I was never actually *mad* about it, to be honest... I felt just mostly disillusioned, to be perfectly frank. This happened to me within the last couple of months before my Applecare was actually about to expire, and I wanted to get one final thing addressed with the wifi adapter that had been bugging me already for some weeks prior, originally anticipating I might be able to get the work done for free when was told I would have to pay.
Do you have proof for the accusation they are lying that doesn't presuppose that the fact that however much they may want sales is actually a sufficient incentive for them to do so in regards to this, particularly when the claim is not only feasible, but also verifiable?
If they were making an unverifiable statement, it might be fair to doubt it, especially given that they weren't up front about it originally, but that's not the case here.
It's fine to be critical of them for not being transparent about it in the first place, but if they were actually doing this, then slowdown wouldn't generally be tied to the degradation of the battery, but to the device itself.
Take an older device that has not been used much, and compare it to a newer device that you artificially wear down the battery performance to the same levels through many charge and discharge cycles, and differences in processing speed notwithstanding, you should find virtually identical levels of slowdown. The slowdown is clearly tied to how much the battery has worn out, and their claim that spontaneous shutdowns may happen without being throttled as the battery degrades is not only feasible, but actually verifiable.
Like most conspiracy theories, yours lacks evidence. The evidence you try and cite begs the question, and doesn't actually prove anything.
Which bullshit? That running a degraded battery at full performance can cause an unexpected shutdown?
Do you have some objective evidence to back up the notion that this is made up, or are you assuming that because they weren't up front about it right away, that this must necessarily be a lie?
Do you similarly believe it is impossible for a person who may have been caught in a lie to later tell the truth? There may be cause to doubt what they say, but there is no objectively valid reason to conclude that everything that they say is necessarily false before it has even been fact-checked.
Oh, and their claim is verifiable anyways... so there's that too.
That would, I assume, likely fall into the statistical noise category, being less than 1% and therefore not actually change the accuracy of the statement when rounded to the nearest whole percentage point.
WHY the Creator allowed imperfection to enter a perfect system is a different discussion.
One could say that the system was never perfect.... when he was apparently finished, he only said that it was "very good". On the scale of things, that basically meant that God graded his own work at about a B.
For what it's worth, I'm definitely not an Apple hater... just someone who experienced what I thought at the time was that the so-called claim that it wouldn't void warranties was just lip service to the consumer protection laws, but when it came down to brass tacks, they could decide rather arbitrarily to discount the warranty if home repairs had actually been done, leaving me with little recourse unless I wished to bring a lawyer into the matter, which would have been even *more* expensive than the work I needed to get done, not to mention time consuming.
Actually, the guy apparently still has veto power.
Pescetelli is, of course, also aware of the internet's predilection for disturbing extremity and there are rules constraining the commands to ensure the safety, privacy and respect of all parties involved, including bystanders. So this won't devolve into a live-action version of Grand Theft Auto. However, Pescetelli does add that, "Everything else will be allowed."
You must admit that it flies directly in the face of several other posters
I'll have to admit that much, certainly... and honestly, until I started seeing people suggesting that should not have happened, I did not know that my experience was not typical.
I was speaking only from my experience. What baffles is me is why you would think I was lying when I clearly had no reason to.
How about you stop suggesting that I'm lying just because the experience is inconsistent with what you think reality is.... you weren't there. I was. Done and done.
And how, exactly, do you think I am supposed to do that three years after the fact?
Not your problem, right? Then stop fucking calling me a liar, because when you do, you are damn well making it your problem.
It's one thing to suggest that my experience should not have happened, but it's quite another to accuse me of making shit up. Had I been aware at the time that I would be recounting this story three years later and had my credibility questioned, I would have probably acquired such proof at the time, but alas, I did not.
As I said, this was more than 3 years ago now... and the Applecare on my computer has now long since expired. I can only speak to my experience. The fact that I apparently got modded as a troll for doing so only suggests that people think I had an agenda for saying what I did.
