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No Next Q3Test
Jacek Fedorynski writes "The Quake god recently interviewed on Slashdot, John Carmack, updated his .plan with word that there will be no next version of Q3Test - the next release will be a full demo with bot support and one more map (for beginners). The date of the release hasn't been set yet. Carmack also comments on the new Macintoshes. "
There are other relavent games, like Unreal Tournament, which will be for LINUX as well, and are arguably better. So why all the id and Quake3 pimping on slashdot?
Of course there is a Q3 Test and there has been for quite a while. What is being discussed is a new test version.
Actually, Quake II was an "upgraded" Q1 engine whereas Q3 is 100% new code.
Well, that's where you and I must agree to disagree. I realize that Q3 won't have much of a storyline (if any) or single-player aspect, but a game requiring little more than cockroach-level twitch reflexes is a pretty poor one, indeed. And it's been done before. I'm wanting more, and I suspect I'm not alone here.
Did you actually play it? Q3test2 is not small, not indoors, and I bet I can rail you from the other side of it.
I "played" it in the sense that I ran around the level a few times. The only Q3Test level I played wasn't much more than a few platforms floating in a black void -- not exactly what I would call an "outdoor" level. When I mean outdoor I mean something like Tribes...where the map is the equivalent of 4 square kilometers in size!
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I ran it on a comparable machine with a RIVA TNT2 video card, using generic OpenGL graphics and it was possibly the smoothest, nicest piece of wonderful ever-lovin' sweetness I've ever laid my eyes on. Of course, I guess it's true when they say YMMV :)
I picked this up searching for TNT/Quake info on linuxquake.com.
" Version 1.4.1 (pre-release) of SVGALib has been released. Why should you care? This version adds some important support for nVida and SIS drivers. I recommend this to TnT(2) users when it is released in final form. "
I assume it means a person can run Quake2 in console mode like with a Voodoo2. Has anyone tried it?
"The simplest answer as to what to sell is new, and better bots." The simplest and incorrect answer. This demo will be like most (all?) of the other id demos. It will only play the 3-4 maps included with it. In order to play all the rest, and user created ones you've got to buy the retail version.
I had a lot of problems with my V3 overheating at first, but then I fastened a classic pentium fan to it's heat sink with 2 paper clips and it hasn't crashed me in 4 months...
it still won't let me alt-tab out of QW though. sigh...
There won't be a quake 4! Look at the trend from id : Commander Keen (0 versions. It sucked too much to be given a version number) Wolfenstein 3d (1 version.) Doom (Two versions. Final doom was just a mod ot Doom 2) Quake (Three versions.) Next-whiz-bang-product. (Four) etc., etc., etc., Go ahead... smoke a big fat bag of crack and do the math. The conclusions are so obvious!!! ;)
". The Q3 graphics engine is pretty, but when it comes down to it, its just a plain shooter with nothing new." Q3 isn't supposed to be a totally different game. It's a natural evolution of previous quake (and doom) games. There may be no new weapons in q3, but thats because people would rather have balanced weapons that require skill to use than a bunch of completely weak weapons and really strong weapons (ala, unreal, unreal tournament). And how can you fault ID for making q3 'nothing new'. Uh, they practically invented the genre. By that logic UT would be even less original. mutators? oh, mods. quake 1 had those. Did unreal invent the capture the flag mod? hell no, that was in q1 too. -nick o
The post above mine is currently marked Score 1: Offtopic. However, it is not offtopic, as the .plan file talks directly about the iBook and its video.
Thats the problem with Linux Newbies posting on slashdot. The TNT drivers are just an ALPHA to show that nvidia does have some linux hackers. It was a patch, and they kindly included binaries too. It is for the advanced user only! If this were a large scale release of a final, full working product, they would have included RPMs, and DEBs in addition to the tar.gzs. Do you complain that Mozilla M10 was too hard to install, so clearly Linux can never make it as a platform for serious web browsing?
>it also represents the most advanced realtime rendering techology around so far.
I'll assume you just forgot to specify "for mass market consumer crap," and let you live--this time.
i have a pIII 450, tnt2ultra.
now i usually run at 1024x768, 32bit, lightmaps, 2nd highest texture detail. and i can get about 40-70 fps. pretty nice.
one day i decided to see how many fps i can get, so i put the settings on fastest and tried to play. For some reason it took about 10 minutes just to load the level, and when i got in the game i got about 1 frame every 10 seconds.
bad...
