As much as I hate it, Direc is also inferior to H.264. Not only technically, but support of it sucks and it has seeking problems (at least with the currently available players, where it sometimes takes many seconds after a seek to playback again).
What is most interesting though is what Google will do with On2 - they're the only ones that could completely change the game.
It's not like it's really hard for a browser to provide links to those downloads. Whatever the results will be, we will have at most H.264 and Theora. H.264 is already included in any recent Windows and Mac OS X (Linux users probably can figure out how to install it on their own). Only thing a browser needs to do is provide a download link to Theora, if it ever does catch on.
My point is that you can easily get the same performance by just getting another gfx card and put it in SLI/CrossFire. It costs, sure, but it's not like it's technically impossible.
It's all nice and all, but if open video technology really wants to win, they have to be technically better. There is no other way.
However it's nice to see Open Video Alliance trying to partner with Wikipedia. In addition to being technically better, that's another aspect you need to take care of. You need to make sure websites, TV, phone, computer and so on manufacturers support your technology. You have to work with them to get it supported - not just put it out there and hope it catches up because its "open", because that's not going to happen. Personally I would also hate to see technically inferior solution being used, as it would eat huge amount of bandwidth. Theora just isn't on the same table with H.264 for Internet video. Theora is based on VP5 from On2 and now that Google acquired them, they're going at VP8.
As far as having a single standard for HTML5 video goes, Theora lost. H.264 is and has been already everywhere and on every device. I also suspect majority of sites will use H.264, as that's what is being used with Flash already.
However, what I see happening (and hope) is HTML5 Video tag being released without requiring support for a single codec, just like img tag is. Then browsers can either implement their own support, use third party tool like gstreamer (like Opera does) or just depend on OS (what I suspect IE and Safari will do). Firefox is still having their ideological problems, but I'm pretty sure they will start using gstreamer too.
What I'm more worried about is that I cannot watch Wikipedia videos with any other device than my PC. Want to see a video clip of a place you're traveling on your phone? Not possible. Want to see videos from Wikipedia with your PS3/360? Not possible. It will create some serious problems, and I don't think Wikipedia is big enough to push the change alone.
Half the performance doesn't really have much point. I currently have two identical graphics cards in SLI, so the other card can be rendering image for right eye and the other one for left. You get quite much the same performance as with single card and no 3D.
Of course it's quite much like Hi-Fi stuff. Some people want to go the extra mile, and the extra immersion it gives is great. Those red/blue glasses, no, but polarized is quite nice already.
Frankly, 3D does make a bad movie better. If I have to watch a bad movie (some of us on slashdot have girlfriends/wifes), I rather watch it in 3D so at least I get kick out of the 3D immersion.
They're still a minority. I've only seen polarized glasses now that these 3D movies came again.
But hell, when it was a new thing I even played Left4Dead in 3D with NVIDIA's 3D Vision. Expect that I went the cheap way and just used red-cyan (or maybe some else) glasses as the feature is build-in with normal nvidia drivers too. The experience is definitely more cool and works really well with some games. Those incoming hordes of zombies really do scare you. If I had more cash I would probably buy that set and some supported monitor, as it does make a difference in games.
HTC makes mostly touch screen phones and they are Windows Mobile's best supporter. Windows Mobile 7 will also be more like iPhone and Android, and with full 3D XNA games and acceleration. Not exactly for business use, but for entertainment.
Yeah, because an airplane in a few miles with only thermal vision on has the same accuracy than when a sniper is stalking and on a good opportunity targeting and shooting a target.
What a complete piece of FUD article. Nowhere in the original post he say anything about Linux or using this to attack Linux or Open Source in general. In fact, this is a guy who has previously wrote this about Microsoft open sourcing:
Some observers question how a company can contribute to open source projects while, at the same time, insisting on respect of its intellectual property rights by its competitors. In fact, these two things are not inconsistent, and striking a balance between them is one of the key things every commercial technology company must do in order to compete effectively in a mixed source world.
Yeah, it really seems like his out there to destroy Linux.
Did the article writer also forget that Microsoft does Windows Mobile? He says " one that doesn't even involve Microsoft directly.". How does mobile market not concern Microsoft directly when it's making Windows Mobile, an OS that HTC has always been it's flagship manufacturer.
Then completely out of context he quotes Bill Gates words from 1976, 34 years ago, how programmers should be paid for their work instead of doing everything for free. Did he just completely ignore how well funded Linux and some other OSS projects actually are? Mozilla alone brings in $80 million a year.
