It was good for the people at the top. But that's not really the point. It was the dominant social structure for many hundreds of years and it was probably marginally better than systems prior to it.
No there isn't. That's the whole point of the hypothetical situation where all jobs are automated. It's no good trying to argue why a particular premise isn't bad by just rejecting the premise outright. It's like asking why murder is bad and arguing that it isn't because murder doesn't happen.
If you want to argue with the premise, argue with the premise, but don't accept the premise then claim it's not bad because, actually, you reject the premise. That's just stupid.
And where does that dollar come from? Does it just fall from the sky?
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I agree. Now, I'm aware that I'm stirring up a hornet's nest here, but I think we, as a society, have just about wrung out all we can from the Anglo-Saxon model of capitalism. It's had a good run and certainly outlived communism, but there is simply no one society model that is good for all time. Feudalism was okay for many years until society out-grew it. The industrial revolution made capitalism the best model for society, but now the information revolution demands different models of society. Inevitably there's more people, but less work. We need to figure out a different way to divide the Earth's resources. And no, I don't know what the answer is.
That's true. The problem was everybody thought we'd have the Jetson's future. The (clearly, horribly, mistaken with hindsight) assumption has that if two workers worked an 8 hour day, then along came some new piece of technology that meant they could do the same amount of work in 4 hours, the two workers would work 4 hour days and have 4 extra hours of leisure time to enjoy the fruits of man-kinds ingenuity. What they didn't realize, but should have been blindingly obvious, is that the company that hires those two people would, instead, just fire one of them and make the other guy do BOTH jobs in an 8 hour day. So instead of the 1950's era vision of a future utopia with people doing less work and enjoying their life more, we have half the people unemployed (and miserable with no money) and the other half over worked (and miserable with no time).
Exactly this, should all half-assed and not yet fully formed ideas immediately be made public? If the CEO is taking a piss and happens to say "man, this PC business ain't worth shit", do the stockholders need to know? I'm sure the management at HP discuss all kinds of ideas and plans that never go anywhere. They don't need to be announced until they are official agree upon and become the strategy.
At some point they'd have to make the announcement and the stock would tank as soon as they did. So it's better that they investigate the idea and come up with a solid plan first then announce it.
Here,here. If Netflix wants to be rewarded for their good intentions, they should join a religious order. If they want to be rewarded for effort, they should get a government contract. If they want to keep me as a subscriber, they better deliver some high quality content.
Damn. That sounds great. If only you'd included a link to the website for this miracle product. I don't know computers too good so I don't know how to find it.
I understand their "stand by your comments" attitude, but surely a 5 minute editing window isn't asking too much? Just for those "oh shit" moments when you stop the type 5 ms after hitting submit.
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It was good for the people at the top. But that's not really the point. It was the dominant social structure for many hundreds of years and it was probably marginally better than systems prior to it.
No there isn't. That's the whole point of the hypothetical situation where all jobs are automated. It's no good trying to argue why a particular premise isn't bad by just rejecting the premise outright. It's like asking why murder is bad and arguing that it isn't because murder doesn't happen.
If you want to argue with the premise, argue with the premise, but don't accept the premise then claim it's not bad because, actually, you reject the premise. That's just stupid.
Yes, well done on confusing my HYPOTHETICAL with the real world. Try re-reading what I wrote and try again.
And where does that dollar come from? Does it just fall from the sky?
I agree. Now, I'm aware that I'm stirring up a hornet's nest here, but I think we, as a society, have just about wrung out all we can from the Anglo-Saxon model of capitalism. It's had a good run and certainly outlived communism, but there is simply no one society model that is good for all time. Feudalism was okay for many years until society out-grew it. The industrial revolution made capitalism the best model for society, but now the information revolution demands different models of society. Inevitably there's more people, but less work. We need to figure out a different way to divide the Earth's resources. And no, I don't know what the answer is.
That's true. The problem was everybody thought we'd have the Jetson's future. The (clearly, horribly, mistaken with hindsight) assumption has that if two workers worked an 8 hour day, then along came some new piece of technology that meant they could do the same amount of work in 4 hours, the two workers would work 4 hour days and have 4 extra hours of leisure time to enjoy the fruits of man-kinds ingenuity. What they didn't realize, but should have been blindingly obvious, is that the company that hires those two people would, instead, just fire one of them and make the other guy do BOTH jobs in an 8 hour day. So instead of the 1950's era vision of a future utopia with people doing less work and enjoying their life more, we have half the people unemployed (and miserable with no money) and the other half over worked (and miserable with no time).
Isn't the future grand?
One day, we'll have robots to post "first", taking yet another job away from the humans.
...until I saw this part:
So you wake up from a nightmare, stick your 3D glasses on and immediately get assaulted with flying penises?
My computer turns me on for nights and weekends!
Step 1: Pass a similar data protection law in the US. Require the requestee to provide the data in a physical format if the requester asks for it.
Step 2: Get lots of users to request their data from Facebook - make sure they insist they want the data on CD.
Step 3: ?????
Save the USPS and annoy Facebook? Sounds like a win-win to me!
Exactly this, should all half-assed and not yet fully formed ideas immediately be made public? If the CEO is taking a piss and happens to say "man, this PC business ain't worth shit", do the stockholders need to know? I'm sure the management at HP discuss all kinds of ideas and plans that never go anywhere. They don't need to be announced until they are official agree upon and become the strategy.
At some point they'd have to make the announcement and the stock would tank as soon as they did. So it's better that they investigate the idea and come up with a solid plan first then announce it.
Dude. Chill the fuck out. I see why you post as an AC. You crack me up little buddy.
Man, you need to stop taking a few funny comments so fucking seriously. EPIC FAIL indeed.
Fair enough. I was typing faster than I was thinking. Apologies.
Here,here. If Netflix wants to be rewarded for their good intentions, they should join a religious order. If they want to be rewarded for effort, they should get a government contract. If they want to keep me as a subscriber, they better deliver some high quality content.
No, I just rather not have to explain my choice of porn.
Except then you have to explain why the door is locked
No good if you don't live alone. You need to keep one eye on the door.
Wow! It took you three minutes to assess it.
Own your soul.
I can't, there's no such thing.
Self-effacing? Won't that make you go blind?
Damn. That sounds great. If only you'd included a link to the website for this miracle product. I don't know computers too good so I don't know how to find it.
...and we'll finally have Neuromancer!
Yeah, but I don't bother to read the preview because I DON'T MAKE MISTAKES. Well, except for that one time....
I understand their "stand by your comments" attitude, but surely a 5 minute editing window isn't asking too much? Just for those "oh shit" moments when you stop the type 5 ms after hitting submit.