I won't discuss if he is a _very_ clever young person, or the result of lowered standards. Anyway, I think the western world do have to rethink one thing. We look at yung people as animals of the spieces child. Not as small humans. The _only_ difference is that the average child has not experienced as much as has an adult. But do note that there are exceptions. We have to rethink how we treat our jounger population. Just a nightmare example of today is the school and all horor that clever children has to experience there (See previous articles here at/.).
We allready partly have such a situation. But, hey,/. exists! As some other commentor said - there will allways be places for people like you and me. At my hich-school, some all of the girls chatted. Some of the discovered IRC and moved away from the web chats. When the school blocked the chat-site's IP# in order to enable people to use the computers for more important things, those using IRC was unaffected. Let them regulate. Let them turn it into another TV. But as lonmg as it's IP underneath, we'l allways be able to create our own distributed BBS protocol. The geeks and nerds will allways survive, since they move first, so no one is to catch them.
There are, from what I know, a lots of BBSes out there, connected to the Internet in some way or another (Telnet is the most common, I think, but specialized clients do exist). But theeir existenses are held secret, since if they grow, they will be destroyd (The citizens of a large city are much more alien to each other than those of a small town). An example is a client-server BBS-like system that was developed at my University - LysKOM. This system is up and running at many sites, and at our we are a few thousend users, divided up in disjunct "meetings". In most meetings there are just a few hundreds of members. I don't think that those types of systems will ever die, but they are not intended for a broader public, and will hide, just as they hide before when computers wheren't common Joe toys... They won't die since they are needed. People need to form small societies. They'l just never be connected to things like/..
Yes, there is no pint in encryption, but since the accounts here aren't that secure (Do I need to say http), wouldn't it be a good point in signing the posts? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Gnome PGP version 0.4
..but how can possibly an encryption protect against copying? Copying, from what I know, works on a bit-to-bit level, and doesn't care about encryption - the copied version will be as encrypted and as original as the original. So this is just to screw it up for people wanting to implement a software player!
What's so negative about an API being turing complete? Ok, it will be impossible to prove some sets of API calls, but that's the same problem as with computers in general... I think it's an advantage - generally you don't use all of the nifty features, but some day, you realize you need them! And I still can not understund why there is not some basic (on the same level as tcp/udp) network protocol that implements scripting (Send this to foo, and her answer to bar, and his answer to me)!
I don't know american law, but in sweden, copyright law requeres that "the work" should contain at some "personal touch", i.e a mathematical formula, at least one that is not the result of the work of the prof. may never be under copyright of the prof. But the colours used, the formatting etc. is of course copyrighted.
>The problem is who determines what is whose ability and need?
That is exactly why the OpenSource "version" of communism works - because it's not some government who decides what's the persons abilities and requerements, but the person herself.
This works due to that everyone _can_ get everything they want (A copy of every existing program), without restricting what somebody else can get. That is too the reason physical communism doesn't work today - everyone's greed and the lack of endless resources. Knowing that, they creates a government to restrict the results of everyone's greed, and we'r there...
Cuba would be a good nail-in-they-eye for the US governement and big companies. In addition, Cuba has no reason for helping the US with anything. That the US wants something is reason enought for cuba not to give it... (The US is the same, only in reverse...). But I don't know about the IP laws of Cuba. Perheaps everything is Public Domain there:)
Tried VNC yet? You start the VNC server at some server machine. In one end, it acts like an X server, and you start your normal clients with the DISPLAY set to it. Then you connect to the other end with a VNC client. If the client dies, or is closed, the VNC server does _not_ die. When you reconnect (possibly later on, or from another client machine), your X client programs are still running.
There are UNIX and Windows VNC servers. There are VNC clients for * Any Java enabled web browser (Java Applet) * UNIX (X Windowing System) * Windows * PalmPilot (And yes, you have to scroll a lot using that small screen)
Sorry for forgetting Pascal/Delphi. I really thought it was on my list...
With assembler I meant the assembly language of any architecture; i.e. low level languages. And I am very aware of that that language differs quite much between RISC and SISC architectures, end event between two RISC or SISC architectures...
First of all, everyone is suggesting his/her own special language. That's OK, but we need to cut the list down a bit. Perheaps group similar languages into one option.
Yes, BASIC is a bit different from VB; especially if you mean ABC Basic or COMMODORE BASIC...
But we can not have a poll with one hundred options. Or perheaps we can, Rob?
If we are going to have a short list, I suggest joining languages with the same programming paradigm/sub paradigm. Such a list may perheaps look something like this (Please don't kill me, just comment on it, if you feel something is _very_ wrong):
1) Low level (The machine language of your favourite machine, C)
2) Ada descendant (Ada, Pascal, etc. To be really evil, I place BASIC here too, even though it does not belong here...)
