I'm on the verge of abandoning Java for my projects. Currently, there's just almost no business reason to use it. Microsoft tools (+ReSharper) are now as nice as tools for Java, ASP.NET is as good as any Java web framework, and WPF totally kills SWING on the client.
Netbeans has freaken awsome refactoring. ReSharper has good number of features ( less then Netbeans). But that fucken thing makes VS so unstable and causes lots of issues.
Unit testing is very unstable and VS is more stable without it.
And.... here comes the kicker.............YOU HAVE TO F*CKEN PAY FOR THAT PIECE OF SHIT.....
I've had to re-write too much stuff because a java built in function relied on native libraries, which did not act the same (regular expression handling in 1.4 and earlier, is a good example - go betweeen HPUX, Linux and Windows, and there can be serious issues). A lot of the UI stuff doesn't work well between versions either.
It's gotten better, but on a similar note, anything I've used from.NET in VS 2003 and earlier, and quite a bit of later stuff, works just fine on Windows, Linux and FreeBSD.
Each has their flaws in cross platform use -.NET's issues tend to arise when using newer APIs, and Java tend to have small gotchas, which in most cases are rare, scattered throughout the code.
Why would you mention a bug in Java 1.4? That's god damn ancient history.
>go betweeen HPUX, Linux and Windows
WTF do you run on HPUX to execute.NET Code? There is nothing! Agg... Another f*cken retard. Who gave him Score 5?
>Java.makes.me.want.to.claw.my.eyes.out().NET may only be truly on windows, but it's actually not so bad to code in. I wrote a DB reporting and maint. app in C# in roughly 2 weeks, the previous version of which in Java took almost 2 months.
Good god, please learn the language and the tools and don't compain that something took you longer that on another platform.
> Crazy easy remote DB access (sure, neither are exactly rocket science, but.net was quicker and more flexible)
DB access.... please this is pathetic..... Java with JDBC drivers for every database under the sun and Hibernate is the easiest thing.
No complains if you dont know the right tools. Netbeans with Hibernate / JPA class generation is very nice. Database schema updates too to reflect your entity class changes. Try that with.NETs pathetic NHibernate or other ORM tools.
> Easy installs - this had me from the start. I wasn't writing a web app, but a desktop app. The C# one was a breeze, the Java one a major headache
WTF is this? Since when is something hard to install?.... Pathetic comment.
> Attractive frontends - this will probably start yet another flamewar, but many of the java frontends are HIDEOUS
Ah... again, not knowing the tools... look around.... https://substance.dev.java.net/see.html has freaken outrageous number of look-and-feel plugins. Any swing app can be skinned. Nimbus look is my favorite.
> Performance when doing large dataset manipulations - for example, determining which server had the least free space, or which one had the most obsolete users. These are fairly trivial sorting tasks, but the java version > took probably twice as long and more memory (in my implementation, which may well have sucked to be frank).
These are comments of a retard.
> Support for dumping data into Excel and Word - this was a killer feature. I was able to generate SOX and sizing reports on the fly with C#. Java? No such luck. I never did get it working quickly and properly.
Please don't talk about things you have no idea about. We use JasperReports and it's very nice. Ah, don't give me that pathetic SSRS as an example either. Try hitting a SOAP service with that piece of shit and you'l understand. Dumping data from Excel is not a problem. We use ETL tools like Talend to extract information from Excel files and expose the information as a WebService. If you dont know of best practices and processing Excel files, dont even bother talking about it.
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Man, I can't wait until it will be this easy to get chicken.
I'm on the verge of abandoning Java for my projects. Currently, there's just almost no business reason to use it. Microsoft tools (+ReSharper) are now as nice as tools for Java, ASP.NET is as good as any Java web framework, and WPF totally kills SWING on the client.
Netbeans has freaken awsome refactoring. ReSharper has good number of features ( less then Netbeans). But that fucken thing makes VS so unstable and causes lots of issues.
Unit testing is very unstable and VS is more stable without it.
And.... here comes the kicker.............YOU HAVE TO F*CKEN PAY FOR THAT PIECE OF SHIT.....
Actually, I'd argue Java is also only in theory.
I've had to re-write too much stuff because a java built in function relied on native libraries, which did not act the same (regular expression handling in 1.4 and earlier, is a good example - go betweeen HPUX, Linux and Windows, and there can be serious issues). A lot of the UI stuff doesn't work well between versions either.
It's gotten better, but on a similar note, anything I've used from .NET in VS 2003 and earlier, and quite a bit of later stuff, works just fine on Windows, Linux and FreeBSD.
Each has their flaws in cross platform use - .NET's issues tend to arise when using newer APIs, and Java tend to have small gotchas, which in most cases are rare, scattered throughout the code.
Why would you mention a bug in Java 1.4? That's god damn ancient history. .NET Code? There is nothing! Agg ... Another f*cken retard. Who gave him Score 5?
>go betweeen HPUX, Linux and Windows
WTF do you run on HPUX to execute
>Java.makes.me.want.to.claw.my.eyes.out() .NET may only be truly on windows, but it's actually not so bad to code in. I wrote a DB reporting and maint. app in C# in roughly 2 weeks, the previous version of which in Java took almost 2 months.
.net was quicker and more flexible)
.... please this is pathetic..... Java with JDBC drivers for every database under the sun and Hibernate is the easiest thing.
No complains if you dont know the right tools. Netbeans with Hibernate / JPA class generation is very nice. Database schema updates too to reflect your entity class changes. Try that with .NETs pathetic NHibernate or other ORM tools.
.... Pathetic comment.
Good god, please learn the language and the tools and don't compain that something took you longer that on another platform.
> Crazy easy remote DB access (sure, neither are exactly rocket science, but
DB access
> Easy installs - this had me from the start. I wasn't writing a web app, but a desktop app. The C# one was a breeze, the Java one a major headache
WTF is this? Since when is something hard to install?
> Attractive frontends - this will probably start yet another flamewar, but many of the java frontends are HIDEOUS
Ah... again, not knowing the tools... look around.... https://substance.dev.java.net/see.html has freaken outrageous number of look-and-feel plugins. Any swing app can be skinned. Nimbus look is my favorite.
> Performance when doing large dataset manipulations - for example, determining which server had the least free space, or which one had the most obsolete users. These are fairly trivial sorting tasks, but the java version > took probably twice as long and more memory (in my implementation, which may well have sucked to be frank).
These are comments of a retard.
> Support for dumping data into Excel and Word - this was a killer feature. I was able to generate SOX and sizing reports on the fly with C#. Java? No such luck. I never did get it working quickly and properly.
Please don't talk about things you have no idea about. We use JasperReports and it's very nice. Ah, don't give me that pathetic SSRS as an example either. Try hitting a SOAP service with that piece of shit and you'l understand. Dumping data from Excel is not a problem. We use ETL tools like Talend to extract information from Excel files and expose the information as a WebService. If you dont know of best practices and processing Excel files, dont even bother talking about it.