Not completely true. The recent javascript vulnerabilities across a wide scope of browsers show that a flaw in the core protocols of the web can be shared in the varied implementations across different browsers.
I think this is a very positive use of the many eyes proposition. And this helps *NIX software by having many eyes scanning code. These holes are real, though in real world terms probably not easily exploitable with common usage, but fixed now it prevents and extension of these applications in the future suffering from these weaknesses.
I don't understand why this is a bad thing. It is the community watching itself and in this case it is the *NIX community watching itself.
Having to work with engineers who do field inspections. Tablets are very much appreciated by people in many different areas. Just imagine any profession that used a clip board pre digital and you have a place where a tablet can be used.
Hard to say because the mind uses those senses to define how it operates with reality.
I have not seen a communication method faster than a good touch typist.
I search on voice recognition I see software at 140-160 words per minute max. Touch typists go well past that. I would suspect that the neural paths created to manipulate this device would be just as responsive as the neural paths used in touched typing. The difficulty would be making the pattern recognition for words. If you can create pattern recognition on a word level, you would beat the data input rates of a touch typist.
To do that this device would need to work on patterns of thought that do not translate to movement.
I would disagree with you above list.
We use one sense to input information, touch or speech. We use the other senses to verify information. I have worked with bind typists who have excellent input skills without sight, and the same for my deaf friends who can type without sound. But when you take the senses down to just one, I believe the task becomes harder to learn and use. I think that is just a case of verification, which you use heavily when learning a skill, less when you are more proficient in it.
Touch typing was taught when I was in school that you do not look at your output, just the input line you were typing. With no audible cue it was hard to learn touch typing. This is why I tend to get click enabled keyboards. I remember my Timex Sinclair with the bubble keyboards. I loved the surface texture and the idea of a bubble keyboard. But it forced you to stare at the output to make sure there was keypress. This slowed down the typing.
So in general it is how you are taught to do things.
But the side affect of not looking at the output when you type is you can type from notes or other material very quickly.
So I think the physical and audio cues help in learning the skill quickly. The added learning mechanisms needed to increase the skill without those feedbacks would need to be balanced on how they change the amount of people who can gain those abilities versuses the difficulties in changing the learning methods for them to attain a high enough skill set with the device.
Ok after reading many comments on how to use this in the world of the abled bodied, and how it may not take off because of this or that I have to reply to your comment of not being sure to take off. This will take off. This will be in use by people who have been using joysticks hooked to their tongues, it will be used by people who cannot move below the neck, it will be used by those for whom the ability to interact with a device easily is impossible for them currently, can have that ability with this.
And that use of the technology will improve it, and maybe if it improves to the point where those of us with more able bodies find a use for it find a good use for it, it may be used further.
No sorry I meant you have been posting this on an Anoymous login on Groklaw, not without signature, as I have seen your comments there also.
I should have said I have seen your comments since your account has been deleted on groklaw.
Is that a good try again.
I guess the gist of all I have tried to say is, how do you fix this. I think it is past the complaining phase and do you just fork groklaw and compete for against it with your vision of open structure.
I will concede your point that framework for the comment system in groklaw is broken, in that it does not satisfy everyone in the community.
But the question is how do you fix it?
Or how will you fix it?
I don't think you will change groklaw, so maybe competition is the way forward.
hmmm I take it you have been posting this on Groklaw. Anoymously.
I don't understand comment systems.
I guess I don't hold much to the words I pass out on things like slashdot and groklaw. I think that is fallout from whquestion closing. If there ever was a board worth keeping posts it was whquestion.
The idea behind firefox is to have minimal features intalled and to let the user add the features the need / want. This means security is easier to maintain and the code base is compact and optimised.
I think the idea works well, I believe during the release cycle to one there have been some fundamental changes to the xul system and the extension system. I am hoping that 1.0 and on the extension system will be stable enough to not have to wait for extension releases.
To the original posters comments about Firefox 1.0. I have it on Red Hat Enterprise Workstation, Slackware, Windows 2000, Windows XP Sp1 and Windows XP Sp2 and they are all working fine. I use the Swithc Proxy Tool, The Advanced Higlighter Button and Disabe Targets for Downloads extensions installed. I have not seen any major problems with 1.0 except for sites that have caused problems in all versions of Firefox. I have had maybe three crashes in total. I have filed my bug reports on them as they happened.
My grandfather programmed computers in the Navy. I was born in 1971, my mother worked data entry for an insurance company and I got to see the machine operators marvel over ascii art at 3 or 4. My grandfather was early into home computers and so was my dad. I have never had this problem of technology impaired older relatives. When I did a stint of tech support on the phone my retort to the elder people saying they didn't know what to do with the machines because of their age, was it isn't age it is just experience and I would point to my grandfather as an example. They liked the fact that I wasn't a snobbery kid telling them this technology was for my generation, but letting them know it was possible for all. I have always found comments like this just a bit naff and almost disciminatory. It is not age that makes a difference it is exeperience. Their are people younger than me immersed in technology that can't make it past hitting the power on button on their ps2 or xbox. While I am still baffled by the linear menus of my mobile phone, mainly because I equate mobile phone to 24x7 work and try to avoid touching the thing as much as possible so I do not have the experience to navigate it quickly. It is all experience and we put in the experience to learn based on what we hope to get from the techonology.
