But like a Car accident, the impact can be minor or major. The GP was pointing out that we don't know the impact and to assume it will ruin lives is making very large assumptions. Just like someone died when they say they had a car accident.
By living IN the society, you are part of it. If you remove yourself to somewhere where no government or people exist, perhaps you could remove yourself from society. But as soon as you live amongst others, you are given rights because of that, whether you want them or not. You cannot stay outside of it because society has imposed itself upon you by giving you silly things like the right not to be killed by other humans.
Those two people were elected by THOUSANDS. Electing one of these nutbags might be forgiven. An abboration. People not doing a good job vetting their potential candidates. Maybe someone losing it halfway through his/her term. But seeing TWO elected officials like this makes it a real problem.
And lets not forget that KY is not alone. You have people like this all over the country. Primarily in the Souteast, but Im sure if we looked we could find some in the west, midwest and northeast too.
I am not very tin foil hat-ish (Im abig believer is stupidity and selishness being the root of most issues), but even I think he is being setup. Maybe not setup in the traditional sense, but the US is pressuing Sweden to nial him to the cross if they can on any charge they can when the oppurtunity arose (thus the charge being reduced then reinstated).
I cannot speak to the veracity, but I found several sources on Google that indicated that the 'rape' was having sex without a condom. That the sex was completely consensual (if foolish). Again, I dont have stats, but how many men go to jail is sweeden every year for doing a woman (or in this case 2 women) bareback. With their concent.
It is possible I suppose that they withdrew consent as some sources claim, but that becomes a he-said she-said thing. Add to that the fact that neither woman seemed phased by the encounters until they talked to each other and it becomes even more fishy and sounds like sour grapes.
Add to THAT the pressure the US government is surely putting on the Swedes, and you have a nice little setup.
The entire thing has oddity written all over it, and frnakly as much as I think the guy is an arrogant douchebag, I would do the same thing in his situation.
In most states, threatening to hit someone is considered assault (vs hitting them which is battery).
I tend to agree with the GP regarding social acceptance of female on male violence. To be clear, threats of violence of any kind are not ok. Creating an atmosphere of fear is not ok. Regardless of the sex of the parties involved.
Being propositioned IS ok. Even if you are rude.
Being threatening is not ok. Being drugged is not ok. Being coerced is not ok. Being groped is not ok. Being hit is not ok.
People seem to get confused, but it is really simple. ASKING for something is fine. (outside of work. Work rules are far more strict). Putting a threat in with the question is assault. Grabbing them is assault.
There is a difference between being an cad and being a criminal. One is socially frowned upon and the other is illegal. It sounds like (form the reports) this crossed that very simple line.
And just like many other social issues, guys (and women) have every right to be rude. And we have every right to make sure they know how inappropriate we all think their behavior is to engender change in the group. Social shame is a powerful tool.
You assume the factory owners will be able to maintain their sales. At some point enough people will be unemployed that the entire system will collapse.
Lived in the south. Work with people from the region (2 locations). Racism and bigotry and misogynistic behavior is covered in a vernier of politeness. If you look at how people ACT instead of what they say, the South is no better than it was in the 50's.
Personally I blame it on religion, but that's just me.
You seriously believe most people can afford a major illness in today's healthcare environment?
One major illness/accident which requires surgery could cost multiple $10's of thousands of dollars. I make very good money and that woulod strain my budget or force me to raid my retirement.
My wife has Type 1 Diabetes. The equipment and meds alone for this would cost on the order of $1k a month without insurance. (still costs us $150ish).
How the hell is someone making $15/hour supposed to pay for that?
I get a tax break for having a mortgage.That is a specific type of product. People who rent dont, even though they pay for housing just like I do.
The government feels that owning a house adds value to society (personally I disagree, but whatever). As such, they give a break to people who own houses and decide to pay with a mortgage.
Same with kids.
It's a tax. It has always been a tax. They just had to call it something else to get the bill passed.
Wait, you are trying to compare healthcare costs pre-1950 to today?
doctors pay 100k+ just to get through school. Hospitals have literally millions of dollars in equipment to pay for. We have drugs available that were not.
go ahead, go to the country quack circa 1870, he will give you some whiskey and saw off your arm instead of treating the infection you got. How does that sound.
