I am horrible at skipping stones, but the best I ever got was on lake oneida up in NY right before it froze over (I think it was like 10 skips; yeah, I suck). I wonder how much the other type of degrees (temperature) effects things . . . physics/chem geek want to wax eloquent?
I just took a gander at my logs on my postfix-amavisd-spamassassin front ends for one of my smaller ISP's and after doing the math, it's blocking ~36 spam/user/day on average (with spamassassin only blocking at score 9+). It doesn't surprise me that AOL is getting somewhere around ~40spam/user/day as it is more widely visible and the userbase as a whole is generally a lot more likely to do things that would encourage spammers . . .
But, to get power/data cables into free standing racks, why not just user ladder panel? It's relatively cheap and most drywall type laborers can install it. I prefer chatsworth ladder panel myself, but just about any will do. Some people even like to do double decker to keep power on one level and data on another. As for the actual cable runs, you can probably get an electrician to come in and install twistlock style wall outlets for you so the cables aren't accidentally removed (you are securing the cable to the ladder panel anyways aren't you?).
If you don't like that option, you could always get it run through the floor assuming you are on ground floor . . . Any building contractor can run a cable conduit through concrete for you . . .
It just doesn't sound right. They exchanged jacking into each other's Ipods. I think if I said that as a kid my mother would have sent me to my room . . .
I'm not sure when it's going to happen, but some new disease is going to crop up because of this new trend . . . I hope it's deadly. I want my boxy beige systems back that aren't easy to use by the common person.
I was at the AUS airport waiting one night, and apparently the luggage carosel and incoming flight time monitors they have down in baggage claim were on win2k boxes that were blue screening.
I remember looking up at them and pointing out to my friend, "Look, that one just crashed" and then watching many very alarmed looking people who were waiting for passengers try to figure out which flight I was pointing at . . .
Subst won't really help here (it still shows as a generic 'network drive'). Its the same issue as trying to run a defrag on a subst drive which is really a subst of a volume mounted as a directory rather than a drive letter.
I understand it's good for other people to do this since it'd help them learn more about the chipset and make drivers, but can anyone tell me if there's a reason for me, Joe-User, to want to do this today?
I tried browsing the site/forums to see what advantages might be there, but I couldn't seem to get to any of them.
So, does anyone know what advantages I can gain with what's been done today by having some fun with another 614+? (not trolling here, I like it when there's a reason beyond "Because I can" and I am not really skilled enough to help with the driver development effort). Not that I need a reason, futzing around with hardware while exclaiming "For Science!" is enough . . .
You said 5 employees and enough for 1500 each? 5x1500 = 7500.
I'd go with an even grand each. That would leave 1500 that could be used for a group gift like a foozball table, or local game server or just some things to nicen up the office (let the group pick or vote on stuff).
And yes, my math is right. 5x1000=5000 which would leave 2500, but I don't see how it's fair that *YOU* don't get to have the same bonus since you probably worked just as hard if not harder to keep them all so happy. Besides, you've never gotten a bonus and someone who puts thought into something like this no doubt deserves it. And if you were including yourself in the 5, then make it 2500 for the 'make the office a better place' gift.
We had about 15 assorted raq, raq2's, and raq3's that were serving email, web, and some ftp sites. Since sun appeared to have no intention of putting out patches for the various vulnerabilities in both ssh and the httpd services on the boxes, we had to look at other options. Getting one of the newer cobalts wasn't appealling since a company that does this once, is just going to do it again, when they decide they don't want to support the newest.
We ended up converting all our mail off onto an Imail setup (though I think we are going to ditch that since we already have to buffer incoming and outgoing mail with frontend postfix boxes; might as well start going all out open source, but we had to do something quickly and Imail was a quick fix for us). Ie, we pretty much went with custom solutions on a mix of beefier open source boxes and M$ based systems. The hard part was doing it without the customers knowing (which pretty much involved a small cluster of stage 1 built gentoo boxes all john the rippering passwords for us).