Well, it's definitely a thing on Google.... basically, whenever I've decided I don't like the first batch of results I got, and I want to tweak the query a bit, there's about a 33% chance I'll get it on the next query I try. After I've gotten the prompt once, and clicked the "I'm not a robot" button to dimiss it, it seems go go away for a while, but it always eventually comes back when I am doing multiple similar queries.
.... not have to click "I'm not a robot" whenever I'm trying to research something and the results of a query that didn't return any promising links, suggesting that I need to tweak the query a little to get more refined results?
I find that about one of every 3 or 4 times that I click "Search" on Google after I've already scanned the first page of results it gives me without finding any promising leads, I will get a prompt like that which I have to click in order to proceed.
Pray tell, what was I supposed to say to them that I would have been able to get my computer back, and in particular, would not have required me to call a lawyer, which would have cost me even *more* money? Thankfully, the repair was not that costly (it was a network adapter issue), but it was enough for me to decide to not deal with Apple again. Not that it really matters, as I said... this was three years ago now, and it's not like it's still under warranty anymore now anyways.
I was simply curious as to whether or not the places I have worked in the past decade may not be large enough, or if your generalization of "any company" was, in fact, an overgeneralization.
Apparently the RAM is user upgradable, so why you'd want to pay Apple's obscene markup to install a few DIMMs for you is beyond me.
Because if you don't, then you forgo your extended warranty.
And before you ask, yes, this actually happened to me, about 3 years ago now. I made it clear to them that I will never buy another Mac again... their reaction was as about as indifferent as one might expect.
What is the point of these stories, exactly? Beyond caterint to those who perpetuate in the sort of delusion that the environmental goals that need to be reached by certain dates to avoid catastrophe have even the smallest realistic chance of being reached? The planet is fubarred already... even if there were something we could do, it wouldn't matter because not enough people *will* actually do it to stop it.
You can't fake somebody's brain though. And presenting a false hash of the expected brain to another machine to try and fake being somebody else would require compromising the target machine in the first place so that it wasn't going to do its own scanning, so you wouldn't just be able to arbitrarily pretend to be somebody else without literally making a duplicate of that person's brain.
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I was never actually *mad* about it, to be honest... I felt just mostly disillusioned, to be perfectly frank. This happened to me within the last couple of months before my Applecare was actually about to expire, and I wanted to get one final thing addressed with the wifi adapter that had been bugging me already for some weeks prior, originally anticipating I might be able to get the work done for free when was told I would have to pay.
Do you have proof for the accusation they are lying that doesn't presuppose that the fact that however much they may want sales is actually a sufficient incentive for them to do so in regards to this, particularly when the claim is not only feasible, but also verifiable?
If they were making an unverifiable statement, it might be fair to doubt it, especially given that they weren't up front about it originally, but that's not the case here.
That's a fair point... and one that could rightfully be asked to Apple.
It's fine to be critical of them for not being transparent about it in the first place, but if they were actually doing this, then slowdown wouldn't generally be tied to the degradation of the battery, but to the device itself.
Take an older device that has not been used much, and compare it to a newer device that you artificially wear down the battery performance to the same levels through many charge and discharge cycles, and differences in processing speed notwithstanding, you should find virtually identical levels of slowdown. The slowdown is clearly tied to how much the battery has worn out, and their claim that spontaneous shutdowns may happen without being throttled as the battery degrades is not only feasible, but actually verifiable.
Like most conspiracy theories, yours lacks evidence. The evidence you try and cite begs the question, and doesn't actually prove anything.
Which bullshit? That running a degraded battery at full performance can cause an unexpected shutdown?
Do you have some objective evidence to back up the notion that this is made up, or are you assuming that because they weren't up front about it right away, that this must necessarily be a lie?
Do you similarly believe it is impossible for a person who may have been caught in a lie to later tell the truth? There may be cause to doubt what they say, but there is no objectively valid reason to conclude that everything that they say is necessarily false before it has even been fact-checked.
Oh, and their claim is verifiable anyways... so there's that too.
