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Interesting note in the article also was
Normally, game developers don’t have much cash. Like rock bands seeking a label to help pay for the cost of recording an album, game developers usually find a publisher to give them an advance in exchange for a big slice of the profits.
Since people usually complain about music labels being evil, would game developers survive without publishers that pay their costs? Sure, indie's do, but look at what happened to 3D Realms too, and they even financed lots from their own past revenues.
I dont think Xbox 360 was really lame. It was actually pretty good. Granted, I only bought mine in 2007 but it has worked great and so have my friends ones too.
Companies that charge you for their product have incentives to keep the customer happy so he reads good reviews about it, creates a subscription or purchase their newer products too. Open source software doesn't have such incentives and in increasing cases are financing the development with advertising.
Microsoft sells you the software, while with Google you get it for free so they can build a good profile about you for advertising purposes. You choose which one is better one, but I won't be touching Chrome OS or Android for that exact reason.
Firefox has its shortcomings too. Use of XUL makes the interface somewhat clumsy and slow. Quality of addons varies. I agree it is a lot better browser than IE, but if we compare to for example Opera you know all of it's features will be built with same consistent quality and work fast since they're integrated directly to the browser. There are of course opinions, but the UI responsivess is really easy to see and makes browsing a lot nicer.
Thunderbird lacks one major thing; gmail like conversation view. There's been bug report/feature request about it since like 2004, but no one has still managed to do.
Gimp vs. Photoshop is easy to see. Even Paint.NET is nicer to use imo. But at least Gimp developers are noticing the problem and trying to do better interface in up-coming versions.
VLC actually is a great program tho, powerful, lightweight and good even for a casual user especially with it's built-in codecs.
-1 Factually Incorrect would just call for "I don't agree with the poster, but instead of answering and correcting I just mod him down without telling what is incorrect" mods
Because instead of developing or providing support developing that said open source alternative, you start using closed source commercial application and get used to it. Probably let others know about it too and write a few tutorials (lets think Photoshop) on the internet and indirectly support the closed source software.
Why do you think Adobe doesn't really go after people who use Photoshop at home? They know really well those people couldn't pay for it for home usage. But there's still a huge community around Photoshop, it's the de facto photo editing software and some of those users that have gotten used to it are going to make their (maybe future) company to buy it.
The big difference is Linux is free. Android is not. It's open source and free to use, but you have to be kidding yourself if you don't think that Google makes money off of Android. It's tied into all of their services. It's pushing them more advertisement revenue. Linux is most definitely not developed around a business model to make money.
Even heard of Red Hat, Canonical or even Firefox that gets paid by Google to include them as the primary search engine?
Or how people are been telling for ages that "but you can make money with OSS by support and such things".
Advertising is the largest revenue model for OSS now. With proprietary software you pay the developer directly and you don't usually get fucked over by the developer by losing your privacy for advertisers. You get what you pay for.
And thus they are actually just destroying open source community by using the closed source apps and helping to spread their use to companies and other users.
Only because it's not really about open source mentality, it's about wanting it for free.
Exactly, and big part of the reason theres so many apps already is because innovation is greatly driven by money and many people want to jump in.
Actually if Android was limiting itself to only open source, free software I don't think there would be so many apps made. This is especially true because they usually lack in UI and graphical terms, where the first one is really important in mobile apps.
Whole Android would be a lot less open if it didn't let commercial software on it. Even Windows Mobile is more open because you can install any app on it, unlike with iPhone (no, jailbreaking doesn't count)
Contrast to php, where every script has to be loaded, interpreted, then flushed out of the system so it leaves a clean memory footprint for the next script, and where tons of variables that your script may never call have to be initialized each run. Obviously only compiling what you need and loading it once is more efficient:-)
You're forgetting all the php optimizers, script and chunks of code caching in bytecode and ram caching of scripts. These make a major difference, but are probably just used on larger websites (like on facebook)
Well what are they going for? 19th is saturday, not friday. Maybe they should had check little facts like those before yelling everyone to join their clause.
Insightful post. I must add that this applies to Russia as well, most people throwing stupid comments have never lived or visited any of those countries but are just doing so because of their mindset or that "Russia and China are bad and are there to destroy us!" propaganda.