Now, all that is minorly interesting (maybe using john to help with a smooth transition), but this gem on getting Redhat installed on a cobalt is just *asking* to be tried out on some of the spares I've got laying about.
But, our take on the whole thing was, 'better to upgrade to our own systems and sell the appliances for 100-200 a pop on ebay'.
There are still plenty out there that won't. My cheap-o apex seems to be able to play anything. The sony I have in the bedroom plays *most* everything (it doesn't like -rw and a few brands of -r) but a few it seems to play the data faster (its really weird, its like watching it with sound at 10% faster than normal) and my first gen ancient sony only seems to like cd rw and +r's.
It sounds like you are more focused on the video side of dvd burning, I think your best bet is going to be browse on over to http://www.dvdrhelp.com/ where they have lots of good info on various players and which media types and brands work with them in both dvd and vcd type formats. If you have an idea of what type of players your friends and family have, you can get a better guage of which format might be better to go with if you do want to just stick with one. (but why! I want both mustard *and* ketchup with my hotdog even though both are good and non-cancelling condiments in their own right).
The dvdrhelp site is very good for software information used for the dvd/vcd creation process too. Definitely worth perusing.
How is going with a burner that can do either a compromise? If they were more expensive by a huge margin, maybe, but they aren't. You don't lose anything by going with a drive that can do both format. The statement that there is 'nothing to "loose" going with one format' is silly. You lose the ability to create in the other format. Why commit to one format when there isn't any reason to?
You, the author of the post, asked this: "What else can help me choose between either format? Are prices that different? Reliability? Speed?" " To which the answer was "dont choose. There isn't a price difference by not choosing". The thing that will help you choose is *what* you are wanting to use the disks for. If you are just using them your own personal dvd player, then go with whichever your player supports. If you want to make movies to send to your extended family, and you don't know for sure one type or the other is going to work in their player the prudent thing is to get a burner that will do both so you can send mom that +R sincer her drive doesn't play the -R's, Uncle Bob the -RW because his first gen sony won't do the +R or -R and everyone else that has players that have solidified the most economical media that gets the job done. If you aren't doing anything with video and are just using it for backups, then go with whichever is the fastest and has the best reviews.
You asked which one was better and we answer 'neither', the one that does both is better and you claim its off topic . . . Fine, i don't understand English. I accept that.
Though I don't know why so many of the 'both' posts are getting modded down, I don't see why this isn't a good answer.
The price on a +/-R type burner isn't that much higher than the just -R or just +R.
I picked the first sony 500 series that did it when they first came out not because of worries over the vhs/beta type war, but because of the cost of media and availability. Yes, some players are going to like some types more than other. Sure, one of them might be the 'winner' in the long run. But for me, I needed lots of data dumps that I didn't want to use tape for. Which means lots of media. I wanted to be sure I could go with the more economical media of the time and it was an intelligent choice. I've had difficulty getting spindles of +R media at times and have no choice but to go with -R media (unless I'm willing to pay 2 bucks a disk in smaller package sizes).
You don't buy a car nowadays without checking out the mile/gallon, no reason the same shouldn't apply to the ongoing cost of our media consuming devices . ..
I guess it all comes down to what you really want to use it *for* to help decide which one is better for you . . . Or course, my argument will slowly become invalid as the media manufacturers and retail outlets catch up with the demand of a still newish consumer product line . . .
One of the fun ones I would pull (only on people that could fix it) was to set the default windows shell to sol.exe (solitaire).
It involves editing the registry, so all the standard warnings here about you could seriously hose the box . ..
So, under the winlogon (look under HKLM_Local_Machine\software\microsoft\windows nt\currentversion\winlogon) branch, there should be a text entry of 'shell' set to explorer.exe. Just change the explorer.exe to sol.exe, reboot, and the next time they logon it should give a nice game of solitaire and nothing else.
