My first reaction to this (as it probably was for some other people) was that this was great news; at last, amazon would be forced to change their policy towards patents once the shoe was on the other foot. Now they would realize how harmful these kinds of patents are.
But then I remembered Bezos' defense of his companies' patents. He said that he felt as much as we do that they're bad, but he had to use them because everyone else did and they were necessary to compete.
Unfortunately, this lawsuit will only further convince amazon that everyone is using patents and lawsuits and they must too in order to be competitive. As a matter of fact, our attempts to convince amazon to change it's position on this issue may be seriously set back. This is a sad, sad day...
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Then for your benefit (and that of the other 80% of people posting who also didn't read the article) I'll summarize since I did read it: "Some of the people using the internet happen to be female. This qualifies as a revolution, which makes it in some way I won't specify related to open source software. A site aimed at women is run by a former coworker of mine." Earthshattering news indeed.
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Oddly, www.dottv.tv doesn't go to dotTV at all. (It redirects to find.com, a different idealab company). If you had your own TLD don't you think you'd use it for your company?
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The Apex player isn't what this guy is asking for at all. He wants a portable cd player that plays mp3s. The Apex is not portable at all. For that, big deal, I'll hook my computer up to me to my speakers/tv. And, as far as I know, the Pine isn't available yet.
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This country was founded with a "thumbing your nose at the status quo" mentality. Although it may have not been a pure and unified movement it was illegal(at the time) and effective. Another foundation of this great land of ours is capitalism. Which "country" and "land" are you referring to? There is nothing in your post that says where you're from.
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MP3.com tries to make money off of artists in ways that are at least as bad as any record company. I don't remember details, but I have certainly read about that and it does seem to be the case. If anyone can post specifics or links to anything on that topic it would be appreciated. None of us like record companies, but that doesn't mean we must embrace MP3.com as the solution.
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Even if they're only giving an advance, that's still lending the artist money to pay for the tour and recording that they might not otherwise be able to afford.
Still, I'm not saying that I like record companies or dislike Napster. As a matter of fact, I wrote the NHF on using napster and playing mp3s under linux for linuxnewbie.org. And I agree with you that that Salon article was just the RIAA party line (although they have also written several pro-Napster articles). I was merely pointing out that the Signal 11's post was incorrect on the issue of touring.
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Artists primarily sell their music (or the rights to it) to gain enough fans to host/be a part of a concert. Concerts generate VAST amounts of revenue - $30-40 per person.. multiplied by the tens (sometimes hundreds) of thousands of people.
Not at all. The only people who actually do better than break even on the road are a few bands who are huge draws. Almost all artists break even or even lose money on tours as a way of generating interest so they sell albums. In the article Artists to Napster: Drop dead! the argument that people trading copyrighted mp3s is ok because the artists can make the money back on the road is discussed and one singer says:
"It's laughable. Those people have no idea how the music business works. Because unless you're Alanis Morissette or Dave Mathews, you're not making money on the road. It's all I can do to break even on tour. And the only reason to tour is to promote the sale of my CD."
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Just because it's legal doesn't mean Napster has to allow it. It's their network and servers so thet can place restriction on their use, including not allowing you to trade files other than MP3s. For now they're not, but I figure that probably because trying to stop Wrapster would be more trouble than it's worth at this point. If it really catches on and Napster is overwhelmed with people who are sharing and searching for warez, they might change their minds.
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No, sorry, I missed that one. If it's relevant to what's happending here, could you please explain or provide a link as to what the "Gumby incident" was? Thanks.
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I'm not supporting piracy or copyright enfringement. I'm supporting allowing people to trade tapes of shows which are legal and uncopyrighted. Any Dead show that hasn't been released as an official live album can be traded freely, as long as it is not sold or in some way used for profit.
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The official napster servers are many, more than 10 and less than 1000... (someone wanna narrow it down?), and are not linked yet... so one central Napster server doesn't describe the structure well.