after some experimenting i found out this only occurs when i set the color depth to 16 bit. and it happens it both versions i've played. (1.05, 1.08)
-nick o
No actually its the bastardization of the bastardization of quake. Come on mutiplayer only? Wow now i'll get bored even faster. the doom to doom2 was a better improvement then quake to quake2 and now q3 does nothing but improve grphics and add betternet code. What about other games. UT deserves more credit, good fun weapons other than the pistol, nice graphics and the all important trash talk. Just love it when you krush someone and reply shouting "my house" it just add to the fun of it. Watch out for the unreal engine based Wheel of Time game being developed and soon to be gold. (http://www.wheeloftime.com) the webmaster/programmer even took the time to interact with the community via his weekly updates in the development of the game. Never have i seen any company/game makers give out so much information on what was going on with the creation of the game. Taking in the story from an 8 book ongoing series this single player game should be incredible. Multiplayer, from what Ive heard will be incredible, where doging/killing will take planing and use of differnt weapons and shield "spells." and that only DM mode. citidel mode. you make your base, you place traps, troops and the "flag" location. All I can say as a WoTter is this game shall destroy the fps game as we know it.
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while, out of the box, quake3 may be multiplayer only. even if you dont have a net connection you can verse bots.
and soon after the release im sure there will be plenty of single player mods for quake3, with great story lines and awsome graphics, made by 3rd party developers or people like you and me.
mods are what have given the doom and quake games their longevity. nobody denies that.
ID did it first and ID does it best!
-nick
That's crazyness. I've got a P-166MMX with 128MB (PC100) and a PCI TNT. It cruises. I set it on the default graphics quality (high-quality sound) and get a very high frame rate, much higher than Q2. Oh, and the hard drive is a Quantum 10.2GB, DMA 66. MK
So hard to tell, you know..
"cockroach-level twitch reflexes"? hahahah...there is an art to this game...i've been playing for a little over a year now (quake,quakeII) and i still get my ass kicked but would never post a comment such as yours simply because i suck
Than the best stuff that's not "for mass market consumer crap?" None.
i cant wait. i was lovin 1.05,but when i upgraded to 1.09 i started getting all these weird visual errors. like in q3tourney -lights would glow REALLY bright in some spots on the map. and randomly getting kick off the lan game about every 5 minutes or so. (damn thats frustrating when your in first place.) this particular bug was getting so obnoxious i've pretty much stopped playing til the next release. did that happen to anyone else? anyway, its important that ID get this game on store shelves before unreal(sucks). but no matter when it comes out, as soon as ultima IX gets released i'll be putting away ALL my other games for the next few months.. heh. -nick 0 mistertang@hotmail.com
Nonono, you got it all wrong... REDO DOOM!!! ;-) Beat that dark gothic look? -- easy! The techno-demon look beats it any day... Give me a rocket launcher or give me a chainsaw and I'll take.... THE CHAINSAW!!!! [idchoppers -- go find some meat]
go to www.nvidia.com and get the drivers for it or upgrade to xfree 3.3.5 , i've had mine working with opengl for a few months now
the chair-keyboard interface. You described to a T my box when Q3A-T came out. Worked great. RAM is now up to 196 and I bought a VooDoo3 (I shoulda been patient and waited for the TNT2 instead of this overheat-asaurus) and runs even better.
-paul
Um.. there was actually six or was it even seven Commander Keens. Doesn't fit to pattern, eh?
And to the previous poster, I'd like to disagree, I can't believe someone is crazy enough to call _quake_ and the clones top qualify games..
pretty ironic, the reason why i forgot is because i havent played it in so long! and my first post lost its formatting. =( -nick o
no, but i got 300fps at 1024x768 32-bit colour on my beowulf cluster. yummy!
Someone should redo quake 1 with the q3a engine. Q1 is still my absolute favorite game. You just can't beat the dark midevil gothic look. Not to mention the realistic sound effects (thanks trent!) The sound effects in q2 were a real disappointment, everything sounded tinny and hollow. Fire a rocket and *ker chink*. What kind of sound is that? People knew when you were firing a rocket in q1. Speaking of rockets, why don't they do any splash damage in q3a? That was their main advantage, make the rocket explode off the floor or wall near someone. Now its just another bullet like gun.
Actually slashdot is whatever rob malda thinks is cool. :)
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At least, that's what he said in the interview.
Since when is
The first one that came out hurt to play in Linux or Windows, but 1.08 is much smoother even if it isn't as pretty as with a TNT. It's still not liquid smooth like Q2 though.. if it doesn't make another improvement like it did between the first test versions, looks like I'll be getting a new celeron, mobo, and TNT2U.
Try reading... they said there's not going to be a NEW Q3Test. v1.08 is available, but the much-heralded v1.09 will NOT be released - Carmack has decided to go straight on into a finalized demo release.
Sam: "That was needlessly cryptic."
Max: "I'd be peeing my pants if I wore any!"
if its a full demo givin away, what does he plan to sell? how to make money when everyone has it?
