Would you please examine your startup log for q3test and tell me if it really says "smp enabled". Mine says "2 processors detected...smp disabled". I do not believe anyone has this working on linux.
I did some research on this looking into pc/tv integration. Basically, do not expect any tv or hdtv to substitute for a computer monitor. The high-res tv's ($2.5K+) some companies sell with PC's can do 800x600 interlaced, but text and motion are really inferior. The only possible hdtv that might work is the pioneer pd502 50" plasmon tv which has vga (xga-resolution) inputs. You could buy 3 Mass systems for that - $20K!
I just bought the last toshiba tw40x81 at a local store. The screen is 19.5x35". A truly wonderful hdtv-ready TV that is obviously very hot. $2.5K. The 'net sources are not in stock. It does 1080i or 480p - clearly not as nice as 720p, but those sets ($6K+) are way over-priced. Line doubling and frame doubling of any sources less than 480p into 480p, higher res sources it upconverts to 1080i. Lots of control over how or if the 4:3 source is stretched or zoomed. I should also point out that the stretching it can do for 4:3 sources is very easy on the eyes, as the visual system compensates as if you were looking at the screen at an angle.
Why isn't smp in q3test enabled on linux? We heard it was running quite some time ago (with r_smp 1) but it says "disabled" when I try it on a genuine SMP system.
athlon (yes, smp ready) and the EV6 mb will make a killer SMP box with nearly optimal scaling (If SMP performance of Alpha's are any indication.) Rumor is that Tyan is working on a dual Athlon MB for release in the next 2 months. These people, http://www.hotrail.com/main.htm, are working on 8-way boards.
In a multitasking system, you really don't need to worry about VMWare running on just one of the processors. It is now possible tho' with a processor-affinity patch to 2.3.x. For processor-bound programs (typical under windows if the program has _any_ performance optimizations) though you will be running pretty much like the single-cpu windows.
MHz has never been a true measure of system performance. Yes, sure, an 1100 MHz single processor celeron would be faster than this dual celeron, but that's a comparison of apples to oranges.
On linux, I compared display speeds side by side with Netscape 4.61, and Mozilla release 10 was much faster. The design is much nicer too. Can't say Opera did much for me.
Bunch of whiners. Before spouting off why don't you try it? I have a dual 333 overclocked to 750 Mhz (yes, that's 375 + 375). It does the standard POVBench in 1'30". When I split the work into 2 equal loads (~1/2 half of the picture), run them simultaneously, and splice the picture into a whole, it takes exactly 45". That's right math geniuses, exactly twice as fast! Obviously there is no resource contention. Linux SMP makes for a profoundly faster system - more responsive and multitasking than single cpu. I highly recommend it to all linux users, especially when it can be done so cheaply.
1) Windows has no printing design. Unless it's ascii, every program has to have its own filter for output to the printer driver. 2) Ghostscript acts like a super-filter; postscript in and hundreds of supported printers out. 3) You have to replace lpr with LPRng to pass arguments thru to ghostscript. Causes problems on RH which I haven't fixed yet. LPRng is the modern printing system you may be missing.
I am really tired of seeing these comments by people who DO NOT KNOW WHAT OPEN SOURCE means. "Oh gee, I can read the source" does NOT mean open: http://www.opensource.org/osd.html
Hellooooo!!! Anyone with more than 1 room and access to The Outside World, would want one of these to escape being chained to his immobile computer. I have been scouring the web for just such a product for almost a year now. The closest I came to it was the J-Slate which is very expensive and proprietary. The convenience and price would make all the difference in getting one of these vs. a notebook computer. Short of a voice-activated control panel in every room (a la Star Trek), this would finally bring the computer into daily utility.
I know just what you mean. The OS wars are like the majority begging to be corraled like sheep while their choices are made for them vs the minority who would rather not have secret backdoors and hidden ID's in their PC. While we'll always have to live in Meatspace, we have our choice of cyberspaces.
Maybe way back when I was a pup I thought "fairness in voting" was a noble ideal. Then I grew up. I first realized the Majority is ALWAYS wrong. Then for a while I thought "well, if They knew any better than they would vote better". Then I realized that the principle of voting was only a sham to legitimize the current power structure, which is, shock and surprise, the ruling class - the current monopoly of aggresion in a given geographical area. Finally you realize that voting is handing over authority (choice, decision, responsibility) to someone else. The answer is "NO, I'll decide for myself." Most of the pioneers of the internet appreciate this in their escape to cyberspace. Soon enough, government will be irrelevent, superfluous, and archaic. By the way, early polls of political affiliation on the web showed they were mostly libertarian.
idiot. like that doesn't happen now?! No it's better when something like the 20% of MF'rs in charge decide you don't have a right to do X. Witness the drug war.