To fix, ctrl-shift-esc to bring up the task manager and just run regedit from there, correct, then reboot. Make sure you are there when they logon though to get the full enjoyment (and more importantly to fix it)
I posted about it a bit up there, but yes. You can PXE boot, NFS mount your root remotely into a streamlined linux setup that's whole purpose is to start x and start a full screen rdesktop session to a central terminal server. Rdesktop occasionally crashes, but this is *ok*! The nifty bit about this type of setup, is the user just waits for rdesktop to start back up and when they reconnect they are right back into the same session, right where they left off.
There isn't any reason you have to go completely diskless with pxe either. You could just as easily use one of the CD based linux systems . . . or thumbdrive . ..or floppy . . . I like the PXE option though since it allows for very few (sometimes zero) moving parts and it is very unlikely to fail.
We looked at a couple of the options earlier last year and decided to just go with a terminal server and a diskless linux kiosk type setup. No disks, no moving parts at all in the box except the power supply fans (we used low end P2's and got away with big heat sinks).
The kiosk boxes used pxe and nfs mounted root. The systems used autologin to an account that would only load a full screen rdesktop session to our central terminal server. Any of the linux diskless web kiosk type instructions would work, just substitute in rdesktop for mozilla where applicable:)
You still end up paying for your licensing on the terminal server, but there was no client OS cost and you still got the benefit of hardware that rarely failed since there were few moving parts . . .
I have a hard time looking at anything like this without the cynical 'So?'.
Especially the bit about the Mature rating . . . If farmers start spraying big X's on their cattle, next year some person who didn't know what to do with their BS in mathematics is going to point out the stunning correlation between beef eaten that year from Cows that were X'd and how that number grew over the next year (because deranged farmer X kept spraying X on his cattle maybe). ..
Anyone want to wager whether there was more games with M ratings on them (ie, I don't want to monitor what my child does on the computer, I'll just assume these people using this rating know whats good for my kids *troll troll troll*).
93% of all statistics are grossly wrong (tongue in cheek) and it takes all kindsa critters to make farmer vincents fritters.
Syslinux will get you far on these 'toys'. I have a couple of them (and they seem to be multiplying). The smaller ones I use as combo 95/98 boot disks and have them booting kernels that will nfs mount root off one of my other boxes. Lets me turn a spare box into a quick linux box or a place to sys a couple new 98 style boot disks. Syslinux is your friend and it *will* work on most of these thumb drives. The hard part in getting these to boot is usually getting your mainboard to actually do it (lots claim they do, but you'll need luck actually making the marketing come true)
I am not going to argue the obvious 'build it yourself' threads that are going to inundate this topic. I'm also not going to argue whether those Soldam cases are more stylish (some of us don't understand what is appealing about the direction the macs are going).
I have bought several spacewalkers, and though I'm not floored by its performance, I generally think they are ok for 'tuck-away' systems.
Has anyone seen that ebony gloss miniitx case design for sale elsewhere?
I didn't see this mentioned anywhere, but just because you have a multi proc system, it doesn't mean you have to run MSSQL on all the procs. You can purchase a single processor license of sql server, but be running it on a quad proc box. To be compliant, you just need to be sure you are setting the processors the service can use (er, its on the 'Processor' tab under the sql server properties).
This isn't necessarily a bad thing to do either. When you are having to be conservative with your cash, a lot of the times these boxes have to serve multiple purposes. Having the sql server running on only procs 3 & 4 would leave 1 & 2 available to do 'other stuff' (web services? perl scripts?).
With SQL2k you can even have the development and the production sql server be the same system and generally not effect each other performance-wise when you are thrashing the procs. You just need to setup multiple instances of the service and assign each to separate processors (of course, they won't be completely autonomous since they *are* on the same box, but at least you won't get competition for the processor)
In any case, I'd go with the quad proc box. Only get one CPU if you want. You can always add to it later and purchase further licenses *if* you need them.
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So it was a K-raut K-root server that tipped the balance?
*dodges the thrown fruit*
I am horrible at skipping stones, but the best I ever got was on lake oneida up in NY right before it froze over (I think it was like 10 skips; yeah, I suck). I wonder how much the other type of degrees (temperature) effects things . . . physics/chem geek want to wax eloquent?