The usual pattern is that the the demo/shareware version only has a few maps. Add-ons (extra maps and such) won't work with it. You need the full version to play the custom maps etc. I suppose they'll continue in this vein since it seems to net them a dollar or two. :-)
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Out of all of them, I find q3test2 to be the best 1 on 1 (much better than q3boringme^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^tourney).
Why am I replying to a thread that's off of the main page? It's not like anyone will read my comment (as insightful as it is....)
Strange, I find Q3Test to be fairly playable on my box, and I'm in worse shape than you...
I'm only on a K6-2 300 with 64MB of RAM and a Monster 3D II 8MB card. But I don't sit there and watch my frame rate, and I actually found software Quake playable on a Cyrix 233. I guess I'm weird.
I don't. I hate Quake. It's ugly as hell. It's relatively boring. It's never impressed me all that much. I like first person games, but I was a much bigger fan of Marathon and Marathon2. They scared the shit out of me. Quake, like Doom, is just a bunch of brown shapes on a brown background. If that's what floats your boat, good for you. But please don't think everyone cares. Geeks, imho, play corewar. ;)
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Odd, it works really nice on my P2-350, 128mb, EIDE Quatrum Bigfoot [uhhg], ATI Rage Pro [uhhg].. 20 fps at 640x480 and 120 pings over 56k.. Its not spectacular.. but for an ATI rape?
Stan "Myconid" Brinkerhoff
SB.
Did you actually play it? Q3test2 is not small, not indoors, and I bet I can rail you from the other side of it. :> Sure, yeah, yeah, it's a big map space-wise. But in terms of play, that map is TINY. And not much going on. What, like 7-8 smallish platforms for a bunch of blue & red Fisher-Price robot guys to cram onto and randomly gib? Q3A does not impress me so far. I still play Q2 more, and Unreal Tournament more than that.
That would take some serious arguing...
Gawd! Not by me! Just looking at the progress between Q2 and Q3, and between Unreal and UT.
I've heard there are a lot of subtle, nice advances in the Quake line. But Q3A feels like Fischer-Price to me, and Q2 feels better. Maybe it's just that I'm not used to it.
But in the Unreal line, you have a completely new GUI library set for mod making, new improvements to the built-in Object Oriented scripting language (!!!! C DLL's from nasty, gnarled, uncommented code? What?) which include Mutators that give you mix-and-match game components (!! I can play CTF and have the Disco Gravity gun too?!)... just seems so much stuff that is an ADVANCE over the predecessor that Q3A lacks, and doesn't seem like it'll get in time for a Real Soon Now release.
Unreal is the Emacs of 3D games, just unfortunately without the Free Software goodness.
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/.'ed the finger script at bluesnews.com. How about mirroring it next time, i.e. finger johnc@idsoftware.com > localcopy.txt, then link the local copy?
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Besides the curved surfaces, what really is going to make Quake III any different than Quake II?
Besides a 3rd dimension, what made Wolfenstein better that Command Keen? Besides 2 more degrees of freedom, what made Quake better than Doom?
Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
Agreed regarding clear decisions, but also Apple would be hurting if people bought $1300 iMacs instead of $2300 G3s.
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Can't wait to play this, just wondering tho, if its a full demo givin away, what does he plan to sell? how to make money when everyone has it? new mpas? would think there would be free maps available all over the place.
Thank you! :) I really enjoyed this reply, and while i do plan on buying the full version, i was just curious about it and you have explained quite well.
Thanks again
That's the problem with Linux. It is very hard to create something that will have reasonable chance of running out of the box on most Linux systems out there. If this issues is not resolved, Linux will not gain popularity as the platform for serious gamers ( whatever that term means .. )
Unplayable? How? Please tell me that it wasn't due to lack of speed. It runs like the wind on a 300 MHz G3 with Rage128. According to the Apple ads (*evil grin*) the Pentium is slower, but surely it's not that much slower..... (*eviller-grin*) I mean, Apple was just exaggerating, right? (*evil-shit-eating-grin*) I mean, everyone knows that marketroids all lie. (*More-evil-than-Satan-himself-grin*)
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Would you please examine your startup log for q3test and tell me if it really says "smp enabled". Mine says "2 processors detected...smp disabled". I do not believe anyone has this working on linux.
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Wow! Do you work for Family PC by any chance? ;)
Gamers were looking forward to the improvements in test version 1.09. Now we have to wait another 2 months. Arrrrrrrrgh.
/me sticks to JohnC and machineguns him to death.
I *do* have textures all the way up. I actually can't change the settings or the thing will segfault on me.
Frightning, eh?
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It's not a secret; there's a company that's been selling V2 upgrades (via the Mezzanine slot) for the original iMacs for a while. They went out of business and the line was recently picked up by another company.
