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iOS 12.1 Extends Controversial Processor Throttling Feature To the iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and X (mashable.com)

With iOS 12.1, Apple introduced a bunch of new features like Group FaceTime and dozens of new emoji. But the company also elected to add a controversial new performance management feature to the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X. From a report: For the uninitiated, back in December 2017, Apple confirmed that it would sometimes slow down older iPhones through a software update in order to prevent unexpected shutdowns. The result was that certain models -- iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6S, 6S Plus, 7, and 7 Plus -- would often perform poorly after being updated to the newest version of iOS. Users had long suspected Apple was throttling older iPhones, but it wasn't until Geekbench published an expose that the company publicly admitted it was, indeed, slowing down older iPhones -- albeit, for a good reason. Apple said in its explanation of the throttling issue that its goal was "to deliver the best experience for customers" and essentially argued the practice of throttling was a feature -- not a bug as it had been reported. Apple's solution was to give iPhone owners some extra control over the feature and offer a reduced cost for battery replacements.

101 comments

  1. It's optional now. by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't like it? Turn it off. If your battery is old and has trouble providing current, Apple gives you the choice between throttling or unexpected shutdowns. I'm not sure what more people could want them to do on this subject.

    1. Re:It's optional now. by fred6666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why is this "feature" only included after they release the next model? A battery can't degrade before that, even if charged/discharged 10 times per day?

    2. Re:It's optional now. by digitaljc · · Score: 1, Troll

      USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY

    3. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But do the older iOS versions for the older devices even have this feature?

    4. Re:It's optional now. by DarkOx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      personally - I'd like them to offer a phone that is maybe a few mills thicker but has swap-able batteries. That's just me though apparently.

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    5. Re: It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I'm not sure what more people could want them to do on this subject"

      Not hide it for years until it was discovered independently, then actually admit that it was about getting people to nuy new phones, not some smoke-and-mirrors story about battery life?

      If Apple gave a fuck about battey life, they would. let. you. replace. it.

    6. Re:It's optional now. by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because prior to the next model release, every device from the previous generation is under warranty, give or take a couple of weeks, so battery replacements would be free.

      During the warranty period, if a device exhibits sudden shutdowns, it is better for the customer if that device prematurely shuts down repeatedly, because that encourages the customer to get his or her battery replaced rather than continue to suffer from a bad battery that could have been fixed for free.

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    7. Re:It's optional now. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Why is this "feature" only included after they release the next model? A battery can't degrade before that, even if charged/discharged 10 times per day?

      Pretty much not.

    8. Re:It's optional now. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it could, but I imagine that it's statistically unlikely enough to happen in any real world instance for them to not worry about it.

    9. Re:It's optional now. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Problem is, if you have an older device that they don't support the newer OSes on, you don't get the ability to turn the feature off.

      Since they support devices back to the iPhone 5s with iOS 12, that isn't really an issue.

    10. Re:It's optional now. by mark-t · · Score: 2

      It's not just you, if that's any comfort...

    11. Re:It's optional now. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2

      But do the older iOS versions for the older devices even have this feature?

      Anything old enough to be incompatible with iOS 12 would never have had the "throttling" feature, anyway.

    12. Re:It's optional now. by jellomizer · · Score: 0

      Still on that horse.
      Are you also annoyed that systems no longer have floppy disks drives?
      Perhaps the parallel port, I personally kinda missed that one. Granted I don't have any devices that need it, but it was nice.

      There was a massive quality increase in batteries about 10 years ago. You are probably still spending less to have a certified vendor replace your battery over the lifetime of your device then having user replaceable of the old types.

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    13. Re: It's optional now. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2

      " I'm not sure what more people could want them to do on this subject"

      Not hide it for years until it was discovered independently, then actually admit that it was about getting people to nuy new phones, not some smoke-and-mirrors story about battery life?

      If Apple gave a fuck about battey life, they would. let. you. replace. it.

      Um, it wasn't actually "hidden"; just inadequately explained. And it wasn't for YEARS.

    14. Re:It's optional now. by digitaljc · · Score: 1, Troll

      USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY.

    15. Re:It's optional now. by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "I'm not sure what more people could want them to do on this subject."

      It seems like the loudest people expect to get a pony.