6) Stack oriented languages (PostScript (Yes it is a programming language, or at least it is Turing Complete...), Forth)
7) Other
And this list is anyhow too long...
Second, I realize that there is no reason for this poll; each of these language categories has its application area. The important thing is which language inside each group you select, not which group, because that depends more on what you are going to write than on your personal preferences.
There is one. For Cars. There are basicly two reasons. CDs are big. A drive for them is not likly to fit in your pocket. Secondly, a CD is even more affective by mecvhanical forces than a hard drive. Not that it will breake; there is no read head floating over the CD on air that can crash into it. But a very small chock, just like those you get from jogging, may still move the CD enough to bring the laser off-track. This is reasonable while working with non-compressed data; the gap in the sound will not be that long. But with compressed data, the size of the gap is also "decompressed", enlarged.
Oh, and there may of course be other reasons that I've overlooked, too...
I have basicly two sub-modes to my hack-mode; the speed-of-light-feeling, and the sensitive, romantic mode. In the first mode (Mostly when I've got some really crazy hack idea and is just realizing how really coool and sick it is), I like to listen to NIN, DM, Spock and some strange under-ground synth, trance and techno. In the latter one (mostly when I'm debugging some strange, randomly appearing bug), I like to listen to Vivaldi and other classic music.
Do anyone else has this two-part divided hack-mode?
And besides this, I of course do listen to other things too, but not when I'm coding...
I don't care about what OS it is running, but i really need a ssh-client for it, and a ppp2tp adapter, so I can plug it in here and tnere where there is a network, and ssh home! By the way, are ther any good source of GPLed software for the Pilot? OK, gcc exists as a cross-compiler for it, but are there any GPLed end-user apps?
In some way, he has to messure the quality of life, or in fact, a future possible life. Where is the line? When does a life become unworthy to live?
One possible messure is how good an individual is for man kind. That was what the nazists tried to do in germany...
Another possible messure is pain. But could he, or anyone else, except the baby, who could possibly not answer the question, certainly messure if the pain is to high to make the life worthy of living?
Yet another messure would be the problems for the parents. So if you cause me problems, I'l kill you. SOunds to me like just any murderer reasoning....
It's all a question of what an individual (animal or human, that is) messures highest; life or the lack of pain. Is a painfull life a real life? I would say so. But that stands for myself. Everybody hast to decide for his/her own. And the child can not tell us what it wants. Therefore, just to let the child answer the question for itself later on: Do not let lazy parents kill their "bothersome" children.
And a cynical point to Swifts sarcastic story: Thta would be impossible today, while humans are the highest animal in the foodchain (mostly, but vegeterians do not suffer from this), and are therefore filled with heavy mettals and other environmental poisons.
I have an idea for a new system config and package system for Linux. here it comes:
Fisrt, create a filsystem that mounts any allready mounted directory structure (or sub-structure) to a new position in the file tree (So that the mounted tree exists twice). This is equal to what a sym-link does, nearly. Then add that you are able to mount several directories to one mount-point, and that all files and directories of the first mount, and those of all subsequent mounts, are merged together. Let everyone be able to mount any directory he/she has at least read permission in, at any mount point, to which he/she has write permission.
Now, let every program reside in its own directory (In/usr/prg/program-name, for instance), with one sub-directory for binaries, one for libs, one for man pages and so on, and mount all the bin-subdirectories, of all programs, onto/usr/bin, all man-dubdirectories under/usr/man, and so on.
This way, if you want to install a binary program, just unpack the tarball in/usr/prg/prg-name, run./mount.sh that mounts all that is nessesary, and instructs the system to remount it after any reboot. If you want to uninstall, just remove the directory (The system may automatically unmount and remove from any remount-at-boot-list when the directory is erased). If you want to copy a program to another computer - just copy the directory.
Perheaps a bit strange method, but it will certainly easy things up a bit.
Note: This is, although I've never used an Amiga, somewhat Amiga inspired. I've been told that Amiga used one folder for each program, and mounted them all as different device-names.
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I won't discuss if he is a _very_ clever young person, or the result of lowered standards. Anyway, I think the western world do have to rethink one thing. We look at yung people as animals of the spieces child. Not as small humans. The _only_ difference is that the average child has not experienced as much as has an adult. But do note that there are exceptions. We have to rethink how we treat our jounger population. Just a nightmare example of today is the school and all horor that clever children has to experience there (See previous articles here at /.).
Wouldn't it be a really good idea to tell the religious right about that? Perheaps there'l finnaly come something good out of them after all!
We allready partly have such a situation. But, hey, /. exists! As some other commentor said - there will allways be places for people like you and me.
