All you have to do is just automatically accept everything the party tells you, no matter how outlandish or untrue. No thinking is required -- just listen to the rhetoric and let your blood boil about 'them'
And most Republicans spend much more time examining the facts?
Look, Democrats dislike Bush, but you simply cannot compare it to the unabashed, vitriolic, mindless HATRED republicans had for Clinton. I mean, I can't count the number of times he was basically acused in public of high treason against the nation, with little or no factual basis to back it up.
Yet Democrats say "Hmm, Bush doesn't seem that bright" and all of a sudden THEY are the ones blinded by unthinking party loyalty? Please. Maybe he really just isn't that bright -- it's no crime. And it certainly doesn't indicate hatred so much as a lack of respect.
Both party members play the same game, you have no high horse to ride on...
And try defying either. A business is likely to merely be annoyed if you ignore its ads and don't buy its products. A government is likely to eventually send heavily armed people after you if you ignore ITS dictats.
See: Company Town; Unionization; 20th Century History
People who love ubiquitous corporations are all under the age of 75, and have never bothered to learn history or what companies can and have done to people for such crimes as "not working for us" and "not buying our products".
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I travel a lot and find it handy to have the Palm because I can load video games and electronic texts on it. Easiest way to carry a few books worth of short stories to read on the plane, without taking up any space or weight...
I have a 21" Viewsonic P815, and while it looks wonderful (and great for a small apartment), it isn't as nice for watching movies as a 27" (or bigger) decent TV.
The VVega is an unusually sharp TV, which is why I can stand to look at it (plus the flat screen is resistant to glare like the Viewsonic). A $300 TV doesn't look as good as a 21" flat screen monitor, no, but it also costs about $700 less...
Kind of a double-standard here? It's okay if the site in question just bitches about a company, but not if they make money?
No double-standard, its called free speech.
Trademarks can't be infringed upon for commercial use (which is what AIMster is doing) -- that's the whole pointof a trademark -- to keep your MARK in TRADE distinct from others' use of marks in trade. To prevent commercial confusion.
Using a trademark to offer criticism (as in Burger King saying "McDonald's hamburgers have 50% less beef") is perfectly legit.
Saying "fuck General Motors" is a grayer area, because by itself it isn't offering much criticism (although it could be equally argued that it doesn't run much risk of confusing consumers, either -- who would think GM would sell products under that slogan?)
Hmm, I haven't had that problem (thankfully). Are you passing straight Computer->TV? with no VCR in the middle? Because that SHOULD work (although we all know that with hacks like Macrovision, it screws up as much as it works -- I've seen plenty of legit setups that didn't work, none of which involved computer video)...
I'm only doing the DVD audio out through the digital -- unfortunately the docs say to do TV out through another sound card you have to do the loopthrough of TV card out->audio in.
Given the quality of broadcast TV audio, I can't say i'd be overly concerned about the degradation by not doing an all-digital transfer, but it's just less convenient so i just do all the TV (non-DVD/DivX) stuff through the TV itself...
Of course, it's hooked up to a sony VVega flat-screen TV, not a 15" monitor, so that may have something to do with it.
Considering we have an "Ask Slashdot" about once a week on the topic of a PC as home entertainment center, you'd think more people were doing it.
Get a PC with S-Video out TV Card (ATI All-in-windoer Radeon), digital audio out (TOSLINK on an old Aureal Vortex2) to Dolby Digital decoder/amp, and PC Remote Control software and a programmable remote.
If someone could come out with decent TIVO *software* I'd be thrilled, it would be the only thing I'm missing...
You and the guy above have completely opposing arguments, how can you both be insightful. One of you has to be wrong
What does being insightful have to do with right and wrong?
Ayn Rand and Karl Marx were both insightful about a great many things (and diametrically opposed to each other). Neither is 100% correct, but they both bring insight to the discussion of economics and the relation to society...
given the extraordinary us-centrism demonstrated by most usians, you could expect a comment modded up to +5 if it explained that new zealand was not AUSTRIA
Oh, come one -- this isn't flamebait, it's freakin' hilarious!