    16. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This would require them to make the devices 1mm thicker, are you mad!?

    17. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone already mentioned USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY which should be government-mandated for all devices with a battery, but the other option would be to use batteries that can provide enough power to the CPU.

      There are no Android phones with this issue. This is an Apple-exclusive issue. The reason is because they simply design their phones with no concept of "tolerances." Should any thing not be exactly to spec - boom! The whole thing falls apart. See also the recent news that being exposed to helium bricks iDevices.

    18. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, battery replaces you!

    19. Re:It's optional now. by ScienceofSpock · · Score: 1

      Why don't they just give you the option of NOT upgrading to the newest version of the OS that was designed to run on *slightly* newer hardware, and NOT throttle your damn phone?!? Forced obsolescence is anti-consumer. Instead of installing completely new versions of the OS on older hardware that CLEARLY can't handle it, they should EOL the slightly older version and just do security updates for 3 years, like other OS manufacturers. Why people put up with this behavior is beyond me. YOU own your device, NOT THEM.

    20. Re:It's optional now. by bobbied · · Score: 0

      USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY

      Why? Apple replaces the battery in reasonably current I-Devices for very little coin. Just hit up the Apple Store and they will set you up.

      Where I like the user replaceable battery option, let's face it, Apple isn't going to give you that. In fact, the market is moving away from that as you look at currently available handsets...

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    21. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't like it? Turn it off.

      When they first released it, they didn't provide that option, and didn't tell people they had done it.

      If your battery is old and has trouble providing current, Apple gives you the choice between throttling or unexpected shutdowns.

      That's what Apple says, but initially Apple said it wasn't happening at all, they just straight up said "who, us?". They flat out said nothing of the sort was happening.

      Now, miraculously they have enabled it and told people about it, but the perception became that Apple was throttling old phones to make you upgrade. Given their initial denial this was happening at all, I'm afraid I have a hard time believing them.

      At this point, the original denial, the current official explanation, and the back pedalling to let you disable it, why should we accept on face value that it was done to benefit the users instead of selling more phones?

      You seriously think Apple doesn't realize they can't sell a new phone to everyone every year, and that it's in their best interests to make people want to upgrade?

      I still find that management decided to do it without telling people to trigger upgrades to be an entirely plausible explanation.

      I'm not sure what more people could want them to do on this subject.

      Be honest and up front instead of lying to people? That would be a good start.

    22. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is a joke, unless cell phones standardize on a range of physical sizes and electrical properties. Otherwise, you basically just end up "replacing" your battery with a refurbished one or one that was manufactured when your phone came out and has been sitting in a warehouse.

    23. Re:It's optional now. by Jerry · · Score: 1

      Thumbs up! +1

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    24. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm still using an iPhone 4, you insensitive clod!

    25. Re: It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit Liar!

    26. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm digging out my old IBM XT "to deliver the best experience".

    27. Re:It's optional now. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know I would like the ability to remove the battery and have a completely shut off device. Or if I go camping to have a spare battery or two versus have power cells which I have to have a cord for etc etc.

    28. Re: It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only reason this might not be a problem on some android phones is the processor they have is so slow and outdated that it can't spike the power. However since there are many cases of Android phones looping and crashing when they have older batteries, it seems at least some phones do have processors that can do this.

      This really also has little to do with the phone and more to do with how batteries in general work.

    29. Re: It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The battery fix probably went out with little if any management discussion and certainly none around being a way to get people to buy new phones.

      Most likely an engineer was given a bug to fix where they were seeing phones crash when the processor was drawing more power than the battery could supply. The solution is rather simple limit the processor so it can't take as much power in that situation. They probably coded the fix, had it tested and rolled it out with limited oversight as a simple patch.

      As for the denial? So then a user accuses them of purposely slowing down their hardware, some kid in support knows they wouldn't do that, and they most likely connect a crashing bug fix with the slow down.

      Either way it's a good feature now that you can control it, and it's probably going to be more important going forward as standard power management as CPUs/GPUs get more power hungry.

    30. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I know I would like the ability to remove the battery and have a completely shut off device. Or if I go camping to have a spare battery or two versus have power cells which I have to have a cord for etc etc.