Anyway I am lucky Christmas and Thanksgiving I will be eating food, checking out my brothers dual G5 Mac (he is the music producer go figure), talking to me dad about the 70 foot illuminated cross someone put on their land that happens to fill the view from my parents bedroom and keep the room well lit at night. All from the comfort of my home in the UK while they are in their happy house in PA.
And I won't have to explain to them how these little chatty things work or how to get the webcam facing the whole family and not just the forehead of my brother.
Have they fixed the problems with the network. When I first started using it you could not download work units for anything and the service was up and down. I left Seti because of their switch to it. I doing folding @ home instead.
No I don't. BUT Microsoft says I should and be responsible is somegthing like this happens on my watch. So the sure as hell better have their shit together on their watch.
Sorry for the swearing but this is really getting under my skin.
They don't demand it but with some remarks from Balmer about third party apps causing security holes, I believe they are trying to go back to the premise they had years ago that if you install anything on it you "void the warranty" so to speak.
But Balmer's speeches and reality some times diverge greatly.
I have seen them error out with the error on screen and they were W2k or NT4 depending on the bank. Also the train online pickup for tickets uses NT4 and those are constantly crashing. Go railtrack sorry network rail or whatever it is name this month.
Slashdot Mirror
Not completely true. The recent javascript vulnerabilities across a wide scope of browsers show that a flaw in the core protocols of the web can be shared in the varied implementations across different browsers.
I think this is a very positive use of the many eyes proposition. And this helps *NIX software by having many eyes scanning code. These holes are real, though in real world terms probably not easily exploitable with common usage, but fixed now it prevents and extension of these applications in the future suffering from these weaknesses.
I don't understand why this is a bad thing. It is the community watching itself and in this case it is the *NIX community watching itself.
I say we need more courses like this.
BS, the are usually used for taking field notes and storing photographs to go with the field notes.
Could be done in any OS on the market now.
Not vertical market applications.
We have currently rolled out the tough books, which addresses the conditions described above.
Having to work with engineers who do field inspections. Tablets are very much appreciated by people in many different areas. Just imagine any profession that used a clip board pre digital and you have a place where a tablet can be used.
Hard to say because the mind uses those senses to define how it operates with reality.
I have not seen a communication method faster than a good touch typist.
I search on voice recognition I see software at 140-160 words per minute max. Touch typists go well past that. I would suspect that the neural paths created to manipulate this device would be just as responsive as the neural paths used in touched typing. The difficulty would be making the pattern recognition for words. If you can create pattern recognition on a word level, you would beat the data input rates of a touch typist.
To do that this device would need to work on patterns of thought that do not translate to movement.
I would disagree with you above list.
We use one sense to input information, touch or speech. We use the other senses to verify information. I have worked with bind typists who have excellent input skills without sight, and the same for my deaf friends who can type without sound. But when you take the senses down to just one, I believe the task becomes harder to learn and use. I think that is just a case of verification, which you use heavily when learning a skill, less when you are more proficient in it.
semi bs
Touch typing was taught when I was in school that you do not look at your output, just the input line you were typing. With no audible cue it was hard to learn touch typing. This is why I tend to get click enabled keyboards. I remember my Timex Sinclair with the bubble keyboards. I loved the surface texture and the idea of a bubble keyboard. But it forced you to stare at the output to make sure there was keypress. This slowed down the typing.
So in general it is how you are taught to do things.
But the side affect of not looking at the output when you type is you can type from notes or other material very quickly.
So I think the physical and audio cues help in learning the skill quickly. The added learning mechanisms needed to increase the skill without those feedbacks would need to be balanced on how they change the amount of people who can gain those abilities versuses the difficulties in changing the learning methods for them to attain a high enough skill set with the device.
But in general I agree with your argument.
Ok after reading many comments on how to use this in the world of the abled bodied, and how it may not take off because of this or that I have to reply to your comment of not being sure to take off. This will take off. This will be in use by people who have been using joysticks hooked to their tongues, it will be used by people who cannot move below the neck, it will be used by those for whom the ability to interact with a device easily is impossible for them currently, can have that ability with this.
And that use of the technology will improve it, and maybe if it improves to the point where those of us with more able bodies find a use for it find a good use for it, it may be used further.
I had found the Grokwar discussion off the yahoo boards but again was somewhere in the middle of the threads and didn't get it.
Reading it IP-Wars I can only say as I do with multiple sources of information I have added another tool to my toolset.
