Um... You didn't bother to read the last paragraph of my post.. I thought about deleting because it may have been too condescending.. But apparently it wasn't in this case.
And the ironic part of Tannenbaum's observation is that sneakernet actually *is* at times more efficient than using some low-latency telecom network. Not that anything is wrong.. that is the whole point. He wasn't lying. Try it and see. Even Internet2 can't compete with my van filled with Western Digital hard-drives. It really boils down to an observation on the bandwidth/latency trade-off.
So at this point I've completely lost the point you had. But it's too late for me to care.
You're honestly comparing cheap pieces of plastic used as a storage medium and sold at retail with a telecommunications network and infrastructure??? Really? You think everyone here is that retarded?
I mean, sure all info is measured in bits, so telecom is measured in bits and so are DVDs. But gasoline is measured in gallons, and water is measured in gallons... That's about the level your example is working at, IMNSHO.
There's a reason that the irony of "sneakernet" is funny... You seem to have missed it. Why don't you just stick to disk media if that seems to solve all your problems, and is cheaper.
Umm.. you do realize that CBBS and Ward Christensen should be ample clues that this was a dialup BBS issue and not an Internet issue. Things were a lot more closeknit on dialup BBSes.
You know.. what you say is true, but of course useless and we are (depending on how you count) on the 2.5th or 3rd iteration of WiFi "security". The thing with WPA2-PSK... the whole shit is actually somewhat complex, its isn't any simpler than a DH protocol. What merry band of fucktards could do this? How could the system break down so badly. I know standards bodies suck anushole... but how could such shit like this happen.
Fuck you... this is an issue of a fundamental freedom. An application as powerful and useful as a browser should have the right to alter an setting in the registry it wants!!
There is a difference.. 4chan *is* an image board and really nothing more. It's content and the type of images (and I was implicitly endorsing nostril rape as positive, mind you) are driven entirely by the users. The site carries very little aesthetic or even direction (although it has some) on its own.
Lamebook is supposedly catering to a specific purpose, but it is just using whatever piece of crap blog software they could find for it, putting up butchered, pain in the ass pngs, which is certainly not elegant. The comment system sucks worse than 4chan, believe it or not. And probably the biggest problem is that it is so heavily ad-driven it looks like shit with or without AdBlock.
I'm not trying to sound all pro *chan -- but is that really what Lamebook wants to be, yet another shitty chan? Then call it Lamechan.
BTW, Lamebook basically reminds me of failblog, but not quite as lame... but close.
Oh yeah, just to emphasize your doltishness... The ARM includes processor core IP that is integrated or implemented both with and without an MMU. That is MY ENTIRE POINT. Since the option is there, if your plan is so well thought out, why do integrators EVER use the MMU if it is merely an option and according to you seems to be unnecessary?
Yeah, that doesn't count.. Blaming OSes for micros in 1985 for not using what is basically emulation for everything is really quite silly.
Even today, there is virtually no platform that doesn't allow some native code execution to 3rd parties. Those that don't are very limited in their application (and yes, a mainframe as impressive as it may be, doesn't make a very good machine for running Crysis or playing Farmville).
Also you do realize that modern JIT implementations rely on a modern MMU to offer minimal performance costs.
Firesheep users are generally not malicious actors... just pranksters. Ironically, a real malicious actor would just use Firesheep to just grab sessions and then use SSL as described to actually use them, which would be beyond what BlackSheep could deal with. I wonder if that is already doable with the install of the EFF extension and Firesheep and no other modification.
Ummm... you do realize that the examples he was giving were precisely to point out how stupid and arrogant it would be to pick names of one's choosing to identify a nationality. Those are called rhetorical questions by the way. Are you completely retarded?
Ok... after looking over the facts I am taking Facebook's side.
Lamebook may be a parody site, it may even feature nostril rape, but that site is an absolute mess and looks like shit, and its basically a shitty blog of images. Based on technical merits alone it should be wiped off the Internet by any means possible. This kind of shitty design shouldn't be encouraged.
No, it wasn't. I was addressing a post that nearly claimed that the US went downhill from some original panacea of equitable treatment for all over the past 200 years, and attacked the implicit notion that social and economic issues in 1780 were somehow similar today except for funny wigs.