      Devil's advocate: USB battery packs can be used to recharge more types of devices (GPS, lights, etc), whereas a spare battery is a one-trick pony.

      * https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-portable-solar-battery-pack/
      * https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-usb-battery-packs/
      * https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-usb-c-battery-packs-and-power-banks/

    31. Re: It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your space bar and your period key are faulty - are you using a new-ish Macbook?

    32. Re:It's optional now. by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      still, if the feature works as they says it does, it should be enabled from day one. Their algorithm is allegedly good enough to detect a "used" battery and reduce CPU speed only if the battery is used. Isn't it?
      Why does it always need to come from an OS update a year later? Why are they even maintaining a device white list which can "benefit" from this "feature"? It should be enabled for all devices and without requiring an update.

    33. Re:It's optional now. by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2

      Don't like it? Turn it off. If your battery is old and has trouble providing current, Apple gives you the choice between throttling or unexpected shutdowns. I'm not sure what more people could want them to do on this subject.

      Here's an idea: STOP GLUING FUCKING WEAR ITEMS INTO OUR COMPUTING DEVICES.

      Jesus this shit is making me crazy.

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    34. Re:It's optional now. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The FUD is strong this week. Is Apple stock up or something?

    35. Re:It's optional now. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Their algorithm is allegedly good enough to detect a "used" battery and reduce CPU speed only if the battery is used. Isn't it?

      That's a fair point... and one that could rightfully be asked to Apple.

    36. Re:It's optional now. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      ^ THIS!

      Close this thread up. dgatwood nailed it!

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    37. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More important than being optional or not, I guess one could make the case of why this is needed at all. Supposing batteries are more or less commodity items, I wonder if this a CPU design artifact? I ask it because I don't see any of my old non-apple phones having similar problems.

      I have a 5 year old Motorola, a 4 year old Sony and a 3 year old Xiaomi. None of then have so called random reboot problems... not on a appreciable frequency at least and observable slowdown problems are easily solved with factory resets.

      Maybe Apple should reevaluate how their CPUs consume juice? Is Apple abusing batteries just to look good at launch?

    38. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS. That's assuming that the customer don't have important work suddenly interrupted by the battery, and that the customer can easily go to Apple store. Why can't the customer have a choice to enable this? Because the real reason for the "feature" is slowing down the theirPhone..

    39. Re:It's optional now. by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Important work? On an iPhone?

      Ignoring that skepticism, this is the difference between the phone dying at 0% and maybe surprising you by shutting down at a few percent instead of at zero. If you're doing something that is critical to finish, you shouldn't be doing it on a nearly empty battery.

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    40. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Failed internal batteries are a one trick pony too.

    41. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Apple, the shutdowns (and definitely the throttling) are not entirely correlated with how empty or full the battery is. It's also determined by the chemical age of battery and its temperature. If we believe their version, a shutdown could also happen on a semi-full battery if it's cold enough and the device old enough.

    42. Re:It's optional now. by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Terrible analogies.
      I made some better ones for you.

      Are you also annoyed that systems no longer have replaceable RAM?
      Perhaps the replaceable hard drive, I personally missed that one. Granted I don't have any devices that need it, but it was nice.

      There are economic reasons for not having user-replaceable batteries, but equating them with obsolete technology just makes you stupid. Don't be stupid. You're not stupid.

    43. Re:It's optional now. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Well, yes and no. I've been dealing with it on my iPhone 6s ever since iOS 9 was released. It usually happens at 10% or lower. Every now and then, it will fail at fifteen percent or so. I make it a point never to let it get below 50%.

      Yes, in colder temperatures, batteries produce less power, so it could happen at a higher level of charge, but I'd be shocked if it happened on a battery that was more than half full, even at crazy low temperatures.

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    44. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is the setting for this. I can't find it.

    45. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so battery replacements would be free.

      And so Apple puts a popup letting you know that your battery is failing, right? Nope, they just throttle the CPU and trick you into spending another $1000 .

    46. Re: It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is not good enough at case design to make a user openable battery compartment. It is far easier just to make a sealed unit.

    47. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple forces you to replace the battery with them. Because they constantly lie and spread propaganda about third party repairs.