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Remember Amalek.
Just a quick note: The 3DFX drivers are a quick 3D only hack (not that this is a bad thing, they're the best way to play q3 on linux right now).
The Nvidia drivers are a traditional GLX driver, in which all textures and drawing commands must get funneled through a unix socket. This means that all drawing happens in the context of the X server, which is great if you have a SMP box, but sucks otherwise.
Theoretically, nvidia could have made a full-screen only hack like 3DFX, but evidently they have choosen to wait for XF4 and PI's DRI to do 3D fullscreen and in a window at full speed. And I can't say I really blame them. Of course, I'm not a game junkie, and the current nvidia driver is pretty damn fast on my SMP machine. Primarily because my code does no texturing.
Will leaving the default 3.3.5 SVGA driver work? I just upgraded to a RH 6.1 system, and pushed the Nvidia driver over the top again, but that little glitch with emacs is bugging me. I can't find an updated rpm, and don't really don't feel like recompiling if I don't have to...any suggestions?
Rumor once had it that Apple was looking at alternatives to ATI. Or at least, looking for additional cards to offer in it build to order configurations. Mmmm... Nvida and a G4
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Quake 4 and Quake 5 was metaphorical... Meaning I want to see more kick-ass games.
All top-quality software is worth buying, and this includes Quake. Support the folks at ID, because I want to see Quake 4, and Quake 5. If no one buys the software, who will finance the development?
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Unplayable on a 300? What do you mean "unplayable???". I was playing it on a 64MB P166 (non-MMX) with a Voodoo 1. It was slow, sure, but I did a lot of playing against my roomate with it. He's not as good, so he got my 450 Mhz-256MB-Nvidia TNT machine. But I still beat him. Heh.
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The real money is in licencing the Quake graphics engine. Can you say Half Life, Sin. Most deals include a percentage of sales as well as an upfront cost.
A good graphics engine can be used to produce eveything from 3rd person adventures, i.e. Hexen II to real time strategy such as Golgotha.
So rather then reinvent the wheel, alot of development groups will jumpstart by purchasing an engine and its library.
That's not to say that you can't develop a stinker anyway. Nothing will replace a good story and solid play balance.
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You are incorrect, the reload time for the railgun is exactly the same as in quake2.
And if you dont like the way it looks you can change it:
Those are new defaults. Personally, i like to get rid of the segments all together. Set it to 1000 and check it out. Also try making the beam really thin.
For the latest news and 3 cool servers: http://www.netdoor.com/quake3/index.html
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Unreal is nice, but I can't see how it compares to Q3 in the eye candy department...
Q3 has vastly more detailed levels and the textures are stunning.
UT's levels are muted and awkward.
UT is imho the second best FPS out there, after Q3, but Q3 is *so* far ahead in term of looks.
The NVidia TNT drivers for Linux are slow, buggy, unstable and incomplete. NON 3DFx users will probably have to wait for XFree86 4.0. I have tried to get Q2 to work with my TNT on linux. Aside from being a pain to get working, it is also at least trwo times slower than in windows... if you have TNT play in windows for now ..
under Linux. Yeah, I know, it works UNOFFICALLY, but not for me. I've tried everything that anyone has suggested (including Zoid (thanks!)) but I still get a dead X server!
It's a great game, but I ain't gonna reboot into windows for it any more!
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I have a p2-300 w/ 64 megs of ram and sli voodoo2's. It is 30+fps at 800x600. Normally it is in the 40+ range. Plenty playable. btw, the default under linux for my system was superfast, 640x480, graphics settings were not conservative or anything.
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Just this past friday I got a VooDoo3 2000 PCI for my computer, and downloaded q3test 1.08 the following day. I downloaded the most recent drivers for my card right after. If you haven't downloaded the most recent drivers for your 3d card, I suggest you do so ASAP. Check your manufactorer's website for the latest drivers for your card.
Btw, q3test flys on my Celery 333, 32mb ram, VooDoo3 PCI.
As a further note, when you play online, are you using a 14.4? That would make it damn near impossible to play online too.
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I do not know if many of you know this, but 3DFX has put out drivers (Beta, but still *very* good) for the Voodoo3 2000 PCI cards. I got one, flashed the rom, and I must say that it really kills ATI in all games, esp. Quake2 -- 52 fps compared to 25fps for the ATI Rage 128 at 1024x768
Apple has made a big mistake supporting ATI, and would be better off switching to 3DFX (think Voodoo4 AGP in every new G4) The price / performance ratio is amazing, even for these beta drivers.
For more info on Voodoo3 performance check XLR8 Your Mac
Anyone who buys ATI by choice needs their head read. ATI's priorities are totally different from ours... low price, poor quality hardware, awful drivers, and no linux support all seem high on their list.
