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Linux Desktop Migration Cookbook from IBM

almondjoy writes "I was project leader for publication of this recent IBM Redbook, available for free download here: Linux Client Migration Cookbook: A Practical Planning and Implementation Guide for Migrating to Desktop Linux. At this point, I'm gathering input for what we could improve on, and what additional topics should be covered in a second version of the book. I realize this is a broad topic to cover in a rapidly changing environment. And because these books are developed by IBM there are some content limitations. Nonetheless, in the next version we want to continue making the book as useful as possible for anyone considering a migration to Linux on the desktop."

250 comments

  1. Chapter 1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Don't forget to buy your $699 licensing fees you cock-smoking teabaggers.

  2. So when... by halivar · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    So when is IBM going to put this into practice? I'd like to know when, for sure, IBM is going to eat its own dogfood.

    I'd like to see IBM endorse the Linux desktop as a solution of all tiers of business.

    1. Re:So when... by stecoop · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's funny. Your statement has a hint of to the fact the IBM is a consultant company it will say whatever to take your money.

    2. Re:So when... by crimoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I'd like to see IBM endorse the Linux desktop as a solution"

      By selling off their desktop business they've dodged the bullet of having to spend their own resources supporting Linux on the desktop. Now they get paid to do so on someone else's hardware.

    3. Re:So when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:So when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      *QUOTE*
      IBM Corp.'s Global Services team is getting behind Linux on the desktop, starting within IBM itself, according to Sam Docknevich, Linux and grid services executive for IBM. About 14,000 IBM employees use Linux desktops at the present time, and that number will grow to about 50,000 or 60,000 by next year, he estimated.
      *END QUOTE*
      http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/11/10/ HNdeskto pwalk_1.html

    5. Re:So when... by halivar · · Score: 1
    6. Re:So when... by fitten · · Score: 1

      Well... that *was* about a year and a little over a month ago. Maybe *this* year is the year of LOTD!

      (You know, for some reason every time I see LOTD, I think it is somehow related to LOTR.)

    7. Re:So when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      So when is IBM going to put this into practice? I'd like to know when, for sure, IBM is going to eat its own dogfood.


      Posting this reply from a computer running the IBM internal standard Linux desktop:

      Woof, woof!

    8. Re:So when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the article:

      "I have had these conversations with companies like IBM and other people who are involved in the Open Source arena. In 2002, their view was that Open Source software was not robust enough for use on the desktop."

      Maybe you should read it. It says IBM consultants didn't do Linux desktops, so they weren't recommending them in 2002. You don't suppose things have changed at all since then, do you?

    9. Re:So when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (You know, for some reason every time I see LOTD, I think it is somehow related to LOTR.)

      Thats interesting, because everytime I see LOTD, I think that it is alot of dreaming being done by some zealots that will never be realized.

    10. Re:So when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a linux desktop and I'm happy with it. I see this and I think WTF is the big deal?

    11. Re:So when... by aurelian · · Score: 1
      From www.ibm.com:

      IBM recommends Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional.

      When they remove that, I'll know they're serious about Linux.

    12. Re:So when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it has been often discussed that Linux is not appropriate for all uses. Perhaps IBM realizes that the people who will be swayed by a suggestion on the website are the people who have no clue. If you know enough to effectively use Linux, you probably don't care what IBM suggests, you already know what you want. Therefore it makes sense that the recommendation IBM makes publicly is tailored for the only group who needs it.

    13. Re:So when... by Jerry · · Score: 1
      I believe it has been often discussed that Linux is not appropriate for all uses.


      And the exact same thing can be said for Windows, so what's your point? WHEN IBM removes their XP statement then we'll know they are serious about Linux.

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    14. Re:So when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My point is that you can be serious about an OS without believing that it is the best choice for every user. I don't use Linux myself, I abandoned it in favor of FreeBSD. I am serious about FreeBSD, all my personal machines run it, I develop for and on it, and we are launching a network security company whose centerpiece is a product running FreeBSD. I still don't recommend it for my Grandmother. Right tool for the job, and all that. I hope you can see my point?

  3. Preheat the oven... by un1xl0ser · · Score: 1

    Preheat the oven and wait 2 years?

    HHOS, we are looking into this at work for a corporate desktop and there are some serious issues.

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    1. Re:Preheat the oven... by martin_b1sh0p · · Score: 1

      Can you elaborate? Seriously though, not being a troll....I'm all for Linux but I'm interested in knowing what sort of things other companies are finding that are preventing them from switching.

    2. Re:Preheat the oven... by un1xl0ser · · Score: 1

      First I will say that I am not working on this project directly. I picked a seperate project (NIS to LDAP migration++) and my co-worker took the other project.

      We evaluated NLD (Novell Linux Desktop), our currently rolled-out RHEL 3.0 and RHEL 4.0 Beta.

      1) Corporate web pages. We have lots of em. Most of them don't work too well in Firefox/Mozilla. From here on out, all will be tested with other browsers, but in the meantime most of our desktop users need IE.

      2) Video player status. We have no video player to play corporate streams. We mostly use wmv. Don't know the full legal/patent/copyright status on mplayer/xine and company.

      3) Sametime. It sucks, but our corporate IM is Sametime. I am not in a position to change that (big corporation). Meanwhile is a OS library and has a gaim-plugin, but it doesn't include adding users and currently I have to use a LDAP string to add a user. Maybe IBM has some ideas in the cookbook.

      4) Training users. We would need to seriously change our support model. Currently our Unix users are using engineering applications and HPC clusters. We help with desktop issues, but we would need to have a much more flexible support environment to handle the new desktop users.

      5) Evolution. Even 2.0 has some issues. We use Exchange 2k currently. Can't remember where we had blank stops on our functional matrix. thinking....

      6) I think RedHat's support and errata sucks. I've got kernel bug fixes and an autofs bug that I have been waiting 2 months for. I'm not sure how well they test their patches, but I doubt it is rigorous at all.

      I'm sure there are more issues. Maybe it isn't that far away for us.

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    3. Re:Preheat the oven... by retinaburn · · Score: 1

      I am curious to say why you say Sametime sucks? We use it internally (in various forms) and wonder what you experience with it is.

    4. Re:Preheat the oven... by un1xl0ser · · Score: 1

      No native Unix client. (AFAIK)

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    5. Re:Preheat the oven... by IANAAC · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most of your Win apps-only stuff can be handled through Crossover Office. Does wmv videos, IExplorer, Notes/Sametime. Yes, it's basically Wine, but Crossover is optimized for precisely these things.

    6. Re:Preheat the oven... by retinaburn · · Score: 1

      I did a quick google and came up with Sametime 3.1 Linux Client

      Not sure if it will help or not, but take a look if you have time.

    7. Re:Preheat the oven... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I work for Red Hat, as a QA Engineer, and I noticed your post and wanted to comment.

      Taking issue with #6 specifically...

      I can't really speak for our support team, but the errata are an unbelievable hassle like you would not believe for everyone involved - from the developer who has to submit an errata request to the QA team trying to do functional testing before we green-light it and it goes out the door.

      Do you have any idea how little progress we have made in the Open Source world on tools to simplify this process? We have no open test case format. No open test plan guidelines. No tools to automate any of this shit. And every single upstream project that has any sort of test plan available has them in different formats, with much manual intervention required.

      Manually performing functional testing on a set of packages that needs to go out YESTERDAY on seven different architectures and a few different OS release versions is fucking *hell*. Not to mention the fact that nobody has any decent database of tests, for functional testing *or* for regression testing, so sometimes, customers will hit a use case that we can't even imagine and things break *anyway* despite the heroic effort from our extremely understaffed and underequipped team.

      As an aside, just so you know, the kernel specifically goes through unbelievably rigorous testing. Autofs gets lots of love as well, usually, because we use it a lot here internally.

    8. Re:Preheat the oven... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there *IS* a native Sametime UNIX client, but it will probably never see the light of day...

    9. Re:Preheat the oven... by un1xl0ser · · Score: 1

      All the clients that have tried... like Jmessenger and Meanwhile have functional problems, stability problems et cetera.

      I remember one when I was logging into a Sametime chat and when I "spoke" it showed my text as coming from my co-worker. That was a fun chat to say the least. This was an older version of meanwhile-gaim.

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    10. Re:Preheat the oven... by un1xl0ser · · Score: 1

      The current autofs bug is a lack of expiration code. It's on bugzilla.

      You update a NIS map and with the newest errata from RHEL 3, the client doesn't notice the change.

      Pretty big, noticable big IMHO. No word from the tech on the fix, yet.

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    11. Re:Preheat the oven... by Amiga+Trombone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm all for Linux but I'm interested in knowing what sort of things other companies are finding that are preventing them from switching.

      What makes this question such a stinker is that it usually isn't the big, common things that are the show stoppers, it's myriad little things.

      In my case, I can think of a couple off the top of my head. For one, the availability of a Nortel VPN client. Now, I know there's actually a Nortel client available, but my shop is already paying a flat fee for the Windows client. If they want the Linux client as well, they have to pay extra. Therefore, their position is that Linux is unsupported. Then there's the fact that there are a number of Access databases that we use, and nobody's in a big hurry to migrate them to something else. And of course, there's all the specialized, obscure little applications that create data in various proprietary formats, with no Linux version available from the vendor, and not of sufficiently large an audience that anyone in the open source community is going to be bothered to write an equivalent.

      I'd say that the big things, office suites, etc., Linux already has. But it's the little, obscure, PITA applications that have evolved within the Windows ecosystem throughout the years that can't be easily replaced.

    12. Re:Preheat the oven... by un1xl0ser · · Score: 1

      It gets down to calculating TCO and other things that I'm not involved in. I could easily have a Windows Terminal Server as the solution, but with licensing, why not just run Windows.

      I've tried Crossover Office, Crossover Office Server (for Solaris boxen). Never really impressed.

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    13. Re:Preheat the oven... by liago0sh · · Score: 1

      MPlayer plays wmv videos. Just download the codec and read the docs.

  4. well by spac3manspiff · · Score: 1

    well thats a LFA (long fucking artical)
    for the couple of pages I read, it's a pretty nice book.

    1. Re:well by retinaburn · · Score: 1

      Ya, and its really short for an encyclopedia, good thing its neither an article nor an encyclope dia,it's a book.

    2. Re:well by jdray · · Score: 1
      They could use a little readability editing. The first paragraph of the introduction is an example of too many uses (two) of the same phrase "At the same time..."

      For several years now, many people involved with computing and the Internet have harbored hopes that Linux might become a viable end-user operating system choice for a broader segment of general purpose end users. At the same time there has been growing frustration with the problems and limitations of the current dominant commercial desktop OS offerings from Microsoft. In turn this frustration has fueled a greater need in the market for alternative desktop operating system choices. At the same time, Linux-based desktop-oriented distributions have improved tremendously as a result of the inclusive and open-ended dynamics of the open source development movement.

      Oh, and I'll probably get flamed for this, but in section 1.1 they talk about "migrating users from the Microsoft Office productivity suite to a Linux-based equivalent."

      Say what you will about MS Office versus OpenOffice, but the latter is not an "equivalent" to the former. More like an "alternative."

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    3. Re:well by jdray · · Score: 1

      So, yeah, double commenting is almost as bad as replying to yourself, but I forgot to say that, despite my objections, it's fantastic that someone is putting something like this out. I look forward to reading it. The volume of well-written documentation is achingly low in the Linux user space, and almost nonexistent in the implementation engineering area.

      Of course, material like this (implementation guidelines) is difficult to find no matter what you're doing. Tons (literally) of books on tips, tricks, hidden features, etc. of an inconceivable array of products, but very little that says "if you want to do this, here's how to go about creating a robust framework for doing so."

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  5. Scanning through it... by JossiRossi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A quick scan of it shows that it's relativly simple (It had pictures!). And seemed easy to understand. But it seems a bit too much for the average user. I mean it feels a bit like preaching to the choir. The guide will be most popular among people that already have the ability and desire to move to linux, not necesarily the average joe who is dipping his feet in the water to explore.