It's not just you, if that's any comfort...
I'm sure it could, but I imagine that it's statistically unlikely enough to happen in any real world instance for them to not worry about it.
That would, I assume, likely fall into the statistical noise category, being less than 1% and therefore not actually change the accuracy of the statement when rounded to the nearest whole percentage point.
One could say that the system was never perfect.... when he was apparently finished, he only said that it was "very good". On the scale of things, that basically meant that God graded his own work at about a B.
For what it's worth, I'm definitely not an Apple hater... just someone who experienced what I thought at the time was that the so-called claim that it wouldn't void warranties was just lip service to the consumer protection laws, but when it came down to brass tacks, they could decide rather arbitrarily to discount the warranty if home repairs had actually been done, leaving me with little recourse unless I wished to bring a lawyer into the matter, which would have been even *more* expensive than the work I needed to get done, not to mention time consuming.
I'll have to admit that much, certainly... and honestly, until I started seeing people suggesting that should not have happened, I did not know that my experience was not typical.
I was speaking only from my experience. What baffles is me is why you would think I was lying when I clearly had no reason to.
How about you stop suggesting that I'm lying just because the experience is inconsistent with what you think reality is.... you weren't there. I was. Done and done.
And how, exactly, do you think I am supposed to do that three years after the fact?
Not your problem, right? Then stop fucking calling me a liar, because when you do, you are damn well making it your problem.
It's one thing to suggest that my experience should not have happened, but it's quite another to accuse me of making shit up. Had I been aware at the time that I would be recounting this story three years later and had my credibility questioned, I would have probably acquired such proof at the time, but alas, I did not.
As I said, this was more than 3 years ago now... and the Applecare on my computer has now long since expired. I can only speak to my experience. The fact that I apparently got modded as a troll for doing so only suggests that people think I had an agenda for saying what I did.
Well, it's definitely a thing on Google.... basically, whenever I've decided I don't like the first batch of results I got, and I want to tweak the query a bit, there's about a 33% chance I'll get it on the next query I try. After I've gotten the prompt once, and clicked the "I'm not a robot" button to dimiss it, it seems go go away for a while, but it always eventually comes back when I am doing multiple similar queries.
I find that about one of every 3 or 4 times that I click "Search" on Google after I've already scanned the first page of results it gives me without finding any promising leads, I will get a prompt like that which I have to click in order to proceed.
It's damn annoying to be perfectly honest.
Pray tell, what was I supposed to say to them that I would have been able to get my computer back, and in particular, would not have required me to call a lawyer, which would have cost me even *more* money? Thankfully, the repair was not that costly (it was a network adapter issue), but it was enough for me to decide to not deal with Apple again. Not that it really matters, as I said... this was three years ago now, and it's not like it's still under warranty anymore now anyways.
For values of probably synonymous with "yes".
What else is a customer supposed to do, other than not buy Apple in the first place?
I was simply curious as to whether or not the places I have worked in the past decade may not be large enough, or if your generalization of "any company" was, in fact, an overgeneralization.
Because if you don't, then you forgo your extended warranty.
And before you ask, yes, this actually happened to me, about 3 years ago now. I made it clear to them that I will never buy another Mac again... their reaction was as about as indifferent as one might expect.
And just how many people is that, precisely? 20? 50? 100? 1000?
Presumably, whatever is doing the transmitting is "trusted", and that's the thing you'd have to compromise.
What is the point of these stories, exactly? Beyond caterint to those who perpetuate in the sort of delusion that the environmental goals that need to be reached by certain dates to avoid catastrophe have even the smallest realistic chance of being reached? The planet is fubarred already... even if there were something we could do, it wouldn't matter because not enough people *will* actually do it to stop it.
You can't fake somebody's brain though. And presenting a false hash of the expected brain to another machine to try and fake being somebody else would require compromising the target machine in the first place so that it wasn't going to do its own scanning, so you wouldn't just be able to arbitrarily pretend to be somebody else without literally making a duplicate of that person's brain.