Even more so it seems US people are just watching movies and base their reality image on them, and what else does hollywood love more than sensationalism and the usa vs china/russia set?
You're probably thinking from the using it or not aspect. It's somewhat accounted in the prices; they don't ask for the full costs of giving such support because they know everyone won't use them. They just calculate how many will and adjust prices based on that.
ISP's work the same way too (and many more areas of industry). There's no way they can provide everyone constant maximum of bandwidth they sell, but it works out ok because not everyone are using the max bandwidth all the time (well, it works with ISP's outside US at least).
Personally I would pay a little extra to get better support and extra services. If you've already paid a high price for the product, you might as well spend a few dollars more on such and avoid shit if you happen to need those services.
Earlier today, questions arose over a feature developed by a third-party vendor for our MSN China joint venture. We are working with our MSN China joint venture to investigate the situation.
Unfortunately, when these questions first arose, it was the middle of the night in China. Now that the day has begun in China, our teams are working hard to track down the information.
Here’s what we know at this point. Our MSN China joint venture contracted with an independent vendor to create a feature called MSN Juku that allowed MSN users to find friends via microblogging and online games. This MSN Juku feature was made available to MSN China users in November and is still in beta.
Because questions have been raised about the code base comprising the service, MSN China will be suspending access to the Juku beta feature temporarily while we investigate the matter fully.
We will provide additional information as we learn more.
Or has anyone seen the way Americans react to anything even resembling the mildest criticism of USA or it's people or how they try to shove their laws and "freedom" (the fact you cant smoke pot, can get up to 800 years in prison and are fucked over by RIAA really is freedom)?
You can say that about any country in the world.
Comments like the GP did really just make Americans seem more stupid and completely without knowledge about the other countries. Guess what, your government is master in shoving mindsets and specific thinking to its citizens. So much that I'll probably get lots of angry "no it isn't so, we have freedom!" to this reply. It's the true mind controlling.
> Enforceable primarily in the USA, to a smaller degree in a few friendly countries, and with a handful of other countries agreeing to extradite suspects, maybe, if we ask them politely enough on days of the month evenly divisible by 13.
That's not how it goes. USA is already part of many treaties, except that they always refuse to extradite their own citizens to other countries. In this case they probably want a one-way "treaty" too.
And I think this would be the same way that ACTA is - USA laws forced in to other countries. No thank you. And I'm pretty sure Russia and China don't want to introduce USA laws either, and with those countries out of it, is there any point?
But wonder what's going on inside the guy's head tho, he acts like he would be in an action movie:
As a search warrant was being executed on Valkovich, he attempted to transfer $440,000 from a victim's bank account and then jump from the roof of his apartment complex onto another building.
Valkovich also admitted that he asked the hitman to use a silencer and to commit the murder in a drive-by shooting.
[Valkovich] proposed that he kill both the original witness and the person Valkovich had attempted to hire for the first hit. This time Valkovich specified that one victim be shot and have his head cut off. Valkovich has pled guilty only to the first murder-for-hire.
The $10 billion number is gross revenue. It does not take into effect the costs
Cry me a fucking river.
Do you understand the basics of economy? Spend more, you usually bigger sum back too. It doesn't mean the income percentage is a lot larger. This is even more true when everything has to be larger, better and more impressive all the time.
The only reason Hollywood really survives is due to the masses who have no idea what a buck is worth, and are willing to part with a lot of them for a couple hours spent staring at a screen where the same plots are played out over and over again by different actors.
Who are YOU to judge what is worth some bucks for OTHER people and what they might find fun? I also hope you understand that not everyone who works in movies/tv business are filthy rich. Sure, if you're an idiot, you might think that everyone makes millions per movie for a few months work, but it really isn't so.
Even if you don't enjoy it, let other people make their own decisions on what they want to spend their money on and if they want to spend the night out with their girlfriends.
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so you are this guy?
Interesting note in the article also was
Normally, game developers don’t have much cash. Like rock bands seeking a label to help pay for the cost of recording an album, game developers usually find a publisher to give them an advance in exchange for a big slice of the profits.