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    1. Re:Scanning through it... by qbzzt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hi,

      But it seems a bit too much for the average user. I mean it feels a bit like preaching to the choir. The guide will be most popular among people that already have the ability and desire to move to linux, not necesarily the average joe who is dipping his feet in the water to explore.

      I don't think it's meant for Joe user. Instead, it is meant for Jack CTO and Jane SysAdmin who will be the ones moving Joe user from Windows to Linux.

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    2. Re:Scanning through it... by antiMStroll · · Score: 1

      You skimmed too fast, this booklet is obviously aimed at the Enterprise support. Unless of course you meant that to say typical MSCEs will find it too complex. ;)

    3. Re:Scanning through it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i am an avarage joe that had to dive in head-first because my hardware wont run win9x and i am too much of a cheapskate to blow the money on XP so i learned to make Linux do the job, now that i look back i do not regret switching to Linux...

    4. Re:Scanning through it... by P-Nuts · · Score: 1

      But it's not really aimed at the average users. It's aimed at the system administrator dudes to migrate other people's desktops in such a way that they won't moan too much.

    5. Re:Scanning through it... by JossiRossi · · Score: 1

      ooohhh... *cough* *cough* Well in that case they did a bang up job. (Only so much a kid can skim you know ;] )

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    6. Re:Scanning through it... by Diag · · Score: 1

      Indeed. IBM have been writing Redbooks for years. They get people who are already familiar with the subject matter (such as sysadmins), lock them in a lab in California with the relevant equipment for a couple of months, and let them play and write a book about what they find.

      Redbooks are a fantastic resource. I wish more vendors did the same.

      And lots of fun to write ;)

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    7. Re:Scanning through it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just in California, all over the world. I have a friend that got to take a couple months living in France writing a Redbook. Must be nice.

  6. Profit!!! by paughsw · · Score: 0

    Recipe for Linux Step 1: Download and Burn Knoppix Step 2: Reboot from CD Step 3: ?????? Step 4: Profit!!!!

  7. If IBM gave two shits about the desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then why the hell did it sell it's desktop division?

    1. Re:If IBM gave two shits about the desktop by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1, Troll
      Then why the hell did it sell it's desktop division?

      Because it dicovered that desktop multiplication is far more effective in producing high numbers of desktops.
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    2. Re:If IBM gave two shits about the desktop by csoto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because they want you to pay them to MANAGE your infrastructure, not sell Microsoft licenses for boxes they make 2% profit on.

      Smart move that Novell, Red Hat and others are starting to figure out...

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    3. Re:If IBM gave two shits about the desktop by benjaminchoate · · Score: 0

      I suppose they must've only given 1 or fewer shits?

    4. Re:If IBM gave two shits about the desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IBM selling its PC Division isn't about its position as a PC vendor in the USA. Its about their position as a PC vendor in China. A market with over 1.6 Billion people, that has recently signed a Free Trade Zone agreement with some neighbouring countries that comes into effect in 2010. Its about IBM positioning itself to sell to 50% of the world population whereas Dell is just USA. You ever read The Economist?

    5. Re:If IBM gave two shits about the desktop by dbacher · · Score: 1

      IBM saw a shift coming 10 years ago. Microsoft saw it as well. IBM acted on it, Microsoft attempted to delay it for as long as possible, but also knew it was coming and inevitable. Had they successfully usurped Java, we would never have seen Windows 98 or Me.

      Users, especially in databases, spreadsheets and multimedia (esp. games) are demanding ever increasing levels of performance from computers. The PC as it currently stands cannot deliver what users want.

      IBM knew this was coming and made it quite clear that programmers should follow certain techniques. For example, on OS/2, programmers were pushed towards Java. IBM released dozens of examples on using CORBA to interface Java programs to the work place shell. IBM kept pushing Java as the answer, because if you supported Java you could run on Microsoft's OS and theirs, and their Java performance was much higher than either the Sun or Microsoft VM at the time (in some cases four times the Windows version).

      IBM has had all of its PC manufacturing outsourced for years. If the shift is towards cell and Power as they predict it will be (I think it's likely that they are correct in this, given how many companies are starting to jump on the bandwagon for power), then their PC division becomes useless deadweight.

      If the shift stays on Intel/AMD, then 20% of a healthy PC manufacturer is better than 100% and outsourcing everythnig, and they get a huge cut of China as well.

      In either event, IBM wins.

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    6. Re:If IBM gave two shits about the desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is Dell USA only? You probably need to read The Economist also.

    7. Re:If IBM gave two shits about the desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did those additional 300 million Chinese suddenly come from? The CIA thinks there are only 1.3 Billion! http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ ch.html?
      I guess The Economist should check the numbers.

    8. Re:If IBM gave two shits about the desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean that as an expression of the percentage of their business that they do in foreign markets. Stop taking things so literally.

    9. Re:If IBM gave two shits about the desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the time that you read this, there will probably be 1.5 Billion Chinese. Or by 2010 there may be.

  8. Re:Why not firefox? by halivar · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You'll need to start over with your Favorites and they will not remember your logins.

    Yeah, and once you start over, it remembers them. Your argument is specious at best.

  9. Step 1 by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Step 1: Don't tell SCO.

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    1. Re:Step 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Step 0: Tell Microsoft

      Step 0.5: Get price break from Microsoft

    2. Re:Step 1 by Xenna · · Score: 1

      Banning all religious displays "establishes" Atheism, an unfounded belief in the lack of any higher power.

      No it doesn't. It might just as well establish agnosticism, which is a healthy scepticism against anyone claiming to know everything.

    3. Re:Step 1 by Drantin · · Score: 1

      But wouldn't an agnostic just hover somewhere between banning them and embracing them (the display of them, not physically) I mean, why take the chance at angering a/some possibly existent god(ess/e)/s?

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    4. Re:Step 1 by Xenna · · Score: 1

      The agnostic might also consider that the chances of any believer being right to the extent that the god in question would be offended would be very remote, whereas the risk of religious strife would be (and has always been) very real.

      As an agnostics I also deny that the question if there is a higher superior being has any real meaning to us humans. If other agnostics agree (dunno about that) they would have no problem banning religious displays.

      That's purely looking at the matter from an agnostic point of view of course. I'm sure most agnostics would be against such a ban for other reasons.

  10. What Linux Desktops Need Most? AOL client by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Last week, IBM jettisoned its efforts in the Windows desktop market by selling the PC division to Lenovo, a Chinese company that brutalizes its workers. This event is not surprising. As products become commoditized, their profit margin becomes diminishingly small. As a company with full blown R&D, IBM needs high margin products in order to survive, so IBM felt compelled to sell off its low margin PC business.

    Now, what can IBM do?

    The answer is obvious. Enter the Linux desktop market; its margins are still relatively fat. The software is free, so IBM can low ball the price and still sell a product that has nice profits.

    What the Linux desktop needs badly is connectivity: e.g. AOL client. The #1 application on desktops these days is the e-mail client. A sizeable chunk of desktop customers still use a dialup modem. For e-mail and casual web browsing, all you really need is a 56K baud modem.

    Unfortunately, Linux does not have an AOL client. There is a freeware version of the AOL client for Linux, but AOL does not support this particular client. When you are tech-ignorant customer, you absolutely need the handholding of AOL: America's Online service.

  11. so which, according to IBM, is teh leetest disto? by drxray · · Score: 3, Funny

    And do they mention that migrating must be done in december - show the users xsnow and they'll forget windows in a second...

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  12. Wait for BSD desktop! by xtermin8 · · Score: 0

    I might be easier to build on OS X's momentum. Not that I'm a rabid Apple fan, but I think the linux desktop is going to languish for a while. Even another Java desktop attempt has a better shot at this point. The desktop market just isn't getting behind the penguin, though its a shame. Look elsewhere.

    1. Re:Wait for BSD desktop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      here is an interesting article to read

      http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/index.php?p=77

      If Linux has 3% of the desktop, they already surpass OS X. I'm not all that sure about their projections, but Linux on the desktop, in a fairly short time, has done one hell of a lot more then Apple ever has. Should anyone attempt to 'build on OS X's momentum', they are doomed to languish.

    2. Re:Wait for BSD desktop! by ducomputergeek · · Score: 2, Informative
      Depends on one's needs. In the last 5 years I've gone from one of those rabid pro-linux people to one of more pragmatic in the last two years after I purchased my iBook.

      Why? In my case, OpenOffice was comming along, but wasn't there yet, GIMP's development had kinda stagnated. Didn't notice any difference much from 1998-2002. I never got everything working under linux the way it should and my time to play with such things was getting less and less. For server side things I was switching more and more to FreeBSD and OpenBSD for stuff. When OSX 10.1 came along, it was exactly what I wanted especially on a laptop. All the hardware worked, no having to custom compile or write drivers. Plus, I had access to commonly used software such as Microsoft Office for Mac, Adobe, etc. and I had a Unix core that I could develop in PERL, PHP, MySQL/PosgreSQL, and use some cool mac only stuff like Final Cut Pro along with the iLife stuff. Hell I could even run Windows in a window if I needed too. I needed a jack of all trades that worked so I could spend my time making money by fixing everyone else's systems.

      With that said, there are places in businesses where Linux would make a lot of sense and cents. Retail stores with several checkout systems would make a lot of sense to use thin linux systems with good point of sale software could really add up in savings very quickly because the cheapest computers these days have more than enough horse power to do this.

      Others doing specific data-entry work in a billing department also could use such systems. Eddie Ball, the gutiar string maker, switched over to linux several years ago and things have worked out well. One thing he toughted back in the day was the fact that if an employee didn't need a web browser, they didn't get one. Helps keep workers from goofing off and productive.

      For mass Linux deployement Linux still lacks support from many major software vendor, some hardware vendors, and still lacks a true universial and standard desktop interface.

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    3. Re:Wait for BSD desktop! by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      Why not? Ad hoc experiments done on non-technical friends indicate that for a managed desktop (ie where an admin sets it up and controls it) Linux is easier to use than OS X given zero training or familiarity with Windows. I'd say Linux is getting very ready very quickly.

    4. Re:Wait for BSD desktop! by arivanov · · Score: 1

      You are misunderstanding the OSX momentum as far as the enterprise is concerned.

      OSX momentum in enterprise desktop to any extent will be due to zeroconf and possibility to command mounts via LDAP. If you have 200+ desktops you must have means of propagating unified network filesystem view to them otherwise your support will go mad.

      To this respect the more common breeds of BSD are seriously behind Debian and Suse. I do not count RedHat as suitable, because using automounter on it used to lead to oops and halts as far as 9.0 and they did not give a flying f about this.

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    5. Re:Wait for BSD desktop! by LnxAddct · · Score: 1

      Yes... and so many are getting on the Apple desktop. Linux is free and cheap and can run on many different platforms, and at a low cost. It is easily customizable and it leaves the user in control. The linux market is indeed taking off and rapidly. By 2008 Linux is expected to be a 35 billion dollar industry. Regardless, many more people are switching or trying out linux per day than they are trying apple, simply because its much easier. Not to mention, the only thing apple has going for it is looks. Linux has way more software options and just a better community in general. You highly underestimate it.
      Regards,
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    6. Re:Wait for BSD desktop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Zeroconf/Rendezvous is NOT a enterprise networking technology. It's a NETBIOS-like broadcast systems for small/adhoc networks such as people's houses (aka where they use Macs). As for "commanding mounts", we're talking about a basic NOS feature, not exactly something that's going to take the world by storm.

      It is you who misunderstands OSX's enterprise momentum (there isn't any) because you are bowled over by features supported by NetWare in 1985. 200 users? Ha.

    7. Re:Wait for BSD desktop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux has way more software options I can't think of any software options linux provides, that Darwin can't run.