My comment had nothing to do about slavery directly or the 3/5 compromise itself. It was a comment relevant to the thread, not intended to be a history lesson. Get over yourself, history nerd.
For starters: The word "started" was used imitating the original post, and that was meant in an informal style. Relative to the enforcement of the US constitution as the law-of-the-land, what was said about "started" was perfectly accurate. And that's right, heavens, I'm implicitly ignoring the AoC in the interests of brevity and assumed irrelevance in this case.
Your "helpful" history-lesson, Professor Nerdrage, doesn't actually contradict my point in response to this thread. My point wasn't to repeat 8th grade history, sorry.
Considering the country pretty much started out with each black human being counted as 3/5 of a person (for just one thing), I think your assumption about the "express intention" of not having two sets of rules is at best, disingenuous.
But the whole denial thing is really anti-Nazi. No one denies that Hitler hated jews... I have yet to hear a neo-Nazi claim that Mein Kampf wasn't authentic. Few would argue what was meant by "Final solution".
So denying the holocaust is just a big fucking middle finger to Hilter and all his friends... basically calling them incompetent.
It's anti-Nazi and anti-Hitler. And who will protect them??! Luckily section 189 of the German Criminal Code, where it is illegal to disparage the memory of a deceased person... So these neo-Nazis are breaking that law as well.
A lot of people might, dumbass. Where I live, I can't get more than 1 meg up for home service (under $70/mo), so using my home connection as a general purpose VPN forwarding point would suck ass on many sites.
Also, since the issue here is about the Facebook population... the intersection of Facebook users and SSH port forward capable people is probably a very small percentage of Facebook users.
Luckily I don't have a geek card to turn in, and if I was forced to have one I would gladly turn it in, since the more self-identified geeks and hackers I meet in recent times, the more I come to the conclusion they're mostly idiots at this point. Ever since "geek" became some kind of shibboleth, it's been all down hill.
Fuck being a geek. There is no virtue in being capable in one area to the detriment at all others. It is indeed possible to dedicate one's brain to both number theory and cryptographic fundamentals, and still be able to solve simple cost-benefit problems.
No one remembers CIH??? And that was such a HUGE thing for a while. Of course, it only turned the machine into a brick. But the concept is the same. CIH wasn't even the first, but notable because it wasn't a buried in the back pages thing either. CIH was the impetus for the dual copy "BIOS protector" that I think still marketed on some motherboards to this day.
You're not that smart, or ahead of your time at least, cause CIH was the talk of the town over 10 years ago. EFI sucks balls for sure, but it really isn't what makes this shit possible.
Finally, I think this story is being a little inaccurate for my tastes and kind of conflates hardware with software (and I will admit the line can be very hazy).. but there is a practical and economic difference between a ROM with a backdoor that relies on the "trust" of the host to execute its code, and a backdoored piece of hardware that handles data (say a CPU or a disk controller) that spies passively or actively affects data that it is entrusted with.
The key difference in what is "trusting" what, and what mechanisms are failing. To a systems designer there is a difference. Moreover, even if you say to this, well I'll just audit my ROMs for backdoors (prevent untrusted ROMs), you are still screwed, because how the fuck can you trust the CPU in the box. How do you know the CPU (or GPU as people have mentioned), don't execute what they want despite what you tell them? The ROM problem is really just the software trust problem moved into a chip... the latter is different, and something that has been talked about for years. Read the old Gutmann papers from 20 years ago on secure deletion. Not new.
If they don't do something retarded, like make the torrent a single zip file (and even that is not the end of the world), since it is a torrent, you could selectively download portions. It all depends on how they catalog the files in the torrent. HTML file level granularity would definitely not be feasible (or smart), but there are other methods that would be a good compromise.
So no, if the people are not complete retards, then you wouldn't have to download the whole thing.
Considering that these people are putting effort into preserving geocities, I don't know about the retard bit though. We'll see.
I wonder what Jason Scott would think about this. Personally, textfiles is one of my favorite places. But this doesn't feel the same.