What I find shocking/funny is that someone pointing out that New Zealand and Australia are two different countries is considered +5 insightful! (and that its necessary at all!)
I guess now its "News for Nerds, and Computer Folks Who Never Looked at a Globe".
Next up: Georgia! It's both a state AND a country!
Veal, the Southern Building Code Congress attorney, noted that three years ago the Office of Management and Budget directed all federal agencies to incorporate privately developed regulations "whenever practicable and appropriate" to cut the government's cost of developing its own standards.
"The people who are involved in this case, on both sides, I think are people who are strongly interested in what's for the public good," Veal said.
"It's just a matter of different people having different ideas of how the public should be served."
Their lawyer's final statement seemed oddly familiar.
I'd say one of the biggest changes we probably don't think about is our awareness of ecology. Even the most conservative pro-business modern person would find it difficult to offhandedly suggest:
Before it has a chance to gather much strength and speed as it travels westward toward Florida, oil is spread over the sea and ignited
You can't get the car for less money if you don't want the stereo
Yes, you can.
I don't know why everyone uses this analogy -- I guess most people never try to buy cars without stereos, but there's certainly nothing wrong with it, and if the dealer knows you you'll go to the guy down the street to get it for less without the stereo, he'll give you the price break or lose your business.
The point isn't about the stereo, or the stereo's quality or price -- its about the fact that no car manufacturer requires (or could legally require), as a condition of sale, that the dealer only sell you a factory-installed stereo.
In fact, many dealers have (very) profitable stereo shops as part of the dealership and will replace the manufacturer unit with a superior aftermarket unit. The manufacturers have no problem with this, because it is a great way to keep dealers happy and profitable selling their goods without any extra expense on behalf of the manufacturer.
The point is, they leave the choice to the dealer, because their goal is to sell cars, not control your driving experience.
Microsoft does not, they dictate to the OEMs what they may and may not sell to customers.
Imagine if your car dealer could sell you an upgraded stereo system, but they had to put it in the trunk because only the manufacturer unit was allowed to be placed in-dash. Furthermore, the in-dash unit would occassionally turn on and override the aftermarket unit. Regardless of the quality of aftermarket units, would this make for a pleasant driving experience? Would this damage the market for even superior aftermarket units?
I thought MS Bookshelf has only been out for the past three or so years
MS Bookshelf was one of the first "shovelware" CD apps out there. Back when buying a single-speed CD-rom (with controller card!) for $900 was a good deal...
Unless you want to use a network card, SCSI card, IDE controller, sound card, CD or DVD drive, floppy drive, internal hard drive, external hard drive, modem, external FPU, RAM, or that light on the front of the case that tells you when you're accessing the hard drive (that isn't supported anyway).
Sounds like Linux -- except for the $279 price tag!
(please note: this is not flamebait, this is humor (and a little truth, admit it!))
Hate to say it, but your art teacher was full of crapola. If the creator of a work didn't place a meaning or reference in their creation, then it isn't there, period
That's why i was specifically speaking as an artist, not as a viewer. It's not at all uncommon to look at a piece I did years ago and see things that i put in them without realizing consciously at the time I had done so. I don't know any writers or artists who don't have similar experiences with their own works.
There's just too much going in to be aware of it all -- that;s part of why even the most talented creator needs experience, because you have to be able to do a lot of it without thinking, so you can focus on the things you need to consciously.
Oh, you're absolutely 100% right that Kubrick filled his movies with symbols. He was very concerned about having non-literal meaning in his work.
What i was trying to say was that while, yes, absolutely, artists use symbols and allegory (both consciously and unconsciously) in their work, its not ridiculously vague and disassociated the way the bathroom tile thing would be. Or the anagrams. Unless it's a pattern with that particular artist, I wouldn't buy an anagram. And there would be far more effective ways to call forth the image of a bathroom than through the shape of tiles in a certain demographics' homes at a certain time. To an artist, such a solution would be inelegant because it wouldn't trigger any subconscious response in the audience -- you can make people think of hell and the devil without being direct, but to think of a bathroom, you need more than the shape of a single tile. A PATTERN of tiles might do it -- and that would be interesting as a device, to make HAL vaguely resemble a bathroom wall. It would be something the audience would never quite put their finger on, but would bring out the idea.
