Would you knowingly and intentionally bring a child into this world that you are unable to care for?
Would you then expect others to provide for that child?
I think you are missing the fact that by putting off having children, a person is able to better focus on raising themselves out of poverty and achieving the income level that would enable them to support a child.
But what I find disturbing is that you seem to believe that people should avail themselves of the "right" to have children and then expect society to pick up the cost. What kind of thinking is that?
First, government should always help those who can't help themselves.
Second, government should help out those who have, through no fault of their own, run into problems...disasters, etc.
Third, any other help should be predicate on those being helped doing something to help themselves.
While my simplistic answers are not cure-alls, they sure as hell will cut down dramatically on all the misery. In fact, I would feel comfortable saying that the vast majority of misery and poor would be eliminated just by people pulling their heads out of the ass and NOT doing something stupid.
Poor decisions are just that...decisions.
There are plenty of things to guide someone at a decision point. Look at your surroundings...are you about to do something that hasn't worked out well for others? Have you done it before and suffered the consequences?
How many 20 year olds are on their third kid, no father in sight, and yet they still haven't learned? How many 18 year olds have two grand theft convictions and they still look to steal cars?
You can't help being poor when you are 5. You can help it when you are 25.
While the assertion is purely anecdotal I agree, I am comfortable going with the assumption that a business owner is more likely to be a Republican or at least more conservative in nature.
The essential message of Feyshtey's post is that he contributes far more to society than your average Democratic constitute. Yet they keep coming back to the trough for more.
And you left out a raft of business taxes that most people don't pay...payroll taxes, Business licenses, commercial vehicle taxes, etc.
1. Stay in school and at least get a H.S. degree. 2. DON'T have kids if you can't afford them. The cause of pregnancy is well known. 3. DON'T blame your problems on others.
And don't give me any crap about "disadvantages". See Herman Cain.
What the stat? Top 5% pay 40% of the income taxes? How is that not contributing?
Everyone knows why Warren buffet pays half the rate his secretary does. He does not earn an income, he earns capital gains. Go ahead and raise the capital gains rate then you say? Fine, just don't bitch when you try to get a loan in the future.
I'll spare you the dreaded citation needed thing because I hate that.
But let's just say I am skeptical of that statement. Although it may be true of Buffet, who seems to spend very little of his wealth when compared to most "rich".
But then don't forget, even if you don't spend it, it is still in some financial instrument, where is is used to invest in others. Unless of course, it is stuffed in a mattress.
The economy works only when money is flowing. Your end game scenario would have all the "rich" sitting on piles of cash and not spending it. At that point, it's worth less than a sack of warm manure. Money is made and spent. If it's not spent, it can't be made. You don't need a degree in economics to understand that.
It is a crying shame that this post languishes at a score of 2. It should have been first post, modded +5 and the topic closed because there's not much to say beyond this,.
"Rich" people contribute more to the economy more than poor people.
Rich people buy more expensive products, and thus pay more sales tax. More expensive products generally mean more people were paid to produce them (airplanes, for example), maintain them, and perhaps operate them.
Rich people employ more people than do the poor. In just a personal capacity, maids, butlers, gardeners, mechanics, drivers, lawyers, accountants, etc. In most cases, these people also in turn, employee others as well.
Rich people contribute more to charities and other philanthropic causes. Arts, education, programs for the poor. Bill Gates is insanely rich and gives away more money than all the poor people combined (I good bet anyway).
Unlike Uncle Scrooge, rich people don't keep all their money in a room where they can roll around in it.
And as for your slavery comment, well, Stalin is calling, he wants his propaganda back.
This is pretty much like the Commerce Clause as most progressives would like to use it today. Everything is commerce, so the feds can regulate anything.
In this case you are saying that you owe society no matter what you did to earn money because if not for society, you couldn't earn money. But, earning money is not a side affect of society, it is the primary purpose of society to provide order and mechanisms for economic growth. All other benefits of society flow from that. In other words, it's like saying a star football player should kick back some of his wages to the NFL because if not for the NFL, he wouldn't be able to earn money playing football.
But in the end, we all know what happens when Democrats proposed tax increases and spending cuts together. The tax increases happen and the spending cuts don't
It would seem they over bought then eh? Gee. I need a bigger car to take my kids to school...so I get the feds to buy me a bus. Now what should I do with all those extra seats?
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Ahem, the Republican House and Senate did this. That's their job.
Would you knowingly and intentionally bring a child into this world that you are unable to care for?
Would you then expect others to provide for that child?
I think you are missing the fact that by putting off having children, a person is able to better focus on raising themselves out of poverty and achieving the income level that would enable them to support a child.
But what I find disturbing is that you seem to believe that people should avail themselves of the "right" to have children and then expect society to pick up the cost. What kind of thinking is that?
It's hard to tell the real thing from sarcasm on Slashdot sometime.
"low and middle class to at most half of what they currently are"
How can you cut the income tax from 0%? Oh wait...I know...Earned Income Tax Credit.