Moron.
NOTE: Im not saying things are not broken. Medical school should NOT cost so much (blame the AMA). Hospitals should be more efficient with equipment and not in a fucking pissing contest to show how awesome they are compared to others. Drug companies should not force those of us in the US to subsidize the ocst of drug research for the ENTIRE world.
But to compare our modern healthcare system to 'the good old days' is so stupid my eyes are bleeding.
I wont tear into your other stupid arguments because I don't have time. The short version: Charity is inherently unequal, and a pure free market model is as pie in the sky stupid as communism.
While I agree with your sentiments regarding the various criminal activities, US law does not apply to all countries. It just doesn't. We may not like it, but that's how the world works. By applying your laws to other countries you are ignoring their laws and their sovereignty.
Well I take that back, it should not. Apparently it does.
Let's look at some other wonderful applicaitons of your ideas:
Someone comes to the US from another and uses freedom of speech. Returns to their country and is arrested for it. Someone comes to this country and dresses they way they want and returns to their country and is arrested for it. (post above) Someone comes to this country and has an affair and returns to their country and is killed for it. (post above) Someone from the US goes to cancun under 21 and drinks, and is arrested for it upon return. Someone goes to Holland and smokes pot and is arrested upon returning to the US. Someone from th US goes to Korea and eats dog (unknowningly) and is arrested for animal abuse upon return to the US.
All of these things are completely ok by your standard.
No, the GP is right. Microsoft has kept XP around for as long as they are going to. Once Security updates stop, people will switch. Well, people who want to keep their jobs will switch.
When they dropped GPO's form RT they killed it for the Enterprise. If I cant control devices on my network, then it really doesnt matter what devices are ON the network. Citrix receiver + Android (or whatever) + Isolated Guest Wireless and Im all set
Again, in Drydock this is almost impossible. It is possible the hatches were not even on the ship.
It also mentions that they were trying to prevent the fire from spreading aft. This is where all the engineering systems and electrical generation systems lay.
They probably saved millions of dollar just in the equipment in the engineering section they saved.
"At the time, reactor-plant operating procedures precluded a rapid reactor restart following a scram, or even the ability to use steam remaining in the secondary system to "drive" the sub to the surface. After a scram, standard procedure was to isolate the main steam system, cutting off the flow of steam to the turbines providing propulsion and electricity. This was done to prevent an over-rapid cool-down of the reactor. Thresher's Reactor Control Officer, Lieutenant Raymond McCoole, was not at his station in the maneuvering room, or indeed on the boat, during the fatal dive. McCoole was at home caring for his wife who had been injured in a household accident—he had been all but ordered ashore by a sympathetic Commander Harvey. McCoole's trainee, Jim Henry, fresh from nuclear power school, probably followed standard operating procedures and gave the order to isolate the steam system after the scram, even though Thresher was at or slightly below its maximum depth and was taking on water. Once closed, the large steam system isolation valves could not be reopened quickly. Reflecting on the situation in later life, McCoole was sure he would have delayed shutting the valves, thus allowing the boat to "answer bells" and drive itself to the surface, despite the flooding in the engineering spaces. Admiral Rickover later changed the procedure, allowing steam to be withdrawn from the secondary system in limited quantities for several minutes following a scram."\
Rickover was obsessed with QA, and his obsession killed everyone on the Thresher. In the big picture the US Navy's obsessive concern with safety is a good thing. In this situation people died.
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But like a Car accident, the impact can be minor or major. The GP was pointing out that we don't know the impact and to assume it will ruin lives is making very large assumptions. Just like someone died when they say they had a car accident.
By living IN the society, you are part of it. If you remove yourself to somewhere where no government or people exist, perhaps you could remove yourself from society. But as soon as you live amongst others, you are given rights because of that, whether you want them or not. You cannot stay outside of it because society has imposed itself upon you by giving you silly things like the right not to be killed by other humans.
It amazes people from inside the US too.