I think a well written easy to use parsing add-on that simply sniffed facebook data and displayed it would have made a pretty big stink. Firesheep just knocks it out of the park. Your MITM safe cookies would not solve the eavesdropping.
But of course, none of this is new stuff to even a retarded networking person, its just the presentation and packaging of firesheep that makes it so surprising to some.
Exactly. Microsoft is not IBM, I never meant to insinuate that. The point was that IBM is a successful company without having much of a consumer brand.
Also, I claim Microsoft was never much of a consumer brand, from a marketing standpoint. Microsoft Windows has share because it comes by default on commodity machines. That is a bit of a special case. The Xbox is a better example, but when you place Xbox in a room with *all* the consumer goods Microsoft has launched in the last 20 years, it is a pretty sad picture.
And IBM was the same way. Like Microsoft, over their company history (you can look back to the 1940s and see some of their attempts), they tried to break-out and failed for a number of reasons, both technical and marketing and brand-related.
The PCjr was not intended as a business machine, nor was the PS/1 series. IBM even started an online service, and numerous software products. Earlier, IBM tried to sell consumer market typewriters, and were barely moderately successful. IBM got smart and said fuck it. I assume IBM will be back in the game when the next round of executives with no history lesson and a "this time it will be different" mentality comes on board.
But, like IBM, I still think that Microsoft can do pretty well, and possibly grow without upping their game on quality very much in the commercial markets they already have good brand equity in. And fuck the consumer markets. Other than the cash-cow of commodity desktop OS, they have been mostly unsuccessful as a consumer company. The Xbox was an anomaly. Most of Microsoft's forays, especially in the 90s were complete failures. So much so, that barely anybody seems to remember them.
Really? So because you have a PhD in software engineering and 25 years experience you judge a person impolite because they construct a run-on sentence?
I have a 13" penis and an IQ of 170. I suggest you learn to be less lame.
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Um... You didn't bother to read the last paragraph of my post.. I thought about deleting because it may have been too condescending.. But apparently it wasn't in this case.
And the ironic part of Tannenbaum's observation is that sneakernet actually *is* at times more efficient than using some low-latency telecom network. Not that anything is wrong.. that is the whole point. He wasn't lying. Try it and see. Even Internet2 can't compete with my van filled with Western Digital hard-drives. It really boils down to an observation on the bandwidth/latency trade-off.
So at this point I've completely lost the point you had. But it's too late for me to care.
You're honestly comparing cheap pieces of plastic used as a storage medium and sold at retail with a telecommunications network and infrastructure??? Really? You think everyone here is that retarded?
I mean, sure all info is measured in bits, so telecom is measured in bits and so are DVDs. But gasoline is measured in gallons, and water is measured in gallons... That's about the level your example is working at, IMNSHO.
There's a reason that the irony of "sneakernet" is funny... You seem to have missed it. Why don't you just stick to disk media if that seems to solve all your problems, and is cheaper.
They get some surprising results, but you cannot draw any conclusions from them.
How do you conclude a result is "surprising" if you can't draw any conclusions from said results?
Umm.. you do realize that CBBS and Ward Christensen should be ample clues that this was a dialup BBS issue and not an Internet issue. Things were a lot more closeknit on dialup BBSes.
You know.. what you say is true, but of course useless and we are (depending on how you count) on the 2.5th or 3rd iteration of WiFi "security". The thing with WPA2-PSK... the whole shit is actually somewhat complex, its isn't any simpler than a DH protocol. What merry band of fucktards could do this? How could the system break down so badly. I know standards bodies suck anushole... but how could such shit like this happen.
Fuck you... this is an issue of a fundamental freedom. An application as powerful and useful as a browser should have the right to alter an setting in the registry it wants!!
Well.. not really.
There is a difference.. 4chan *is* an image board and really nothing more. It's content and the type of images (and I was implicitly endorsing nostril rape as positive, mind you) are driven entirely by the users. The site carries very little aesthetic or even direction (although it has some) on its own.
Lamebook is supposedly catering to a specific purpose, but it is just using whatever piece of crap blog software they could find for it, putting up butchered, pain in the ass pngs, which is certainly not elegant. The comment system sucks worse than 4chan, believe it or not. And probably the biggest problem is that it is so heavily ad-driven it looks like shit with or without AdBlock.
