Well I did mention Mandrake also, which if I am not mistaken is bigger than Suse is in France.
And here is Norway (which is also in Europe) Suse
is a non-player really. So while germans would have to find a new number 1 distro, the rest of the world would probably not register them gone.
Hate to say it, but it might have been better if they had gone under. It would have increased the chance of other companies like Mandrake and Red Hat making good profits. This new investment to keep Suse alive might just help cement a situation with no real moneymaking distro's.
Not necessarily, even if RMS wants all software to
be GPL he has also stated that it is correct to use the LGPL in instances where Free Software needs to replace well established proprietary software and due to that needs to lower the barrier of acceptance as much as possible.
In this case we need to replace MSWindows so using the LGPL would be the correct license.
A typical example of this was RMS supporting the GPL compatible BSD license for OggVorbis because he realized that in order to replace well established proprietary formats that was probably the best solution.
It is much better for Loki if you buy one of their
games than donate money. In order for Loki to get
contracts to port the best games they need to be able to show good sales figures on what they already have ported. So even if more of the money go to production costs if you buy a game than donate money, it will proabably be much better for Loki long term.
> Windows has a lot of interesting and already
> implemented technology in
> OLE/COM/DCOM/whatever - but that doesn't mean
> that we should blindly follow in their
> footsteps.
No, but it doesn't mean we should automatically decide that everything Microsoft does it useless for us either. Unlike what some people seem to think judging by the way they argue here, is that we have some sort of power in the desktop market currently. This is bullshit, M$ still controls well over 90% of the desktop market and if we are to take them on we have to do what we always done on the server side, implement interoperability. Samba is a much used example, but lets also look Apache for instance which has support for Frontpage extensions and ASP.
Ximian wants GNOME to become a serious contender to M$ in the desktop arena, and they are smart enough to realise that sitting around the fire like a gang of old Amiga enthusiasts dreaming about the comeback of Amiga and its rise to prominence is not the way to do it.
They are not really helping them at all, meaning offering help in the form of code, money or manpower. All Microsoft have done and will do is provide clarifications about the spec they have submitted for standarisation.
They would probably do this for any company requesting such clarifications because failure to do so could hinder the standarisation process.
I am not sure more entries into the PPC market is a good thing for PPC users. There already are more than enough PPC distros available to make sure that the marketplace is competitive so all new entries does is divide a small marketplace into even smaler segments. There is a big risk that what will happen is that none of the PPC distros are able to be profitable because the market is to small and fragmentet which in turn could hurt the quality of what is available.
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I think it is incredible that Microsoft comes out screaming that intelectual property is such a cornerstone, I mean their whole business is based on the opposite.
a) Dos was a CP/M clone
b)Windows itself started out as a Mac clone.
c) Excel and Word clones Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect.
The market for M$ software exists today due to Compaq managing to clone the IBM bios.
And the list goes on.
Wonder where in this list Microsoft came to feel that intelectual property was a good idea.
Why DO you have to balance a company wanting to make money and the community? GNU/Linux & BSD was
created by the community for the community not for company this or that. So if companies want to release software under non-GPL licenses being OSI approved or closed source, well nothing is stoping them since all the basic and important libraries are LGPL or BSD. But there is no need for the community applauding their actions. The community uses (L)GPL and BSD licenses and these companies can use whatever license they wish. They just have to realize that by using other licenses they make their code mostly uninteresting to the community and minimalize the chance of community involvement.
Ok, so if you don't want to use Nautilus why don't you remove it completly? I don't see your problem. Of course if you don't want to deinstall Nautilus you should be able to go into the GNOME Control Center and remove it through the session setup screens.
'A very well written article that says a lot of truth'
CmdTaco you have to stop smoking crack at work, if you continue like this we might have a Slashdot posting saying, 'David Irving proves that holocaust never happened.'
If XFce had was based on a new development platform I would agree with you, but since it uses many of GNOME's development libraries and is GNOME complicant it just creates another great way to run GTK+ based apps and as such doesn't diversify the Linux desktop space in a negative direction.
Ok, I just mailed my editor about that one.
Strange thing is that so many people read through the interview before publication, yet noone spotted it. Thanks for the catch.
For instance both Nautilus and Bonobo far surpases their KDE counterparts. And I don't even think KDE has something like GNOME-vfs.
As for gtkhtml vs khtml, you are not seeing the bigger picture at all. The GNOME project already has a full featured/highly standard compliant rendering widget in gtkmozembed. The point of gtkhtml is to make a very lightweigh html rendering and editing widget for the instances where that is more usefull than a fullfeatured rendering widget. As for the weaknesses of the old KDE1 widget, the GNOME developers are well aware of them and if you read their online diaries you would see how they almost daily cursed about all the crud they had to fix doing the port.
You find believeing that we are only here because of random chance impossible to believe.
But how can you find it more believable that the universe was created by the God of a gang of desert nomands? A God who the majority of the world only knows about due to the powerplays of the Roman Empire?
As for people finding it impossible to believe that the universe has simply existed forever, I simply can't understand then why you think the concept of a supernatural being having existed forever so much more plausible.
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Superior component architecture? Superior to what? Definetly not superior to Bonobo.
They are not in ireland, all the Wipro hackers are in india. It is the Sun employed hackers that are in ireland.
Hmm, is it my destiny to put RMS on Slashdot each time I mail to the gnome-foundation list?
My guess is that Ximian didn't want to upgrade cause Mozilla 0.9.7 had some serious bugs, like big
problems with certain forms.