I just took a gander at my logs on my postfix-amavisd-spamassassin front ends for one of my smaller ISP's and after doing the math, it's blocking ~36 spam/user/day on average (with spamassassin only blocking at score 9+). It doesn't surprise me that AOL is getting somewhere around ~40spam/user/day as it is more widely visible and the userbase as a whole is generally a lot more likely to do things that would encourage spammers . . .
Should have included this in the post.
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It is relatively cheap and it's easy enough to install.
You'll probably need an electrician.
But, to get power/data cables into free standing racks, why not just user ladder panel? It's relatively cheap and most drywall type laborers can install it. I prefer chatsworth ladder panel myself, but just about any will do. Some people even like to do double decker to keep power on one level and data on another. As for the actual cable runs, you can probably get an electrician to come in and install twistlock style wall outlets for you so the cables aren't accidentally removed (you are securing the cable to the ladder panel anyways aren't you?).
If you don't like that option, you could always get it run through the floor assuming you are on ground floor . . . Any building contractor can run a cable conduit through concrete for you . . .
It just doesn't sound right. They exchanged jacking into each other's Ipods. I think if I said that as a kid my mother would have sent me to my room . . .
I'm not sure when it's going to happen, but some new disease is going to crop up because of this new trend . . . I hope it's deadly. I want my boxy beige systems back that aren't easy to use by the common person.
I was at the AUS airport waiting one night, and apparently the luggage carosel and incoming flight time monitors they have down in baggage claim were on win2k boxes that were blue screening.
I remember looking up at them and pointing out to my friend, "Look, that one just crashed" and then watching many very alarmed looking people who were waiting for passengers try to figure out which flight I was pointing at . . .
Subst won't really help here (it still shows as a generic 'network drive'). Its the same issue as trying to run a defrag on a subst drive which is really a subst of a volume mounted as a directory rather than a drive letter.
Er, but why am I doing this again?
I understand it's good for other people to do this since it'd help them learn more about the chipset and make drivers, but can anyone tell me if there's a reason for me, Joe-User, to want to do this today?
I tried browsing the site/forums to see what advantages might be there, but I couldn't seem to get to any of them.
So, does anyone know what advantages I can gain with what's been done today by having some fun with another 614+? (not trolling here, I like it when there's a reason beyond "Because I can" and I am not really skilled enough to help with the driver development effort). Not that I need a reason, futzing around with hardware while exclaiming "For Science!" is enough . . .
You said 5 employees and enough for 1500 each? 5x1500 = 7500.
I'd go with an even grand each. That would leave 1500 that could be used for a group gift like a foozball table, or local game server or just some things to nicen up the office (let the group pick or vote on stuff).
And yes, my math is right. 5x1000=5000 which would leave 2500, but I don't see how it's fair that *YOU* don't get to have the same bonus since you probably worked just as hard if not harder to keep them all so happy. Besides, you've never gotten a bonus and someone who puts thought into something like this no doubt deserves it. And if you were including yourself in the 5, then make it 2500 for the 'make the office a better place' gift.
We had about 15 assorted raq, raq2's, and raq3's that were serving email, web, and some ftp sites. Since sun appeared to have no intention of putting out patches for the various vulnerabilities in both ssh and the httpd services on the boxes, we had to look at other options. Getting one of the newer cobalts wasn't appealling since a company that does this once, is just going to do it again, when they decide they don't want to support the newest.
We ended up converting all our mail off onto an Imail setup (though I think we are going to ditch that since we already have to buffer incoming and outgoing mail with frontend postfix boxes; might as well start going all out open source, but we had to do something quickly and Imail was a quick fix for us). Ie, we pretty much went with custom solutions on a mix of beefier open source boxes and M$ based systems. The hard part was doing it without the customers knowing (which pretty much involved a small cluster of stage 1 built gentoo boxes all john the rippering passwords for us).
Now, all that is minorly interesting (maybe using john to help with a smooth transition), but this gem on getting Redhat installed on a cobalt is just *asking* to be tried out on some of the spares I've got laying about.