    8. Re:Wait for BSD desktop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he probably means linux-specific (unportable) code, written by those GNU-crazed coders. ;-)
      otherwise any BSD is as good as linux in the software department, and some are better if you value security at all....

    9. Re:Wait for BSD desktop! by tek.net-ium · · Score: 1
      If you have 200+ desktops you must have means of propagating unified network filesystem view to them otherwise your support will go mad.
      If you have 200+ desktops, you must have means of modifying any configuration file across your network. You don't need LDAP, automounter or whatever is in vogue to modify a flat file like fstab if you want to change something like nfs shares. You just need ssh keys and moderate scripting abilities, which you should already have if you're managing a network that large.
    10. Re:Wait for BSD desktop! by arivanov · · Score: 1

      It is fairly obvious that you have not managed a deployment of this size (or have done it without any extra project load) as anyone who have tried both approaches can tell you.

      1. With your approach mounts are permanent, not ephemeral. As a result in order to propagate a trivial change like moving an export (share) from one server to another you need to hammer out a script and hit every single server with it. In a 200+ workstation deployment you have to do this at least several times a week.

      2. With your approach moving people's home and personal shares around will once again require scripting onto every single system in the office.

      3. With your approach the systems are not interchangeable while with a LDAP or NIS backend they can be made 100% so. As a result if a desktop goes down or is due for replacement (this happens every week or so in a deployment of this size) you can simply throw the first machine you can get your hands onto at the user desk and it just works because all of his personal files are on the network and the config is in the LDAP/NIS backend. With your approach you end up having to hand craft the machine in question.

      4. With your approach you end up having to backup considerably more then necessary because you have to back up a lot of redundant information instead of one LDAP or NIS store.

      5. With your approach you end up shit creek without a paddle the moment you have to do specials and customizations. LDAP on well supported systems (OSX, Debian, Suse) and NIS where supported have well defined means of merging local and network config (the + notation)

      6. Basically, it depends how do you value your time. From your post I think you do not and you are happy to spend most of the day scripting stuff that can be pushed out via a single configuration file change. I simply do not have that time so I will stick with NIS and LDAP and systems which support them well. BSD does not. Just ask anyone who have tried to combine passwd.byname masterpasswd.byname and shadow.byname on one network. Or try it yourself.

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  13. Re:What Linux Desktops Need Most? AOL client by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, how I wish /. had satire tag.

  14. please refine further by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

    >And because these books are developed by IBM there are some content limitations.

    Please refine further what you mean by that.

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    1. Re:please refine further by retinaburn · · Score: 1

      They can't put in stuff like:

      Reasons to switch:
      Windows is f0r fucking lusers man. L1nU> r0cKs!

    2. Re:please refine further by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please do not leave any IBM confidential information on this /.

    3. Re:please refine further by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you work for a company, and you are publishing something under their banner, you can't always say everything you think or know.

    4. Re:please refine further by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, IBM can't say: "Go FUCK YOURSELF in the ASS SCO!!" That is the only, limitation!@

    5. Re:please refine further by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would guess covering potential legal issues from the Smoking Crack Organisation are not likely to make it into the book for a start !

    6. Re:please refine further by rahard · · Score: 1
      Quote from the original poster:
      And because these books are developed by IBM there are some content limitations.

      Please refine further what you mean by that.

      Perhaps, ... that's part of the limitations? No? :)

    7. Re:please refine further by jmkaza · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IBM is a company that develops software. Independents, putting together a similar guide, could say things like 'Postgre SQL is a stable, enterprise ready database that is available for free', but if IBM said that, it could hurt DB2 sales.

    8. Re:please refine further by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      That's why, ultimately, you cannot rely on that book to give you the "optimum" solution for your business. You will get IBM's optimum solution for your business. If the book was really altruistic, and not carry the hidden agenday, then it would be more useful.
      The hidden agenda is that it would help IBM sell more products, peripheral products.
      I'm not saying this is bad, but I think it needs to be explained in the book.

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  15. Re:What Linux Desktops Need Most? AOL client by kclittle · · Score: 2, Informative
    "Last week, IBM jettisoned its efforts in the Windows desktop market..."

    What utter nonsense. IBM has decided to stop making PC systems (desktops or laptops). It has not decided to abandon the Windows desktop (read, 'software') market.

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  16. Suggestion by antiMStroll · · Score: 4, Funny
    "At this point, I'm gathering input for what we could improve on.."

    How about a chapter entiltled "McAfee and Norton: Terminating Enterprise Contracts with no Hard Feelings"?

    1. Re:Suggestion by RazorJ_2000 · · Score: 1

      If I was a moderator, I wouldn't give you a "flamebait" on that comment. It would be rated +5 Funny As Shit!!


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  17. Re:so which, according to IBM, is teh leetest dist by burns210 · · Score: 1
    so which, according to IBM, is teh leetest disto? [sic]

    The one that gets sold on an IBM server with an IBM support contract.

  18. Heres some recipes I'd like to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step by step - How do I update the video drivers?

    Step by step - How do I make firewire work?

    1. Re:Heres some recipes I'd like to see by stratjakt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      How about a series of 12 volume sets entitled "How to burn a DVD", "How to print a photo", etc?

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    2. Re:Heres some recipes I'd like to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to see "Making Wifi adapter work" in the 2nd edition of this cookbook. hahaha

    3. Re:Heres some recipes I'd like to see by djp928 · · Score: 1

      Step 1: Install Ubuntu
      Step 2: ... There is no step 2!

      I have a netgear wireless card in my laptop. Not only did Ubuntu detect it during the install, it asked me if I wanted to use it or my wired card as eth0 (I chose the wireless) and used it to download all the updated packages after it did the base install from CD. That's something that no other version of Linux has ever done on that laptop.

      -- Dave

  19. Re:Why not firefox? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    "Unlike Secure IE, both FireFox and Opera do not support these time saving features. You'll need to start over with your Favorites and they will not remember your logins."
    Ummm I thought FireFox imported my favorites but I have been using it so long I could be wrong. And yes it does rember my logins.

    " They also both don't use industry standard displays, which means lots of new quirks to get used to!"
    What the heck are you talking about industry standard displays!!!!
    You are not a paid shill you just play one on TV?

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  20. Dumbass thinks "remembering logins" is "secure" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I know. Don't feed the trolls, especially the stupid ones.

  21. So by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Funny

    You want feedback on a book so you ask the folks at a site where they never read the articles they post about.

    You're job is in jeopardy, my friend.

    -Peter

  22. Am I the only one who thought... by paughsw · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one who thought of this when they saw this article? Sco being the flying fish of course.

  23. Excel by chris_mahan · · Score: 4, Informative

    I notice that you leave out the potentially greatest problem: Very Complex Excel spreadsheets migration to OO.org.

    This, for most companies, and especially for financial companies, will be an enormous deal-breaker.

    If the book is challenged on that point, then you will lose credibility.

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    1. Re:Excel by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Forget Excel, think about all the Access, FoxPro, or Delphi databases/apps out there.

      The only person in our company who could switch to linux would be the front receptionist. And she'd need to dual boot so she can still do all the FedEx stuff.

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    2. Re:Excel by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, that's true.

      We have thousands (i kid you not, it's a zoo) of access databases. From 1-off forms to 500+meg extracts.

      oh, and visio. There's nothing in opensource land that opens a visio file correctly. (please someone prove me wrong).

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    3. Re:Excel by nfk · · Score: 3, Informative

      They do address that point, when they say the following:

      "As for migration of office productivity suite applications, at this time we believe that the odds for migration success currently favor organizations or end users that do not rely heavily on use of advanced functions in Microsoft Office..."

      Or just read the grey box marked Important, in the second page of the introduction.

    4. Re:Excel by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      ah, well, that only shows how well(not) I read the 200 pages.

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    5. Re:Excel by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      Very Complex Excel spreadsheets migration to OO.org.

      Yes, I have the same problem at my site. But all this stuff is done with scripting, so you know how it is supposed to work. Gnumeric is getting better all the time (better than OO calc, recently) and might be a contender for this market

      Crossover office may be solution for the medium term, allowing a period of migration

    6. Re:Excel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who gives a shit? Keep sending those checks to MS every year.

      Nobody has any sympathy for companies who were dumb enough to lock themselves into a single source vendor.

    7. Re:Excel by arivanov · · Score: 1

      Or migrating very big speadsheets. In my experience no matter how much I hate excell it can open file with millions of entries. Same for gnumeric. OO will also open it, but it will be unusable starting from a few tens of thousands.

      I know that data of this size should not be kept as a spreadsheet. I do not keep it myself. A lot of people do though. In fact this is likely to be a bigger problem in SMBs then in large corporates which have databases for such things.

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    8. Re:Excel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you get down to it, nobody has any sympathy for unpopular desktop operating systems like Linux either.

    9. Re:Excel by nightsweat · · Score: 1

      Or Excel spredsheets hooked into other applications like Hyperion or this wicked ugly budgeting app we used this year called Outlooksoft.

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    10. Re:Excel by IO+ERROR · · Score: 3, Informative
      Keep your MS Office if you must; versions up to Office 2000 run just fine in Wine. Wine is also VERY good at those little custom developed in-house vertical apps that all large companies seem to have lots of.

      For one phone company I know of, which has such a Windows app for their customer service representatives to work with customers' accounts, I demonstrated it running perfectly in Wine. I was able to access and make changes to accounts just the same as if it were running on Windows, with no trouble whatsoever.

      If it's not mentioned already, some discussion of Wine and its suitability for those types of applications definitely should be included.

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    11. Re:Excel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. This is a serious problem. Just generating the output of a program as a CSV file and wanting to do a few plots can require tens of thousands of lines of data. And you are right, in OOo, it becomes unusable (what is wrong with their graphing routines?). This led me to write my own damn plotting routines (which is easy, but tedious... placing labels has more code than the rest of the plotting stuff). I don't have a fancy GUI to manipulate them, but they now (on iteration 4) come out exactly how I like.

    12. Re:Excel by Knetzar · · Score: 1

      Small parts of large corperations often act like SMBs.

    13. Re:Excel by Stevyn · · Score: 1

      Is this running from wine out of the box, or with some tweaking? I use crossover office (yeah, wine, I know) and it runs most applications I throw at it without any problems. However I haven't had much luck with wine running programs out of the box.

      So if it runs out of the box, then that's great. But if it required some tweaking, then that's an area of expertise that can't be expected from most people.

    14. Re:Excel by IO+ERROR · · Score: 1
      So if it runs out of the box, then that's great. But if it required some tweaking, then that's an area of expertise that can't be expected from most people.

      I run Gentoo, so it runs out of the box...once it's compiled. In a corporate setting, the sysadmins will be doing any necessary tweaking; the users won't have to worry about anything except filing trouble tickets if something breaks (which happens frequently enough on Windows that they all know how to do it).

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    15. Re:Excel by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Wine is also VERY good at those little custom developed in-house vertical apps that all large companies seem to have lots of.

      Good luck getting the outside company which developed those systems to support them running on Wine.

  24. Comments by quamaretto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's nice to see The GIMP given some recognition, in that it is broadcasted as a replacement for Paint Shop Pro, which is IMHO fair to both programs. I'm glad they didn't say the same thing of Photoshop, which would have been altogether a bad move. The other choices (Firefox, OpenOffice) are predictable.

    I'm not sure how I feel about seperating "Component Desktop Environment" from "Desktop Environment" from "Window Manager", but the seperation is arguable. (GNUStep! Whoohoo!) It's clear they're recommending exclusively using either KDE or GNOME, if the user environment needs to be tightly controlled. Fine by me.

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    1. Re:Comments by krgallagher · · Score: 1
      "It's nice to see The GIMP given some recognition, in that it is broadcasted as a replacement for Paint Shop Pro, which is IMHO fair to both programs. I'm glad they didn't say the same thing of Photoshop, which would have been altogether a bad move. "

      Actually they did, in Table 4-2 Sample application survey. They list gimp as the only target for Adobe Photoshop 7.0 migration. I personally do not do a lot of graphic maniplulation, and do not use either of these applications so I cannot comment on how appropriate that is.