But, as a rule, few artists would be so vague unless it was a private joke (and private jokes are usually the first "hidden" things to ever get found!):P
As an artist, I hate to admit that my high school english teacher was right -- there are often meanings hidden in works that even the creator didn't realize were there.
Its not at all unusual for another artist to look at some work and point out something to me that, once it is said out load, is obvious I put in there subconciously/unconsciously.
Once you've been doing it long enough, every writer and artist is doing half of their work without conscious thought -- its only afterwards that they realize they were subconsciously running a parallel to the Iliad or the Bible (at which point they will usually go through and clean up the references or eliminate them).
That said, its usually easy to tell what is REALLY there vs being coincidental.
For example, Mark twain, despite his protestations to the contrary, clearly wrote with meaning, and had social allegory and commentary, it was never simply "a tale".
I find anagrams HIGHLY unlikely to be meaningful unless the author is in the habit of doing them, as most writers pick names from people they know or from historical/literary sources. If you showed me that EVERY name in a story had an anagram, and that as a group the anagrams were meaningful, I'd buy it. One or two out of many characters? coincidence, especially when it comes up with something dorky like "no meat".
Show me another story by Clark or Kubrick with many meaningful anagrams and I'd be willing to believe they were hiding them here.
As for the hexagonal tile, geez, don't get me started. I don't know how much this Harvard guy has ever done creatively, but there are about a million hexagonal symbols that would be pulled up before bathroom tiles. If Kubrick had a meaningful story in his life with a bathroom tile, maybe I'd buy it, but without that evidence, I'd be much more likely to attribute the shape to a carbon atom (foundation of life!) or a honeycomb (bees) -- a hive mind, nature's workers, collectively peaceful and necessary for life, but with a surprising sting when riled! That's a lot closer to HAL in the story then a third-generation bathroom metaphor.
Geodesic domes are based on hexagons, and are usually the basis of sci-fi colony designs. The shape itself seems very "sci-fi" just because of this history, so maybe that's the only association. Compare that to round shapes (as the head of the Discovery), which are associated with Russian spacecraft. having both shapes might just be a visual way of showing the ship comes from more than one design sensibility, a collaboration between nations.
But I'd want to see something to indicate Kubrick was involved in that production design decision to even worry about meaning behind the arrangement of engines.
technology is going to change so much in the next 20 years that we can't begin to imagine what we will and won't be able to do
Yeah, I mean look at the huge changes in aircraft technology between 1980 and 2000!
Back then, we all flew in things called "jet airplanes", some of which were made by outdated companies with names like "Boeing" and "McDonnell-Douglas". Way back then, models such as the exotic "747", "737" and "DC-10" were routinely used for passenger transport, although they had no idea how primitive such technology would look to their descendants.
Fortunately we can look back on their technological hubris and know that here, in the far future, we have developed much safer, cleaner, more efficient, and faster craft that put such archaeological curiosities to shame...
I wonder, how long until AOL and Sony get together, and develop the Playstation 2 America Online edition? You can play all your games, get on AOL, maybe it'll even come with a docking station for your Palm pilot. This could be a REAL war -- a company/group that can really stand toe-to-toe with MS in terms of name recognition and brand loyalty.
MS has made a situation where "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" sounds like a viable solution to pretty much every other company on Earth.
How long until Roadrunner installation is free, with a free Playstation 2 (AOL edition), with just the $60/month AOL fee to pay? make it $100/month, and get 20 "free" game/DVD rentals a month from Blockbuster...
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All you have to do is just automatically accept everything the party tells you, no matter how outlandish or untrue. No thinking is required -- just listen to the rhetoric and let your blood boil about 'them'
And most Republicans spend much more time examining the facts?