No sorry I meant you have been posting this on an Anoymous login on Groklaw, not without signature, as I have seen your comments there also.
I should have said I have seen your comments since your account has been deleted on groklaw.
Is that a good try again.
I guess the gist of all I have tried to say is, how do you fix this. I think it is past the complaining phase and do you just fork groklaw and compete for against it with your vision of open structure.
I will concede your point that framework for the comment system in groklaw is broken, in that it does not satisfy everyone in the community.
But the question is how do you fix it?
Or how will you fix it?
I don't think you will change groklaw, so maybe competition is the way forward.
hmmm I take it you have been posting this on Groklaw. Anoymously.
I don't understand comment systems.
I guess I don't hold much to the words I pass out on things like slashdot and groklaw. I think that is fallout from whquestion closing. If there ever was a board worth keeping posts it was whquestion.
I was referring to my complaints on the tone taken against Sun.
As for if they are still there, good question I don't usually look at past posts unless the conversation is still relevant.
I don't see that, I have never understood the war that got started over post deletions.
I have had some disagreements with PJ and remained.
The funny thing is a read groklaw everyday.
I had a two week holiday in Cornwall, where I couldn't even get a mobile link and I came back and there was this big rucus.
So I have no idea what all the bile was about.
But I just don't see what either side of this debate was talking about.
I also haven't really seen a change in Groklaw.
Oh well I can still read the legal documents, what was so important about the comments deleted?
Did they prove SCO was wrong/right or change the perception of the case in anyway?
My id here is the same as on Groklaw and I have had some serious disagreement with PJ and my account has remained.
The were a legit company, they have changed their culture and like the culture in the petri dish it is starting to smell.
Now that is an idea. A very worthy idea.
sorry it was meant as a rhetorical question.
Can't a myth tv system be set to also handle audio?
The windows version is in the screen shots, note it says Gimp 2.2 on Windows XP.
The idea behind firefox is to have minimal features intalled and to let the user add the features the need / want. This means security is easier to maintain and the code base is compact and optimised.
I think the idea works well, I believe during the release cycle to one there have been some fundamental changes to the xul system and the extension system. I am hoping that 1.0 and on the extension system will be stable enough to not have to wait for extension releases.
To the original posters comments about Firefox 1.0. I have it on Red Hat Enterprise Workstation, Slackware, Windows 2000, Windows XP Sp1 and Windows XP Sp2 and they are all working fine. I use the Swithc Proxy Tool, The Advanced Higlighter Button and Disabe Targets for Downloads extensions installed. I have not seen any major problems with 1.0 except for sites that have caused problems in all versions of Firefox. I have had maybe three crashes in total. I have filed my bug reports on them as they happened.
My grandfather programmed computers in the Navy. I was born in 1971, my mother worked data entry for an insurance company and I got to see the machine operators marvel over ascii art at 3 or 4. My grandfather was early into home computers and so was my dad. I have never had this problem of technology impaired older relatives. When I did a stint of tech support on the phone my retort to the elder people saying they didn't know what to do with the machines because of their age, was it isn't age it is just experience and I would point to my grandfather as an example. They liked the fact that I wasn't a snobbery kid telling them this technology was for my generation, but letting them know it was possible for all. I have always found comments like this just a bit naff and almost disciminatory. It is not age that makes a difference it is exeperience. Their are people younger than me immersed in technology that can't make it past hitting the power on button on their ps2 or xbox. While I am still baffled by the linear menus of my mobile phone, mainly because I equate mobile phone to 24x7 work and try to avoid touching the thing as much as possible so I do not have the experience to navigate it quickly. It is all experience and we put in the experience to learn based on what we hope to get from the techonology.
Anyway I am lucky Christmas and Thanksgiving I will be eating food, checking out my brothers dual G5 Mac (he is the music producer go figure), talking to me dad about the 70 foot illuminated cross someone put on their land that happens to fill the view from my parents bedroom and keep the room well lit at night. All from the comfort of my home in the UK while they are in their happy house in PA.
And I won't have to explain to them how these little chatty things work or how to get the webcam facing the whole family and not just the forehead of my brother.
Have they fixed the problems with the network. When I first started using it you could not download work units for anything and the service was up and down. I left Seti because of their switch to it. I doing folding @ home instead.
No I don't. BUT Microsoft says I should and be responsible is somegthing like this happens on my watch. So the sure as hell better have their shit together on their watch.
Sorry for the swearing but this is really getting under my skin.
I will chill out a bit and try to have a laugh.
They don't demand it but with some remarks from Balmer about third party apps causing security holes, I believe they are trying to go back to the premise they had years ago that if you install anything on it you "void the warranty" so to speak.
But Balmer's speeches and reality some times diverge greatly.
I have seen them error out with the error on screen and they were W2k or NT4 depending on the bank. Also the train online pickup for tickets uses NT4 and those are constantly crashing. Go railtrack sorry network rail or whatever it is name this month.
Scratch that reverse it.