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    2. Re:Comments by quamaretto · · Score: 1

      I guarantee you, it's not. I'm not a graphic designer either, but I have used both programs. I have also worked with graphic designers, and most of them would laugh their balls off if you told them they had to switch from Photoshop to Gimp, and then they would go work for a real company.

      The reasons behind this are pretty clear: Adobe Photoshop is a program that has been designed and implemented at huge expense to be the Platonic ideal of graphics programs, both for print and for web graphics, and has accumulated every desirable feature concievable, with respect to highly paid professional graphic designers.*

      GIMP is indeed going in the direction of a Photoshop replacement, but right now the main purpose of it is for web imaging, and the size and momentum of the project are not enough to challenge Photoshop in features or quality. (Yet.)

      *The feature I'm talking about is being fully scriptable, and in a common language. Gimp has Perl, Python and Scheme; Photoshop AFAIK has a non-turing script thingum that isn't very powerful.

      I'm not saying Photoshop always trumps Gimp. I use Gimp whenever I can because it runs faster on my computer and I know it better; but I typically only have to do minor things. (cutting images out of "web page designs" done in Photoshop, which therefore are not actually web designs :)

      Of course, Gimp wins in a straight price comparison. :)

      I have to note, as an aside, that any company that must switch away from Windows would be well advised to bribe the graphic designers with some shiny Macs for their design tools.

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  25. AOL Client? by xtermin8 · · Score: 1

    I don't think IBM is looking to bring an AOL linux client to the market. AOL isn't looking to support linux either. The OSS desktop needs something new, a new "killer app," maybe a variation of ITunes for linux. Unfortunately Apple has its own operating system. Frankly, I don't see much opportunity for desktop linux anywhere. Back to the drawing board.

    1. Re:AOL Client? by dbacher · · Score: 1

      AOL is moving the vast majority of their services onto the web, and supporting their client for dial-up users only in the very near future (cnet reported on this several days ago).

      Remote applications are vital. Right now, you have VNC and X which attempt to route the desktop to you, and then you fall all the way to web applications which can't behave very much like the programs users typically use on their desktop.

      The next killer application will be developing a standard system to have a program with all the functionality of a fat client on the user's system, while operating on data and processes on a remote server.

      We started with monolithic applications, then we implemented terminals on them. Then we implemented client server. Then we took out the client and went back to terminals.

      If you look at HTML, it's not a very rich or satisfying task to do things with it. It takes a lot of effort to make something that approximates OO.o's word processor or spreadsheet, for example.

      But we know with publisher/subscribe and with web services, that we can send just data over the wire.

      We know if there were a generic client that could deal with this just data, that it would be an order of magnitude faster then sending individual drawing commands over the network, and that it would require les bandwidth.

      Yes you can do it with Java, or .NET, or the technology de jour, but for it to work and be successful, it needs to be a standardized client that doesn't have to be downloaded every time talking a standardized and extendible protocol.

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    2. Re:AOL Client? by jrcamp · · Score: 1

      You obviously missed who this report is by, so let me repeat: IBM.

      This is not about moving home users to Linux. This is about moving enterprise desktops to Linux. Unless you're a manager with nothing better to do than play on shockwave.com or maybe a few games of solitaire, then iTunes has no place in business.

      I know it's asking a lot, but at least read the title of the article you're responding to.

    3. Re:AOL Client? by xgamer04 · · Score: 1
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  26. We had alot of trouble with phone software by unixbugs · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If an office is serious about migrating, especially call centers, there has to be good software on the new desktops that can support VoIP phone networks. We are forced to use a broken implementation of Wine to get our phone software to work, and we are almost forced to go back to windows because of the proprietary phone network that isnt going anywhere.

    Phone software is a must. If I had the skills I would write some myself but I wouldnt even know where to begin. We have to rely on one stupid piece of shit app that crashes consantly, and is barely functional, in order to log into the phone network. Whats worse, we are forced to pay for upgrades that contain only minor bug fixes. More often than not the bugfixes break other parst of the software, like the "LOGIN" button. Are there no open standards in place for removing the dependency on proprietary software for phones?

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    1. Re:We had alot of trouble with phone software by retinaburn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why is this modded at 0?
      Applications outside the norm (but inside what is standard for some Enterprise businesses) is exactly what this book should be covering.

      Most people can install linux. It's when you run into a corrupted video driver, or firewire not working, or WiFi not working that an inexperienced linux user will get throw their hands up. Add to that a big wig breathing down your neck to determine migration feasability and it gets pretty easy to answer 'Nope, not yet.'

      For example. I installed fedora core 3 a little while back. And my video was completely messed up, it wasn't refreshing properly. Now here I am an IT professional, but not a Linux geek. So I try to google, but couldn't find a match. It was an old machine I had converted over to Linux, so I didn't know that it was an Intel(97?) on-board video, which happened to have a corrupted driver in fedora core 3. But without the knowledge of the hardware, I had no chance of finding the problem.

      Linux can be great for an enterprise, but when you have many different configurations of machines, different user levels, it has to be easy to get your techies up-to-speed and trained to know what to look for, before they can even begin to handle the monstrocities that the users will throw at them.

    2. Re:We had alot of trouble with phone software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not to difficult to teach them.

      Make them all use Linux on their workstations. Give them bonuses to using Linux at home, and offer documentation and training material.

      Also hirer a few guys with good Linux knowledge and place them strategicly around the place. Pay them slightly more and tell them it's their job to help get everybody else up to speed.

      In a couple months most of the IT staff would be good enough to take care of most cases and you'd still have a few experianced admins to take care of the hard cases.

      It's a hell of a lot better then having them run spybotblaster or whatever all day long on everybody's machines.

  27. Re:Why not firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    URL: http://www.secureie.com/c/002/guides/browser_compa rison/compatibility.asp?source=slashdottroll

    Cute...

  28. Good paper - glosses over multimedia by csoto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The huge impediment for us implementing a Linux or Solaris-based thin client system has been the relatively crappy support for media streaming (primarily ISMA-compliant MPEG-4). Yes, there are lots of MPEG tools, but most of these are libraries, command line tools (essentially for ripping/stealing content), or "players" that lack any sort of polish, instead prefering to have "sci fi" interfaces or such nonsense.

    There is already a suitable alternative to the Windows desktop: Mac OS X. They get the whole media concept right.

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    1. Re:Good paper - glosses over multimedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      linux multi-media across thin clients can use some improvements. Flash embedded in a webpage lack sound. Mplayer works fine with the exception of low end video cards. Xine works where Mplayer doesn't. Music players like XMMS works very well.
      On the other hand, I'm not aware of any OSX thin client solution which handles the distribution of multimedia, please share.

    2. Re:Good paper - glosses over multimedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was thinking about that today actually. I'll share my thoughts.

      Today I had a movie split into two parts that I wanted to concatenate. I've done this in both windows and in linux. In windows, I had to download a program that if it was freeware it was crap, or it was commercial and I found a crack for it. Both situations are a pain in the ass.

      In linux, I emerged (gentoo speak for install from source) a small tool of about 100k of source that took about 30 seconds to compile. Then from the gentoo forums, I found the command line to concatenate the files. The whole process was pretty painless compared to what I had to go through on windows.

      I didn't think much of it earlier today, but after seeing your comment, I think that programs that simply perform the task that's needed are much more useful than windows apps that are a hassle to find and use.

    3. Re:Good paper - glosses over multimedia by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with Xine exactly?

      It does have a bitmapped interface, but it doesn't look any less professional than, say, Apple's QuckTime player.

      There is also a Gnome frontend to Xine which uses native widgets... I don't know how you can get less complaint-worthy than that.

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    4. Re:Good paper - glosses over multimedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have you seen the latest version of windows media player.

      that makes even jesus want to cry in horror.

    5. Re:Good paper - glosses over multimedia by hazah · · Score: 1

      I would just like to point out, that Mac OS X has an associated cost of hardware. From what I know, there aren't any popular PC ports. Maybe someday, I definately wouldn't mind.

    6. Re:Good paper - glosses over multimedia by Knetzar · · Score: 1

      How can you put Apple's QuickTime player and professional in the same sentence? It looks like a toy.

    7. Re:Good paper - glosses over multimedia by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 1

      The post I replied to was implying that Macs had more usable client software for multimedia than Linux's "Science Fiction Interfaces". I was merely stating that QuickTime's interface is as bad as anything for Linux.

      In conclusion, QuickTime is worse because I can't figure out how to get it to play full screen.

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    8. Re:Good paper - glosses over multimedia by bfree · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with vlc? It was initially designed for just what you describe! What am I missing?

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    9. Re:Good paper - glosses over multimedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think there's a problem as far as viewing a stream. I use mplayer on OSX and VLC on windows. Both are available on Linux.

      Where multimedia lacks on linux is in driver support and core multimedia foundations. Seriously, we still live in an era where setting up audio is a pain in the ass and on OS X it 'just works'. And how about those lovely ATI drivers for Linux?

      And on the software side quicktime is an API that is well documented and any developer can access just like any other set of classes. Where's Linux's single API that supports most all multimedia stuff and developers can depend on being on all desktops?

      That beast don't exist, at least not an ubiquitous one and I don't think it'll exist for a looooooooong time.

      I'm not saying don't choose Linux at all for multimedia work (movie studios seem to have no problem with it), I'm just saying that that area of the stack is still very balkanized as far as what developers have to work with. The apps that are out there roll a lot of their own code which could otherwise just be handed off to a system API. This leads to overlapping code and redundant effort. If developers didn't have to concentrate on such bits, they could spend more time working on other things and we'd likely have a more well-rounded set of multimedia apps we could name off the top of our heads which would be compatible with each other.

      It isn't the apps we're lacking here, it's the environment. I'm not trying to label it as a fault so much, I just think that it's something that will be created when it's time comes, and just that it hasn't been fully addressed yet.

    10. Re:Good paper - glosses over multimedia by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      apparently you have to _pay_ for that feature in quicktime

  29. For starters by narsiman · · Score: 1

    Release the drivers for all thinkpad components and chipsets - even a binary version should do.

  30. Re:Interesting by Nighttime · · Score: 1

    Note to mods too lazy to click thru to Amazon - it's a book entitled "The Ultimate Guide to Anal Sex for Men"

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  31. netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux desktop is dead. Long live OS/X desktop, and all the BSD goodness.

  32. I applaud IBM for this. by michael+path · · Score: 4, Informative

    I applaud IBM for this Redbook. It is very detailed in terms of providing an IT Administrator the ammunition to begin a pilot project for a Linux migration.

    I've never seen a great book for migrating to Linux on the desktop for enterprise users. What really sets this book apart is its discussion on the ability to move Linux to the desktop while maintaining Microsoft products on the server side. While most organizations start by adding Linux servers, and never migrate their clients, this provides a strong start point for desktop migration.

    IBM is very committed to Linux. For most of their server products, like WebSphere, Tivoli Access Manager, DB2, etc., Linux is certainly a preferred platform. This book, and the sale of their desktop division, confirms that they're trying to dethrone Microsoft from enterprise dominance and assert their place as a Linux (and AIX) software and services company.

    1. Re:I applaud IBM for this. by supremebob · · Score: 1

      The Redbook is a nice sentiment, but I'd be MORE impressed if IBM "put their money where their mouth was" and did an internal rollout of Linux to all of their own corporate desktops and laptops. Sure, they're trying hard to migrate from Windows and AIX on the server side, but they seem to be ignoring the advice of their own RedBooks on the client side.

      Hell, I remember requesting a Linux client for Notes a LONG time ago back when the hottest new desktop Linux distribution was Red Hat 7. They were dragging their feet with the client-side applications back then, and they STILL seem to be doing it now.