Look, Democrats dislike Bush, but you simply cannot compare it to the unabashed, vitriolic, mindless HATRED republicans had for Clinton. I mean, I can't count the number of times he was basically acused in public of high treason against the nation, with little or no factual basis to back it up.
Yet Democrats say "Hmm, Bush doesn't seem that bright" and all of a sudden THEY are the ones blinded by unthinking party loyalty? Please. Maybe he really just isn't that bright -- it's no crime. And it certainly doesn't indicate hatred so much as a lack of respect.
Both party members play the same game, you have no high horse to ride on...
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And try defying either. A business is likely to merely be annoyed if you ignore its ads and don't buy its products. A government is likely to eventually send heavily armed people after you if you ignore ITS dictats.
See: Company Town; Unionization; 20th Century History
People who love ubiquitous corporations are all under the age of 75, and have never bothered to learn history or what companies can and have done to people for such crimes as "not working for us" and "not buying our products".
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I travel a lot and find it handy to have the Palm because I can load video games and electronic texts on it. Easiest way to carry a few books worth of short stories to read on the plane, without taking up any space or weight...
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I have a 21" Viewsonic P815, and while it looks wonderful (and great for a small apartment), it isn't as nice for watching movies as a 27" (or bigger) decent TV.
The VVega is an unusually sharp TV, which is why I can stand to look at it (plus the flat screen is resistant to glare like the Viewsonic). A $300 TV doesn't look as good as a 21" flat screen monitor, no, but it also costs about $700 less...
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Kind of a double-standard here? It's okay if the site in question just bitches about a company, but not if they make money?
No double-standard, its called free speech.
Trademarks can't be infringed upon for commercial use (which is what AIMster is doing) -- that's the whole pointof a trademark -- to keep your MARK in TRADE distinct from others' use of marks in trade. To prevent commercial confusion.
Using a trademark to offer criticism (as in Burger King saying "McDonald's hamburgers have 50% less beef") is perfectly legit.
Saying "fuck General Motors" is a grayer area, because by itself it isn't offering much criticism (although it could be equally argued that it doesn't run much risk of confusing consumers, either -- who would think GM would sell products under that slogan?)
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Hmm, I haven't had that problem (thankfully). Are you passing straight Computer->TV? with no VCR in the middle? Because that SHOULD work (although we all know that with hacks like Macrovision, it screws up as much as it works -- I've seen plenty of legit setups that didn't work, none of which involved computer video)...
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I'm only doing the DVD audio out through the digital -- unfortunately the docs say to do TV out through another sound card you have to do the loopthrough of TV card out->audio in.
Given the quality of broadcast TV audio, I can't say i'd be overly concerned about the degradation by not doing an all-digital transfer, but it's just less convenient so i just do all the TV (non-DVD/DivX) stuff through the TV itself...
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I love watching video on my PC.
Of course, it's hooked up to a sony VVega flat-screen TV, not a 15" monitor, so that may have something to do with it.
Considering we have an "Ask Slashdot" about once a week on the topic of a PC as home entertainment center, you'd think more people were doing it.
Get a PC with S-Video out TV Card (ATI All-in-windoer Radeon), digital audio out (TOSLINK on an old Aureal Vortex2) to Dolby Digital decoder/amp, and PC Remote Control software and a programmable remote.
If someone could come out with decent TIVO *software* I'd be thrilled, it would be the only thing I'm missing...
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You and the guy above have completely opposing arguments, how can you both be insightful. One of you has to be wrong
What does being insightful have to do with right and wrong?
Ayn Rand and Karl Marx were both insightful about a great many things (and diametrically opposed to each other). Neither is 100% correct, but they both bring insight to the discussion of economics and the relation to society...
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given the extraordinary us-centrism demonstrated by most usians, you could expect a comment modded up to +5 if it explained that new zealand was not AUSTRIA
Oh, come one -- this isn't flamebait, it's freakin' hilarious!
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What I find shocking/funny is that someone pointing out that New Zealand and Australia are two different countries is considered +5 insightful! (and that its necessary at all!)
I guess now its "News for Nerds, and Computer Folks Who Never Looked at a Globe".