Those two people were elected by THOUSANDS. Electing one of these nutbags might be forgiven. An abboration. People not doing a good job vetting their potential candidates. Maybe someone losing it halfway through his/her term. But seeing TWO elected officials like this makes it a real problem.
And lets not forget that KY is not alone. You have people like this all over the country. Primarily in the Souteast, but Im sure if we looked we could find some in the west, midwest and northeast too.
I am not very tin foil hat-ish (Im abig believer is stupidity and selishness being the root of most issues), but even I think he is being setup. Maybe not setup in the traditional sense, but the US is pressuing Sweden to nial him to the cross if they can on any charge they can when the oppurtunity arose (thus the charge being reduced then reinstated).
I cannot speak to the veracity, but I found several sources on Google that indicated that the 'rape' was having sex without a condom. That the sex was completely consensual (if foolish). Again, I dont have stats, but how many men go to jail is sweeden every year for doing a woman (or in this case 2 women) bareback. With their concent.
It is possible I suppose that they withdrew consent as some sources claim, but that becomes a he-said she-said thing. Add to that the fact that neither woman seemed phased by the encounters until they talked to each other and it becomes even more fishy and sounds like sour grapes.
Add to THAT the pressure the US government is surely putting on the Swedes, and you have a nice little setup.
The entire thing has oddity written all over it, and frnakly as much as I think the guy is an arrogant douchebag, I would do the same thing in his situation.
In most states, threatening to hit someone is considered assault (vs hitting them which is battery).
I tend to agree with the GP regarding social acceptance of female on male violence. To be clear, threats of violence of any kind are not ok. Creating an atmosphere of fear is not ok. Regardless of the sex of the parties involved.
Being propositioned IS ok. Even if you are rude.
Being threatening is not ok.
Being drugged is not ok.
Being coerced is not ok.
Being groped is not ok.
Being hit is not ok.
People seem to get confused, but it is really simple. ASKING for something is fine. (outside of work. Work rules are far more strict). Putting a threat in with the question is assault. Grabbing them is assault.
There is a difference between being an cad and being a criminal. One is socially frowned upon and the other is illegal. It sounds like (form the reports) this crossed that very simple line.
And just like many other social issues, guys (and women) have every right to be rude. And we have every right to make sure they know how inappropriate we all think their behavior is to engender change in the group. Social shame is a powerful tool.
You assume the factory owners will be able to maintain their sales. At some point enough people will be unemployed that the entire system will collapse.
people say IT folks have a hard time seeing the business side of things. I would argue that lawyers are FAR worse.
JD isn't being nice either. They are being POLITE and RESPECTFUL. There is a difference.
Nice would be 'sure you can use our branding for your book, we explicitly give you license. for free.
THAT would be nice.
Lived in the south. Work with people from the region (2 locations). Racism and bigotry and misogynistic behavior is covered in a vernier of politeness. If you look at how people ACT instead of what they say, the South is no better than it was in the 50's.
Personally I blame it on religion, but that's just me.
I had to update my certs 2 years ago to meet PCI compliance. Honestly, Im shocked vendors still allow 1024 certs to be distributed.
The tin foil hat guy inside me says this is great for vendors who will get to charge fees to upgrade everyones certs....
It gets you perspective.
You seriously believe most people can afford a major illness in today's healthcare environment?
One major illness/accident which requires surgery could cost multiple $10's of thousands of dollars. I make very good money and that woulod strain my budget or force me to raid my retirement.
My wife has Type 1 Diabetes. The equipment and meds alone for this would cost on the order of $1k a month without insurance. (still costs us $150ish).
How the hell is someone making $15/hour supposed to pay for that?
Let the baby boomers who caused this mess die off. Save us $110 Trillion plus.
Then we just have to deal with the 25 T left over.
I get a tax break for having a mortgage.That is a specific type of product. People who rent dont, even though they pay for housing just like I do.
The government feels that owning a house adds value to society (personally I disagree, but whatever). As such, they give a break to people who own houses and decide to pay with a mortgage.
Same with kids.
It's a tax. It has always been a tax. They just had to call it something else to get the bill passed.
Wait, you are trying to compare healthcare costs pre-1950 to today?
doctors pay 100k+ just to get through school.