An Athlong with a TNT2 Ultra on it performs as well as the high end graphical workstations of TODAY.
Er, no. A PIII/GeForce is just about equal to SGI's lower end Onyx2 (comparison recently published), which puts it well below, eg, SGI's other workstations, and many, many HP's, Alpha's and Sun's. You may not realise this, but real time 3D includes engineering, where their is a *big* demand for powerful engines and hardware.
NAME SOME SOFTWARE
Unreal, for one, though that's mostly personal preference.
If engines not-yet-finished but demo'ed count (since Q3 isn't finished, I don't see why they shouldn't) then you have Halo and Oni from Bungie, the former especially. Evolution seems quite nice, as does whatever's driving a few of those PS2 demos (I suppose that doesn't count). I know there are at least two more, but the games didn't look interesting so I've forgotten.
I said that people who read slashdot that don't play quake are in the minority. I didn't say that he was the only one. Please read comments more carefully in the future.
Most people who dislike q3test suck at it. :)
Nuff said.
-Warren
You want playable? Haha, you've come to the right person. :)
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First, turn the sound quality to low, turn off dynamic lighting.. basically go into game options and turn off everything except for 'identify target.' OK, here's what you want to do:
set cg_gibs to 0 (HUGE performance gain)
set r_drawsun to 0
set cg_simpleitems to 1--it draws ammo boxes as 2d icons--it increases speed and you get used to it. like, you can see the megahealth behind the teleporter in q3test1.
set r_subdivisions to 999
set r_picmip to 3
set cg_drawgun to 0
set cg_draw3dicons to 0
set cg_railtrailtime and cg_brasstime to 0
There's probably more I'm missing, but I hope that's a start. I'd upgrade to p2-450.. then you'll be pimping.
-Warren
Man, my birthday just gets better and better. No new Q3Test, after all that Shugashack bragged about 1.09 being so much nicer, and after drooling over the screen shots. This totally blows goats. I might have to give Unreal Tournament a shot...I can't stand the way the rocket launcher's splash radius and speed is now, and the railgun is practically worthless. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
The reason I follow the quake series is because of its simplicity.
I play quake from a competitive and fun standpoint, the simplicity allows me to jump into the game and play... the years of playing other FPSs affords me the oppurtunity to beat other people, and further hone my skills.
Games like unreal with its funny weapons and great graphics, (which I enjoy in a different way), are not suited to competition type games....
To put it another way... I play q3a and UT with ALL the graphics options OFF... and at 640x480... granted I have a dual 550mhz and so its not a necessity but a choice that I make to help me win. I don't care what the game looks like... I just want good gameplay and lots of frames/sec =]
Half-life for all its single player glory... doesn't hold a candle to the modability (HUGE HUGE point when it comes to arguing the quake series' success) and multiplayer gameplay of the quake's
q3a looks to improve upon quakeworld's superior gameplay... and q2 marginally better graphics (cause q2 sure din't have worthy gameplay to speak of, imho)
Awaiting q3a's release so he can buy the linux version,
Ecc
Someone want to post the real link, or a new link because when I click the link in the article, it gives me a 403 Forbidden error.
It's been said before, but.........
Loki: Tribes for Linux.
Quake's great, but so is Tribes.
Hold on! I think I played two Commander Keens....
One was called "Aliens ate (or was it "caught") my baby sitter"... I think it was Commander Keen II ?
Whatever.... I liked it... I think I read something about Commander Keen for the gameboy color?
Truth be said I'd rather have wolfenstein on the Gameboy Color, but I guess Nintendo caters to small kids here....)
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There is too a Q3 test. I downloaded it just the other day. It is much more entertaining than Q2 was.
You can pick up your copy right here. I wonder how A.J. got his hands on it!
You've got remember that one of Apple's BIGGEST core markets is pre/post production work (esp. printing). what do they care about? POSTSCRIPT. The ATI RAGE 128/16MB cards have really good postscript acceleration built in.
It's true that Apple could be both a killer game machine -and- and great pre-print machine. but they probably wouldn't have the same video card.
What stopping people from buying the G4/450 256/DVD-RAM and putting another AGP video card in? It's not like Macs haven't had dual monitor support (that works-really well) forever. It'd be nice to have it bundled in, but it's not like a majority of PC manu have great cards tossed in for free. you pay for it either way... But I guess Apple should be taking the lead.
whatever. that's my two cents.
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Actually, a friend of mine found a way around this. If you apply one of the official Id Software patches intended for the full version to the demo, you could play multiplayer games jut fine, but it wrecked the single player.
