The alt-right opposes clean renewables. Remind me again who's being unreasonable?
Both, I'm not against renewables, in a measured and reasonable fashion, but the far left is against EVERYTHING that isn't sunshine and rainbows.
We can't build anything new anymore because of the extreme left greenies, so it just gets built overseas. Same pollution, fewer jobs, nothing accomplished.
The anti-nuclear is the biggest stupidity, nuclear could replace 80% of our fossil fuel power plants, but no, the greenies are against that, so we keep burning coal, oil, and natural gas.
As someone who is pro-choice, the biggest problem isn't with abortion itself, it's creating the environment where abortions become increasingly necessary. Almost to a T, people who are pro-life support all the policies that increase the need for abortions. I support birth control and making it readily available to people who can't afford it. Places like Planned Parenthood who do A LOT MORE than just abortions. Pro-life supporters usually don't.
Careful with that broad brush, you might be shocked...
Planned Parenthood would do itself a lot of favors if it split aborts away from the main company and make it a separate thing...
What about if the mother is financially unable to care for a child?
That is what adoption is for, another thing that needs a serious overhaul. Plenty of people would love to adopt, but it is expensive and an absurdly complex process.
So you instead want to say "I wanted my child to live, so I killed my wife to save him/her."?!?! Neither is a desirable choice, but that just seems cold.
I'm sure it does, to someone who doesn't believe in the afterlife...
You're talking about somebody you made vows with. Someone you promised to love for eternity.
Yes, and one of those vows was to never harm our family, including our children. And eternity is much longer in the afterlife than it is here, this is all just temporary.
I couldn't do that to someone I claimed to love.
Do you claim to love your children? Would you ever take a specific action to kill one of them? I wouldn't.
As opposed to God? THANK GOD we have laws written by man.
That has been the downfall of many civilizations in this world, when man thought he was better than God. You'd know that if you were more knowledgeable about history.
So, I'm guessing you're one of those who believes that human life begins at "conception"?
Yes
Could you specify whether conception is when the sperm fertilizes the egg
This one
Because if you draw that line at fertilization, most birth control pills are equivalent to constant indiscriminate murder.
Yes, they are... That is why my wife doesn't take them and has never taken them. We do use other birth control methods however. For example, condoms are fine.
if eggs are fertilized at the wrong time of the month then the zygote still gets aborted just as part of the normal menstrual cycle.
Yes, but that is God's work, not human's. You didn't take an overt action to cause it.
In other words, people die all the time, sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for no reason at all. That doesn't make them bad, it is just life. You go when it is your time to go.
There is a difference between billions of fertile eggs dying every year due to nature and millions killed on purpose.
That is why the law, for example, splits out homicide between intentional and unintentional, and sometimes you can kill someone and not go to jail because it was an honest accident due to events beyond your control.
---
Note: I fully get that not everyone agrees with me, thus the willingness to compromise. I give my point of view and set my position, then figure out what I can actually get, because I don't live in a world that has to do what I say. I honestly wish BOTH sides would remember that, because I hear it too often from both extremes that they don't wish to be reasonable.
If people are against legal abortion, then they should support sex education in schools, free birth control, government help with child care, etc.
I do... as a Republican, I think our current leaders approach to those two topics is shameful.
I think Ivanka Trump's insistence on paid maternity leave is very important, as she put it, "it is a start", and everything must start somewhere. That was the policy that was her "condition" to her father to have her support for the election. She'll expect that to get done and she has enough of daddy's ear to do it.
I fully support sex education, all of it, in school. The use of condoms, STDs, life choices, all of it. Let the kids make up their own minds, don't force feed them just one point of view.
Side note, I think school should be extended down below Kindergarten, I'd love to see vouchers for parents to pick their own preschool options, such as Montessori and others, for their kids.
Where that point falls apart is in the assumption that all democratic election systems are equal...
Our system is designed to end up this way, the only way to "fix" that is to change the system, something rather hard to do, but anything is possible.
We have had other parties before, if a "3rd party" became the 2nd, it would just replace one of the two. We didn't start out with the Republicans and Democrats, after all.
I know, just like we should have excused anything that Hillary did in the 80's, or 90's, or 2000's - those were different times as well. If people show you what they are like, believe them. Stop excusing Trump just because he's your guy.
I don't, I think Dick Cheney should be in prison for war crimes and perhaps George Bush along with him...
If Trump brings back waterboarding, then I'd support impeachment for him as well.
What Clinton did 20 years ago is largely water under the bridge as well, but she has MUCH more recent issues, pay-to-play, e-mails, Foundation, etc... She has recent crimes and if she is really, really lucky, Obama will pardon her...