      And ofcource, they never actually tell you that your battery is dying. They instead sneakily just slow down your CPU to trick you into spending another $1000. Oh you didn't know your battery was dying? Well why didn't you check it yourself under a obscure menu setting that we never told you about? Dummy !! You're such a luddite !!

    48. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not have seen any Republican ads this election season. The FUD is so thick you may choke on it.

    49. Re:It's optional now. by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Some people want that, some people don't. There are compromises in either case: a removable battery adds to the volume and weight, and probably makes hitting ip68 a heck of a lot harder (probably a large increase in bulk if you want both a removable battery and ip68). Personally, even having owned some smartphones for up to four years, I've never worn out a battery. For me, personally, I wouldn't get any value out of a removable battery, so I'd rather not make those sacrifices. It's good for people to have options, but do we really need one company to be covering every option and market segment? There are lots of smartphone companies to cater to different needs.

    50. Re:It's optional now. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Or buy a properly designed phone that can run at full speed through the battery's entire lifespan.

      The amount of current that the battery can deliver depends on various factors, such as the size of the cathodes. If you select the right battery it will be able to power the phone even when near the end of its life. That usually requires making the phone 0.2mm thicker, so it's a design choice.

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    51. Re:It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, there are economic reasons: Profit

    52. Re: It's optional now. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Bullshit Liar!

      Prove it, ANONYMOUS ... COWARD, or STFU and FOAD!!!

    53. Re: It's optional now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Curious question:. How do they let you know there's a problem with the battery?

      If apps crash, they do it silently. If there's a problem syncing, it's usually silent.

      Is the warning hidden away so that the average user never sees it?

  2. Expect it to be activated permanently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as soon as apple new phones are released

    1. Re:Expect it to be activated permanently by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Like the 10 XR, XS and XS Max? Whoops, that didn't happen.

      Apple's algorithm was stupid and their UI was uninformative. That's why it was controversial - nobody wants their phone shutting off unexpectedly.

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  3. Transparency by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure what more people could want them to do on this subject.

    What people want is for Apple to be up front and transparent about this sort of "feature". Apple basically hid the fact they were doing this from everyone despite strong suspicions that something like it was happening. This makes it look (true or not) like Apple was up to something shady and/or coersive. Their explanation of trying to save the battery isn't implausible but by hiding the fact they were doing it it looks strongly like they were degrading performance to force upgrade sales. Had Apple been transparent about it from day one it would have been a non-issue.

    1. Re:Transparency by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      What people want is for Apple to be up front and transparent about this sort of "feature". Apple basically hid the fact they were doing this from everyone despite strong suspicions that something like it was happening. This makes it look (true or not) like Apple was up to something shady and/or coersive. Their explanation of trying to save the battery isn't implausible but by hiding the fact they were doing it it looks strongly like they were degrading performance to force upgrade sales. Had Apple been transparent about it from day one it would have been a non-issue.

      Considering it only started with the iPhone 6, suspicions of the slowdowns started way back to the original iPhone. And it's been proven that OS upgrades do not degrade performance - the OS appears slower for various reasons, but not because the OS is intentionally clocking down the CPU in order to force people to upgrade. (In fact, iOS 12 is FASTER than iOS 11. At least apparently since raw benchmarks don't reveal a difference. It just feels snappier on older hardware).

      Now, since iOS 10 or so, Apple did implement the CPU throttling on bad batteries, because the iPhone 6 was having premature shutdown issues. Apple got caught out because someone actually ran geekbench on it before and after a battery replacement. (Which also means the slowdown is not permanent - it only happens if the battery is unable to supply the necessary power. Replacing the battery restores speed.).

      Of course, the alternative is boot looping, something a lot of Android phones like to do (same cause - battery can't supply the power needed to boot, so halfway through, it reboots. Various community fixes generally work by disabling power hungry CPU features, making your phone slower but at least working again).

    2. Re:Transparency by organgtool · · Score: 1

      Don't conflate some boot looping of Android devices with widescale boot looping of iPhones. While boot looping certainly can happen on Android phones, few (if any) Android phone models have had to release new software to throttle the phone down due to an underpowered battery. Instead, many of the Android boot loop issues are due to mechanical issues such as a broken solder joint.