You're right that napster has many different server and that these servers (unfortunately) aren't yet threaded. However, those are not the "central napster server" I was talking about. What I was talking about comes before that. When you start a Napster connection, your client first connects to one of the two central servers, 208.184.216.222 and 208.184.216.222. These servers contain lists of all of the other servers that you are referring to. Your client is then told by the central server which of the other servers it should connect to (the one with the least number of people currently on it) so that users are evenly distributed, and no one tries to connect to a server that's full. However, if your client can't connect to one of the central servers, it won't be able to connect to anything. This is why schools that block Napster access (luckily, mine has made a statement saying that they won't be one of them) just have to block these two servers.
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The Open Source community should just start a new project to develop a non-blockable Nabster clone.
Well, there already is an open-source Napster clone, gnap. However, it is designed to be like Napster, thus it is not unblockable (although it might be more so because there could be lots of people running servers, rather than the one central Napster server). Thus, it does seem like a good idea to have an open source Gnutella-style program. But, before we build one from scratch, what kind of license does Gnutella use? If it's anything like the GPL, it would be silly to create a new one from scratch. Even if AOL decides to stop Nullsoft from working on Gnutella, it doesn't matter because the open source community can take its code and extend it.
So, has anyone read the Gnutella license? If so, please explain how much freedom it gives others to modify and redistribute the code. Thanks.
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Don't tell me about the legal uses for napster. That's BS.
'Fraid not. I have plenty of legitimate use for napster, particularly when I use it to search for Dead shows other people have in mp3 format. The system of people sharing the shows and downloading them from each other works the same as tape trading has worked for decades, except that in mp3 format the shows don't degrade with each copy like tapes.
Furthermore, allowing legal mp3s to spread through trading is better than forcing everyone to get them from the official band web site or from mp3.com, like you suggest they do, because one server doesn't store them all and handle all the load. If the internet has taught you anything, it should be that this kind of decentralization is good.
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And it doesn't ship with a modem, it'll be an add-on purchase. Again, Sony is on crack.
I think it's great that they didn't release it with a modem. Afterall, why should I be forced to pay for another modem that I have no use for? My Dreamcast essentially cost $100 (or $50 or however much) more because it included a modem, but I'm on a college campus and my internet acces is through ethernet. I'm not going to pay sega or some ISP a monthly few to get internet access just for my dreamcast, so essentially the modem is a waste. The same goes for anyone with a cable modem or dsl. Why should sony force people to pay for a modem when they can instead let them choose later if they want to buy a modem, a cable modem or nothing, depending on what they'll actually use? Good job, sony.
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I don't think she's talking about high school. She says:
>Boys are wilder and more aggressive. So when >there is computer time available, they will push >the girls off.
I don't remember having "computer time" in high school (was that after nap time?). I think she is referring to when kids are in elementary school and have time to play on the computer.
I remember in the third grade, we had an Apple ][, and the boys would all crowd around during free time to play games. Any third grade class with a computer for the kids to play on won't have it "collect dust". They're popular playthings. And the boys usually get to them first. It seems to me that the argument that boys who have grown up playing on computers as kids will be more likely to see them as their friends and pursue them in high school, and then college, does "hold water", although I doubt it's really the main factor controlling what people end up studying.
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My experience was different from that. When I took AP comp sci my sophomore year in high school, the gender ratio of the class was almost 50/50. Junior year, I took classes in assembly language and graphics. These classes were for people who had completed AP. Unlike AP, they had a lot more males than females. Later, I was involved in our Computer Science Team (which was involved in competitions like the USACO) and found it to be almost entirely male. Finally, I was part of the "Z-Team" who was in charge of administering the school network; that group was entirely male. It seemed pretty clear that the higher up you went, the less females there were. There were plenty of girls and guys who wanted to learn some simple programming, none of the girls ended up pursuing it very far while some of the guys did.I assume then that very few of these girls went on to major in CS at college (which I'm doing). There are definitely less females in the computer science classes here percentage-wise than in AP in high school.
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In writing especially "modern" writing there is a type of writing called stream of conciousness writing. Usually this is seen in poetry or short monologes or perhaps in Absurdist drama
Stream of consciousness is also seen in novels. For example, Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf is a novel written entirely in stream of consciousness. The book actually contains a series of streams since it tends to jump at random from one character's head to another.