At my hich-school, some all of the girls chatted. Some of the discovered IRC and moved away from the web chats. When the school blocked the chat-site's IP# in order to enable people to use the computers for more important things, those using IRC was unaffected.
Let them regulate. Let them turn it into another TV. But as lonmg as it's IP underneath, we'l allways be able to create our own distributed BBS protocol. The geeks and nerds will allways survive, since they move first, so no one is to catch them.
There are, from what I know, a lots of BBSes out there, connected to the Internet in some way or another (Telnet is the most common, I think, but specialized clients do exist). But theeir existenses are held secret, since if they grow, they will be destroyd (The citizens of a large city are much more alien to each other than those of a small town). /..
An example is a client-server BBS-like system that was developed at my University - LysKOM. This system is up and running at many sites, and at our we are a few thousend users, divided up in disjunct "meetings". In most meetings there are just a few hundreds of members.
I don't think that those types of systems will ever die, but they are not intended for a broader public, and will hide, just as they hide before when computers wheren't common Joe toys... They won't die since they are needed. People need to form small societies.
They'l just never be connected to things like
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Yes, there is no pint in encryption, but since the accounts here aren't that secure (Do I need to say http), wouldn't it be a good point in signing the posts?
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Encoding mpeg (Sound and Video)? I would like a system that is able to encode mpeg video in real-time! But I think IGHz still isn't enought for that?
..but how can possibly an encryption protect against copying? Copying, from what I know, works on a bit-to-bit level, and doesn't care about encryption - the copied version will be as encrypted and as original as the original. So this is just to screw it up for people wanting to implement a software player!
What's so negative about an API being turing complete? Ok, it will be impossible to prove some sets of API calls, but that's the same problem as with computers in general... I think it's an advantage - generally you don't use all of the nifty features, but some day, you realize you need them! And I still can not understund why there is not some basic (on the same level as tcp/udp) network protocol that implements scripting (Send this to foo, and her answer to bar, and his answer to me)!
I don't know american law, but in sweden, copyright law requeres that "the work" should contain at some "personal touch", i.e a mathematical formula, at least one that is not the result of the work of the prof. may never be under copyright of the prof. But the colours used, the formatting etc. is of course copyrighted.
>The problem is who determines what is whose ability and need?
That is exactly why the OpenSource "version" of communism works - because it's not some government who decides what's the persons abilities and requerements, but the person herself.
This works due to that everyone _can_ get everything they want (A copy of every existing program), without restricting what somebody else can get. That is too the reason physical communism doesn't work today - everyone's greed and the lack of endless resources. Knowing that, they creates a government to restrict the results of everyone's greed, and we'r there...
Cuba would be a good nail-in-they-eye for the US governement and big companies. In addition, Cuba has no reason for helping the US with anything. That the US wants something is reason enought for cuba not to give it... (The US is the same, only in reverse...). But I don't know about the IP laws of Cuba. Perheaps everything is Public Domain there :)
This is the first predator robot of the world. Where did the robot laws not to harm anyone go?
The End is near.
Can't you eat your beef yourselves? Or not at all? /Vegeterian
Oh yes it is, though, _Common_ LISP does provide imperative structures. But Common LISP is just a big cludge. It's not even a one-cell-LISP.
I rather have a real, old good X terminal instaed. And I do have one... But it's unfourtunately black and white only...
Tried VNC yet? You start the VNC server at some server machine. In one end, it acts like an X server, and you start your normal clients with the DISPLAY set to it. Then you connect to the other end with a VNC client. If the client dies, or is closed, the VNC server does _not_ die. When you reconnect (possibly later on, or from another client machine), your X client programs are still running.
There are UNIX and Windows VNC servers.
There are VNC clients for
* Any Java enabled web browser (Java Applet)
* UNIX (X Windowing System)
* Windows
* PalmPilot (And yes, you have to scroll a lot using that small screen)
Sorry for forgetting Pascal/Delphi. I really thought it was on my list...
With assembler I meant the assembly language of any architecture; i.e. low level languages. And I am very aware of that that language differs quite much between RISC and SISC architectures, end event between two RISC or SISC architectures...
First of all, everyone is suggesting his/her own special language. That's OK, but we need to cut the list down a bit. Perheaps group similar languages into one option.
Yes, BASIC is a bit different from VB; especially if you mean ABC Basic or COMMODORE BASIC...
But we can not have a poll with one hundred options. Or perheaps we can, Rob?
If we are going to have a short list, I suggest joining languages with the same programming paradigm/sub paradigm. Such a list may perheaps look something like this (Please don't kill me, just comment on it, if you feel something is _very_ wrong):
1) Low level (The machine language of your favourite machine, C)
2) Ada descendant (Ada, Pascal, etc. To be really evil, I place BASIC here too, even though it does not belong here...)