Didn't you go to the site and read it?! It's not SMP. They've just got cpu's on pci cards - max 133 MB/s. IMHO, linux would not support it. They could port their library and get software to use the extra cpus I suppose (see their rc5 benchmark) The altivec technology in G4's makes that rather second rate tho.
You are already obsolete. The Athlon 650 is twice as fast and the G4 500 is 3x as fast.
If I recall, the Intel chip to wait for will be the next generation p3-coppermine for the camino chipset, and will use an entirely different socket design.
For "convenience", sure, go ahead and rip your digital CD's, but don't forget they were made at 44kHz x 16bit x 2 channel = 1440 kbps. CD's are a bad enough approximation of analog already. The highest mp3 encoding I've seen is 320 bps, but until I get a digital output to an external DAC, the signal will still suffer from the EM nightmare inside a PC. Hold on to your CD's.
I too wanted to achieve PC/TV integration, and after researching it, decided it was too soon. It's just not economical to achieve digital TV quality from a PC right now. Video capture cards with lossless decompression require higher bus rates than are available. Short of a $17K Pioneer Plasmon Display, no sets, even HDTV sets, support high res digital input. DVD formats don't even support HDTV! I wouldn't even think of using dvd anyway until it's opened for linux. This is what you would have to buy: 1) Next generation Athlon (K8 w/ 200 MHz fsb) $1K 2) Dual U/160m Quantum Atlas 10K drives $2K 3) HDTV card (coming Q4) $600 4) High End Video Capture $500+ 5) Pro-Music Card $500+ 6) Madrigal Proceeds digital pre-amp/amps $10K 7) Pioneer PDP-501MC $17K 8) HiFi Speakers $5K+ Especially irritating knowing that it's $36K in the near term but half as much in 2 years. The alternative consumer level products (Sony DVD, TIVO, SDTV) work but will not integrate with the PC until they become internet appliances and run jini. Alas, digital dreams...
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Would you please examine your startup log for q3test and tell me if it really says "smp enabled". Mine says "2 processors detected...smp disabled". I do not believe anyone has this working on linux.
Well, very good anyway. I always wondered what Gilder's schtick was when he was being so obviously wrong.
I did some research on this looking into pc/tv integration. Basically, do not expect any tv or hdtv to substitute for a computer monitor. The high-res tv's ($2.5K+) some companies sell with PC's can do 800x600 interlaced, but text and motion are really inferior. The only possible hdtv that might work is the pioneer pd502 50" plasmon tv which has vga (xga-resolution) inputs. You could buy 3 Mass systems for that - $20K!
I just bought the last toshiba tw40x81 at a local store. The screen is 19.5x35". A truly wonderful hdtv-ready TV that is obviously very hot. $2.5K. The 'net sources are not in stock. It does 1080i or 480p - clearly not as nice as 720p, but those sets ($6K+) are way over-priced. Line doubling and frame doubling of any sources less than 480p into 480p, higher res sources it upconverts to 1080i. Lots of control over how or if the 4:3 source is stretched or zoomed.
I should also point out that the stretching it can do for 4:3 sources is very easy on the eyes, as the visual system compensates as if you were looking at the screen at an angle.
Why isn't smp in q3test enabled on linux? We heard it was running quite some time ago (with r_smp 1) but it says "disabled" when I try it on a genuine SMP system.
some simpler sites I went to frames worked, others not. I didn't mean it's not buggy, just useable.
athlon (yes, smp ready) and the EV6 mb will make a killer SMP box with nearly optimal scaling (If SMP performance of Alpha's are any indication.) Rumor is that Tyan is working on a dual Athlon MB for release in the next 2 months. These people, http://www.hotrail.com/main.htm, are working on 8-way boards.
In a multitasking system, you really don't need to worry about VMWare running on just one of the processors. It is now possible tho' with a processor-affinity patch to 2.3.x. For processor-bound programs (typical under windows if the program has _any_ performance optimizations) though you will be running pretty much like the single-cpu windows.
You must have a problem. If you have 2 celerons, the bogomips should be about 1008. Are you running SMP? Does dmesg say recognizes both processors?
Finally, some common sense! Thank you.
MHz has never been a true measure of system performance. Yes, sure, an 1100 MHz single processor celeron would be faster than this dual celeron, but that's a comparison of apples to oranges.
On linux, I compared display speeds side by side with Netscape 4.61, and Mozilla release 10 was much faster. The design is much nicer too. Can't say Opera did much for me.