It's not about destroying Linux, it's about making some sense to patent fights in mobile markets.
Maybe CNN implies that Google searching should be more social and have a wall and status updates of what their friends have searched for. More social googling could also mean planning a trip together, searching for Linux information together, or even looking at porn together.
It takes some talent, but if you have played Bad Company 2 you know how great the sound environment is. Voice acting doesn't sound as bad when rest of the sounds are done correctly and when having a dynamic sound world. It's amazing how good it sounds in BC2 - you hear close things like team mates talking, huge explosions and everything happening around and in distance, and voice and gun sounds sound different inside and outside buildings.
If you're only listening to talking, even mediocre voice acting will sound bad. Surrounded with all the other sounds in the world and it doesn't sound so bad anymore. However, it doesn't mean it all has to be explosions and high volume - while sneaking in a jungle you could hear the grass you're walking on, leafs, bugs, and your team mate whispering to you while at the same time hearing distant sounds. It takes the whole thing to make one part of it to feel good.
Oh, nice amount of talking without knowing anything here. I suggest you take a look at Public-key cryptography. There is no way you're going to crack such + RSA by "monitoring cleartext". If you do, and sure let us know when that happens, you're just pwned every single government, bank, company, telecommunications line and Internet in the world.
And some early version of IE (5 maybe?) showed PNG colors slightly incorrectly and with no transparency support, making it pretty much unusable. I still have nightmares about those slightly incorrect colors and keep thinking I should use GIF/JPG instead of PNG.
After repeatedly attempting to go around rather than crush the man, the lead tank stopped its engines, and the armored vehicles behind it seemed to follow suit. There was a pause for a short period of time with the man and the tanks having reached a quiet, still impasse.
...
After ending the conversation, the man alighted from the tank. The tank commander briefly emerged from his hatch, and the tanks restarted their engines, ready to continue on. At that point, the man, who was still standing within a meter or two from the side of the lead tank, leapt in front of the vehicle once again and quickly reestablished the man-tank standoff. Video footage shows that two figures in blue attire then pulled the man away and absorbed him into the crowd; the tanks continued on their way.
In August 1999, Unisys changed the details of their licensing practice, announcing the option for owners of Billboard and Intra net Web sites to obtain licenses on payment of a one-time license fee of $5000 or $7500.[15] Such licenses were not required for website owners or other GIF users who had used licensed software to generate GIFs. Nevertheless, Unisys was the subject of thousands of online attacks and abusive emails from users believing that they were going to be charged $5000 or sued for using GIFs on their websites.[16] Despite giving free licenses to hundreds of non-profit organizations, schools and governments, Unisys was completely unable to generate any good publicity and continued to be vilified by individuals and organizations such as the League for Programming Freedom who started the "Burn All GIFs" campaign.[17]
The US LZW patent expired on June 20, 2003.[18] The counterpart patents in the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Italy expired on June 18, 2004, the Japanese counterpart patents expired on June 20, 2004 and the counterpart Canadian patent expired on July 7, 2004.[18] Consequently, while Unisys has further patents and patent applications relating to improvements to the LZW technique,[18] the GIF format may now be used freely.
I don't think MPEG-LA is so stupid that it will try anything similar. In that case they also even didn't try to get licenses from 99% of websites. MPEG-LA has a long history in video formats and their usage on the Internet and other devices, it would be stupid of them to start charging individual websites and users.
Users aren't using IE6 because they haven't been prompted to update (they are with Windows Update), they're using IE6 because it's a workplace and a lot of intranet web applications only work with it. Other than that, Firefox surpassed IE6 in market share already.
idk just seams like it would only work better for when the java script is a certain size...
What does this even mean? Size has nothing to do with it, and how is IE supposed to "pre-compile" javascripts it fetches from the websites?
But overall compiling (quickly, and taking advantage of multi-cores) then running is a lot faster approach than running non-compiled code all the time. Especially with AJAX sites most of the javascript isn't even executed right away but when user clicks something, and then it's already compiled and fast code.
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As much as I hate it, Direc is also inferior to H.264. Not only technically, but support of it sucks and it has seeking problems (at least with the currently available players, where it sometimes takes many seconds after a seek to playback again).
What is most interesting though is what Google will do with On2 - they're the only ones that could completely change the game.
It's not like it's really hard for a browser to provide links to those downloads. Whatever the results will be, we will have at most H.264 and Theora. H.264 is already included in any recent Windows and Mac OS X (Linux users probably can figure out how to install it on their own). Only thing a browser needs to do is provide a download link to Theora, if it ever does catch on.