3) Object oriented and imperative (C++, Java, Objective C, Python, etc)
4) Functional (Lisp dialects, etc)
5) Logic languages (Prolog, Erlang)
6) Stack oriented languages (PostScript (Yes it is a programming language, or at least it is Turing Complete...), Forth)
7) Other
And this list is anyhow too long...
Second, I realize that there is no reason for this poll; each of these language categories has its application area. The important thing is which language inside each group you select, not which group, because that depends more on what you are going to write than on your personal preferences.
Can't we have a poll here at /.? Please, Rob?
/. citzens does NOT (like to) use...
Here is a list of language I would like to see:
Assembler
C
C++
Python
Pike
Perl
Tcl
Java
BASIC (VB fits into this catoegory too)
Ada
LISP (Scheme fits here, too)
Erlang
Prolog
Another thing that would be fun, is a poll about what language the
There is one. For Cars. There are basicly two reasons. CDs are big. A drive for them is not likly to fit in your pocket. Secondly, a CD is even more affective by mecvhanical forces than a hard drive. Not that it will breake; there is no read head floating over the CD on air that can crash into it. But a very small chock, just like those you get from jogging, may still move the CD enough to bring the laser off-track. This is reasonable while working with non-compressed data; the gap in the sound will not be that long. But with compressed data, the size of the gap is also "decompressed", enlarged.
Oh, and there may of course be other reasons that I've overlooked, too...
I think someone have a time machine, saw today's poll and decided to impress some woman!
I have basicly two sub-modes to my hack-mode; the speed-of-light-feeling, and the sensitive, romantic mode. In the first mode (Mostly when I've got some really crazy hack idea and is just realizing how really coool and sick it is), I like to listen to NIN, DM, Spock and some strange under-ground synth, trance and techno. In the latter one (mostly when I'm debugging some strange, randomly appearing bug), I like to listen to Vivaldi and other classic music.
Do anyone else has this two-part divided hack-mode?
And besides this, I of course do listen to other things too, but not when I'm coding...
I don't care about what OS it is running, but i really need a ssh-client for it, and a ppp2tp adapter, so I can plug it in here and tnere where there is a network, and ssh home! By the way, are ther any good source of GPLed software for the Pilot? OK, gcc exists as a cross-compiler for it, but are there any GPLed end-user apps?
In some way, he has to messure the quality of life, or in fact, a future possible life. Where is the line? When does a life become unworthy to live?
One possible messure is how good an individual is for man kind. That was what the nazists tried to do in germany...
Another possible messure is pain. But could he, or anyone else, except the baby, who could possibly not answer the question, certainly messure if the pain is to high to make the life worthy of living?
Yet another messure would be the problems for the parents. So if you cause me problems, I'l kill you. SOunds to me like just any murderer reasoning....
It's all a question of what an individual (animal or human, that is) messures highest; life or the lack of pain. Is a painfull life a real life? I would say so. But that stands for myself. Everybody hast to decide for his/her own. And the child can not tell us what it wants. Therefore, just to let the child answer the question for itself later on: Do not let lazy parents kill their "bothersome" children.
And a cynical point to Swifts sarcastic story: Thta would be impossible today, while humans are the highest animal in the foodchain (mostly, but vegeterians do not suffer from this), and are therefore filled with heavy mettals and other environmental poisons.
I have an idea for a new system config and package system for Linux. here it comes:
/usr/prg/program-name, for instance), with one sub-directory for binaries, one for libs, one for man pages and so on, and mount all the bin-subdirectories, of all programs, onto /usr/bin, all man-dubdirectories under /usr/man, and so on.
/usr/prg/prg-name, run ./mount.sh that mounts all that is nessesary, and instructs the system to remount it after any reboot. If you want to uninstall, just remove the directory (The system may automatically unmount and remove from any remount-at-boot-list when the directory is erased). If you want to copy a program to another computer - just copy the directory.
Fisrt, create a filsystem that mounts any allready mounted directory structure (or sub-structure) to a new position in the file tree (So that the mounted tree exists twice). This is equal to what a sym-link does, nearly. Then add that you are able to mount several directories to one mount-point, and that all files and directories of the first mount, and those of all subsequent mounts, are merged together. Let everyone be able to mount any directory he/she has at least read permission in, at any mount point, to which he/she has write permission.
Now, let every program reside in its own directory (In
This way, if you want to install a binary program, just unpack the tarball in
Perheaps a bit strange method, but it will certainly easy things up a bit.
Note: This is, although I've never used an Amiga, somewhat Amiga inspired. I've been told that Amiga used one folder for each program, and mounted them all as different device-names.