Next up: Georgia! It's both a state AND a country!
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Geez, I should get a consulting fee or something at least.
Slashdot -- News for Nerds, Business Plans for Corporations.
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Veal, the Southern Building Code Congress attorney, noted that three years ago the Office of Management and Budget directed all federal agencies to incorporate privately developed regulations "whenever practicable and appropriate" to cut the government's cost of developing its own standards.
"The people who are involved in this case, on both sides, I think are people who are strongly interested in what's for the public good," Veal said.
"It's just a matter of different people having different ideas of how the public should be served."
Their lawyer's final statement seemed oddly familiar.
Then I remembered -- "To Serve Man".
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I'd say one of the biggest changes we probably don't think about is our awareness of ecology. Even the most conservative pro-business modern person would find it difficult to offhandedly suggest:
Before it has a chance to gather much strength and speed as it travels westward toward Florida, oil is spread over the sea and ignited
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Closing Arguments
Closing argments? Where were the opening arguments? What was the question?
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You can't get the car for less money if you don't want the stereo
Yes, you can.
I don't know why everyone uses this analogy -- I guess most people never try to buy cars without stereos, but there's certainly nothing wrong with it, and if the dealer knows you you'll go to the guy down the street to get it for less without the stereo, he'll give you the price break or lose your business.
The point isn't about the stereo, or the stereo's quality or price -- its about the fact that no car manufacturer requires (or could legally require), as a condition of sale, that the dealer only sell you a factory-installed stereo.
In fact, many dealers have (very) profitable stereo shops as part of the dealership and will replace the manufacturer unit with a superior aftermarket unit. The manufacturers have no problem with this, because it is a great way to keep dealers happy and profitable selling their goods without any extra expense on behalf of the manufacturer.
The point is, they leave the choice to the dealer, because their goal is to sell cars, not control your driving experience.
Microsoft does not, they dictate to the OEMs what they may and may not sell to customers.
Imagine if your car dealer could sell you an upgraded stereo system, but they had to put it in the trunk because only the manufacturer unit was allowed to be placed in-dash. Furthermore, the in-dash unit would occassionally turn on and override the aftermarket unit. Regardless of the quality of aftermarket units, would this make for a pleasant driving experience? Would this damage the market for even superior aftermarket units?
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Seeing as how (bizarrely enough) slashdot seems to have slashdotted itself, the actual code can be had on sourceforge: here
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I thought MS Bookshelf has only been out for the past three or so years
MS Bookshelf was one of the first "shovelware" CD apps out there. Back when buying a single-speed CD-rom (with controller card!) for $900 was a good deal...
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would be enough to change a hit to a near-miss
Well that doesn't sound so great -- why would we spend all that time and effort just to have it NEARLY miss us?
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Unless you want to use a network card, SCSI card, IDE controller, sound card, CD or DVD drive, floppy drive, internal hard drive, external hard drive, modem, external FPU, RAM, or that light on the front of the case that tells you when you're accessing the hard drive (that isn't supported anyway).
Sounds like Linux -- except for the $279 price tag!
(please note: this is not flamebait, this is humor (and a little truth, admit it!))
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Hate to say it, but your art teacher was full of crapola. If the creator of a work didn't place a meaning or reference in their creation, then it isn't there, period
That's why i was specifically speaking as an artist, not as a viewer. It's not at all uncommon to look at a piece I did years ago and see things that i put in them without realizing consciously at the time I had done so. I don't know any writers or artists who don't have similar experiences with their own works.
There's just too much going in to be aware of it all -- that;s part of why even the most talented creator needs experience, because you have to be able to do a lot of it without thinking, so you can focus on the things you need to consciously.
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Oh, you're absolutely 100% right that Kubrick filled his movies with symbols. He was very concerned about having non-literal meaning in his work.