Now that 0.9.8 is out, and if it works well my guess is that they let you upgrade to it.
Well I did mention Mandrake also, which if I am not mistaken is bigger than Suse is in France.
And here is Norway (which is also in Europe) Suse
is a non-player really. So while germans would have to find a new number 1 distro, the rest of the world would probably not register them gone.
Hate to say it, but it might have been better if they had gone under. It would have increased the chance of other companies like Mandrake and Red Hat making good profits. This new investment to keep Suse alive might just help cement a situation with no real moneymaking distro's.
Not necessarily, even if RMS wants all software to
be GPL he has also stated that it is correct to use the LGPL in instances where Free Software needs to replace well established proprietary software and due to that needs to lower the barrier of acceptance as much as possible.
In this case we need to replace MSWindows so using the LGPL would be the correct license.
A typical example of this was RMS supporting the GPL compatible BSD license for OggVorbis because he realized that in order to replace well established proprietary formats that was probably the best solution.
Actually the C++ bindings have been 100% done for some time now, so there is no more 'trying to catch up'. Go to http://gtkmm.sourceforge.net
It is much better for Loki if you buy one of their games than donate money. In order for Loki to get contracts to port the best games they need to be able to show good sales figures on what they already have ported. So even if more of the money go to production costs if you buy a game than donate money, it will proabably be much better for Loki long term.
> project that only exists in name and hype? If
> Mono is so good, shut up and show us the code.
Chill dude, if you bothered looking at the go-mono website you see that there already is code available. (http://www.go-mono.net/download.html)
> implemented technology in
> OLE/COM/DCOM/whatever - but that doesn't mean
> that we should blindly follow in their
> footsteps.
No, but it doesn't mean we should automatically decide that everything Microsoft does it useless for us either. Unlike what some people seem to think judging by the way they argue here, is that we have some sort of power in the desktop market currently. This is bullshit, M$ still controls well over 90% of the desktop market and if we are to take them on we have to do what we always done on the server side, implement interoperability. Samba is a much used example, but lets also look Apache for instance which has support for Frontpage extensions and ASP.
Ximian wants GNOME to become a serious contender to M$ in the desktop arena, and they are smart enough to realise that sitting around the fire like a gang of old Amiga enthusiasts dreaming about the comeback of Amiga and its rise to prominence is not the way to do it.
They are not really helping them at all, meaning offering help in the form of code, money or manpower. All Microsoft have done and will do is provide clarifications about the spec they have submitted for standarisation. They would probably do this for any company requesting such clarifications because failure to do so could hinder the standarisation process.
Haven't they always been GTK+ based?
I am not sure more entries into the PPC market is a good thing for PPC users. There already are more than enough PPC distros available to make sure that the marketplace is competitive so all new entries does is divide a small marketplace into even smaler segments. There is a big risk that what will happen is that none of the PPC distros are able to be profitable because the market is to small and fragmentet which in turn could hurt the quality of what is available.
a) Dos was a CP/M clone
b)Windows itself started out as a Mac clone.
c) Excel and Word clones Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect.
The market for M$ software exists today due to Compaq managing to clone the IBM bios.
And the list goes on.
Wonder where in this list Microsoft came to feel that intelectual property was a good idea.
Why DO you have to balance a company wanting to make money and the community? GNU/Linux & BSD was created by the community for the community not for company this or that. So if companies want to release software under non-GPL licenses being OSI approved or closed source, well nothing is stoping them since all the basic and important libraries are LGPL or BSD. But there is no need for the community applauding their actions. The community uses (L)GPL and BSD licenses and these companies can use whatever license they wish. They just have to realize that by using other licenses they make their code mostly uninteresting to the community and minimalize the chance of community involvement.
Ok, so if you don't want to use Nautilus why don't you remove it completly? I don't see your problem. Of course if you don't want to deinstall Nautilus you should be able to go into the GNOME Control Center and remove it through the session setup screens.
'A very well written article that says a lot of truth' CmdTaco you have to stop smoking crack at work, if you continue like this we might have a Slashdot posting saying, 'David Irving proves that holocaust never happened.'
If XFce had was based on a new development platform I would agree with you, but since it uses many of GNOME's development libraries and is GNOME complicant it just creates another great way to run GTK+ based apps and as such doesn't diversify the Linux desktop space in a negative direction.
Ok, I just mailed my editor about that one. Strange thing is that so many people read through the interview before publication, yet noone spotted it. Thanks for the catch.
Erik has writen the followng reply to that question, which I thought I link to here for completion. GStreamer mail archive
For instance both Nautilus and Bonobo far surpases their KDE counterparts. And I don't even think KDE has something like GNOME-vfs.
As for gtkhtml vs khtml, you are not seeing the bigger picture at all. The GNOME project already has a full featured/highly standard compliant rendering widget in gtkmozembed. The point of gtkhtml is to make a very lightweigh html rendering and editing widget for the instances where that is more usefull than a fullfeatured rendering widget. As for the weaknesses of the old KDE1 widget, the GNOME developers are well aware of them and if you read their online diaries you would see how they almost daily cursed about all the crud they had to fix doing the port.
But how can you find it more believable that the universe was created by the God of a gang of desert nomands? A God who the majority of the world only knows about due to the powerplays of the Roman Empire?
As for people finding it impossible to believe that the universe has simply existed forever, I simply can't understand then why you think the concept of a supernatural being having existed forever so much more plausible.
The patch updates GTK+, GAL (gnome application library), gnome-libs and mozilla
yup, thanks. Don't know how my link ended up that way :)