In 1995, I built a Time and Attendance system using Informix and Powerbuilder 5. I was the sole developer and didn't know Powerbuilder when I started. In less than 6 months, it was up and running in 16 divisions.
Sure, a city is more complicated, but this isn't rocket science.
I seem to remember some jackasses on MSNBC and CNN yukking it up over the fact that Palin's account was hacked.
But then I've been drunk several times since then.
And if you have ever read anything on the HuffingtonPost, then you know that most there will go waaay out of their way to justify anything that bolsters their causes. So I can imagine that no one there got their knickers in a twist over Plain's hacking event and most likely expressed support for the hacker.
And to the idiot that will inevitably say Citation Needed, you go paw through H.P. looking for it. I have drinking to get to.
The Feds have a process to reveal secrets. You can elect new politicians who can change the laws regarding classification. You can sue to gain access to information.
Wikileaks, as many have pointed out, is not even based in the U.S. so is for all practical matters beyond our laws.
So to answer your question before you hang up on me, I trust the process that we have and the ability to strengthen the process.
I trust the PROFESSIONALS in government to make the correct decisions more often that I would people with political agendas and in general an ax to grind with government.
I trust that the government officials making these decisions have far more information available to them which enables them to make far better decisions.
I don't trust wikileaks to make well informed, reasoned decisions that take into account all aspects of the information at hand. If it makes a splash, they will release it.
Which entity should decide this? Why would it be more qualified to do so than Wikileaks or anyone else?
Only on Slashdot would you see this question.
How about the U.S. Government, which we elected?
But nooo..you probably think it should be a bunch of amateurs with a political ax to grind who have no understanding of the context of these leaks or the potential impact.
Wikileaks is not accountable. Neither you nor I can have the employee replaced. We can't get anyone there fired or hired.
You can change government. Elect new people. BTW, wasn't Obama supposed to fix all this stuff with executive orders? I wonder how he feels about secrets that affect the reputation of the U.S, Threaten U.S. servicemen, or imperil international agreements.
But then Wikileak would speak for everyone. It is deciding to publish classified material because it thinks it's important.
So you are OK with wikileaks second guessing the entire classification process that is managed by people who we either elected or by people that were hired by those we elected?
Does wikileaks have any kind of vetting process? Do they have the staff to check facts and authenticity of claims? Do they have lawyers to ensure that no laws are being violated?
Their website doesn't indicate any of this. They talk about submission guidelines, but there is nothing on their website. The only snippets I've found in google search talk about they have to be the first to release it.
So wikileaks, instead of being the high minded, civc-duty organization they want you to think they are, is actually no different than all the publicity whoring, money grubbing new outlets.
Next thing you know they will be blowing up pickups and faking footage of speedometers.
Yeah, this pretty much sums up the extent of the anti-nuclear crowd's thinking. They've been to see the movie The China Syndrome about 100 times too many.
Yeah...lets do a 10 year Environmental Impact Study. Then, someone can sue to invalidate it and we begin again. Should be ready about the same time as Fusion. But then we will need another EIS.
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In 1995, I built a Time and Attendance system using Informix and Powerbuilder 5. I was the sole developer and didn't know Powerbuilder when I started. In less than 6 months, it was up and running in 16 divisions.
Sure, a city is more complicated, but this isn't rocket science.
Here, have another drink.
I seem to remember some jackasses on MSNBC and CNN yukking it up over the fact that Palin's account was hacked.
But then I've been drunk several times since then.
And if you have ever read anything on the HuffingtonPost, then you know that most there will go waaay out of their way to justify anything that bolsters their causes. So I can imagine that no one there got their knickers in a twist over Plain's hacking event and most likely expressed support for the hacker.
And to the idiot that will inevitably say Citation Needed, you go paw through H.P. looking for it. I have drinking to get to.
I think "they" could be considered the Political punditry, bloggers and posters on sites such as the DailyKOS, Huffington Post, Etc.
But this is so new, I have not seen any opinions from "these people". So who knows if "they" will laugh it off or not.
The Government is comprised of the ones we ELECTED to take care of the nation's business. I'm pretty sure that is a form of Democracy.
Wikileaks is comprised of people none of us even know about and whom we have no control over. That's called stupid.
It is a question of process and procedures.
The Feds have a process to reveal secrets. You can elect new politicians who can change the laws regarding classification. You can sue to gain access to information.
Wikileaks, as many have pointed out, is not even based in the U.S. so is for all practical matters beyond our laws.
So to answer your question before you hang up on me, I trust the process that we have and the ability to strengthen the process.
I trust the PROFESSIONALS in government to make the correct decisions more often that I would people with political agendas and in general an ax to grind with government.
I trust that the government officials making these decisions have far more information available to them which enables them to make far better decisions.
I don't trust wikileaks to make well informed, reasoned decisions that take into account all aspects of the information at hand. If it makes a splash, they will release it.
Well...not wanting to be an asshole who says "citation needed", I'll go with what you say.
Regardless...the question still stands. Are you OK with the fact that people could die as the result of a leak?
I guess they just couldn't wait to let them know who it was. Do you really think they wouldn't be believed if they waited?
I think you are reaching a bit too far here.
It would interesting to see how outraged everyone here would be if someone leaked personal information on all of wikileak's sources.
Live by the leak, die by the leak.
though we have to be willing to face consequences in court if we're wrong.
You may get to go to jail if you are wrong.
Others may die if you are wrong.
Guess you are good with that.
Which entity should decide this? Why would it be more qualified to do so than Wikileaks or anyone else?
Only on Slashdot would you see this question.
How about the U.S. Government, which we elected?
But nooo..you probably think it should be a bunch of amateurs with a political ax to grind who have no understanding of the context of these leaks or the potential impact.
Wikileaks is not accountable. Neither you nor I can have the employee replaced. We can't get anyone there fired or hired.
You can change government. Elect new people. BTW, wasn't Obama supposed to fix all this stuff with executive orders? I wonder how he feels about secrets that affect the reputation of the U.S, Threaten U.S. servicemen, or imperil international agreements.
But then Wikileak would speak for everyone. It is deciding to publish classified material because it thinks it's important.
So you are OK with wikileaks second guessing the entire classification process that is managed by people who we either elected or by people that were hired by those we elected?
Nice...a moral equivalence between the U.S. and North Korea.
Does wikileaks have any kind of vetting process? Do they have the staff to check facts and authenticity of claims? Do they have lawyers to ensure that no laws are being violated?
Their website doesn't indicate any of this. They talk about submission guidelines, but there is nothing on their website. The only snippets I've found in google search talk about they have to be the first to release it.
Just like any other tabloid POS.
And the IRA would usually call in bombs threats, giving the location and time so that innocents could be evacuated.
So wikileaks, instead of being the high minded, civc-duty organization they want you to think they are, is actually no different than all the publicity whoring, money grubbing new outlets.
Next thing you know they will be blowing up pickups and faking footage of speedometers.
As in, my posts are Empirical Evidence that I can't spell.
It is actually known as empherical evidence.
Smoke abd mirrors my friend. Smoke and mirrors.
Yeah, this pretty much sums up the extent of the anti-nuclear crowd's thinking. They've been to see the movie The China Syndrome about 100 times too many.
And BTW, Jane Fonda is not longer hot.
Yeah...lets do a 10 year Environmental Impact Study. Then, someone can sue to invalidate it and we begin again. Should be ready about the same time as Fusion. But then we will need another EIS.
You obviously have not seen Our Mr. Sun