He did eventually buy the game, by the way, before you start flaming him for that =)
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Figure out how to use that mezzanine slot to use a V2 card? I'm sure Apple would like to know how you got one in there considering that there are no PCI slots.
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It plays fine for me on a 233 Mhz iMac w/Voodoo2. It's even playable at the highest quality settings. Maybe the G3 actually is faster than the PII.
The game is playable on a Pentium 266 with an ATI rage pro...your card is far better. your cpu is better.
adjust the settings/resolution dude, you can run that game just fine.
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who cares?
its still pretty and fun to shoot people.
it also represents the most advanced realtime rendering techology around so far. which is cool.
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What software out there that can run in realtime on consumer hardware that is more advanced?
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mass market crap?
:)
dude, the age of the supercomputer is OVER. An Athlong with a TNT2 Ultra on it performs as well as the high end graphical workstations of TODAY. Short of a few weird government simulations, I'd venture to say Quake3 IS the most advanced, prettiest engine out there for realtime 3d.
Most of the other 3d rendering into which much money has been thrown is not realtime. ie. Toy Story, etc.
so unless youd like to actually NAME SOME SOFTWARE
and possibly enlighten me as to its specs, what if can do, maybe some screen shots or pictures even, I'm going to assume your just being silly.
I would love to be proven wrong here
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take the number of news bits for say...a week, count the number of linux related newsbits and divide that by the total number of newsbits ;) I'm sure you'll get 1/3 at the very least.
Amen! :-)
I hardly need to reply myself.
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The problem where renaming the q3demo directory got you out of restricted demo mode was only applicable to the first test release (1.05?). It's been fixed in later releases.
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I've got the same system, (But with half the RAM.(But not for long)) And Q3test runs fine. My frame-rate at 640x400 is better then My Q2 frame-rate at 800x600.
I agree. ATI drivers aren't too hot for Windows, either. In a lot of people's opinion, they are a second or third rate chip producer, anyway. In reference to the second reply, I saw a petition to get the NVidia GeForce 256 in the G4. That would be something. ATI is holding the Mac back from really being a killer game machine. Well, that and the Ultra-Retarded one button mouse. I mean who wants to play ANYTHING on a box with 8 megs of VRAM?!
"I mean who wants to play ANYTHING on a box with 8 megs of VRAM?!" Well, that's why it comes w/ an AGP slot, so you can toss the 8MB ATI and throw in a 16 or 32MB ATI, or a voodoo 3 card . . .
"I like systems, their application excepted", George Sand (French)
You're forgetting about one very important feature of the ATI cards. The reason Apple has been supporting ATI so strongly is because of 2D performance, which is important for all kinds of publishers and artists, but not so good (but sufficiently) for Gamerz. The new ATI drivers that come with MacOS 9 are much better than the previous ones, and I've been getting noticably better frame rates in all my 3D games on my modest Blue G3 300. Getting back to the issue at hand, ATI kicks 2D ass against Voodoo 3 (and voodoo 2 before that, etc) and only recently have there been other manufacturers able to match ATI in 2D performance, hence the reason Apple is shopping around.
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Totally Offtopic but ..
Mustangs can't handle worth shit : P.
And If Anything was a pinto, it'd be Wolfenstien, Doom was more in the area of 2nd/3rd gen Prelude, still slow but fun to drive.
Q3Arena's a 800HP MK V Supra on Dual NOS ; ) Fast, Fun, and one hell of a game to play.
really, your system must be very poorly set up then!
i run q3test on a gateway model G6-333, 333PII, 128 megs ram, velocity riva 128 chipset with 4 megs of ram on the card.
it runs so great!
i cant WAIT for q3 to come out!
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Exactly - why not just: finger johnc@idsoftware.com or even finger @idsoftware.com to get a directory. Who needs the web page?
Anyone got that to work on 1.08?
Well, firstly, I must admit, the game is good : good enough for me to want to buy it, create a windows partition, buy windows (ech!), buy a TNT 2 Ultra etc. tec. I've been a fan of id all the way through. The only problem is that I find that that I feel that there is some value lacking in their products (single player is crap - it's only purpose is to show off the engine) Don't get me wrong: I'm an avid multuiplayer fan, and can hold my own in a contest - it's just that I want to buy something with a more lasting sense of value. (Good gameplay, plot, story etc etc.) Quake III is just a revised version of Quake I (still). It should be given as a free upgrade! (A bit of an exageration, I know... but still, my opinion.) Anyhow, my R0.02 Dom.