I'm not trying to sound all pro *chan -- but is that really what Lamebook wants to be, yet another shitty chan? Then call it Lamechan.
BTW, Lamebook basically reminds me of failblog, but not quite as lame... but close.
Oh yeah, just to emphasize your doltishness... The ARM includes processor core IP that is integrated or implemented both with and without an MMU. That is MY ENTIRE POINT. Since the option is there, if your plan is so well thought out, why do integrators EVER use the MMU if it is merely an option and according to you seems to be unnecessary?
Yeah, that doesn't count.. Blaming OSes for micros in 1985 for not using what is basically emulation for everything is really quite silly.
Even today, there is virtually no platform that doesn't allow some native code execution to 3rd parties. Those that don't are very limited in their application (and yes, a mainframe as impressive as it may be, doesn't make a very good machine for running Crysis or playing Farmville).
Also you do realize that modern JIT implementations rely on a modern MMU to offer minimal performance costs.
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Who knows, they might still sell you an original 3.1 version... You should call em up say you need a replacement disk or something, see what they say.
Firesheep users are generally not malicious actors... just pranksters. Ironically, a real malicious actor would just use Firesheep to just grab sessions and then use SSL as described to actually use them, which would be beyond what BlackSheep could deal with. I wonder if that is already doable with the install of the EFF extension and Firesheep and no other modification.
Ummm... you do realize that the examples he was giving were precisely to point out how stupid and arrogant it would be to pick names of one's choosing to identify a nationality. Those are called rhetorical questions by the way. Are you completely retarded?
Ok... after looking over the facts I am taking Facebook's side.
Lamebook may be a parody site, it may even feature nostril rape, but that site is an absolute mess and looks like shit, and its basically a shitty blog of images. Based on technical merits alone it should be wiped off the Internet by any means possible. This kind of shitty design shouldn't be encouraged.
Facebook is doing the right thing.
No, it wasn't. I was addressing a post that nearly claimed that the US went downhill from some original panacea of equitable treatment for all over the past 200 years, and attacked the implicit notion that social and economic issues in 1780 were somehow similar today except for funny wigs.
Oh god you over-literal fuckwit.
My comment had nothing to do about slavery directly or the 3/5 compromise itself. It was a comment relevant to the thread, not intended to be a history lesson. Get over yourself, history nerd.
For starters: The word "started" was used imitating the original post, and that was meant in an informal style. Relative to the enforcement of the US constitution as the law-of-the-land, what was said about "started" was perfectly accurate. And that's right, heavens, I'm implicitly ignoring the AoC in the interests of brevity and assumed irrelevance in this case.
Your "helpful" history-lesson, Professor Nerdrage, doesn't actually contradict my point in response to this thread. My point wasn't to repeat 8th grade history, sorry.
Considering the country pretty much started out with each black human being counted as 3/5 of a person (for just one thing), I think your assumption about the "express intention" of not having two sets of rules is at best, disingenuous.
But the whole denial thing is really anti-Nazi. No one denies that Hitler hated jews... I have yet to hear a neo-Nazi claim that Mein Kampf wasn't authentic. Few would argue what was meant by "Final solution".
So denying the holocaust is just a big fucking middle finger to Hilter and all his friends... basically calling them incompetent.
It's anti-Nazi and anti-Hitler. And who will protect them??!
Luckily section 189 of the German Criminal Code, where it is illegal to disparage the memory of a deceased person... So these neo-Nazis are breaking that law as well.
A lot of people might, dumbass. Where I live, I can't get more than 1 meg up for home service (under $70/mo), so using my home connection as a general purpose VPN forwarding point would suck ass on many sites.
Also, since the issue here is about the Facebook population... the intersection of Facebook users and SSH port forward capable people is probably a very small percentage of Facebook users.
Luckily I don't have a geek card to turn in, and if I was forced to have one I would gladly turn it in, since the more self-identified geeks and hackers I meet in recent times, the more I come to the conclusion they're mostly idiots at this point. Ever since "geek" became some kind of shibboleth, it's been all down hill.