You cannot equate Clinton's real crimes to Trump being a boorish man...
If the developed world would over night go to ZERO CO2
If unicorns flew out of my butt, that would be pretty impressive as well. Neither are going to happen...
I live in the real world, you live in fantasy land.
Of course it will be stopped.
Yep, you live in Germany where you are fed bullshit by the people currently in charge who are complete morons... In 20 years you're going to be really fucking sorry you let 1 million people from the Middle East in, by which point it will be too late...
So you're wrong, perhaps because you'd fed this nonsense and don't bother to fact check, perhaps because you don't care, and perhaps because the reality would scare you and you like your safe space.
I'm sure that all makes perfect sense in your head, but it doesn't mean much out in the real world.
You also drifted way off point, a vote for a third party is more likely to put the person you like least into power.
That is why it is called the spoiler effect.
Now if you dislike both equally, then sure, I suppose it doesn't matter... but it is rather well known that Ralph Nader cost Al Gore the election in 2000. George Bush won by less than 1,000 votes, 100 times that many people voted for Nader, and they were FAR more likely to pick Al Gore as their second choice.
By picking Nader, they ended up with their third choice instead of second.
That's not how it works, and that kind of idiotic thinking is why we can't have nice things.
No, it is why you can't have nice things, I have plenty of nice things and can afford to move if for some magic reason the oceans rose 500 feet.
but the fact is that climate change has already affected you negatively, and it's going to continue to do so.
How so?
I have all the food and water I care to consume, I can heat and cool my home as much as I want. I can take vacations, drive and go anywhere I want, and do almost anything I want.
I believe there is a very strong overlap between being "pro-life" and supporting the death penalty.
Well to be fair, there is a world of difference between supporting killing a child and killing a murdering adult.
That being said, I'm 100% behind abolishing the death penalty, it is barbaric, the state should not be in the murder business. The state makes mistakes, I'd rather let 100 guilty men go free than to put to death 1 innocent person. It is morally horrid.
I'll take it further, I don't believe in "life in prison without parole", it is equally inhumane. Now that doesn't mean you can let them all out, but there has to be a middle ground. Sadly we no longer have "new land" to send them to, such as the British did with Australia.
You admit Trump has been a racist in the past, does that not mean he's still a racist? Or does a "real racist" have to be racist 100% of the time, incapable of interacting with anyone without using racial slurs? I bet David Duke has refrained from such behavior at times.
It takes long term behavior to change, not one or two things.
Being racist in 1975 and then not being racist for the past 20 years means you're no longer a racist. If you don't allow people to ever change, then they won't.
David Duke is clearly a racist, but I'm sure he still loves his mother and would probably help an injured black person on the side of the road. It isn't a "pure evil/pure good" thing.
Hitler had a Jewish doctor, so we know he wasn't racist 100% of the time.
Hitler didn't actually hate Jews, that was just a means to an end, "useful idiots" so to speak. He did business with them and you should read up on Emil Maurice who was from Jewish decent. He was SS Member #2 right behind Hitler, yet Hitler ordered Himmler to make an exception for his friend.
Trump didn't complain about a judge who happened to be Hispanic. He said the judge would not be able to do his job *because of his ethnicity.* How can that not be racist?
I don't see that as racist at all. If the roles were reversed and I was the judge (I'm white) and Trump were Hispanic and complained that I was white and thus wouldn't be impartial due to my race... then he might be right!
Trump isn't saying Hispanics are bad, or lessor people, he is saying that his race is a conflict of interest. And it CAN be one, and it isn't racist to point that out.
Slashdot Mirror
The alt-right opposes clean renewables. Remind me again who's being unreasonable?
Both, I'm not against renewables, in a measured and reasonable fashion, but the far left is against EVERYTHING that isn't sunshine and rainbows.
We can't build anything new anymore because of the extreme left greenies, so it just gets built overseas. Same pollution, fewer jobs, nothing accomplished.
The anti-nuclear is the biggest stupidity, nuclear could replace 80% of our fossil fuel power plants, but no, the greenies are against that, so we keep burning coal, oil, and natural gas.
Idiots...
I still can't understand how environmentalists could be opposed to it
Environmentalists are idiots, they oppose everything, which makes them not worth listening to anymore.
They were, once, but that day has passed. Call me when they grow a brain and become reasonable again.
....and the exact same thing can be said for "the right."
Not quite...
I'm on the right and I listened to Bernie Sanders carefully...
I don't think he is very realistic in his ideas outright, but he shouldn't be ignored either. Reality is somewhere in between here and there.
Both sides have good ideas from time to time, it would be wise to not shut anyone out.