    2. Re:I applaud IBM for this. by powerlinekid · · Score: 1

      Notes for Linux is in development is quite usable as of now. Hell I used to dual boot a RedHat box and run Notes 4.5 through Wine on IBM campus. Notes isn't the issue.

      But yeah, I'd love to get a linux box here at work. They stuck me on a Windows XP machine :-/...

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    3. Re:I applaud IBM for this. by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 1

      link please for notes on on linux - and please don't come with some rubbish browser based thing - full notes client with all functionality.

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  33. A few comments by nizo · · Score: 1

    You might perhaps include under the Application porting information about things like cygwin, vmware, crossover office, etc. for running windows tools under linux (and the other way around, i.e cygwin). I am still looking at the document so you may already have this, but it would be really really helpful if you could include resources for converting from various microsoft proprietary formats -> some other format as well. I am in the process of migrating people off of an exchange server (and probably eventually totally off of outlook) and migrating address books, folders, etc isn't much fun.

  34. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probable GNAA sympathizer :)

  35. Migration and Education by tdhillman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The greatest impediment to migration remains the level of IT knowledge in the prospective user base. My superiors make their decisions based on information (and mis-information) given to them by Microsoft based vendors.

    There exists a compelling need to build the Lnux market (and awareness) within the educational community at all levels- if the book can tell not just an IT person, but also a non-IT person why Linux is truly a compelling choice, migration will make more and more sense. Students working on a Linux desktop will become the corporate users.

    So, any treatment of the subject would be enhanced by an awareness that the younger users will become the older users.

    I've got a cadre of students who have moved from Windows onto OpenBSD for educational purposes, and they are rapidly becoming advocates of open source and alternative desktop choices.

    Don't forget that education is an enterprise as well, often deploying thousands of desktops.

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    1. Re:Migration and Education by jimicus · · Score: 1

      My superiors make their decisions based on information (and mis-information) given to them by Microsoft based vendors.

      That's something which always puzzles me.

      Mercedes-Benz says "The new Mercedes is the best car in its class!". I would expect most people to say "No kidding. What do you expect them to say about their own product?"

      Yet software companies say "Our product is the best on the market" and PHBs the world over say "Really? Tell me more..."

  36. destop deployment track plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. burn custom knoppix iso
    2. remove local hard disk
    3. insert knoppix in cd rom drive
    4. boot
    5. connect to network disk drive

  37. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now we all know what stratjakt is into. Pardon me while I puke....

  38. One additional thing by confusion · · Score: 1
    I've been thinking about this for a while. One of the big obsticles is that most companies have a horde of fat clients written specifically for .net/etc., or web-based relying on IE/activex. One of the other posters above mentioned really complex excel spreadsheets, too.

    The reality is that those things do exist and are show stoppers. I was thinking the way to tackle that is to have a citrix server/farm for people to connect to for those apps that require Windows. Over time, you can migrate away from those applications.

    This is a very thorough article and most likely will convince more than a few companies to take the plunge.

    Jerry http://www.syslog.org/

    1. Re:One additional thing by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      Yes, agreed. rdesktop for linux does just fine (watch out licensing costs for TS though).

      On ActiveX, the current Firefox trend should help. Developers who work on both the external and internal sites, having to target firefore more and more, will rely on activex less and less.

      Further, on .net, one should look at mono. (that too was mentioned in the book.)

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    2. Re:One additional thing by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      rdesktop is better than nothing but it is still crap compared to TSC. My hat is off to the developers for making it work at all, but it usually doesn't work at all. In fact I built the latest and greatest so I could run it on my server on my XDMCP login from my iopener, and ended up having to run an older version included with m4i to connect to my winxp system. Neither version manages to give me a reliable connection over the LAN if I am running Cygwin/X, though TSC/RDC client have no problems. If rdesktop is the answer, the question must not have been very serious.

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  39. More please .... by UnderScan · · Score: 1
    I noticed at page 116, 6.1 Example client migration:
    6.1.2 "Identify important applications and infrastructure integration points"
    Since the user role for this workstation is primarily for writing books using Adobe FrameMaker, that most important application and the most important infrastructure components are printing and access to network file shares.

    The first thing to note about the Adobe FrameMaker application is that there is no Linux alternative. There is no Linux native version, and moving to another application on Linux is not acceptable from a "business" point of view. In other words, FrameMaker is a unmigratable application that has to be handled like described in 4.7.2, "Terminal Server, Citrix Metaframe, or NoMachine solutions" on page 82.

    Printing using the network printers and accessing shares in the NT4 domain means that the methods from 4.2, "Integrating with existing network services" on page 45, have to be followed.

    So I jump to 4.7.2 page 82:
    4.7.2 "Terminal Server, Citrix Metaframe, or NoMachine solutions"
    If the application can run centralized on a server, solutions like Windows Terminal Server, Citrix Metaframe, or NoMachine can be used to access them remotely. Before an application can be moved to a central server some conditions have to be met:
    - The application has to be able to run on a multi-user environment. A multi-user environment has several consequences:
    --- Settings are stored in multiple places in the registry and file system.
    --- More than one user can be running the application simultaneously.
    - The application license must allow running on a multi-user environment.
    - Resource needs of the application have to fit with more than one instance of the application running or with multiple applications running on the server.

    Client applications are available for Linux for Terminal Server, Citrix Metaframe, and NoMachine. The client for Terminal Server is OSS. The Citrix client is available when you purchase Metaframe solutions. NoMachine has the NX client available for download.
    Section 4.7 titled "Un-migrateable applications" is about five pages. Are there nother red books, white papers, or HOWTOs that would fill this gap? I nominate section 4.7 to be improved.
    1. Re:More please .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "With support from such companies as IBM and
      others that deliver key client
      platforms, such as Lotus® Notes®, the Mozilla
      Web browser, open office suites, and Java
      desktops, Linux is gaining momentum as a
      desktop operating platform."

      Notes? IBM doesn't do a Notes client fot Linux. Would love to see one though.

    2. Re:More please .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Notes? IBM doesn't do a Notes client fot Linux. Would love to see one though.


      No, but the windows client is almost flawless under wine. (not an accident)

    3. Re:More please .... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Something that could be useful in a situation like this is looking at OS X. OS X does run Framemaker (although it is getting a little long in the tooth) and is probably a better solution than trying to use Citrix. A look at when it is and is not a good idea to use a Mac OS X or other Unix compatible workstations would be very useful.

      Note: I have only glanced at the book in question. If there is already such a section, well then this can be ignored.

  40. Better app support by IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am a subcontractor hired to IBM Glabal Services and an avid Linux fan. I find IBM's desktop Linux support for "employees" is abysmal. It's almost impossible to get the apps needed to do your day to day business outside of the standard Koffice - if I wanted to VPN from home or a client site, so sorry not supported.

  41. It just works ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can give you my view, after been running Windows2000 on clients and Windows2003 on servers for a year.

    We decided to move from Windows NT4(on both workstation and server) to Windows2000 on desktops and Windows2003 on servers last summer.
    We have about 800 workstations and 15 servers.
    We are 8 in the staff, and with very various experience/skills.
    Migrating workstations was a fairly simple task.
    We use RIS(remote installation services) to deploy Windows, just boot from a floppy, enter username/pw and 15 minutes later Windows is up and go.
    We deploy our programs using ActiveDirectory, this requires MSI packages, me make MSI packages for those who hasn't.
    ActiveDirectory hasn't failed once on us, I'm pretty satisfied with that.
    Every settings the users need(My documents redirection, IE homepage, startmenu and so on) we configure in ActiveDirecty. Very clean and well working.
    Patching is done /via SUS(Software update services), very simple, does the job.

    Setting up this system was a fairly simple task.
    So far, if something hasn't worked as expected it has been hardware failure.
    We haven't have _one_ malware/spyware case so far.
    (No one run as local adminstrator, if a driver isn't working we fix it with ACLs)

    As much as I like Debian(I run it myself, on all my (personal)production servers and ws), I couldn't imaging Debian replacing our system at work.
    Those who are saying Windows2003/2000 is unstable seems pretty unserious to me.

    If there's one thing wanting us to switch from Windows2003/200 is the yearly 1Billion bill to Microsoft...
    (Please I'm not a Microsoft troll, but I wanted to tell you this)

    1. Re:It just works ! by phek · · Score: 1

      its great to know you can successfully do your job, but now I'm curious what the parent poster asked, what actually prevented you from running linux? specific applications, user training, etc?

    2. Re:It just works ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think is point might be that if you use the Windows admin tools that are available (and many do not), Windows is not that expensive to run relative to a Linux network.

    3. Re:It just works ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basicly the programs are holdings us back.
      We are running all kinds of programs, from Autocad 2005 to electronic design and simulation.
      A total of 50 win32 programs I think.
      User training shouldn't be an issue really, as we pay Microsoft a _lot_ of money. Spending those money on other things would be a joy :)

  42. Spell Check by skreuzer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You might want to run a spell checker on it. I caught a couple errors. (Page 137)

  43. Not before I can buy a Thinkpad with Linux... by linuxhansl · · Score: 1, Troll

    or with no OS, will I believe that IBM is sincere.

    A few months ago I tried to buy a ThinkPad T41 with either Linux pre-installed, no OS, or at least a breakdown of how much the Windows OS contributes to the total price.

    I sent a very friendly email to the IBM customer support asking for either of the three options.

    I got a one line response:
    IBM ThinkPad's are not sold without Operating System. Thank you for your interest.
    (Or very similar in wording).

    Words are meaningless if not followed by actions. Of course IBM wants machines of *other* vendors to be converted to Linux. As soon as there is some impact on IBM offerings, it seems to be a different story.

    1. Re:Not before I can buy a Thinkpad with Linux... by octaene · · Score: 1

      IBM, like Dell, Gateway, and HP are locked into a licensing agreement with Microsoft that precludes them from selling a system without a Microsoft OS installed. That's the price IBM pays for being able to license Windows for internal use and external resale!

    2. Re:Not before I can buy a Thinkpad with Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Offer to buy 10,000 thinkpads w/Linux (and show that you are serious and have the means) and see the doors open.

      Company X isn't going to build a custom configuration of anything more complex than a hamburger in order to sell a single unit.

    3. Re:Not before I can buy a Thinkpad with Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Offer to buy 10,000 thinkpads w/Linux (and show that you are serious and have the means) and see the doors open.

      Company X isn't going to build a custom configuration of anything more complex than a hamburger in order to sell a single unit.

      Mod this one up folks. I hate it when your zealot/fanatic calls up a company individually and asks for an obscure request, then when the poor hapless CSR can't comply, posts a rant about philosophy. Losers.

    4. Re:Not before I can buy a Thinkpad with Linux... by aurelian · · Score: 1

      I hate it when someone gets called a zealot for making a valid point about the reality of a company's retail strategy.

    5. Re:Not before I can buy a Thinkpad with Linux... by just-a-stone · · Score: 1

      the thinkpad i got provided by some company doesn't even have windows keys, but two nice grey "switch terminal" buttons - just perfect for linux.

      it still was in the original packing and had no windows installed, only a small "designed for windows XP" sticker - that i kept for amusement.

      and after all notebooks of other vendors (HP, compaq, acer) where i chose to run on linux, i'm really satisfied with my thinkpad.

      of course, i had to tweak lots of things for myself, but very often i came across ibm e-mail addresses within the sources i had to compile. maybe they are not yet self confident enough to promote their linux support on their own (i mean, not any more their own but using their brand name) notebooks, but i'm already pleased by the few things they provide - it's at a good start at least.

      tpbrc proposal:
      THINKPAD firefox http://www.againsttcpa.com
      :)

    6. Re:Not before I can buy a Thinkpad with Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      a valid point about the reality of a company's retail strategy.


      Which is completely irrelevant because the original article is about a whitepaper for large corporations, dumbass. Corporations that don't call up the 1-800 line and buy one or two Thinkpads, but by several thousand at a time. Organizations that aren't so petty as to choose a vendor or operating system based on ideology, but on cost savings.