Since people usually complain about music labels being evil, would game developers survive without publishers that pay their costs? Sure, indie's do, but look at what happened to 3D Realms too, and they even financed lots from their own past revenues.
But it needs to be from a truly random sample, not taken from some troubleshooting forum for 360, where people without problems never go.
Using motion capture room for strippers is just badass.
The /. ponies day. I thought Taco had lost it completely then.
On the other hand, it was also one of the greatest moments of the decade too.
I dont think Xbox 360 was really lame. It was actually pretty good. Granted, I only bought mine in 2007 but it has worked great and so have my friends ones too.
Companies that charge you for their product have incentives to keep the customer happy so he reads good reviews about it, creates a subscription or purchase their newer products too. Open source software doesn't have such incentives and in increasing cases are financing the development with advertising.
Microsoft sells you the software, while with Google you get it for free so they can build a good profile about you for advertising purposes. You choose which one is better one, but I won't be touching Chrome OS or Android for that exact reason.
It probably took 10 years to do all of this.
I didn't think The Phantom Menace was all that bad then, but now he's pointed out all the flaws in humorous manner.
Firefox has its shortcomings too. Use of XUL makes the interface somewhat clumsy and slow. Quality of addons varies. I agree it is a lot better browser than IE, but if we compare to for example Opera you know all of it's features will be built with same consistent quality and work fast since they're integrated directly to the browser. There are of course opinions, but the UI responsivess is really easy to see and makes browsing a lot nicer.
Thunderbird lacks one major thing; gmail like conversation view. There's been bug report/feature request about it since like 2004, but no one has still managed to do.
Gimp vs. Photoshop is easy to see. Even Paint.NET is nicer to use imo. But at least Gimp developers are noticing the problem and trying to do better interface in up-coming versions.
VLC actually is a great program tho, powerful, lightweight and good even for a casual user especially with it's built-in codecs.
-1 Factually Incorrect would just call for "I don't agree with the poster, but instead of answering and correcting I just mod him down without telling what is incorrect" mods
Because instead of developing or providing support developing that said open source alternative, you start using closed source commercial application and get used to it. Probably let others know about it too and write a few tutorials (lets think Photoshop) on the internet and indirectly support the closed source software.
Why do you think Adobe doesn't really go after people who use Photoshop at home? They know really well those people couldn't pay for it for home usage. But there's still a huge community around Photoshop, it's the de facto photo editing software and some of those users that have gotten used to it are going to make their (maybe future) company to buy it.
The big difference is Linux is free. Android is not. It's open source and free to use, but you have to be kidding yourself if you don't think that Google makes money off of Android. It's tied into all of their services. It's pushing them more advertisement revenue. Linux is most definitely not developed around a business model to make money.
Even heard of Red Hat, Canonical or even Firefox that gets paid by Google to include them as the primary search engine?
Or how people are been telling for ages that "but you can make money with OSS by support and such things".
Advertising is the largest revenue model for OSS now. With proprietary software you pay the developer directly and you don't usually get fucked over by the developer by losing your privacy for advertisers. You get what you pay for.
And thus they are actually just destroying open source community by using the closed source apps and helping to spread their use to companies and other users.
Only because it's not really about open source mentality, it's about wanting it for free.
Exactly, and big part of the reason theres so many apps already is because innovation is greatly driven by money and many people want to jump in.
Actually if Android was limiting itself to only open source, free software I don't think there would be so many apps made. This is especially true because they usually lack in UI and graphical terms, where the first one is really important in mobile apps.
Whole Android would be a lot less open if it didn't let commercial software on it. Even Windows Mobile is more open because you can install any app on it, unlike with iPhone (no, jailbreaking doesn't count)
Contrast to php, where every script has to be loaded, interpreted, then flushed out of the system so it leaves a clean memory footprint for the next script, and where tons of variables that your script may never call have to be initialized each run. Obviously only compiling what you need and loading it once is more efficient :-)
You're forgetting all the php optimizers, script and chunks of code caching in bytecode and ram caching of scripts. These make a major difference, but are probably just used on larger websites (like on facebook)
Well what are they going for? 19th is saturday, not friday. Maybe they should had check little facts like those before yelling everyone to join their clause.
