I mostly do agree with you. Fallen Earth put me off too. But it's not like there isn't any market for other kind of MMO's or people that would enjoy them. As soon as Haven & Hearth will get their pathfinding and other beta quirks solved I think I'll be playing it full time, as it's exactly what I want - Build freedomly everywhere you want to, but still have PVP and other usual aspects.
Besides that I've enjoyed MW2 and BC2 lately. They have semi-similar aspect in multiplayer to MMO's. Leveling, perks and so on.
I think MMO's will be there to serve everyone at some point tho.
Why would you pay for any game you don't think isn't fun? However, many gamers find MMO's fun.
I have played WoW and while I still think its too much grinding and too less PVP, I still think it would be quite fun if I just had the time now. But I like crafting and building the world (I coded a similar project as a teen, even spend my school hours thinking how the AI would interact:), so I currently play Haven & Hearth beta, even if it's a little bit buggy but I like the concept.
Do you actually play WoW? They release new patches and new dungeons and raid areas often. It's the larger changes like completely new areas and races that come with expansions.
Well, as the previous posters illustrate, sometimes there just isn't anything to do.
Also, a software developer firm's boss once told me one of his best worker liked to play Civilization during work day but he didn't really have a problem with that, as it helped him unwind for a bit and then continue working even better. Relaxing for a bit often gives better results than just trying to push it to the limits.
Your view is kind of screwed as well, or you just haven't looked good enough. There is more to MMO's than just World of Warcraft.
Fallen Earth is a great fallout like MMO with crafting etc Lego Universe will have building with lego blocks among normal MMO like things Haven & Hearth is in beta and is extremely open MMO with no quests in it's own - you build your own place, maybe go raid other peoples places if you want to. Almost with endless possibilities (even if somewhat buggy still as its beta) Eve Online also has a lot of aspects unusual in the casual MMO games. Successor for Ultima Online is coming this year. And countless of other MMO's available and development that should cover every need of a gamer.
Please try to look past World of Warcraft next time.
Why should it be free though? Users paying for it means continuous development and better content.
And really guys. It's $10 a month. You spend that amount on 4-5 beers. You spent multiple amount of that when you go out. Even a single movie costs that. If something these MMO's give a great return in the amount of hours wasted in entertainment. I get off your lawns now, but please try to think a bit before just shouting "this is how it was in the old days"
Actually that's a good question. A friend of mine is a programmer and he plays various games all day long. He is not really in a software development firm though, but a software developer at a firm who's business is in "real things", so he probably has the time. I wouldn't mind either playing 2-3 hours left4dead session during work day...
I don't think so, as Zynga alone brings in over a billion a year. They're actually alone competing around the same level on revenue as EA and only with Facebook games.
That's how it should be too. When you're dead you're dead and theres no going back. I dislike how lightly people sometimes take someone else dying, especially by some idiot who felt like robbing a store or bank and just had to shoot someone.
Yeah good job linking me to a 200-page PDF file. Please paste those imbalances and differences in what is being exported if they actually matter.
And like another poster here pointed out, if you're going to do an US vs EU compare, you have to look at it at whole EU scale. In that case it's pretty much the same amount (except that 4% more in export GDP compared to US)
That's because US is a single country while EU is many different countries with several languages, and I would also like to keep it that way.
Regarding trade, EU mandates it to be open within EU countries. On top of that you can also freely live and work in any other EU member country. This is in my opinion the best compromise between independent countries and free trading, movement and living within EU area.
The EU can portray itself as the hero to the people
You do know EU has a lot different system than US? First theres different political systems in all of their member countries, most of them who actually do have 6-8 different parties that have saying over things. EU doesn't need to portray itself as an hero to the people - it pretty much is the EU people, and that's why it will fight ACTA.
(btw, I've seen you shouting bullshit in many different areas, from running trackers to some china government and now this - do you even know what you're talking about?)
Also, are you really serious about us economy being closed? Did you forget China and Taiwan, the Indian coders and phone support, even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore? You can't be serious.
Exactly this. Most of the government services in my country are being moved to over internet too (or at least trying to), so cutting down ones Internet connection wouldn't cut. It is really required in current day.
It's getting heated up in my country too. People are demanding answers from politicians, but even they don't know what the fuck is going on. ACTA is seriously the kind of secrecy movement that should not be allowed. It's good to see we actually have some backbone. My image towards EU has growth a lot with this.
Obviously, that's the legal side of things.. I still don't think it's the correct thing to do. Apple has become the most dickhead company in the industry, far surpassing Microsoft or any other. Completely locked-down model, asshole contracts with developers etc.. Sure they're legally allowed to do so, but it's assholish move nevertheless.
That's like saying don't develop your games for Windows and allowing Microsoft to set a lot of restrictions and control over it. There's little next to nothing more options. It still doesn't mean that big corporations should be allowed to fuck over the small guys and put them into some asshole contract.
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I mostly do agree with you. Fallen Earth put me off too. But it's not like there isn't any market for other kind of MMO's or people that would enjoy them. As soon as Haven & Hearth will get their pathfinding and other beta quirks solved I think I'll be playing it full time, as it's exactly what I want - Build freedomly everywhere you want to, but still have PVP and other usual aspects.
Besides that I've enjoyed MW2 and BC2 lately. They have semi-similar aspect in multiplayer to MMO's. Leveling, perks and so on.
I think MMO's will be there to serve everyone at some point tho.