I'm not a huge Quakeoid game fan, but they have a certani appeal to me for the killkillkill aspect, and thats really the whole point, it's NOT a strategic game whatsoever, and was never intended to be. Anyone that says otherwise is just looking to expand their target audience. If you really like tactical firefight games, try something like Rogue Spear or Delta Force (I highly recommend the former, but I haven't heard of any sort of Linux client yet :/) As for differences between Q2 and Q3, I can certainly notice some. In my experience between the two games, 3 is much more on the twitchy side of gameplay, with the action much more fast and heated. With the lack of a real single player mode, it makes it all the more obvious the tactical element was ignored in favor of reflex. BTW, for action shooters, I much prefer Unreal tourney.
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The collision detection is FAR superior to Q2, which is something I'm big on having. Where in Q2 tryin to fire around a corner, with the crosshair dozens of pixels from the wall, you would inevitably shoot the wall then get plastered. Q3 seems to have improved it vastly
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I ahven't played the two games side by side to compare the graphics, but if they are that close that I need to, it's pretty much a moot point. But the fun value of UT is SO much more that that of Q3. the weapons are so much more fun to use, and all the mutated modes are great as well, I love the one with ultra shock rifles only. Q3 is so dry compared to all the nice juicy guns of UT.
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I would be very happy about this is the last Q3Test was even remotely playable. I've got a 300MHz Pentium II/128MB RAM/VooDoo2 and the damn thing was unplayable.
I'm just hoping that the code will be optimized in the next version. And I can't wait to see some of the other bodies that Carmack has cobbeled together.
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"Well, that's where you and I must agree to
disagree. I realize that Q3 won't have much of a
storyline (if any) or single-player aspect, but a
game requiring little more than cockroach-level
twitch reflexes is a pretty poor one, indeed."
1. There's more than just reflexes involved. Being
able to learn the fighting style of your opponent,
knowing where he's going (maybe before he himself
knows it), aiming and leading the opponent
(hand-eye coordination), planning a good strategy
for weapons/armor/powerup retrieval.
2. And we haven't even gotten into the CTF, TF,
Jail Break mods, or regular teamplay deathmatch.
3. You sound as if Quake and it's ilk are pretty
easy to master. Not much to them, right? Just
"cockroach reflexes." So I'm assuming you're
pretty awesome at it, then?
"And it's been done before. I'm wanting more, and
I suspect I'm not alone here. "
id Software has never claimed they are making
an original game in Quake/Quake2/Quake3 as far as
the genre (after all, they invented FP deathmatch
with Doom).
If you "want more" then go play something else.
Is someone stopping you?
"I "played" it in the sense that I ran around the level a few times."
Ahhhh... now I understand. So you tried it once
or twice and that's all.
"When I mean outdoor I mean something like
Tribes...where the map is the equivalent of 4
square kilometers in size!"
It's funny that you bring that up. Correct me if
I'm wrong, but the Quake 3 engine is tailored for
awesome indoor environments, and the Tribes engine
is tailored for awesome outdoor environments. You
act as if Tribes has awesome outdoor stuff, AND
the indoor stuff is as cool and good-looking as Q3.
I have yet to see any game that is great in both
areas, and I suspect it has something to do with
the previous limitations in 3D rendering and the
# of development hours it takes to get all the
features into a game these days. With hardware
geometry rendering finally viable for consumer
PC's, here's hoping we see one in the next two
years.
And I won't be surprised at all if id Software is
the first company to come out with an awesome
engine capable of both environments, seamlessly.
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Nerds play quake. You are in the minority my friend. Also, stuff about John Carmack is Linux/Unix/Tech news. He is one of the only gaming software developers that feels Linux is an OS worth supporting. If you really don't want to hear it just go into your preferences and turn off games.
p.s. Yes I know iD Software isn't the only developer of linux games, but we aren't talking about Loki, etc... that would be off topic
Besides the curved surfaces, what really is going to make Quake III any different than Quake II?
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- It much faster. Not faster as in framerate, but faster as in action speed. A massive Q3A deathmatch with like 40 players is the most intensive game experience I've ever had...
- It is a multiplayer only game. Sure, you will be able to play it yourself against bots, but it's still a simulation of multiplay.
- Q3A is an arcade-style first-person shooter. It's not supposed to have too much tactics. Sure, games with tactics or awesome storylines are cool, but they are another type of game. Part of the power of the FPS is its simplicity.
- johnc himself said that they might later do a game that takes better advantage of the Q3A engine. The best thing you can to with the purty visuals right now is to turn them off...
Small to moderate-sized indoor levels
Did you actually play it? Q3test2 is not small, not indoors, and I bet I can rail you from the other side of it.
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Please, stick with Linux/Unix/Tech news Some of us aren't big enough gamers to visit blue's on a regular basis but still appreciate it when /. lets us know what is happening with Quake. Now if it was dominated by Quake news, I would see your point. But it's not, and they made the right call here. --- "Progress is the God of the Machine"
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Also, elements of strategy and tactics do exist, though at a slightly different level. I spend alot of my game time in duels, rather than 30 person melees, and they are a refinement of tactics, especially maneuvering. Granted, it's not much of a level of tactics, but that level of gameplay isn't totally ignored.