As someone who is pro-choice, the biggest problem isn't with abortion itself, it's creating the environment where abortions become increasingly necessary. Almost to a T, people who are pro-life support all the policies that increase the need for abortions. I support birth control and making it readily available to people who can't afford it. Places like Planned Parenthood who do A LOT MORE than just abortions. Pro-life supporters usually don't.
Careful with that broad brush, you might be shocked...
Planned Parenthood would do itself a lot of favors if it split aborts away from the main company and make it a separate thing...
What about if the mother is financially unable to care for a child?
That is what adoption is for, another thing that needs a serious overhaul. Plenty of people would love to adopt, but it is expensive and an absurdly complex process.
So you instead want to say "I wanted my child to live, so I killed my wife to save him/her."?!?! Neither is a desirable choice, but that just seems cold.
I'm sure it does, to someone who doesn't believe in the afterlife...
You're talking about somebody you made vows with. Someone you promised to love for eternity.
Yes, and one of those vows was to never harm our family, including our children. And eternity is much longer in the afterlife than it is here, this is all just temporary.
I couldn't do that to someone I claimed to love.
Do you claim to love your children? Would you ever take a specific action to kill one of them? I wouldn't.
As opposed to God? THANK GOD we have laws written by man.
That has been the downfall of many civilizations in this world, when man thought he was better than God. You'd know that if you were more knowledgeable about history.
So, I'm guessing you're one of those who believes that human life begins at "conception"?
Yes
Could you specify whether conception is when the sperm fertilizes the egg
This one
Because if you draw that line at fertilization, most birth control pills are equivalent to constant indiscriminate murder.
Yes, they are... That is why my wife doesn't take them and has never taken them. We do use other birth control methods however. For example, condoms are fine.
if eggs are fertilized at the wrong time of the month then the zygote still gets aborted just as part of the normal menstrual cycle.
Yes, but that is God's work, not human's. You didn't take an overt action to cause it.
In other words, people die all the time, sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for no reason at all. That doesn't make them bad, it is just life. You go when it is your time to go.
There is a difference between billions of fertile eggs dying every year due to nature and millions killed on purpose.
That is why the law, for example, splits out homicide between intentional and unintentional, and sometimes you can kill someone and not go to jail because it was an honest accident due to events beyond your control.
---
Note: I fully get that not everyone agrees with me, thus the willingness to compromise. I give my point of view and set my position, then figure out what I can actually get, because I don't live in a world that has to do what I say. I honestly wish BOTH sides would remember that, because I hear it too often from both extremes that they don't wish to be reasonable.
If people are against legal abortion, then they should support sex education in schools, free birth control, government help with child care, etc.
I do... as a Republican, I think our current leaders approach to those two topics is shameful.
I think Ivanka Trump's insistence on paid maternity leave is very important, as she put it, "it is a start", and everything must start somewhere. That was the policy that was her "condition" to her father to have her support for the election. She'll expect that to get done and she has enough of daddy's ear to do it.
I fully support sex education, all of it, in school. The use of condoms, STDs, life choices, all of it. Let the kids make up their own minds, don't force feed them just one point of view.
Side note, I think school should be extended down below Kindergarten, I'd love to see vouchers for parents to pick their own preschool options, such as Montessori and others, for their kids.
Where that point falls apart is in the assumption that all democratic election systems are equal...
Our system is designed to end up this way, the only way to "fix" that is to change the system, something rather hard to do, but anything is possible.
We have had other parties before, if a "3rd party" became the 2nd, it would just replace one of the two. We didn't start out with the Republicans and Democrats, after all.
I know, just like we should have excused anything that Hillary did in the 80's, or 90's, or 2000's - those were different times as well. If people show you what they are like, believe them. Stop excusing Trump just because he's your guy.
I don't, I think Dick Cheney should be in prison for war crimes and perhaps George Bush along with him...
If Trump brings back waterboarding, then I'd support impeachment for him as well.
What Clinton did 20 years ago is largely water under the bridge as well, but she has MUCH more recent issues, pay-to-play, e-mails, Foundation, etc... She has recent crimes and if she is really, really lucky, Obama will pardon her...
You cannot equate Clinton's real crimes to Trump being a boorish man...
A fetus is alive in the same way a finger is. It is not a separate life as is a child.
You are not correct. Even the criminal laws don't agree with you, because killing a pregnant woman will get you charged with double homicide.
Go ahead, try to find something more directly relevant in the New Testament.
The Bible has nothing to do with it... Murder is not illegal because the Bible said so, it is illegal because it is not compatible with civilization.