Hospitals have literally millions of dollars in equipment to pay for.
We have drugs available that were not.
go ahead, go to the country quack circa 1870, he will give you some whiskey and saw off your arm instead of treating the infection you got. How does that sound.
Moron.
NOTE: Im not saying things are not broken. Medical school should NOT cost so much (blame the AMA). Hospitals should be more efficient with equipment and not in a fucking pissing contest to show how awesome they are compared to others. Drug companies should not force those of us in the US to subsidize the ocst of drug research for the ENTIRE world.
But to compare our modern healthcare system to 'the good old days' is so stupid my eyes are bleeding.
I wont tear into your other stupid arguments because I don't have time. The short version: Charity is inherently unequal, and a pure free market model is as pie in the sky stupid as communism.
While I agree with your sentiments regarding the various criminal activities, US law does not apply to all countries. It just doesn't. We may not like it, but that's how the world works. By applying your laws to other countries you are ignoring their laws and their sovereignty.
Well I take that back, it should not. Apparently it does.
Let's look at some other wonderful applicaitons of your ideas:
Someone comes to the US from another and uses freedom of speech. Returns to their country and is arrested for it.
Someone comes to this country and dresses they way they want and returns to their country and is arrested for it.
(post above) Someone comes to this country and has an affair and returns to their country and is killed for it.
(post above) Someone from the US goes to cancun under 21 and drinks, and is arrested for it upon return.
Someone goes to Holland and smokes pot and is arrested upon returning to the US.
Someone from th US goes to Korea and eats dog (unknowningly) and is arrested for animal abuse upon return to the US.
All of these things are completely ok by your standard.
you allow iPhones on your corporate intranet?
No, the GP is right. Microsoft has kept XP around for as long as they are going to. Once Security updates stop, people will switch. Well, people who want to keep their jobs will switch.
When they dropped GPO's form RT they killed it for the Enterprise. If I cant control devices on my network, then it really doesnt matter what devices are ON the network. Citrix receiver + Android (or whatever) + Isolated Guest Wireless and Im all set
Try pushing a wheelchair in the snow and you will get your answer.
Again, in Drydock this is almost impossible. It is possible the hatches were not even on the ship.
It also mentions that they were trying to prevent the fire from spreading aft. This is where all the engineering systems and electrical generation systems lay.
They probably saved millions of dollar just in the equipment in the engineering section they saved.
Technically the thresher sank because of bad procedures.
Here is a decent summary:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Thresher_(SSN-593)
Here is the pretinant info:
"At the time, reactor-plant operating procedures precluded a rapid reactor restart following a scram, or even the ability to use steam remaining in the secondary system to "drive" the sub to the surface. After a scram, standard procedure was to isolate the main steam system, cutting off the flow of steam to the turbines providing propulsion and electricity. This was done to prevent an over-rapid cool-down of the reactor. Thresher's Reactor Control Officer, Lieutenant Raymond McCoole, was not at his station in the maneuvering room, or indeed on the boat, during the fatal dive. McCoole was at home caring for his wife who had been injured in a household accident—he had been all but ordered ashore by a sympathetic Commander Harvey. McCoole's trainee, Jim Henry, fresh from nuclear power school, probably followed standard operating procedures and gave the order to isolate the steam system after the scram, even though Thresher was at or slightly below its maximum depth and was taking on water. Once closed, the large steam system isolation valves could not be reopened quickly. Reflecting on the situation in later life, McCoole was sure he would have delayed shutting the valves, thus allowing the boat to "answer bells" and drive itself to the surface, despite the flooding in the engineering spaces. Admiral Rickover later changed the procedure, allowing steam to be withdrawn from the secondary system in limited quantities for several minutes following a scram."\
Rickover was obsessed with QA, and his obsession killed everyone on the Thresher. In the big picture the US Navy's obsessive concern with safety is a good thing. In this situation people died.
There is also the door to thew diesel room, which is air tight if not watertight. It would probably contain a fire.
I think article states you case very well:
http://www.marketingcharts.com/television/primetime-tv-hour-includes-41-commercials-9434/