:P
What i was trying to say was that while, yes, absolutely, artists use symbols and allegory (both consciously and unconsciously) in their work, its not ridiculously vague and disassociated the way the bathroom tile thing would be. Or the anagrams. Unless it's a pattern with that particular artist, I wouldn't buy an anagram. And there would be far more effective ways to call forth the image of a bathroom than through the shape of tiles in a certain demographics' homes at a certain time. To an artist, such a solution would be inelegant because it wouldn't trigger any subconscious response in the audience -- you can make people think of hell and the devil without being direct, but to think of a bathroom, you need more than the shape of a single tile. A PATTERN of tiles might do it -- and that would be interesting as a device, to make HAL vaguely resemble a bathroom wall. It would be something the audience would never quite put their finger on, but would bring out the idea.
But, as a rule, few artists would be so vague unless it was a private joke (and private jokes are usually the first "hidden" things to ever get found!)
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As an artist, I hate to admit that my high school english teacher was right -- there are often meanings hidden in works that even the creator didn't realize were there.
Its not at all unusual for another artist to look at some work and point out something to me that, once it is said out load, is obvious I put in there subconciously/unconsciously.
Once you've been doing it long enough, every writer and artist is doing half of their work without conscious thought -- its only afterwards that they realize they were subconsciously running a parallel to the Iliad or the Bible (at which point they will usually go through and clean up the references or eliminate them).
That said, its usually easy to tell what is REALLY there vs being coincidental.
For example, Mark twain, despite his protestations to the contrary, clearly wrote with meaning, and had social allegory and commentary, it was never simply "a tale".
I find anagrams HIGHLY unlikely to be meaningful unless the author is in the habit of doing them, as most writers pick names from people they know or from historical/literary sources. If you showed me that EVERY name in a story had an anagram, and that as a group the anagrams were meaningful, I'd buy it. One or two out of many characters? coincidence, especially when it comes up with something dorky like "no meat".
Show me another story by Clark or Kubrick with many meaningful anagrams and I'd be willing to believe they were hiding them here.
As for the hexagonal tile, geez, don't get me started. I don't know how much this Harvard guy has ever done creatively, but there are about a million hexagonal symbols that would be pulled up before bathroom tiles. If Kubrick had a meaningful story in his life with a bathroom tile, maybe I'd buy it, but without that evidence, I'd be much more likely to attribute the shape to a carbon atom (foundation of life!) or a honeycomb (bees) -- a hive mind, nature's workers, collectively peaceful and necessary for life, but with a surprising sting when riled! That's a lot closer to HAL in the story then a third-generation bathroom metaphor.
Geodesic domes are based on hexagons, and are usually the basis of sci-fi colony designs. The shape itself seems very "sci-fi" just because of this history, so maybe that's the only association. Compare that to round shapes (as the head of the Discovery), which are associated with Russian spacecraft. having both shapes might just be a visual way of showing the ship comes from more than one design sensibility, a collaboration between nations.
But I'd want to see something to indicate Kubrick was involved in that production design decision to even worry about meaning behind the arrangement of engines.
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technology is going to change so much in the next 20 years that we can't begin to imagine what we will and won't be able to do
Yeah, I mean look at the huge changes in aircraft technology between 1980 and 2000!
Back then, we all flew in things called "jet airplanes", some of which were made by outdated companies with names like "Boeing" and "McDonnell-Douglas". Way back then, models such as the exotic "747", "737" and "DC-10" were routinely used for passenger transport, although they had no idea how primitive such technology would look to their descendants.
Fortunately we can look back on their technological hubris and know that here, in the far future, we have developed much safer, cleaner, more efficient, and faster craft that put such archaeological curiosities to shame...
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I wonder, how long until AOL and Sony get together, and develop the Playstation 2 America Online edition? You can play all your games, get on AOL, maybe it'll even come with a docking station for your Palm pilot. This could be a REAL war -- a company/group that can really stand toe-to-toe with MS in terms of name recognition and brand loyalty.
MS has made a situation where "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" sounds like a viable solution to pretty much every other company on Earth.
How long until Roadrunner installation is free, with a free Playstation 2 (AOL edition), with just the $60/month AOL fee to pay? make it $100/month, and get 20 "free" game/DVD rentals a month from Blockbuster...
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