      In Apple's case, the issue started happening, as you mentioned, with the iPhone 6 at about the same time that Apple started really pushing the power of their processors to the limit. The most likely scenario I've heard proposed for this issue is that Apple tested the iPhone 6 with these power-hungry processors and all of their tests had relatively new batteries (because why would you test a new phone with old batteries) but Apple didn't account for the natural reduction in battery capacity over time. Rather than admit this was a design flaw that would require them to replace millions of batteries for free, they reduced the power of the phone via software updates to prevent the power-hungry processor from shutting down the phone. Of course all of this is speculation but the only other rational alternative is that Apple is slowing down their older phones for the sole purpose of making them obsolete. So the two logical choices are incompetence regarding the underpowered battery or being evil and purposely making their phones prematurely obsolete. Neither explanation is particularly flattering.

    3. Re:Transparency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, since iOS 10 or so, Apple did implement the CPU throttling on bad batteries, because the iPhone 6 was having premature shutdown issues. Apple got caught out because someone actually ran geekbench on it before and after a battery replacement. (Which also means the slowdown is not permanent - it only happens if the battery is unable to supply the necessary power. Replacing the battery restores speed.).

      You forgot that around iOS 10.2 (or 10.2.1?), the OS itself ruined the battery of many phones due to its throttling. My iPhone 5s battery went bad with the version, but my 6s didn't get hit because its iOS wasn't updated to that version at the time. Even though they have fixed the issue, it doesn't mean the problem really caused by bad battery but should go further back to when they released the bad version of iOS.

  4. Got to give it to apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when they get caught in lies; they go ALL in with the bullshit.

    1. Re:Got to give it to apple by mark-t · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Which bullshit? That running a degraded battery at full performance can cause an unexpected shutdown?

      Do you have some objective evidence to back up the notion that this is made up, or are you assuming that because they weren't up front about it right away, that this must necessarily be a lie?

      Do you similarly believe it is impossible for a person who may have been caught in a lie to later tell the truth? There may be cause to doubt what they say, but there is no objectively valid reason to conclude that everything that they say is necessarily false before it has even been fact-checked.

      Oh, and their claim is verifiable anyways... so there's that too.

    2. Re:Got to give it to apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Show me all the Android phones that need to degrade performance when they're a year old or they'll spontaneously reboot.

      Go ahead. Show me.

      This is an Apple-only issue, and a BS one at that. Batteries don't magically become incapable of powering a phone just because they're old. Their maximum capacity lessens, but that's about it.

      This is a made-up issue that Apple invented to provide an excuse for why they intentionally slow older phones to force people to upgrade them.

    3. Re:Got to give it to apple by mark-t · · Score: 1

      It's fine to be critical of them for not being transparent about it in the first place, but if they were actually doing this, then slowdown wouldn't generally be tied to the degradation of the battery, but to the device itself.

      Take an older device that has not been used much, and compare it to a newer device that you artificially wear down the battery performance to the same levels through many charge and discharge cycles, and differences in processing speed notwithstanding, you should find virtually identical levels of slowdown. The slowdown is clearly tied to how much the battery has worn out, and their claim that spontaneous shutdowns may happen without being throttled as the battery degrades is not only feasible, but actually verifiable.

      Like most conspiracy theories, yours lacks evidence. The evidence you try and cite begs the question, and doesn't actually prove anything.

    4. Re: Got to give it to apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder where these Android phones get these magical batteries that don't degrade like all other batteries.

    5. Re: Got to give it to apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The battery degrades. The difference is android doesn't shut your fucking phone down and throttle it when it does.

    6. Re:Got to give it to apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also the issue that they probably weren't lying.

      Do you slow down olde phones deliberlty?
      No.
      Then why is my old phone being slowed down?
      Because your old phone also has an old and worn out battery and we do slow down phones with worn-out batteries. We can replace the battary fo...
      LIAR! YOU JUST WANT MORE SALES!!!

    7. Re:Got to give it to apple by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Do you have proof for the accusation they are lying that doesn't presuppose that the fact that however much they may want sales is actually a sufficient incentive for them to do so in regards to this, particularly when the claim is not only feasible, but also verifiable?

      If they were making an unverifiable statement, it might be fair to doubt it, especially given that they weren't up front about it originally, but that's not the case here.