But, our take on the whole thing was, 'better to upgrade to our own systems and sell the appliances for 100-200 a pop on ebay'.
There are still plenty out there that won't. My cheap-o apex seems to be able to play anything. The sony I have in the bedroom plays *most* everything (it doesn't like -rw and a few brands of -r) but a few it seems to play the data faster (its really weird, its like watching it with sound at 10% faster than normal) and my first gen ancient sony only seems to like cd rw and +r's.
It sounds like you are more focused on the video side of dvd burning, I think your best bet is going to be browse on over to http://www.dvdrhelp.com/ where they have lots of good info on various players and which media types and brands work with them in both dvd and vcd type formats. If you have an idea of what type of players your friends and family have, you can get a better guage of which format might be better to go with if you do want to just stick with one. (but why! I want both mustard *and* ketchup with my hotdog even though both are good and non-cancelling condiments in their own right).
The dvdrhelp site is very good for software information used for the dvd/vcd creation process too. Definitely worth perusing.
How is going with a burner that can do either a compromise? If they were more expensive by a huge margin, maybe, but they aren't. You don't lose anything by going with a drive that can do both format. The statement that there is 'nothing to "loose" going with one format' is silly. You lose the ability to create in the other format. Why commit to one format when there isn't any reason to?
You, the author of the post, asked this: "What else can help me choose between either format? Are prices that different? Reliability? Speed?" " To which the answer was "dont choose. There isn't a price difference by not choosing". The thing that will help you choose is *what* you are wanting to use the disks for. If you are just using them your own personal dvd player, then go with whichever your player supports. If you want to make movies to send to your extended family, and you don't know for sure one type or the other is going to work in their player the prudent thing is to get a burner that will do both so you can send mom that +R sincer her drive doesn't play the -R's, Uncle Bob the -RW because his first gen sony won't do the +R or -R and everyone else that has players that have solidified the most economical media that gets the job done. If you aren't doing anything with video and are just using it for backups, then go with whichever is the fastest and has the best reviews.
You asked which one was better and we answer 'neither', the one that does both is better and you claim its off topic . . . Fine, i don't understand English. I accept that.
+/- RW's offbrands for just over 100 bucks. Pioneers for 130 ish, and the sony's for close to 150.
Though I don't know why so many of the 'both' posts are getting modded down, I don't see why this isn't a good answer.
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The price on a +/-R type burner isn't that much higher than the just -R or just +R.
I picked the first sony 500 series that did it when they first came out not because of worries over the vhs/beta type war, but because of the cost of media and availability. Yes, some players are going to like some types more than other. Sure, one of them might be the 'winner' in the long run. But for me, I needed lots of data dumps that I didn't want to use tape for. Which means lots of media. I wanted to be sure I could go with the more economical media of the time and it was an intelligent choice. I've had difficulty getting spindles of +R media at times and have no choice but to go with -R media (unless I'm willing to pay 2 bucks a disk in smaller package sizes).
You don't buy a car nowadays without checking out the mile/gallon, no reason the same shouldn't apply to the ongoing cost of our media consuming devices . .
I guess it all comes down to what you really want to use it *for* to help decide which one is better for you . . . Or course, my argument will slowly become invalid as the media manufacturers and retail outlets catch up with the demand of a still newish consumer product line . . .
One of the fun ones I would pull (only on people that could fix it) was to set the default windows shell to sol.exe (solitaire).
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It involves editing the registry, so all the standard warnings here about you could seriously hose the box . .
So, under the winlogon (look under HKLM_Local_Machine\software\microsoft\windows nt\currentversion\winlogon) branch, there should be a text entry of 'shell' set to explorer.exe. Just change the explorer.exe to sol.exe, reboot, and the next time they logon it should give a nice game of solitaire and nothing else.