Well it's obvious the whole purpose of this is to ga*NO CARRIER*
Why would you pay for any game you don't think isn't fun? However, many gamers find MMO's fun.
I have played WoW and while I still think its too much grinding and too less PVP, I still think it would be quite fun if I just had the time now. But I like crafting and building the world (I coded a similar project as a teen, even spend my school hours thinking how the AI would interact :), so I currently play Haven & Hearth beta, even if it's a little bit buggy but I like the concept.
So then buy it where its cheaper.
I just looked Civilization III on Steam and its 4,99e with all the expansions. That's not low priced enough for you?
And then you fuck them and forget about em. What's the problem?
Good for you. While otherwise we other enjoy the games while you can't put up with $10 a month which you probably spend on a few beers for 1 hour.
Uh, what? Even on Steam they're all on low priced sale. All of them.
But neither of you or the GP is correct. WoW and its expansions are also sold for really low prices now a days.
Do you actually play WoW? They release new patches and new dungeons and raid areas often. It's the larger changes like completely new areas and races that come with expansions.
Well, as the previous posters illustrate, sometimes there just isn't anything to do.
Also, a software developer firm's boss once told me one of his best worker liked to play Civilization during work day but he didn't really have a problem with that, as it helped him unwind for a bit and then continue working even better. Relaxing for a bit often gives better results than just trying to push it to the limits.
Sure, I could put on nice, expensive Italian slippers, but nobody would see that. That fat limo, OTOH...
I see you don't know what girls look first thing when they meet a guy.
Your view is kind of screwed as well, or you just haven't looked good enough. There is more to MMO's than just World of Warcraft.
Fallen Earth is a great fallout like MMO with crafting etc
Lego Universe will have building with lego blocks among normal MMO like things
Haven & Hearth is in beta and is extremely open MMO with no quests in it's own - you build your own place, maybe go raid other peoples places if you want to. Almost with endless possibilities (even if somewhat buggy still as its beta)
Eve Online also has a lot of aspects unusual in the casual MMO games.
Successor for Ultima Online is coming this year.
And countless of other MMO's available and development that should cover every need of a gamer.
Please try to look past World of Warcraft next time.
Yeah and if someone is interested what the math error is, he assumed year income of $1.8 billion as being monthly.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1.8+billion+%2F+46+million+%2F+12
= $3.2 a month.
Why should it be free though? Users paying for it means continuous development and better content.
And really guys. It's $10 a month. You spend that amount on 4-5 beers. You spent multiple amount of that when you go out. Even a single movie costs that. If something these MMO's give a great return in the amount of hours wasted in entertainment. I get off your lawns now, but please try to think a bit before just shouting "this is how it was in the old days"
Do you often play World of Warcraft at workplace?
Actually that's a good question. A friend of mine is a programmer and he plays various games all day long. He is not really in a software development firm though, but a software developer at a firm who's business is in "real things", so he probably has the time. I wouldn't mind either playing 2-3 hours left4dead session during work day...
I don't think so, as Zynga alone brings in over a billion a year. They're actually alone competing around the same level on revenue as EA and only with Facebook games.
Also this jet pack apparently works with fans instead of jets. Which is probably good news for your front lawn and your calves.
And someones head when you land next to him.
If these things go fast enough, why would you actually need a flying car? Everyone could just move with jetpacks.
That's how it should be too. When you're dead you're dead and theres no going back. I dislike how lightly people sometimes take someone else dying, especially by some idiot who felt like robbing a store or bank and just had to shoot someone.
Yeah good job linking me to a 200-page PDF file. Please paste those imbalances and differences in what is being exported if they actually matter.
And like another poster here pointed out, if you're going to do an US vs EU compare, you have to look at it at whole EU scale. In that case it's pretty much the same amount (except that 4% more in export GDP compared to US)
That's because US is a single country while EU is many different countries with several languages, and I would also like to keep it that way.
Regarding trade, EU mandates it to be open within EU countries. On top of that you can also freely live and work in any other EU member country. This is in my opinion the best compromise between independent countries and free trading, movement and living within EU area.
The EU can portray itself as the hero to the people
You do know EU has a lot different system than US? First theres different political systems in all of their member countries, most of them who actually do have 6-8 different parties that have saying over things. EU doesn't need to portray itself as an hero to the people - it pretty much is the EU people, and that's why it will fight ACTA.
(btw, I've seen you shouting bullshit in many different areas, from running trackers to some china government and now this - do you even know what you're talking about?)
Also, are you really serious about us economy being closed? Did you forget China and Taiwan, the Indian coders and phone support, even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore? You can't be serious.
Exactly this. Most of the government services in my country are being moved to over internet too (or at least trying to), so cutting down ones Internet connection wouldn't cut. It is really required in current day.
It's getting heated up in my country too. People are demanding answers from politicians, but even they don't know what the fuck is going on. ACTA is seriously the kind of secrecy movement that should not be allowed. It's good to see we actually have some backbone. My image towards EU has growth a lot with this.
Obviously, that's the legal side of things.. I still don't think it's the correct thing to do. Apple has become the most dickhead company in the industry, far surpassing Microsoft or any other. Completely locked-down model, asshole contracts with developers etc.. Sure they're legally allowed to do so, but it's assholish move nevertheless.
That's like saying don't develop your games for Windows and allowing Microsoft to set a lot of restrictions and control over it. There's little next to nothing more options. It still doesn't mean that big corporations should be allowed to fuck over the small guys and put them into some asshole contract.