Fuck being a geek. There is no virtue in being capable in one area to the detriment at all others. It is indeed possible to dedicate one's brain to both number theory and cryptographic fundamentals, and still be able to solve simple cost-benefit problems.
No one remembers CIH??? And that was such a HUGE thing for a while. Of course, it only turned the machine into a brick. But the concept is the same. CIH wasn't even the first, but notable because it wasn't a buried in the back pages thing either. CIH was the impetus for the dual copy "BIOS protector" that I think still marketed on some motherboards to this day.
You're not that smart, or ahead of your time at least, cause CIH was the talk of the town over 10 years ago. EFI sucks balls for sure, but it really isn't what makes this shit possible.
Finally, I think this story is being a little inaccurate for my tastes and kind of conflates hardware with software (and I will admit the line can be very hazy).. but there is a practical and economic difference between a ROM with a backdoor that relies on the "trust" of the host to execute its code, and a backdoored piece of hardware that handles data (say a CPU or a disk controller) that spies passively or actively affects data that it is entrusted with.
The key difference in what is "trusting" what, and what mechanisms are failing. To a systems designer there is a difference. Moreover, even if you say to this, well I'll just audit my ROMs for backdoors (prevent untrusted ROMs), you are still screwed, because how the fuck can you trust the CPU in the box. How do you know the CPU (or GPU as people have mentioned), don't execute what they want despite what you tell them? The ROM problem is really just the software trust problem moved into a chip... the latter is different, and something that has been talked about for years. Read the old Gutmann papers from 20 years ago on secure deletion. Not new.
If they don't do something retarded, like make the torrent a single zip file (and even that is not the end of the world), since it is a torrent, you could selectively download portions. It all depends on how they catalog the files in the torrent. HTML file level granularity would definitely not be feasible (or smart), but there are other methods that would be a good compromise.
So no, if the people are not complete retards, then you wouldn't have to download the whole thing.
Considering that these people are putting effort into preserving geocities, I don't know about the retard bit though. We'll see.
I wonder what Jason Scott would think about this. Personally, textfiles is one of my favorite places. But this doesn't feel the same.
I think a well written easy to use parsing add-on that simply sniffed facebook data and displayed it would have made a pretty big stink. Firesheep just knocks it out of the park.
Your MITM safe cookies would not solve the eavesdropping.
But of course, none of this is new stuff to even a retarded networking person, its just the presentation and packaging of firesheep that makes it so surprising to some.
Exactly. Microsoft is not IBM, I never meant to insinuate that. The point was that IBM is a successful company without having much of a consumer brand.
Also, I claim Microsoft was never much of a consumer brand, from a marketing standpoint. Microsoft Windows has share because it comes by default on commodity machines. That is a bit of a special case. The Xbox is a better example, but when you place Xbox in a room with *all* the consumer goods Microsoft has launched in the last 20 years, it is a pretty sad picture.
And IBM was the same way. Like Microsoft, over their company history (you can look back to the 1940s and see some of their attempts), they tried to break-out and failed for a number of reasons, both technical and marketing and brand-related.
The PCjr was not intended as a business machine, nor was the PS/1 series. IBM even started an online service, and numerous software products. Earlier, IBM tried to sell consumer market typewriters, and were barely moderately successful. IBM got smart and said fuck it. I assume IBM will be back in the game when the next round of executives with no history lesson and a "this time it will be different" mentality comes on board.
But, like IBM, I still think that Microsoft can do pretty well, and possibly grow without upping their game on quality very much in the commercial markets they already have good brand equity in. And fuck the consumer markets. Other than the cash-cow of commodity desktop OS, they have been mostly unsuccessful as a consumer company. The Xbox was an anomaly. Most of Microsoft's forays, especially in the 90s were complete failures. So much so, that barely anybody seems to remember them.
If their consumer brand continues to erode like this, they might end up with the likes of IBM, which as we all know is not a very successful company.
Really? So because you have a PhD in software engineering and 25 years experience you judge a person impolite because they construct a run-on sentence?
I have a 13" penis and an IQ of 170. I suggest you learn to be less lame.