To fix, ctrl-shift-esc to bring up the task manager and just run regedit from there, correct, then reboot. Make sure you are there when they logon though to get the full enjoyment (and more importantly to fix it)
I posted about it a bit up there, but yes. You can PXE boot, NFS mount your root remotely into a streamlined linux setup that's whole purpose is to start x and start a full screen rdesktop session to a central terminal server. Rdesktop occasionally crashes, but this is *ok*! The nifty bit about this type of setup, is the user just waits for rdesktop to start back up and when they reconnect they are right back into the same session, right where they left off.
.or floppy . . . I like the PXE option though since it allows for very few (sometimes zero) moving parts and it is very unlikely to fail.
There isn't any reason you have to go completely diskless with pxe either. You could just as easily use one of the CD based linux systems . . . or thumbdrive . .
We looked at a couple of the options earlier last year and decided to just go with a terminal server and a diskless linux kiosk type setup. No disks, no moving parts at all in the box except the power supply fans (we used low end P2's and got away with big heat sinks).
:)
The kiosk boxes used pxe and nfs mounted root. The systems used autologin to an account that would only load a full screen rdesktop session to our central terminal server. Any of the linux diskless web kiosk type instructions would work, just substitute in rdesktop for mozilla where applicable
You still end up paying for your licensing on the terminal server, but there was no client OS cost and you still got the benefit of hardware that rarely failed since there were few moving parts . . .
I have a hard time looking at anything like this without the cynical 'So?'.
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Especially the bit about the Mature rating . . . If farmers start spraying big X's on their cattle, next year some person who didn't know what to do with their BS in mathematics is going to point out the stunning correlation between beef eaten that year from Cows that were X'd and how that number grew over the next year (because deranged farmer X kept spraying X on his cattle maybe). .
Anyone want to wager whether there was more games with M ratings on them (ie, I don't want to monitor what my child does on the computer, I'll just assume these people using this rating know whats good for my kids *troll troll troll*).
93% of all statistics are grossly wrong (tongue in cheek) and it takes all kindsa critters to make farmer vincents fritters.
Syslinux will get you far on these 'toys'. I have a couple of them (and they seem to be multiplying). The smaller ones I use as combo 95/98 boot disks and have them booting kernels that will nfs mount root off one of my other boxes. Lets me turn a spare box into a quick linux box or a place to sys a couple new 98 style boot disks. Syslinux is your friend and it *will* work on most of these thumb drives. The hard part in getting these to boot is usually getting your mainboard to actually do it (lots claim they do, but you'll need luck actually making the marketing come true)
The company name 'Scovell' *does* have a certain ring to it.
Wisconsin team engineers gas from biomass
Apparently I wasn't the only one to eat Taco Bell last night...
Where did they get the shiny black shuttle case?
I am not going to argue the obvious 'build it yourself' threads that are going to inundate this topic. I'm also not going to argue whether those Soldam cases are more stylish (some of us don't understand what is appealing about the direction the macs are going).
I have bought several spacewalkers, and though I'm not floored by its performance, I generally think they are ok for 'tuck-away' systems.
Has anyone seen that ebony gloss miniitx case design for sale elsewhere?
(-7 Offtopic, Posted to wrong ask slashdot database topic for the day. Hoohah)
I didn't see this mentioned anywhere, but just because you have a multi proc system, it doesn't mean you have to run MSSQL on all the procs. You can purchase a single processor license of sql server, but be running it on a quad proc box. To be compliant, you just need to be sure you are setting the processors the service can use (er, its on the 'Processor' tab under the sql server properties).
This isn't necessarily a bad thing to do either. When you are having to be conservative with your cash, a lot of the times these boxes have to serve multiple purposes. Having the sql server running on only procs 3 & 4 would leave 1 & 2 available to do 'other stuff' (web services? perl scripts?).
With SQL2k you can even have the development and the production sql server be the same system and generally not effect each other performance-wise when you are thrashing the procs. You just need to setup multiple instances of the service and assign each to separate processors (of course, they won't be completely autonomous since they *are* on the same box, but at least you won't get competition for the processor)
In any case, I'd go with the quad proc box. Only get one CPU if you want. You can always add to it later and purchase further licenses *if* you need them.