Bunch of whiners. Before spouting off why don't you try it? I have a dual 333 overclocked to 750 Mhz (yes, that's 375 + 375). It does the standard POVBench in 1'30". When I split the work into 2 equal loads (~1/2 half of the picture), run them simultaneously, and splice the picture into a whole, it takes exactly 45". That's right math geniuses, exactly twice as fast! Obviously there is no resource contention.
Linux SMP makes for a profoundly faster system - more responsive and multitasking than single cpu. I highly recommend it to all linux users, especially when it can be done so cheaply.
1) Windows has no printing design. Unless it's ascii, every program has to have its own filter for output to the printer driver. 2) Ghostscript acts like a super-filter; postscript in and hundreds of supported printers out. 3) You have to replace lpr with LPRng to pass arguments thru to ghostscript. Causes problems on RH which I haven't fixed yet. LPRng is the modern printing system you may be missing.
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I am really tired of seeing these comments by people who DO NOT KNOW WHAT OPEN SOURCE means.
"Oh gee, I can read the source" does NOT mean open: http://www.opensource.org/osd.html
Hellooooo!!! Anyone with more than 1 room and access to The Outside World, would want one of these to escape being chained to his immobile computer. I have been scouring the web for just such a product for almost a year now. The closest I came to it was the J-Slate which is very expensive and proprietary. The convenience and price would make all the difference in getting one of these vs. a notebook computer. Short of a voice-activated control panel in every room (a la Star Trek), this would finally bring the computer into daily utility.
you must have really tiny fingers.
Well then, HOW MUCH & WHEN CAN I GET ONE?!
I know just what you mean. The OS wars are like the majority begging to be corraled like sheep while their choices are made for them vs the minority who would rather not have secret backdoors and hidden ID's in their PC. While we'll always have to live in Meatspace, we have our choice of cyberspaces.
Maybe way back when I was a pup I thought "fairness in voting" was a noble ideal. Then I grew up. I first realized the Majority is ALWAYS wrong. Then for a while I thought "well, if They knew any better than they would vote better". Then I realized that the principle of voting was only a sham to legitimize the current power structure, which is, shock and surprise, the ruling class - the current monopoly of aggresion in a given geographical area. Finally you realize that voting is handing over authority (choice, decision, responsibility) to someone else. The answer is "NO, I'll decide for myself." Most of the pioneers of the internet appreciate this in their escape to cyberspace. Soon enough, government will be irrelevent, superfluous, and archaic. By the way, early polls of political affiliation on the web showed they were mostly libertarian.
idiot. like that doesn't happen now?! No it's better when something like the 20% of MF'rs in charge decide you don't have a right to do X. Witness the drug war.
Didn't you go to the site and read it?! It's not SMP. They've just got cpu's on pci cards - max 133 MB/s. IMHO, linux would not support it. They could port their library and get software to use the extra cpus I suppose (see their rc5 benchmark) The altivec technology in G4's makes that rather second rate tho.
You are already obsolete. The Athlon 650 is twice as fast and the G4 500 is 3x as fast.
If I recall, the Intel chip to wait for will be the next generation p3-coppermine for the camino chipset, and will use an entirely different socket design.
For "convenience", sure, go ahead and rip your digital CD's, but don't forget they were made at 44kHz x 16bit x 2 channel = 1440 kbps. CD's are a bad enough approximation of analog already. The highest mp3 encoding I've seen is 320 bps, but until I get a digital output to an external DAC, the signal will still suffer from the EM nightmare inside a PC. Hold on to your CD's.
I too wanted to achieve PC/TV integration, and after researching it, decided it was too soon. It's just not economical to achieve digital TV quality from a PC right now. Video capture cards with lossless decompression require higher bus rates than are available. Short of a $17K Pioneer Plasmon Display, no sets, even HDTV sets, support high res digital input. DVD formats don't even support HDTV! I wouldn't even think of using dvd anyway until it's opened for linux. This is what you would have to buy:
1) Next generation Athlon (K8 w/ 200 MHz fsb) $1K
2) Dual U/160m Quantum Atlas 10K drives $2K
3) HDTV card (coming Q4) $600
4) High End Video Capture $500+
5) Pro-Music Card $500+
6) Madrigal Proceeds digital pre-amp/amps $10K
7) Pioneer PDP-501MC $17K
8) HiFi Speakers $5K+
Especially irritating knowing that it's $36K in the near term but half as much in 2 years. The alternative consumer level products (Sony DVD, TIVO, SDTV) work but will not integrate with the PC until they become internet appliances and run jini. Alas, digital dreams...