"the GREATEST ABILITY to pay their taxes,"
Do I smell some "From each according to their ability..." here?
You just don't have a clue, do you? The person who employees you is rich. GO ahead, tax him more. Maybe he'll lay you off.
You just argued against Social Security.
First, government should always help those who can't help themselves.
Second, government should help out those who have, through no fault of their own, run into problems...disasters, etc.
Third, any other help should be predicate on those being helped doing something to help themselves.
While my simplistic answers are not cure-alls, they sure as hell will cut down dramatically on all the misery. In fact, I would feel comfortable saying that the vast majority of misery and poor would be eliminated just by people pulling their heads out of the ass and NOT doing something stupid.
Poor decisions are just that...decisions.
There are plenty of things to guide someone at a decision point. Look at your surroundings...are you about to do something that hasn't worked out well for others? Have you done it before and suffered the consequences?
How many 20 year olds are on their third kid, no father in sight, and yet they still haven't learned? How many 18 year olds have two grand theft convictions and they still look to steal cars?
You can't help being poor when you are 5. You can help it when you are 25.
While the assertion is purely anecdotal I agree, I am comfortable going with the assumption that a business owner is more likely to be a Republican or at least more conservative in nature.
The essential message of Feyshtey's post is that he contributes far more to society than your average Democratic constitute. Yet they keep coming back to the trough for more.
And you left out a raft of business taxes that most people don't pay...payroll taxes, Business licenses, commercial vehicle taxes, etc.
1. Stay in school and at least get a H.S. degree.
2. DON'T have kids if you can't afford them. The cause of pregnancy is well known.
3. DON'T blame your problems on others.
And don't give me any crap about "disadvantages". See Herman Cain.
Your life is what you make of it.
You post, as opposed to being like a car wreck, where you can't look away, is more like spying a fat, nakid women on the overpass.
A truly WTF? moment.
YOU, are the eeeeeevil rich.
nysus, on the other hand, lives in his mother's basement.
What the stat? Top 5% pay 40% of the income taxes? How is that not contributing?
Everyone knows why Warren buffet pays half the rate his secretary does. He does not earn an income, he earns capital gains. Go ahead and raise the capital gains rate then you say? Fine, just don't bitch when you try to get a loan in the future.
I'll spare you the dreaded citation needed thing because I hate that.
But let's just say I am skeptical of that statement. Although it may be true of Buffet, who seems to spend very little of his wealth when compared to most "rich".
But then don't forget, even if you don't spend it, it is still in some financial instrument, where is is used to invest in others. Unless of course, it is stuffed in a mattress.
Taxes decrease on the rich and the poor die in wars.
I guess that's why nearly half of the U.S. population pays no income tax.
They don't keep 50% of the players income.
Spending cuts NEVER happen. History shows us that.
Taxing income IS THE barrier to entry to the upper class.
But on the other hand, once you have been taxed on money and you put it away, is it fair to be taxed on it again and again and again until it's gone?
I call bullshit on your bullshit.
The economy works only when money is flowing. Your end game scenario would have all the "rich" sitting on piles of cash and not spending it. At that point, it's worth less than a sack of warm manure. Money is made and spent. If it's not spent, it can't be made. You don't need a degree in economics to understand that.
A million bucks is a million bucks. Unless you are the feds, then it's just another token in the pot.
It is a crying shame that this post languishes at a score of 2. It should have been first post, modded +5 and the topic closed because there's not much to say beyond this,.
You mean, like the government?
"Rich" people contribute more to the economy more than poor people.
Rich people buy more expensive products, and thus pay more sales tax. More expensive products generally mean more people were paid to produce them (airplanes, for example), maintain them, and perhaps operate them.
Rich people employ more people than do the poor. In just a personal capacity, maids, butlers, gardeners, mechanics, drivers, lawyers, accountants, etc. In most cases, these people also in turn, employee others as well.
Rich people contribute more to charities and other philanthropic causes. Arts, education, programs for the poor. Bill Gates is insanely rich and gives away more money than all the poor people combined (I good bet anyway).
Unlike Uncle Scrooge, rich people don't keep all their money in a room where they can roll around in it.
And as for your slavery comment, well, Stalin is calling, he wants his propaganda back.
This is pretty much like the Commerce Clause as most progressives would like to use it today. Everything is commerce, so the feds can regulate anything.
In this case you are saying that you owe society no matter what you did to earn money because if not for society, you couldn't earn money. But, earning money is not a side affect of society, it is the primary purpose of society to provide order and mechanisms for economic growth. All other benefits of society flow from that. In other words, it's like saying a star football player should kick back some of his wages to the NFL because if not for the NFL, he wouldn't be able to earn money playing football.
But in the end, we all know what happens when Democrats proposed tax increases and spending cuts together. The tax increases happen and the spending cuts don't
It would seem they over bought then eh? Gee. I need a bigger car to take my kids to school...so I get the feds to buy me a bus. Now what should I do with all those extra seats?
"But we do know it was us that scorched the sky"
- Morpheus