My point is that you can easily get the same performance by just getting another gfx card and put it in SLI/CrossFire. It costs, sure, but it's not like it's technically impossible.
It's all nice and all, but if open video technology really wants to win, they have to be technically better. There is no other way.
However it's nice to see Open Video Alliance trying to partner with Wikipedia. In addition to being technically better, that's another aspect you need to take care of. You need to make sure websites, TV, phone, computer and so on manufacturers support your technology. You have to work with them to get it supported - not just put it out there and hope it catches up because its "open", because that's not going to happen. Personally I would also hate to see technically inferior solution being used, as it would eat huge amount of bandwidth. Theora just isn't on the same table with H.264 for Internet video. Theora is based on VP5 from On2 and now that Google acquired them, they're going at VP8.
As far as having a single standard for HTML5 video goes, Theora lost. H.264 is and has been already everywhere and on every device. I also suspect majority of sites will use H.264, as that's what is being used with Flash already.
However, what I see happening (and hope) is HTML5 Video tag being released without requiring support for a single codec, just like img tag is. Then browsers can either implement their own support, use third party tool like gstreamer (like Opera does) or just depend on OS (what I suspect IE and Safari will do). Firefox is still having their ideological problems, but I'm pretty sure they will start using gstreamer too.
What I'm more worried about is that I cannot watch Wikipedia videos with any other device than my PC. Want to see a video clip of a place you're traveling on your phone? Not possible. Want to see videos from Wikipedia with your PS3/360? Not possible. It will create some serious problems, and I don't think Wikipedia is big enough to push the change alone.
I don't know about that, but you got me interested because of Kristen Bell.
I don't know about anti-theft tags, but they don't let you walk off with them - theres a staff person collecting them when you leave.
Many girls like to watch kids movies.
To add to the mix, everyone here calls it digi camera :-)
Half the performance doesn't really have much point. I currently have two identical graphics cards in SLI, so the other card can be rendering image for right eye and the other one for left. You get quite much the same performance as with single card and no 3D.
Of course it's quite much like Hi-Fi stuff. Some people want to go the extra mile, and the extra immersion it gives is great. Those red/blue glasses, no, but polarized is quite nice already.
But whats the status on holographic 3D? What I found looks quite limited.
Frankly, 3D does make a bad movie better. If I have to watch a bad movie (some of us on slashdot have girlfriends/wifes), I rather watch it in 3D so at least I get kick out of the 3D immersion.
They're still a minority. I've only seen polarized glasses now that these 3D movies came again.
But hell, when it was a new thing I even played Left4Dead in 3D with NVIDIA's 3D Vision. Expect that I went the cheap way and just used red-cyan (or maybe some else) glasses as the feature is build-in with normal nvidia drivers too. The experience is definitely more cool and works really well with some games. Those incoming hordes of zombies really do scare you. If I had more cash I would probably buy that set and some supported monitor, as it does make a difference in games.
It looks like they used the Facebook Connect button to leave a comment, hence the F pictures and names in the comments.
Still, hilarious.
HTC makes mostly touch screen phones and they are Windows Mobile's best supporter. Windows Mobile 7 will also be more like iPhone and Android, and with full 3D XNA games and acceleration. Not exactly for business use, but for entertainment.
Yeah, because an airplane in a few miles with only thermal vision on has the same accuracy than when a sniper is stalking and on a good opportunity targeting and shooting a target.
What a complete piece of FUD article. Nowhere in the original post he say anything about Linux or using this to attack Linux or Open Source in general. In fact, this is a guy who has previously wrote this about Microsoft open sourcing:
Some observers question how a company can contribute to open source projects while, at the same time, insisting on respect of its intellectual property rights by its competitors. In fact, these two things are not inconsistent, and striking a balance between them is one of the key things every commercial technology company must do in order to compete effectively in a mixed source world.
Yeah, it really seems like his out there to destroy Linux.
Did the article writer also forget that Microsoft does Windows Mobile? He says " one that doesn't even involve Microsoft directly.". How does mobile market not concern Microsoft directly when it's making Windows Mobile, an OS that HTC has always been it's flagship manufacturer.
Then completely out of context he quotes Bill Gates words from 1976, 34 years ago, how programmers should be paid for their work instead of doing everything for free. Did he just completely ignore how well funded Linux and some other OSS projects actually are? Mozilla alone brings in $80 million a year.