    8. Re: Got to give it to apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes crashing and going into boot loops are a much better option.

    9. Re:Got to give it to apple by DamnOregonian · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have an iPhone X, currently, and a Samsung J7 Prime.
      I've had an iPhone for work, and an Android for personal use since the iPhone 3G, and the HTC G1 (the original).
      So I'm really not a "fan" of either. I use both regularly.

      The random shutdowns on my previous iPhone (6s) were very real, and pretty obviously related to some kind of poor battery handling on the iPhone's part. It randomly shut down at as high as 50% all the time if you did something that you'd imagine was CPU intensive, refused to turn back on until you plug it in, let it charge for 20 seconds, and boom. Starts right up with 60%.

      I can also attest though, that no Android I've owned has ever done this.

      That *also* being said, my Samsung laptop definitely did this when its battery got really bad.

      I do believe they do this to handle their battery issue. I also however believe that it's a problem they've made themselves by either poor battery power statistics (not reporting that battery health at being like 5% when it should be), or poor quality batteries.

    10. Re: Got to give it to apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot. If you ever used an Android phone you would know that battery degradation means less time between charges. JUST THAT. No reboot BS. That's a iPhone thing.

    11. Re:Got to give it to apple by jimbo · · Score: 1

      Happened to my friends LG G4. When the battery only last half a day and the phone starts spontaneously rebooting with an increasing frequency it's time for a new battery yet again.

      I've also seen it happen with an Acer laptop.

      When the battery is old a high power drain can cause sudden failure, it's simply how these batteries work.

    12. Re: Got to give it to apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole point was that they were going this throttling without informing the user of any issue, not that batteries never degrade.

  5. TRUMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He should just get really buff and get tattoos and a tan then he can finally shave that hair off.

    1. Re: TRUMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shave that hair off? It has a carrying case he can put it into. It doesn't need to be shaved off.

  6. Make a case interface by sjbe · · Score: 2

    personally - I'd like them to offer a phone that is maybe a few mills thicker but has swap-able batteries.

    It's not just you but I think there is a better option because some people like the thinner phones and that's just as valid a viewpoint. What I think they should do is make an interface that you can attach a battery case (or other equipment) so that people who want a bigger battery can have it without the bulky kludge of doing a pass through off the lightning/usb port. Think about it for a second. Virtually everyone puts their phone in a case anyway. Why not make it easy for the case to be the mechanism to add hardware features like a bigger battery or a better camera or a headphone jack? Then people can customize the hardware to suit their particular preferences and Apple (or other smartphone makers) don't have to compromise on the core product design. Win/win and it's fairly cheap to do.

  7. Why would you want that? by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    personally - I'd like them to offer a phone that is maybe a few mills thicker but has swap-able batteries.

    I don't see the need - iPhone batteries have really good charging well past two years, and after that it's an hour or two at the Apple Store to swap.

    Giving up anything (lightness/thickness) to avoid something so inconsequential makes no sense to me, especially since any time you open a battery compartment you have a great chance to degrade any kind of waterproof sealing by getting dust or hair in the seal. Isn't waterproofness of most modern phones a way more valuable feature than swappable batteries?

    Especially since if you need a quick charge there are endless kinds of battery packs.

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    1. Re: Why would you want that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawnnnnnnn. More FUD.

      Apple fanboy doesn't know why you want control over your phone. News at 11.

    2. Re:Why would you want that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a true consumer drone.

  8. What I don't like about this feature by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    is it exists to hide the problems with a soldered in battery and Apple's general anti-repair stance. If my $200 LG can have a replaceable battery my kid's $800 iPhone can. But if the battery was easy to replace she'd be less likely to get a new iPhone every 2 years.

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    1. Re:What I don't like about this feature by Arkham · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The battery in modern smartphones isn't soldered in. Not on iPhones, or Android or anything else. Glued maybe, but that's to save size and money, not to prevent people from being able to replace the battery. That's not at all iPhone specific though; every modern Android phone is in the same boat. Neither Samsung, Google, nor any others seem to offer user-replaceable batteries.

      The market has spoken. People prefer thin light phones with bigger batteries over fat heavy ones with short battery lives that they can replace themselves.

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    2. Re:What I don't like about this feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is focused almost entirely on a premium product as a whole.