I did try Unreal, but for some reason, the gameplay in it just left me cold, where as I began to love Q3, as soon as my stiff old mind adapted to the unaccustomed speed of the game.
Perhaps the best comparison I can think of lies in the world of automobiles. Doom was a Pinto. Q2 was an early Mustang, and Q3 is a modern one. On the surface, Q2 and Q3 are almost the same, in weight, horsepower, etc, but when you actually get behind the wheel, there's a world of handling difference, and that handling makes all the difference.
Effort can temper a man's body, but only experience can temper his soul.
Sure, it's id stuff and John Carmack's eye-pleasing work. But it's Quake, and for all you can say about the franchise you really can't say that the game itself has changed:
- Single-player viewpoint
- Small to moderate-sized indoor levels
- 8-12 mostly-balanced (yawn) weapons, 1 being some kind of minigun and at least 1 being a shotgun
- Gorgeous graphics which really don't improve gameplay
- id's promises that often-requested features not included in the baseline "could be designed by mod authors" (monkeys? ass? flying? what?)
I've been a big fan of id since the Doom I days, but when I see other titles with essentially the same features with excellent graphics (Unreal Tournament, for example) or clever games that actually bring tactics into play (instead of "just run around and shoot") such as Tribes...well, I gotta wonder how much is fanboy hype when info like this hits the Net press.Besides the curved surfaces, what really is going to make Quake III any different than Quake II?
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Well, here's the deal with the iBooks. Apple's entire goal with the oft-used "four squares on a table napkin" theory is that there is total differentiation between the available products. If you are a student, on a limited budget and want a laptop (assuming you are Apple centric to begin with) there is no choice, it's a no brainer. You want an iBook. If you want a no-compromise machine (since an iBook is really just a Powerbook with some compromises) then you purchase a Powerbook. But, Apple wants to avoid at all costs someone having to wonder what machine is for them.
In the past this really has caused some additional painful decisions. For example, how much would it have cost to add FireWire onto say the second (266 MHz) or third (333 MHz) generation of iMacs. Very little actually, and it would have sold a lot more machines (a digital video editing solution for $1299 a year ago would've been nifty). However, it would have caused people to have that momentary pause. If I am a "not so informed" digital video producer or the joe moron guy in HR that orders my computers, I sit and wonder, which machine, a G3 or a iMac do I order? By not adding Firewire, the choice is simple. If I need digital video input, I buy a G3. No question.
I see the same thing happening with the iBook. The video chip is only a 4 MB AGP chip (one or two year old technology) but is more than suffecient for most web surfing/e-mailing/word processing needs. The water gets a little murkier considering the audience of the machines being in the market for games, but I think Apple made the right choice...
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Perhaps more important though, many people will purchase a full copy for these reasons. a: Gratitude. Id has allowed us to be involved in the devlopment and testing of this game, and I for one, have gotten well more than 40 or 50 bucks worth of fun out of just q3test. I'll shell out that amount just out of appreciation of the effort that the Id crew has put into the game. b: Server compatibilty. The same people who will buy the game out of gratitude tend to be the same people who run dedicated servers for other's enjoyment. If you'll remember Q2, the demo was incompatible in a multiplayer with the full version, or at least I never could get it to run. So, I went out and bought a copy of Q2, just so everyone else with the full copy could smear me across the Edge. If that same incompatbility exists here, thousands will purchase the full version of Q3A, just so they can get out to try to shave their neighbor with a rail slug.
In short, Id, by letting the demo out, in near full version, will actually increase their sales, by giving everyone that intoxicating taste of success. Then, everyone rushes out to buy it, so that they can have more fun fragging their friends, who are running that silly full version of the game out of respect for the people who made it.
Effort can temper a man's body, but only experience can temper his soul.
You scoffed when I said Apple needed to slap that ATI bitch around some.
But now an "industry authority figure" like Carmack comes up and says it: ATI's drivers on Mac OS suck suck suck (sic). Mac is a huge market for ATI, and they still get no respect. They act as if Mac users should be happy to get a driver period.
Well, until Jobs can go up and slap that ATI bitch ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H negotiate briskly with them, Macintosh will continue to be a second-rate gaming platform. And to all the Mac lovers out there; I am not trying to dis Macintosh by saying this; I'm trying to state that there is something that needs to be done, and one of Apple's "partners" is letting them down, and preventing them from executing a MAJOR task in their grand business plan.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
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Thoose of you who haven't can check out John Carmacks latest plan at http://w3.informatik.gu.se/~niklas/joh nc.txt