Insightful post. I must add that this applies to Russia as well, most people throwing stupid comments have never lived or visited any of those countries but are just doing so because of their mindset or that "Russia and China are bad and are there to destroy us!" propaganda.
Even more so it seems US people are just watching movies and base their reality image on them, and what else does hollywood love more than sensationalism and the usa vs china/russia set?
To add to this, this is how whole insurance industry works..
You're probably thinking from the using it or not aspect. It's somewhat accounted in the prices; they don't ask for the full costs of giving such support because they know everyone won't use them. They just calculate how many will and adjust prices based on that.
ISP's work the same way too (and many more areas of industry). There's no way they can provide everyone constant maximum of bandwidth they sell, but it works out ok because not everyone are using the max bandwidth all the time (well, it works with ISP's outside US at least).
Personally I would pay a little extra to get better support and extra services. If you've already paid a high price for the product, you might as well spend a few dollars more on such and avoid shit if you happen to need those services.
Well, Microsoft has answered some to it:
Earlier today, questions arose over a feature developed by a third-party vendor for our MSN China joint venture. We are working with our MSN China joint venture to investigate the situation.
Unfortunately, when these questions first arose, it was the middle of the night in China. Now that the day has begun in China, our teams are working hard to track down the information.
Here’s what we know at this point. Our MSN China joint venture contracted with an independent vendor to create a feature called MSN Juku that allowed MSN users to find friends via microblogging and online games. This MSN Juku feature was made available to MSN China users in November and is still in beta.
Because questions have been raised about the code base comprising the service, MSN China will be suspending access to the Juku beta feature temporarily while we investigate the matter fully.
We will provide additional information as we learn more.
Or has anyone seen the way Americans react to anything even resembling the mildest criticism of USA or it's people or how they try to shove their laws and "freedom" (the fact you cant smoke pot, can get up to 800 years in prison and are fucked over by RIAA really is freedom)?
You can say that about any country in the world.
Comments like the GP did really just make Americans seem more stupid and completely without knowledge about the other countries. Guess what, your government is master in shoving mindsets and specific thinking to its citizens. So much that I'll probably get lots of angry "no it isn't so, we have freedom!" to this reply. It's the true mind controlling.
> Enforceable primarily in the USA, to a smaller degree in a few friendly countries, and with a handful of other countries agreeing to extradite suspects, maybe, if we ask them politely enough on days of the month evenly divisible by 13.
That's not how it goes. USA is already part of many treaties, except that they always refuse to extradite their own citizens to other countries. In this case they probably want a one-way "treaty" too.
Well, that's already being taken care of ( ACTA, the secret copyright treaty ).
And I think this would be the same way that ACTA is - USA laws forced in to other countries. No thank you. And I'm pretty sure Russia and China don't want to introduce USA laws either, and with those countries out of it, is there any point?
But wonder what's going on inside the guy's head tho, he acts like he would be in an action movie:
As a search warrant was being executed on Valkovich, he attempted to transfer $440,000 from a victim's bank account and then jump from the roof of his apartment complex onto another building.
Valkovich also admitted that he asked the hitman to use a silencer and to commit the murder in a drive-by shooting.
[Valkovich] proposed that he kill both the original witness and the person Valkovich had attempted to hire for the first hit. This time Valkovich specified that one victim be shot and have his head cut off. Valkovich has pled guilty only to the first murder-for-hire.
The $10 billion number is gross revenue. It does not take into effect the costs
Cry me a fucking river.
Do you understand the basics of economy? Spend more, you usually bigger sum back too. It doesn't mean the income percentage is a lot larger. This is even more true when everything has to be larger, better and more impressive all the time.
The only reason Hollywood really survives is due to the masses who have no idea what a buck is worth, and are willing to part with a lot of them for a couple hours spent staring at a screen where the same plots are played out over and over again by different actors.
Who are YOU to judge what is worth some bucks for OTHER people and what they might find fun? I also hope you understand that not everyone who works in movies/tv business are filthy rich. Sure, if you're an idiot, you might think that everyone makes millions per movie for a few months work, but it really isn't so.
Even if you don't enjoy it, let other people make their own decisions on what they want to spend their money on and if they want to spend the night out with their girlfriends.
I get off your lawn now.