, the bug was eventually found, so yes, it did work, it just happened to take a year. There are bugs in certain other operating systems that took 4 to 5 years to find. Prime example: The bugs *STILL* being found in Solaris 2.5.
:-)
Now, lesse how long it takes for there to be a source patch to correct the problem. I bet it doesn't linger for months and/or years as other OS's due.
Heck, look how long it took MS to fix the darned smurf attacks..
Ahh, I had never even thought about using cookies on WAP devices. Personally, I've always based the session information on data contained within the form, aka, URL based, along with form attributes.
Now it starts to make sense..
See above responses.. It's all about cookies..
I'm confused. Nearly anything that can serve HTML can serve up WML, provided the content type is configured correctly, and it spits out valid WML. Why would one need a specific API set to spit out WML code?
Actually, I think that there is a clause along the same line as Patents that says you *HAVE* to defend and protect your trade secrets in order for them to be legally enforceable. Hence, is a simple zip file deemed enough protection..
Nothing will end up happening here becouse they really, as far as I can see, have a legal leg to stand on. If they file suit, the burden of proof is on them. There is no way they can provide a 'beyond a reasonable doubt' case here. But then, it all depends on how they charge. In some cases, all they need is a 'reasonable' doubt to win, but still.. How the heck can they legally prove that one individual pirated their music? 'Someone hacked my account, really'. Maybee I just don't get it. No one signed anything using the service. My understanding of a digitcal signature is certainly not just 'typing your name' in a text box. It is some 'key' that can be used to uniquely identify an individual. Anyone can type 'Rob Malda' in a text box. Should Rob be then held legally liable for the things done under that entity? I should think not..
Most of the time, you'll have a backup firewall just waiting to be turned on. Load is only *part* of the issue that occurs. The first one, which is simple enough, is that it's easier to secure a box on the front end then one on the backend. My home firewall, and the one at work, quite literally have *NO* open ports at all. We really hope the console never dies, becouse we're forked if it does.. :-P But doing this was *really* easy. Now, a backend box is only as secure as it's weakest app, and in the case of things such as MySQL, Samba, etc, it simply makes more sense to have at least one box sitting in front with *everything* locked down. 'Spec when individuals use a system such as Linux's ability to IpMASQ. A good situation would be a front end firewall doing IP forwarding to a load balancing system. Have it only forward the ports required, aka, port 80. Anything else, rejected and logged. Then, even if they do manage to exploit something in your web server, they magically find themselves unable to telnet to that trojan backdoor they managed to get running.
The more hurdles you put in front of the kidies, the more likely they are to get bored..
The issue here isn't the WAP format really, but the conversation of two incompatible formats. HTML looks *HORRIBLE* converted to WML, due to WML's tag limitations. Many, *MANY* formatting tags simply do not exist in the WML specs. WML is built around a very strict idea of 'less is more'. While your Ericsson is plenty nice to display everything, that *SAME EXACT* content is also formatted in such a way to display on a 4x16 chacter screen, perhaps even without graphics capabilities..
In that constraint, this is an interesting (and maybe even useful) service
:-P
I'd say the better solution would be to use and drive sites that *DO* provide the WML based content you want, instead of relying on such a cludge. Or, since they are taking off, start your own site. It's only like 19.95 to do now adays..
Define "Web". Why should the Web be HTML only ?
I should have been more specific. I was speaking of the HTML based WWW.
and a temporary fix to the WML content shortage isn't going to hurt.
I disagree that it can't hurt. If cludges like this are used to advertise the 'capabilities' of wireless networking, it leaves a VERY bad taste in ones mouth. One person buys the phone, and uses this. It looks terrible. He doesn't like it. He tells 5 friends, and so on..
It's not perfect, but it's a handy thing until some better WML content comes along
Then we get someone else along, becouse the longer a hack like this needs to exist, the worse the technology looks. And unfortionatly, a hack like this has *nothing* to do with WAP. It is, as you said, the lack of available pages that serve WAP content. I'd rather see not much QUALITY data, then a whole lotta hacked crap.
Simply put, I'd choose to get my data that provides it in the form I want it in. Inconvienient doesn't begin to state the issues in the format that HTML takes on when converted to WML. Not to mention the fact that there are issues such as, Oh, SMASHING the phone stack by throwing to much data at it.
I can also choose to telnet to a machine by having a text box and display window inside of an HTML page that refreshes every 5 seconds. Sure, it'll work, but it's simply not suited for popular use.
(Pppst.. Buddy..)
;-P Welcome to WAP.. Now, you *CAN* serve up this content, but you need to present it in an 'ENTIRELY' different way.
WML *IS* XML. Unfortionatly, HTML != XML, hence, the 'translaction' to WML. There is also the fact that the WML namespace was written around the idea of high latency within communications, and the lack of many 'advanced' features available on a desktop machine..
Imagine the slashdot fron page with all data, etc, being rendered on a screen 5x20.