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But then I remembered Bezos' defense of his companies' patents. He said that he felt as much as we do that they're bad, but he had to use them because everyone else did and they were necessary to compete.
Unfortunately, this lawsuit will only further convince amazon that everyone is using patents and lawsuits and they must too in order to be competitive. As a matter of fact, our attempts to convince amazon to change it's position on this issue may be seriously set back. This is a sad, sad day...
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
Then for your benefit (and that of the other 80% of people posting who also didn't read the article) I'll summarize since I did read it: "Some of the people using the internet happen to be female. This qualifies as a revolution, which makes it in some way I won't specify related to open source software. A site aimed at women is run by a former coworker of mine." Earthshattering news indeed.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
I think the only think worse that infinite recursion is infinite recursion.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
Oddly, www.dottv.tv doesn't go to dotTV at all. (It redirects to find.com, a different idealab company). If you had your own TLD don't you think you'd use it for your company?
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
The Apex player isn't what this guy is asking for at all. He wants a portable cd player that plays mp3s. The Apex is not portable at all. For that, big deal, I'll hook my computer up to me to my speakers/tv. And, as far as I know, the Pine isn't available yet.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
This country was founded with a "thumbing your nose at the status quo" mentality. Although it may have not been a pure and unified movement it was illegal(at the time) and effective. Another foundation of this great land of ours is capitalism. Which "country" and "land" are you referring to? There is nothing in your post that says where you're from.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
MP3.com tries to make money off of artists in ways that are at least as bad as any record company. I don't remember details, but I have certainly read about that and it does seem to be the case. If anyone can post specifics or links to anything on that topic it would be appreciated. None of us like record companies, but that doesn't mean we must embrace MP3.com as the solution.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
Still, I'm not saying that I like record companies or dislike Napster. As a matter of fact, I wrote the NHF on using napster and playing mp3s under linux for linuxnewbie.org. And I agree with you that that Salon article was just the RIAA party line (although they have also written several pro-Napster articles). I was merely pointing out that the Signal 11's post was incorrect on the issue of touring.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
Not at all. The only people who actually do better than break even on the road are a few bands who are huge draws. Almost all artists break even or even lose money on tours as a way of generating interest so they sell albums. In the article Artists to Napster: Drop dead! the argument that people trading copyrighted mp3s is ok because the artists can make the money back on the road is discussed and one singer says:
"It's laughable. Those people have no idea how the music business works. Because unless you're Alanis Morissette or Dave Mathews, you're not making money on the road. It's all I can do to break even on tour. And the only reason to tour is to promote the sale of my CD."
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
Neo never says that, it's the buddha-looking kid with him in the waiting room for the Oracle.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
Just because it's legal doesn't mean Napster has to allow it. It's their network and servers so thet can place restriction on their use, including not allowing you to trade files other than MP3s. For now they're not, but I figure that probably because trying to stop Wrapster would be more trouble than it's worth at this point. If it really catches on and Napster is overwhelmed with people who are sharing and searching for warez, they might change their minds.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
No, sorry, I missed that one. If it's relevant to what's happending here, could you please explain or provide a link as to what the "Gumby incident" was? Thanks.
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Here's a link to an article in the crimson stating pretty clearly that the school decided not to restrict Napster use: http://www.thecrimson.com/f e atures/article.asp?ref=5567
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I'm not supporting piracy or copyright enfringement. I'm supporting allowing people to trade tapes of shows which are legal and uncopyrighted. Any Dead show that hasn't been released as an official live album can be traded freely, as long as it is not sold or in some way used for profit.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
The official napster servers are many, more than 10 and less than 1000... (someone wanna narrow it down?), and are not linked yet... so one central Napster server doesn't describe the structure well.
You're right that napster has many different server and that these servers (unfortunately) aren't yet threaded. However, those are not the "central napster server" I was talking about. What I was talking about comes before that. When you start a Napster connection, your client first connects to one of the two central servers, 208.184.216.222 and 208.184.216.222. These servers contain lists of all of the other servers that you are referring to. Your client is then told by the central server which of the other servers it should connect to (the one with the least number of people currently on it) so that users are evenly distributed, and no one tries to connect to a server that's full. However, if your client can't connect to one of the central servers, it won't be able to connect to anything. This is why schools that block Napster access (luckily, mine has made a statement saying that they won't be one of them) just have to block these two servers.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
The Open Source community should just start a new project to develop a non-blockable Nabster clone.