    7. Re:Not before I can buy a Thinkpad with Linux... by linuxhansl · · Score: 1

      Troll? This actually happened. How can this possibly be trolling?
      Is IBM above criticism?

    8. Re:Not before I can buy a Thinkpad with Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't remember exactly, but wasn't M$ force not to use that in their settlement?

    9. Re:Not before I can buy a Thinkpad with Linux... by MartinB · · Score: 1

      Couple of things (as well as the very valid points already made about trying to order a non-standard ThinkPad as a one off):

      1. IBM internally is challenging itself to move to Desktop Linux. I doubt it'll be on the basis of re-imaging all those ThinkPads, but will instead be in the standard refresh programme: when you get your new ThinkPad, it'll be Linux.
      2. If you look at any recent (last year or two) Thinkpad, you'll note a lack of Windows key - there's no assumption there that the OS will be Windows.
      3. Being able to buy (or not) a Thinkpad with Linux or no OS will very soon no longer be an indicator of any IBM thinking - like the rest of personal computing, the ThinkPad range will be owned by Lenovo as of 2Q05.

      (Disclosure: I work for IBM, but in an entirely unrelated area of IGS)

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  44. Lotus Notes? by slepzelt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry, directed comment:

    This is all nice and well, IBM, but what's really a sticking point for my workplace is the fact that there's no native Lotus Notes client for Linux. So far, IBM's solution for Notes is to run it under WINE.

    I actually *despise* Notes. As a Notes developer I met said "It's great for lots of stuff, but email isn't one of them." Unfortunately, that's how most corporations I know of use it.

    So, until I can convince the powers that be that Notes royally stinks, I'm afraid, we're stuck using it. Which means that we're stuck with Windows, 'cause they won't go for WINE either.

    So, IBM, if you're listening, it sure would be nice to have a native Notes client.

    1. Re:Lotus Notes? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why won't they go with Wine? FWIW I did the Notes 6.5.1 support for Wine, and we have a lot of people happily using it.

    2. Re:Lotus Notes? by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      A-fucking-men!

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    3. Re:Lotus Notes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a developer with something of a love/hate relationship with notes. From what I've heard, it's currently being migrated to Eclipse. If that's true, (and I have no links to back it up) I think the linux version of notes will work a lot better. You're right, as of a few months ago it sucked under WINE.

      I also believe that there's already been a decent port to Linux in the last few months and WINE is not necessary. But I haven't looked, myself, since around February. So I may be a pretty bad resource.

    4. Re:Lotus Notes? by jwsd · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your interest in a Linux-based Notes solution. We appreciate your being an IBM product user.

      Since Notes has been a mature product, the majority of its development team has been reassigned (think laid off) in the previous company wide reorganizations. We are currently considering out-sourcing the Linux Notes development to India. A second option under consideration is to publish the Notes API and rely on Open Source developers to build the Linux version. But we need to figure out how we can still make money out of the free work of others. We'll keep you posted when a decision is made.

    5. Re:Lotus Notes? by Chemicalscum · · Score: 1

      IBM Workplace 2 is intended as a replacement and extension for Notes uses an Eclipse based platform. So you have to upgrade from Notes/Domino to Workplace 2 if you want an Eclipse based OS independant "Rich" client.

  45. Re:so which, according to IBM, is teh leetest dist by krgallagher · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "so which, according to IBM, is teh leetest disto?"

    I think the real answer is "because these books are developed by IBM there are some content limitations." IBM does a pretty good job of not participating in the distribution wars. In the section titled "1.6 Linux overview and distribution choices" the only mention of distributions by name is this sentance: "Some of the most well-known distributions include Red Hat, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake, etc." IBM has technology aliances with both Red Hat and SuSE so they cannot publicly endorse one in favor of the other. A quick search of the pdf showed that Red Hat was mentioned 110 times and SuSE was only mentioned 15 times. Debian and Mandrake were mentioned six and seven times respectivly. I doubt that really proves anything.

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  46. Entire content from linked site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The grandparent post's content is an excerpt from the linked site. If you think that excerpt is bad, just read the rest of that page. And get this -- the program is $50. (But hurry! You ARE saving $50 off the normal price.)

  47. My suggestions: by Cat_Byte · · Score: 3, Informative

    Page 27: using smbmount to map network resources. You could mention you can do this via a gui very similar to the network neighborhood thing if they are in Gnome or KDE.

    You might want to add Mac software to the list of *nix equivalents.

    Add a section on locking down the workstation. It won't take people long to figure out they can ssh to anyones box and start messing with people. Any users familiar with setting up windows shares can only share certain folders (barring administrator access to c$, etc), but they probably won't know that if they use a crappy password, someone can gain access to every folder they have. Which reminds me, mention password rulesets and how to implement on the authentication server solutions listed.

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  48. Here's an idea... by decep · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about a Lotus Notes client for Linux? You cannot completely migrate to Linux even if you work for IBM.

    WINE is not the answer. I say this from experience. NUL (Notes under Linux) is complete crap. IBM does not even offer the web based solutions internally.

    1. Re:Here's an idea... by mark0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, IBM has developed a Java client for Lotus Workplace, which includes Domino access. Of course, it runs on Linux:

      href="http://www.lotus.com/products/product5.nsf /w docs/workplaceclienttech

    2. Re:Here's an idea... by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2, Insightful
      OK, I pointed this out elsewhere in the thread, but I was one of the guys who worked on adding Notes 6.5.1 support to Codeweavers Crossover and I know for a fact that we have plenty of happy customers - including IBM employees - using it in their daily business. Several of them have signed up for our advocate program and ranked Notes as a "Gold" app which means they think it works perfectly.

      Now, the NUL RPMs that IBM distribute internally are not produced by Wine developers. They are (as far as I'm aware) not produced by the Lotus Notes team either. They're simply a skunkworks project that some dudes hacked together - good for them, but the difference between a product made by a company of Wine experts and the NUL RPMs is significant.

      I have personally got Notes installed here, and our bug database has remarkably few issues with it. The primary ones are with complex databases that embed Java - effectively you're running two apps at once here, one inside the other. The other issue is that you need 6.5.1 not 6.5.0, although if somebody was keen the issue preventing 6.5.0 from working is probably not too hard to fix (if you know C and want to work on it, let me know).

      IBM don't talk about Wine generally, although nobody is really sure why not. In general they are remarkably vague about it, typically citing "legal issues" - it's so vague, in fact, that you could argue it amounts to (dare I say it) little more than FUD. In fact, in its 10+ year history the Wine project has never been made aware of any patents that it infringes (though I imagine some exist on the grounds that all non-trivial software infringes some patents), and as Jeremy White has pointed out elsewhere in this story, a convicted monopolist cannot use patent lawsuits to restrict the competition anyway.

      As to why they take this stance, your guess is as good as mine. Lawyer paranoia, seeing the OS/2 Windows compatibility as a scapegoat for its failure, or [insert conspiracy theory here] - whatever the reason, such a glaring ommission from this Red Book does not do the Linux community any favours.

      This is especially true as there are simply so many apps out there that are not migratable: eg the bazillion and one custom Visual Basic apps out there that either cannot or will not be rewritten in a portable framework. Even web apps can have serious portability issues, these cannot be addressed over night, and some will never be addressed. Think how many banks still use software written in COBOL, for instance.

  49. The official rule. by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 1
    Rule 1 for the Linux Desktop Migration Cookbook is... don't talk about the Linux Desktop Migration Cookbook.

    1. Re:The official rule. by djdavetrouble · · Score: 1

      that somehow tickled me as being extremely funny, despite being an old meme. comedy is 99% timing...
      cheers to you for making me laugh out loud !

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    2. Re:The official rule. by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      Only old koreans use the Linux Desktop Migration Cookbook!

  50. Re:What Linux Desktops Need Most? AOL client by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does IBM compete in the Windows desktop market? ... Lotus Notes? (snort)

  51. Quite insightful. by PornMaster · · Score: 1

    I wish I had mod points to mark this insightful.

    If they were supporting it on their own hardware, people would expect free handholding. Now, when Dell or HP or whomever drops the ball, IBM can charge for every second they spend picking up the slack.

  52. The redbook barely mentions WINE by dudeman2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find this astonishing, especially since Codeweavers product provides excellent compatibility for MS Office and other Windows applications. Maybe this is what the author was referring to when he said "...there are some content limitations"?

    1. Re:The redbook barely mentions WINE by jeremy_white · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yup. Wine is not a permitted topic for IBM; they had a nice Whitepaper on it get published a while back, and the author didn't realize that was against the rules, was slapped, and the paper is down now.

      The delicious irony of this is that they use Wine heavily internally to run Notes.

      I don't have any clear visibility into why this is; I get a lot of hemming and hawing about it, but no clear vision. I suspect some back room handshake agreement with the folks in Redmond, but have no real proof for that.

      They try to raise an argument about patents, but IBM themselves know that a proven monopolist cannot successfully prosecute a lawsuit over patents (which is why IBM prosecuted no such cases from 1935 until 1985, because they got slapped in 1935 for antitrust violations when they did so).

      A perhaps more straight forward explanation is that using Wine greatly reduces the amount of services that IBM can provide you with :-/.

    2. Re:The redbook barely mentions WINE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IBM also wants to uncouple from x86 processors, as well as Windows. They do manufacture processors, don't they?

  53. I stand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's much easier to reach the back of your ass when you're not sitting down. Get off your fat ass and wipe your fat ass, I say.

  54. Anything Mac can do Linux can do better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basically MACs are Free BSD boxes with propriatary device drivers for their propriatary devices.

    If you get drivers the Linux will work just as well.

    I think that for the artsy people who need to do art, then if you have the money do the MAC thing.

    Otherwise, go with Linux.

  55. make it a tool for developers by chatooya · · Score: 1

    i think a key result of the book could be to identify all the ways that developers can make the process easier for users. when you find something particularly egregious in the installation process, you could make a note of it in an appendix. that would help evolve linux to a position where you don't need to read a book to use it...

  56. Another great migration document... by Poetic+Intensity · · Score: 1

    Novell also has released a wonderful migration checklist of sorts. It's a list of important factors to consider before trying to switch your enterprise to Linux. Thought someone might be interested in it.

  57. Only if they have passwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last I heard you have to have a password to ssh over to another box.

    If you give out your passwords then you know what you can expect if you have aholes working with you.

    The only way that you can really get forked if you ssh is to do an ssh from a root to a root of another machine. Then if someone on that other machine is there as root and wants to do mean things to your machine, then they are able to if (and only if) you did not do some command line flag to prevent this.

    This is a very stupid thing to do. This stupidity is why there is not SDLinux (a kernel with NSA patches).

    So, ssh isn't that bad a thing, now, is it.

    And it won't be a problem unless you are stupid as a user and do what they say not to do.

    OK, are we clear on that?

    1. Re:Only if they have passwords by Cat_Byte · · Score: 1
      I know its stupid to respond to an AC..but... from my post..but they probably won't know that if they use a crappy password, someone can gain access to every folder they have.

      From your post And it won't be a problem unless you are stupid as a user and do what they say not to do. Uhhh ok....and where in your mental state did you come up with this? I said they need a password policy to keep bad passwords from happening. Where are you getting off ragging on me saying this? Are you 12?

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  58. Re:so which, according to IBM, is teh leetest dist by the-matt-mobile · · Score: 1

    Red Hat was mentioned 110 times and SuSE was only mentioned 15 times

    I'm currently working with IBM consultants on a POC and they mentioned to me (unofficially) that they use SuSE for their development and once their code is working there they port to RedHat. This of course does not mean anything more significant than the number of references to RedHat over SuSE in the article.

  59. Simplify... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just loaded Slackaware 10.0 for the first time and am pretty fresh. I did have a few months experience on IRIX a few years back and loved it. Slackaware is pretty sweet but I would find it difficult to recommend to anyone who does not have some serious curiosity and or insight.