Anyway, I started ranting didn't I..
Short sided version.. WML *IS* perfectly valid XML.
This is quite simply the biggest waste I've ever seen. WAP devices where *NOT BUILT* to browse the web. WML is syntax specific for maximum usage on small screens. Attempting to convert typical HTML pages on the fly to WML is 'quaint' at best. Neat idea, but practical usage? Practically zilch. Better to build a WAP search engine to search for WAP content..
I was basing the comparison on what the Ellison PC has, which does not include any of those.. :-P
(Yes, I saw you missed the CD-ROM, and posted in a followup..)
Here's the problem with the price differentials:
1) 31$ for 64 Megs + 12 $ shipping and handling. The way I've seen it, it's around a buck a meg no matter how you slice it. Cheaper online, but they get you on shipping. Still, I was 20$ off there..
2) MB and Processor. Price difference is a few bucks, at the cost of using a motherboard that robs several megs of your RAM. These MB's actually use system RAM for their components, so if you *WHERE* going to use this, you'd need a few extra megs, which makes up for the cost different between your solution of the inc. MB components, and mine of just buying cheapo cards.
3) v.90 modem. You know as well as I that these boxes where being compared to possibly run *NON Win32 OS's*. You cannot buy a cheapo 7$ card to do this. 50$ was even lowballing it.
Basically, I'd say your at *least* 50 bucks off. Granted, a few bucks cheaper then my estimates, but still abive the 199$ mark. Add in the fact that the Oracle box has a bit of build in flash RAM, etc, and I still don;t think you can beat the price, unless you go out and buy an older, used 266.
It should also be noted that for the price of the P2/266, you could also have simply bought a K62/500 and practically doubled the horsepower. This I could see as a valid reason for spending a few bucks more..
It just has to give you a warm and fuzzy feeling when Metallica chooses to pick on you and your friends.. *sigh* Makes me want to cry.. :-}
As much as I liked to listen to them.. *PHOOSH* I'll never listen again.. What I find SPECIFICALLY funny is the fact that *ALL I HAD COPIES OF WHERE LIVE RECORDINGS*. I had not one copy shared in my library that was a rip from their CDs.. Pricks..
Cheaper to buy this beast...
10$ case
64$ 64 Megs Memory
20$ S3 4 Meg Video Card
15$ Low end sound card
24$ CD-ROM Drive
82$ Cheap Mb w/P233
50$ 56K modem
10$ 10/100 BaseT cheapo Network card
== 275$
These are the BARE BONES MINIMUM prices listed according to www.pricewatch.com today. Sorry, but you cannot buy a *new* 266 w 64 megs for less then 200.
To go further on this point, it should be noted that nearly all of the school in Mexico now run Linux. Gotta make you wonder how long it will take before other countries reach the technological level of the united states, and perhaps, surpase it..
Half of your answer is already answered. It runs Linux. I'm guessing it also runs X, or some other derivative, as it runs Netscape 4.7. These facts I think answer at least half of your questions..
It's called 'Stratigic Partnering via funding'. No one around seems to get it anymore. RedHat makes money off of free software. The more free software they fund, the more money they make, becouse everyone wants to get it from the 'Official' redhat.
It's just good buisness sense. Sun and Oracle do the same thing all of the time. Sun *gives* hardware away to startups who have promise in exchange for partial share.
Not sure what ticker you're looking at, but I want to sell on that market. On EVERYONE ELSES market, RedHat stock is doing well, but certainly not stupendous and overvalued. Perhaps back in January, but certainly not today..
After a conversation with some of the sourceforge guys, I think I need to ammend by statement.
The guys at sourceforge are doing a *GREAT* job. The project as it stands is great. They're limitation to things such as public CVS access and a good build/install and/or packaging system is simply becouse they are a small group of people providing a wonderful service.
I would list sourceforge as one of the best open source 'projects' out there. I simply wouldn't list their source as one of the best. This isn;t do to their efforts, or anything they can do anything about.. What they need is *people*. Volunteers wanted at http://sourceforge.net/patch/?group_id=1
Ordinarily I'd agree.. But in this particular case, given the nature of the system, and the amount of evangilizing done by sourceforge, I'd say people have the right to complain. Yes, it is an open source project, no doubt there. But is it in the true nature of open source to keep development closed, and release every once and a while? My answer.. No. Practice what you preach, plain and simple.
Err, to my knowledge, no one will buy their distro. They're distributing it with their motherboards..
To my knowledge, no loopholes where found, and you can freely get the source to CPhack and continue to develop and modify it to your hearts content.
;-P
I also find it funny that your taking the defence of 'People need to make money' when their distro is quite simply RH 6.1 with a few visual changes to some of the Gnome utilities to make it look more branded..
Story looks pretty strait to me. I looked, and I see no source available, nor any mention of any source being available.
Heck, there isn't even a source rpm in sight for *anything* in their distro.