      Apple are idiots for getting rid of floppy disk drive.
      Apple are idiots for getting rid of 3.5mm port
      Apple are idiots for forcing folks away from big sim cards
      Apple doesn't support new LTE mode Z
      Apple solders in their battery's
      Apple has no SD card slot.

      And yet apple continues to make an absolute killing on the iphone because they are selling something that people want. They are going this way with the ipad too, no headphone jack (I'm bummed, was great for music). But I suspect they will now make a big killing on ipads (already delays in product availability indicate of high demand). Seriously, if 10 expansion ports, user replaceable batteries etc are key to you, get an android.

      "Cradle Fund CEO Nazrin Hassan died a few days ago after one of his two smartphones exploded while charging in his bedroom and the caught fire."

      A reminder that apple is under the microscope on quality. Android - you can easily install a third party battery, it might kill you, but won't make much news. Apple, no chance that doesn't get coverage.

      And oh yes, because of all of the above, apple's products have FAR better battery life than your battery life replaceable android phone. If you look at who actually uses phones for a very long time. Iphone's hold value much much longer. My parents are using ancient idevices and very happy.

    3. Re:What I don't like about this feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I get from your comment is "apple are idiots".

      Which i totally agree with

    4. Re:What I don't like about this feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not what the market says. The market says people prefer status (iphone) over features (removable battery). And that is no shocker there.

    5. Re:What I don't like about this feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because you are an idiot.

    6. Re:What I don't like about this feature by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      I'm happy they helped kill the floppy drive and made USB more ubiquitous.

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    7. Re:What I don't like about this feature by strikethree · · Score: 1

      The market has spoken. People prefer thin light phones with bigger batteries over fat heavy ones with short battery lives that they can replace themselves.

      What makes you think that the market has spoken? Perhaps it is spy agencies that have spoken and they want a battery to always be there so they can signal the microphone or camera to turn on even when the phone is explicitly off?

      For myself, I know of NOBODY who has asked for, or wanted, unremovable batteries.

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    8. Re: What I don't like about this feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iproducts are only 30% marketshare at most. The market speaks against them over and over again, but no big companies want to listen

  9. LYING NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LYING NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR DISHONESTY FOR YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING. Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

  10. Re:A computer you cannot control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >implying Intel ME doesn't exist.
    You don't have any control over any device which does not have open hardware. Might as well get on the ride and enjoy the features.

  11. iPhone 6SE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My iPhone 6SE is fairly new but I can't get security upgrades because I don't want them to slow things down

  12. nour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://awa2lksa.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%aa%d9%86%d8%b8%d9%8a%d9%81-%d8%ba%d8%b1%d8%a8-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%b6/

  13. For a good reason by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Albeit for a good reason.

    Sure, sure. Inflating I-phone sales is a good reason. According to Apple.

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  14. Dude! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most Android phones are the same. And customers not interested in status (android) would have bought phones with replaceable batteries if they wanted to, encouraging android manufacturers to do keep making those phones. But customers didn't. They went to the thin light and bigger but irreplaceable battery phones.

  15. I want the slowdown feature on my Android phone! by xpiotr · · Score: 1

    I am having unexpected shutdowns all the time, with "40% battery left".
    Would really appreciate a sligtly slower phone for better reliability.

  16. Re:I want the slowdown feature on my Android phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But you should not have this problem with an iPhone.

    The solution is NOT throttling your expensive premium iphone, the solution is better quality batteries.

    Apple removed ports, because it made them more profit. Higher Priced iphone, less parts, more profit.

    Apple uses poor batteries, but the hidden throttling helped keep the phones running.

    I've had more then a few Android phones from many different makes, but NEVER had a phone behave badly because of a battery. Some of those batteries were 2-3 years old, the phone ran fine, didn't shutdown, with only a slight drop in battery life.

    Apple is using poor low capacity batteries in their expensive iPhones. Throttling is just the symptom.

                  TOM...

  17. Re: I want the slowdown feature on my Android phon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most Android phones have a battery saving features that you can either emailed manually or have it trigger on certain conditions. This will do exactly the same thing, except it's under your control

    I've had that feature on my Galaxy s5, and that was like 4 years ago.