    My biggest complaint is the complexity associated with simple tasks when approached as a neophyte. My first few hours were spent playing with "man", it took me a day to figure out haw to start the GUI. I don't know what I would have done without access to the net. My skills are improving by the hour and the more I look the more info I find. I am a curious individual and think that most of the problems I have encountered so far could easily be a show stopper for someone who just wants there computer to work let alone someone with few computer skills other than surfing the web or using a word processor.

    Again I am very fresh with little knowledge of what is available but I think some sort of configuration manager with a checklist of functionality would be useful. One could be directed to the list initially and systematically set up all the packages they are interested in running and put a nice big checkmark next to the application when it is running properly.

    There is a great deal of information available but one should not have to read an entire book to get the web browser running. It would seem to me that for Linux to go mainstream that the housewives and non tech oriented individuals should be able to get a system running without taking a class at the community collage.

    I personally chose the trial by fire method: find cool distro, download images, burn to disc, install new hard drive... I also purchased a copy of the distro and plan to reinstall when I get it, I consider this a practice run. .02
    Mike

  60. Re:so which, according to IBM, is teh leetest dist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in IBM and I can tell you that IBM has no corporate "standard" linux distribution for developers to use. Different projects use different distributions. For example I have both Red Hat and Suse installed on my workstation for testing and customer support, but I manly use Debian when I do my development work.

  61. Version 2 should say... by wayn3 · · Score: 1

    IBM *still* has a boatload of software that SHOULD run on Windows only. What I'd like to see in Version is words saying the following software is NATIVELY supported on Linux:
    * Lotus Notes
    * Sametime
    * SmartSuite

    If you're going to support Linux, support it completely, fer cryin' out loud!

  62. In case you haven't heard: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IBM doesn't make Thinkpad's anymore.

  63. I want to but can't by ashitaka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    180 user Law firm with:

    Large vertical-market accounting system (Elite) with .NET-based web time-entry interface that absolutely, positively requires IE.

    Word using Interwoven Desksite Content Management System. Call me when an Open Source CMS can intercept OpenOffice File-Save and File-Open to present a metadata profile dialog or folder structure that assigns metadata based on the folder in which the document is stored. No frickin uploads.

    Anything else could probably run in Wine.

    There is an effort to put together a Law firm Distribution (LAWnix) but right now it's just picking the best pieces.

    I would suspect more than a few companies are in this situation.

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    If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
    1. Re:I want to but can't by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      Word using Interwoven Desksite Content Management System. Call me when an Open Source CMS can intercept OpenOffice File-Save and File-Open to present a metadata profile dialog or folder structure that assigns metadata based on the folder in which the document is stored. No frickin uploads.

      I really don't think it would be that hard to build a custom version of OO.o with a File->Save-to-CMS button and some code/scripts to handle that stuff. Sorry to hear about the non-standards-compliant web interface, tho...

      --
      When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?
    2. Re:I want to but can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Large vertical-market accounting system (Elite) with .NET-based web time-entry interface that absolutely, positively requires IE.

      Ahh yes, developing Internet Explorer-only applications. Infoworld calls this the eleventh biggest IT mistake.

      Anything else could probably run in Wine.

      I was under the impression that Word and Internet Explorer already run in Wine?

  64. Re:What Linux Desktops Need Most? AOL client by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    ...Lenovo, a Chinese company that brutalizes its workers

    Lenovo is not mentioned anywhere in the linked document.

  65. employee bonus by zogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    when you are trying to rollout a new desktop, give them a hundred dollars and some slack. Say "yes, we know you might have to learn as few new things, but give it an honest try for a little while, and here's a bonus to help pay for your personal training".

    Cash talks, market speak BS boss orders walk.

    People are at YOUR work because they want to MAKE MONEY, not because it's a hobby for them, you are asking them to keep doing their jobs they are doing now PLUS learn an all new system to them (most likely), so pay them for it, at least something. A little extra, a bonus. What cash you now don't ship to Redmond, shoot them a little bone for their efforts. Cash really perks people up and gives them a little enthusiasm, because humans are stubborn and they don't like to change. Grease the wheels of inertia a little. You pay your sales weasels bonuses for a "good job" above and beyond, same with all the other PHBs,so do it with the rank and file grunts, too.

    Recognize that humans are humans and you are putting them out-even if it's for their own good and the companys own good in the medium and long term. they don't really understand that, they understand "this much work daily and NOW I have to relearn all this crap and..." You get the picture. Pay them for new things they have to do.

    And technically, I don't think you can beat a live CD distro with a stick for a transition period, even if it's just setting up a few generic boxes with it running in the break room in advance of the switch, let them play with it before they are under pressure to produce on it. Give them free CD install disks they can take home and put on their own machines if they want to, the same stuff you will be running at work. That can't hurt either and is certainly cheap enough to do.

  66. The Failure of Comples Spreadsheets. by twitter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I notice that you leave out the potentially greatest problem: Very Complex Excel spreadsheets migration to OO.org.

    Others have noted that this point is addressed. The author conservatively steers clear of such dissasters.

    "Very Complex Excel" migration is a failure, even if you stick to M$. OLE and calls to other functions are each invitations to something not being on the next version of Winblows. Worse, M$ changes their scripting so you can be sure you will have work to do no matter what. I know a guy who was doing Nuclear Power Plant thermal balance calculations with a big nasty sheet. It even called the local high school to get weather information that was then used for regulatory purposes! The thing was a tremendous pain in his ass that needed constant upkeep and had all sorts of quirks that could give you wrong answers. He was using the wrong tool for the job and needed to replace it with proper and stable tools.

    For normal sheets, OO, gnumeric and even kspread are doing a very good job with opening complex sheets. I've been very pleased lately when trying to open old cross section calculation sheets. I've seen my old graphs. They are doing about as well as M$ junk itself did with my older sheets. In the worst case, I've got the nasty old things on an http server, so I can go get them on a Winblows box and see them. A company could easily keep a few Winblows boxes or just use Xandros with it's excellent Crossover Office setup.

    If the book is challenged on that point, then you will lose credibility.

    I don't think so. The author said it would not work. He was being conservative but surely knows as well as I do how things are going.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:The Failure of Comples Spreadsheets. by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      I agree with everything you said. And someone else did point out that the author had mentioned it.

      [Dream mode enabled--relatively off-topic]

      What I would really like is spreadsheet grids in a distributed computing envirnment, out on the net, with limitless bounds, and all the excel functions, supplemented by real programming on specific functions.

      To some extent, web services do provide some of this.
      [/deam mode tuned down (it's never really off)]

      What you point to, however, is that complex spreadsheet functionality should be moved to a better platform/environment.

      Any suggestions?

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      "Piter, too, is dead."

    2. Re:The Failure of Comples Spreadsheets. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Moderators: Please note that "twitter" is a known fanatical sycophant whose obnoxious offtopic rants are legend here on Slashdot. It doesn't matter what the topic is, he'll find a way to scrape in some pointless Microsoft bashing. While nobody expects us to love Microsoft in any way, his particularly tepid style of calling anyone he replies to "troll" or "liar" or "fanboy" because he happens to disagree with whatever they're saying is well documented and should not be rewarded. If anything, twitter is the type of person that should not be part of the open source/free software community. He is an anathema to all that is good about free software.

      I'm posting this so that you (the moderator) have some context to consider twitter and not mod him up whenever he posts his filler preformatted rants about installing Knoppix or Mepis or whatever that unfortunately get him karma every single time and allow him to continue posting his trademark toxic crap (read on) day in and day out. You may consider this a troll - I consider it community service. And I ain't kidding.

      If you're a /. subscriber, I invite you to look through some of his posting history. I guarantee that you'll be hard pressed to find someone that is more "out there" than twitter. You'll also probably notice he's got quite an AC following. Don't just read his posts, make sure you go through the replies.

      To get an idea of what I'm talking about, check this post out. This is an article about email disclaimers. The parent of the post is complaining about the ads in the linked page and so on, and twitter actually goes off on a rant to blame it on Microsoft and recommend Lynx, because "is teh free".

      Here's another. In this post twitter not only calls the OP a troll but attempts to "tell it like it is" while making some vague argument about "GNU". Yes, if you're confused, you're not alone. The reply (modded +4) proceeds to simply destroy his bogus argument. You will notice he did not reply. This is what some people call "drive-by advocacy". A sort of I'll just leave you with my thoughts here and move on to the next flamebait kind of deal. In fact, he almost never replies because he knows that his fanatical arguments simply do not hold up to any sort of discussion. It's not that he's chosen the wrong cause - he's just going at it in a completely wrong way.

      Here's that drive-by advocacy and FUD in motion: twitter goes on about some topic and then drops the usual "oh and M$ is teh evil" because "WMP phones home" or some such. Called on his FUD, he then claims that WMP stores every song and movie you've ever played in a file, somewhere. Pressed further, he just sort of slithers out of sight, his FUD-spreading complete. This is not about some Microsoft technology that nobody likes anyway; it's about lying for the sake of lying. Way too many of his posts are exactly like this one.

      More? Just read though this post and the subsequent replies. I guess this stands on its own. Or these two. Or this one. Or this one.

      Still not convinced? This is what twitter considers "humour" while going about his daily "M$" routine.

      M

    3. Re:The Failure of Comples Spreadsheets. by twitter · · Score: 1
      What you point to, however, is that complex spreadsheet functionality should be moved to a better platform/environment.

      That's an interesting dream. I'm not sure it's a good idea though. Spreadsheets are designed to visualize data. When the data gets too large, it must be processed before you can visualize it, usually in a specific way. A spreadsheet, which displays every data point is not the best tool for the job. It's better to process the data outside of the sheet and reduce it first. Various batch programs and plugins do that job. When the job becomes routine, what you need it an entirely different program rather than a general spreadsheet. The best use for a spreadsheet is simple "what ifs" and quick graphing. It is a mistake to use them for complex tasks and large data sets.

      Gnumeric does a nice job and it's my current favorite. If your dream surpasses my imagination, I recommend you work with it.

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      Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  67. Agreed by HangingChad · · Score: 1
    Words are meaningless if not followed by actions.

    Why aren't IBM notebooks some of the first dual boot machines on the market? You can't convince me that with IBM's resources they can't produce a neat little laptop. Buy Xandros and tweak that if they had to.

    Hello, McFly! Anybody awake in Atlanta? All aboard the clue train, leaving on track 9.

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  68. Don't downplay security advantages. by twitter · · Score: 1
    On page 13, the author repeats the Marketshare Myth of Browser Security. "Another temporary advantage of open source browsers is their small marketshare relative to Internet Explorer on Microsoft Windows ... This advantage would diminish in the long run as more clients begin using alternative open source browsers." This and other arguments like it are demonstrably false for three reasons:
    1. Free browsers will never have monopoly marketshare. There are dozens of good browsers out there now. No one will ever have Microsoft's ability to shove the worst of class on the world again. If we restrict ourselves to Konqueror, Mozilla and others it's easy to see that no single browser will ever get more than 50% market share again.
    2. Free browsers will never make the fundamental security errors that Microsoft will never fix. The author notices these reasons for better security but still makes this mistake. Increased market share will not make people run things as root and distros that do will simply lose marketshare.
    3. Free Software has a proven security record in areas where it's THE target. IIS gets creamed even though it's a minority product while Apache does not. Microsoft mail products get hosed though the majority of the world's mail is sent with free and open software that does not get hosed.

    The approach of "these advantages will go away" makes it look like you expect "I love you" style network instability from free software. That's not going to happen and we should not act like it will.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:Don't downplay security advantages. by ninthwave · · Score: 1

      Not completely true. The recent javascript vulnerabilities across a wide scope of browsers show that a flaw in the core protocols of the web can be shared in the varied implementations across different browsers.

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      I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said: "I drank what?" - Chris Knight (Val Kilmer)- Real Genius
    2. Re:Don't downplay security advantages. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the author repeats the Marketshare Myth of Browser Security. [...] This and other arguments like it are demonstrably false for three reasons [...] If we restrict ourselves to Konqueror, Mozilla and others it's easy to see that no single browser will ever get more than 50% market share again.