It's not about destroying Linux, it's about making some sense to patent fights in mobile markets.
Maybe CNN implies that Google searching should be more social and have a wall and status updates of what their friends have searched for. More social googling could also mean planning a trip together, searching for Linux information together, or even looking at porn together.
It takes some talent, but if you have played Bad Company 2 you know how great the sound environment is. Voice acting doesn't sound as bad when rest of the sounds are done correctly and when having a dynamic sound world. It's amazing how good it sounds in BC2 - you hear close things like team mates talking, huge explosions and everything happening around and in distance, and voice and gun sounds sound different inside and outside buildings.
If you're only listening to talking, even mediocre voice acting will sound bad. Surrounded with all the other sounds in the world and it doesn't sound so bad anymore. However, it doesn't mean it all has to be explosions and high volume - while sneaking in a jungle you could hear the grass you're walking on, leafs, bugs, and your team mate whispering to you while at the same time hearing distant sounds. It takes the whole thing to make one part of it to feel good.
Oh, nice amount of talking without knowing anything here. I suggest you take a look at Public-key cryptography. There is no way you're going to crack such + RSA by "monitoring cleartext". If you do, and sure let us know when that happens, you're just pwned every single government, bank, company, telecommunications line and Internet in the world.
Duh, C&C 4 came out today, he's obviously talking about that.
And some early version of IE (5 maybe?) showed PNG colors slightly incorrectly and with no transparency support, making it pretty much unusable. I still have nightmares about those slightly incorrect colors and keep thinking I should use GIF/JPG instead of PNG.
You might want to read about it a bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man
After repeatedly attempting to go around rather than crush the man, the lead tank stopped its engines, and the armored vehicles behind it seemed to follow suit. There was a pause for a short period of time with the man and the tanks having reached a quiet, still impasse.
After ending the conversation, the man alighted from the tank. The tank commander briefly emerged from his hatch, and the tanks restarted their engines, ready to continue on. At that point, the man, who was still standing within a meter or two from the side of the lead tank, leapt in front of the vehicle once again and quickly reestablished the man-tank standoff. Video footage shows that two figures in blue attire then pulled the man away and absorbed him into the crowd; the tanks continued on their way.
GIF is also patented format and had an uproar before as they required license fees from applications that output GIF.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Interchange_Format#Unisys_and_LZW_patent_enforcement
In August 1999, Unisys changed the details of their licensing practice, announcing the option for owners of Billboard and Intra net Web sites to obtain licenses on payment of a one-time license fee of $5000 or $7500.[15] Such licenses were not required for website owners or other GIF users who had used licensed software to generate GIFs. Nevertheless, Unisys was the subject of thousands of online attacks and abusive emails from users believing that they were going to be charged $5000 or sued for using GIFs on their websites.[16] Despite giving free licenses to hundreds of non-profit organizations, schools and governments, Unisys was completely unable to generate any good publicity and continued to be vilified by individuals and organizations such as the League for Programming Freedom who started the "Burn All GIFs" campaign.[17]
The US LZW patent expired on June 20, 2003.[18] The counterpart patents in the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Italy expired on June 18, 2004, the Japanese counterpart patents expired on June 20, 2004 and the counterpart Canadian patent expired on July 7, 2004.[18] Consequently, while Unisys has further patents and patent applications relating to improvements to the LZW technique,[18] the GIF format may now be used freely.
I don't think MPEG-LA is so stupid that it will try anything similar. In that case they also even didn't try to get licenses from 99% of websites. MPEG-LA has a long history in video formats and their usage on the Internet and other devices, it would be stupid of them to start charging individual websites and users.
Users aren't using IE6 because they haven't been prompted to update (they are with Windows Update), they're using IE6 because it's a workplace and a lot of intranet web applications only work with it. Other than that, Firefox surpassed IE6 in market share already.
idk just seams like it would only work better for when the java script is a certain size...
What does this even mean? Size has nothing to do with it, and how is IE supposed to "pre-compile" javascripts it fetches from the websites?
But overall compiling (quickly, and taking advantage of multi-cores) then running is a lot faster approach than running non-compiled code all the time. Especially with AJAX sites most of the javascript isn't even executed right away but when user clicks something, and then it's already compiled and fast code.
Once free and open Internet? What is Flash then? It's both proprietary closed platform and H.264.
It's of course H.264 but for different reasons - Windows 7 has build-in support for H.264, and Theora kind of lost the war already.