Well, there already is an open-source Napster clone, gnap. However, it is designed to be like Napster, thus it is not unblockable (although it might be more so because there could be lots of people running servers, rather than the one central Napster server). Thus, it does seem like a good idea to have an open source Gnutella-style program. But, before we build one from scratch, what kind of license does Gnutella use? If it's anything like the GPL, it would be silly to create a new one from scratch. Even if AOL decides to stop Nullsoft from working on Gnutella, it doesn't matter because the open source community can take its code and extend it.
So, has anyone read the Gnutella license? If so, please explain how much freedom it gives others to modify and redistribute the code. Thanks.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
Don't tell me about the legal uses for napster. That's BS.
'Fraid not. I have plenty of legitimate use for napster, particularly when I use it to search for Dead shows other people have in mp3 format. The system of people sharing the shows and downloading them from each other works the same as tape trading has worked for decades, except that in mp3 format the shows don't degrade with each copy like tapes.
Furthermore, allowing legal mp3s to spread through trading is better than forcing everyone to get them from the official band web site or from mp3.com, like you suggest they do, because one server doesn't store them all and handle all the load. If the internet has taught you anything, it should be that this kind of decentralization is good.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
And it doesn't ship with a modem, it'll be an add-on purchase. Again, Sony is on crack.
I think it's great that they didn't release it with a modem. Afterall, why should I be forced to pay for another modem that I have no use for? My Dreamcast essentially cost $100 (or $50 or however much) more because it included a modem, but I'm on a college campus and my internet acces is through ethernet. I'm not going to pay sega or some ISP a monthly few to get internet access just for my dreamcast, so essentially the modem is a waste. The same goes for anyone with a cable modem or dsl. Why should sony force people to pay for a modem when they can instead let them choose later if they want to buy a modem, a cable modem or nothing, depending on what they'll actually use? Good job, sony.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
I do remember the advice in Steal This Book after the explanation of how to roll a joint:
Don't use needle drugs. The only dope worth shooting is Nixon.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
I don't think she's talking about high school. She says:
>Boys are wilder and more aggressive. So when
>there is computer time available, they will push
>the girls off.
I don't remember having "computer time" in high school (was that after nap time?). I think she is referring to when kids are in elementary school and have time to play on the computer.
I remember in the third grade, we had an Apple ][, and the boys would all crowd around during free time to play games. Any third grade class with a computer for the kids to play on won't have it "collect dust". They're popular playthings. And the boys usually get to them first. It seems to me that the argument that boys who have grown up playing on computers as kids will be more likely to see them as their friends and pursue them in high school, and then college, does "hold water", although I doubt it's really the main factor controlling what people end up studying.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
My experience was different from that. When I took AP comp sci my sophomore year in high school, the gender ratio of the class was almost 50/50. Junior year, I took classes in assembly language and graphics. These classes were for people who had completed AP. Unlike AP, they had a lot more males than females. Later, I was involved in our Computer Science Team (which was involved in competitions like the USACO) and found it to be almost entirely male. Finally, I was part of the "Z-Team" who was in charge of administering the school network; that group was entirely male. It seemed pretty clear that the higher up you went, the less females there were. There were plenty of girls and guys who wanted to learn some simple programming, none of the girls ended up pursuing it very far while some of the guys did.I assume then that very few of these girls went on to major in CS at college (which I'm doing). There are definitely less females in the computer science classes here percentage-wise than in AP in high school.
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land
In writing especially "modern" writing there is a type of writing called stream of conciousness writing. Usually this is seen in poetry or short monologes or perhaps in Absurdist drama
Stream of consciousness is also seen in novels. For example, Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf is a novel written entirely in stream of consciousness. The book actually contains a series of streams since it tends to jump at random from one character's head to another.
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That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
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> Only re-transmission and copying of copyrighted MP3s is illegal.
Unless you have the express written consent of Major League Baseball.
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