      So you claim that the market share problem is a "myth" yet you claim that it won't be a problem because no browser will go past 50%? Which is it?

      You sound like a fanboi to me. Basically I see this happening: Free product is released. It's supposed to be sooo much better than Commercial Product - indeed, perfect. Ooops, FreeProduct is downloaded 10 million times and the vulnerabilities begin to roll in. Fanbois now claim that "we fix them faster". And users continue to be apathetic about their own security and never patch their Free Product, resulting in the same end effect that the fanbois chuckled at with Commercial Product.

      Unless open source makes people's IQ increase by 50 points automagically I doubt you're going to be proving your points for much longer.

    3. Re:Don't downplay security advantages. by twitter · · Score: 1
      The recent javascript vulnerabilities across a wide scope of browsers show that a flaw in the core protocols of the web can be shared in the varied implementations across different browsers.

      That was one weak exploit and java is not free. The exploit required me to be browsing a dirtbag site while also doing something serious. More importantly, it did not work on my browser and I imagine it no longer works on ANY free browser. That's the end of that, no?

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      Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    4. Re:Don't downplay security advantages. by ninthwave · · Score: 1

      It was javascript not java.

      Which is an open standard.

      But the theory is an open standard when used to the standard could create a situation that is insecure.

      The broad statements of your initial post is not completely true.

      I prefer Linux for the access rights control which I believe gives me better security. As programs run with least privelege which helps save my system.

      The open nature just has a more quick turn around time on fixes. Theoretically it could me there is a much more quick time to exploit. Which is why other aspects of free software security model help.

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      I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said: "I drank what?" - Chris Knight (Val Kilmer)- Real Genius
    5. Re:Don't downplay security advantages. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That was one weak exploit and java is not free.

      It was JavaScript, not Java, you ignorant turd. And what does it matter if it's "not free"?

      The exploit required me to be browsing a dirtbag site

      All of them do, you ignorant turd.

      while also doing something serious.

      What? What an ignorant turd.

      More importantly, it did not work on my browser

      Translation: I'm the only important issue here.

      and I imagine it no longer works on ANY free browser.

      Assuming you patched. Because everyone patches their computer, right turd?

      That's the end of that, no?

      Translation: I can't argue with the facts, so I'll just slither away. Thanks for making me look like an ignorant turd. Again.

  69. Re:so which, according to IBM, is teh leetest dist by TheToon · · Score: 1

    Well, I'm working in IBM and tho I'm not commenting on this officially, I can say that we take the distro part seriously. That means we don't favour any distro over another. Some departments test on suse first, then redhat. In other deptartments it's the other way around. Suse has had better support on power cpus than redhat, but with red hat enterprise linux version 3 that has changed to a large degree.

    When you develop something, you must have some base level versions of compilers and libraries to develop on. Then you test on different versions to check that everything work.

    As another poster pointed out; whatever sells our servers, software and services... :)

    As any big corporations, we're pimps. I just like to think that we're honest about it, and as good pimps we try to make our customers happy.

    ouch, maybe not PC.... ;)

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  70. RE:Linux Desktop Migration Cookbook from IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since IBM is doing all this work on the Power architecture, why not just use OS X..easy transition..everything works..

  71. MetaFrame and targeted replacement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've worked and consulted in lots of places with all those silly little one off apps in the popular desktop fat app environments (Fox, Access, VB, Delphi, and PowerBuilder). I think a lot of them could be dealt with by using something like a single (two if you like redundancy) beefy servers and MetaFrame.

    Put the ones you need on it, and then immediately start evaluating rewrites on them. You'll probably be able to onsolidate/eliminate several of them and port the rest.

    It's healthy, really. Spring cleaning so to speak.

  72. Mod parent UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ...those little custom developed in-house vertical apps that all large companies seem to have lots of.


    This is the killer for lots of companies.

  73. One word ... by dominic.laporte · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ubuntu !

  74. Gimp development is slowing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reasons Gimp is runing out of features to add only the more complex ones are left. The next version should at last have 99% of photoshops features. The last major feature left is greater than 8 bit per colour processing ie program build from the gimp source code has this feature just has not been merged back in yet. Yep 2.2 should have this at long last. After this is mouse angle tracking brushs with textures this can be hell to code.

    Also next version of gimp has console level processing with out X11 nice.

    Speed of development matchs to the features that can be added. OpenOffice should keep crusing for a few years yet.

    For mass deployement not software vender linked it is only hardware vendors go back prewindows software developers where manly Unix and C64 and other strange systems. Linux will clone this will become more of a problem as clone software appears on windows so software vendors will have to fight opensource anyway and Opensource will not die as long as it has a home ie *NIX.

    Last years many major movies used software based of gimp for image processing ie once this merges back in Photoshop will have a problem.

  75. please ibm by XO · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now, if only IBM would actually give us a useful Desktop, like.. oh.. PORT THE WORKPLACE SHELL TO RUN ON X11.. please? Give me the code, I'll do it, if you don't want to spare the resources.

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  76. Start from within by dozer · · Score: 1

    What about IBM's own Lotus Notes? I know a number of companies that could convert a large number of desktops to Linux if only it ran Notes. IBM really needs to fix this if it wants people to take Linux on the desktop seriously.

  77. Lack of funding by the_rev_matt · · Score: 1

    Man, I certainly hope that with the money from the sales of their PC business IBM can finally afford to get a spell checker.

    I'm four chapters into this book. While there's a lot of great information and ideas, it reads like a rough draft. Given that I haven't seen a story on cnn.com with FEWER than 3 major spelling or grammar issue (most frequent error on cnn: Sentences that missing word! (yes, that's intentional)) in years, I suppose this book is not all that terrible. There are several pages so far that have not had any significant ones...

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  78. language support by deano · · Score: 1

    this is absolutely the biggest joke in linux - support for multiple, co-existing languages on the same desktop. No logout/login to change a paragraph into farsi, please! Macs and even poor shlub Windows manage this fine, but talk about a wide-ranging lack of support - internationalization exists in little splintered bits from the kernel to OOo, and is very* inconsistent.

    Whether you need multiple languages daily, or just to open/deal with a multibyte font in excel (even though the whole of the file was typed in english), until this is working much* better in linux (crossover office comes close, but not quite), it just isn't going to be an option onn an increasingly-internationalized desktop.

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  79. curious timing from ibm / desktop sale by findingflow · · Score: 1

    Given that IBM has sold their desktop division to Lenovo, and IBM involvement with Apple is widely rumored ... what might be their motivations for releasing this Redbook now? To put it another way, the only IBM interest I can see in this matter is to generate as much IBM GS work as possible.

  80. Maybe he would have a better guide for migration.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If the person actually used Linux for the desktop himself.
    anonymous@coward:~$ pdfinfo sg246380.pdf
    Title: SG246380.book
    Creator: FrameMaker 7.0
    Producer: Acrobat Distiller 5.0.5 (Windows)
    CreationDate: Thu Dec 9 21:59:31 2004
    ModDate: Thu Dec 9 21:59:31 2004
    Tagged: no
    Pages: 268
    Encrypted: no
    Page size: 612 x 648 pts
    File size: 5529624 bytes
    Optimized: yes
    PDF version: 1.3
  81. Your sure that Linux tool isn't Windows also? by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    Pardon the naysaying but when a post is done anonymously, when it neglects to mention what the saves-the-day Linux tool was, when it is incredibly vague in every respect I become suspicious. I understand being vague when not anonymous and I understand being anonymous when mentioning specific tools in a negative light or when mentioning engaging in question behavior. But anon and vague smells fishy.

    Cancatenate two files. Surely this was not simply concatenating two binary files, as would be the case when a large movie is split into pieces for download. DOS's "copy /b" can manage that. So I'll assume you meant to say that you wanted to combine two individual and complete movies into one.

    What Linux tool saved the day? What's the harm in mentioning what it is? Nothing improper about downloading the source and building it. Could it be that this tools builds under both Linux and Windows, like so many useful tools that seek a large audience?

    Again, I apologize for being so suspicious but something about this post just struck me as very weird.

  82. Typical /. asshattery by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

    From TFSummary:

    ...At this point, I'm gathering input for what we could improve on...

    Only on /. do we get people WHO MODERATE WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SUMMARY.

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    When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?
  83. GNU License OOPS, and typos by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
    Chapter 1, Page 7
    • Modified source code may have distribution restrictions. The license should explicitly allow the redistribution of derivative works. This cannot include the patched code, since patched code may not be considered derivative work.
    I'm not sure what they were trying to say here, but it's almost certainly wrong. It is at best misleading and/or confusing.

    What I would say (IANAL) is:

    1. You may limit the distribution of modified code to within your organization.
    2. If you redistribute code outside of your organization, it must include access to the source code.
    3. Recipients of source code (original or derivative) must receive the same redistribution rights as you had to the original.
    ____
    Typo on page 8:
    A complete Windows-to-Linux desktop migration may required that you re-program some applicaitons to run natively on windows.
    I'm thinking that that should be:
    A complete Windows-to-inux desktop migration may require that you re-program some applicaitons to run natively on Linux.
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  84. Re:What Linux Desktops Need Most? AOL client by The_Dougster · · Score: 1

    Personally, I think they bailed out on the PC market because their cell processor probably kicks so much ass its going to make PC's obsolete. No doubt it runs Linux also. I see better days ahead, my friends... Of course this is just wild speculation on my part.

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  85. Re:Maybe he would have a better guide for migratio by clard11 · · Score: 1

    Ouch, cheap shot :-) IBM produces many 100s of Redbooks a year and there is a standard toolset to maintain consistency. However, the source material given by the authors to the editors could have been done on any platform, in most any format...

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  86. They've sold "Thinkpad"... by midgley · · Score: 1

    to a Chinese company. I think this will make a difference.

  87. Hi Chris by MicroBerto · · Score: 1
    Hi Chris - You have my dream job, and I'm very jealous! Can I come work for you? :)

    I am graduating in June of 2005 from the Ohio State University with a BS in computer engineering and a business minor. I have a great amount of experience dating back to my days at an ISP when I was 16 through my engineering/IT co-op with a very large company. I'd love to send you my resume! Send me a message, thanks!

    PS: Don't look at my comic linked below if you would ever consider hiring me... haha

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  88. IBM Books are gobbledegook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I too have written tech manuals, but for a different segment of the electronic industry. That was many years ago. I, however, have seen IBM pubs for many years. They follow a pattern, a mindset or cultureset if you will, that fills every page of every book that they produce. Where some err on the side of 'brevity', IBM is the opposite. Every author who writes for IBM must evidently conform to certain style rules or they simply do not last as a tech writer:

    a) Ease into the subject of the space of
    hundreds of pages of trivia not even remotely
    related to the subject;
    b) Pointedly leave out critical details of
    the hardware and software environment by assuming the readers know them, and do this to the point where progress is impossible without separate help;
    c)Write the book in legal technobabble so that all meanings are ambiguous and pointedly vague.
    d)Bury useful information in the middle of
    unrelated topics such that it is unindexable, unfindable, and once encountered, is so unrelated to surrounding material that it is either dismissed or easily forgotten.
    e) Base many concepts on other IBM products and other manuals and 'incorporate by reference' this other information so that you have to go out and try to buy these in order to begin to understand the stuff in the ten pound slug that you have in your lap;
    f) Redefine the whole language of technical english so that a whole new culture of scientific related 'kant' has to be learned;
    g) In short, one has to be an IBM customer engineer and has to have gone through IBM field engineering schools and absorbed IBM culture in its entirety in order to make sense of any IBM pub
    --and by then you know the true value of
    all of these books....they make very fine
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  89. Re:Flame me Baby! by xtermin8 · · Score: 1

    I'm not responding to the article moron, I'm responding to the post titled "Greatest Need of Linux: AOL Client" You dumb fart!