Abortion is murder, it has nothing to do with religion. People who think otherwise simply support child murder, full stop.
So in my eyes the troll and the idiot is you.
And nothing short of violence will convince you otherwise...
You remind me of my 8 year old daughter when she's being stubborn, you plant your feet and ignore reality.
Think what you want, you're wrong and a fool, but there are many such people like you in the world.
On what planet do you live?
The same one you do, the one that passed 400 PPM CO2 and is never going back to 350 in our lifetime.
It will however, hit 600 PPM probably sometime next century, give or take a bit, and the human race will still be here.
You still forget: 75% of all CO2 pollution comes form USA, EU, and niche countries like Kuwait, Russia ofc
Really?
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_w...
Who is at the top of that list? Try again...
If the developed world would over night go to ZERO CO2
If unicorns flew out of my butt, that would be pretty impressive as well. Neither are going to happen...
I live in the real world, you live in fantasy land.
Of course it will be stopped.
Yep, you live in Germany where you are fed bullshit by the people currently in charge who are complete morons... In 20 years you're going to be really fucking sorry you let 1 million people from the Middle East in, by which point it will be too late...
So you're wrong, perhaps because you'd fed this nonsense and don't bother to fact check, perhaps because you don't care, and perhaps because the reality would scare you and you like your safe space.
I'm sure that all makes perfect sense in your head, but it doesn't mean much out in the real world.
You also drifted way off point, a vote for a third party is more likely to put the person you like least into power.
That is why it is called the spoiler effect.
Now if you dislike both equally, then sure, I suppose it doesn't matter... but it is rather well known that Ralph Nader cost Al Gore the election in 2000. George Bush won by less than 1,000 votes, 100 times that many people voted for Nader, and they were FAR more likely to pick Al Gore as their second choice.
By picking Nader, they ended up with their third choice instead of second.
That sounds nice, but unless you have a lot of money to buy a lot of congressmen, it isn't going to happen.
They don't really listen to you, they listen to who pays for their election campaign.
Clinton had a chance to win (and wasn't far from it, actually).
Johnson or Stein had zero chance.
If 100,000 more people had voted in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, we'd have Clinton...
It is quite possible that 100,000 people DID vote in those states, but voted for Johnson and Stein, and thus put Trump in.
And that is what is wrong. You vote third party and get your 4th choice, instead of 3rd.
The two major parties have 0 incentive to change it.
Either you get lucky with an election and get leaders willing to "do the right thing", or revolution, take your pick...
IMHO this is the result of decades of people saying "don't throw your vote away by voting third party."
And they are all correct, in our First Past the Post election system, you ARE throwing away your vote by doing that...
If you want to change it, you have to change the election system.
That's not how it works, and that kind of idiotic thinking is why we can't have nice things.
No, it is why you can't have nice things, I have plenty of nice things and can afford to move if for some magic reason the oceans rose 500 feet.
but the fact is that climate change has already affected you negatively, and it's going to continue to do so.
How so?
I have all the food and water I care to consume, I can heat and cool my home as much as I want. I can take vacations, drive and go anywhere I want, and do almost anything I want.
How exactly has climate change hurt me?
What's there to get? That America is mostly gun-toting racist assholes? Everyone knows this. The whole world knows this.
And that is why you lost, and will continue to lose...
You are wrong, but can't see it due to your own prejudice and bias...
Why don't you just call your apartments the "Whites Power Nazi Apartments"
What, you mean like "Black Entertainment Television"?
Perhaps I should start a TV channel called "White Entertainment Television", imagine the heads exploding over that one...
Bunch of hypocrites... again, you STILL don't get it, you don't understand how 60 million people voted for Trump...
That is just messy... One person, one vote...
There is no reason to do anything else, otherwise you run into "your vote kinda sorta counts some of the time" situations.
Either your vote counts, or it doesn't.
Values like equal rights and innocent until proven guilty? You're right, they should just bend over and take it from the fascists.
Nice strawman... try again... but you probably can't because you're blind to it...
Again, Trump won, there is a reason for that, figure it out and you win 2 Internet points...
Wow, so you would seriously let a woman die rather than allow her to have a lifesaving abortion.
I would, yes... and yes, that includes my wife. I will not kill a child to save another person, it is immoral in my opinion.
If you disagree, fair enough, but that is how I see it.
Because anyone with an 8th grade education knows that a foetus isn't a child? That is the really funny part.
What, you mean public schools that don't actually teach the truth anymore?
I hate to tell you, but an unborn child IS a child, even if you were mistakenly taught otherwise.
I believe there is a very strong overlap between being "pro-life" and supporting the death penalty.
Well to be fair, there is a world of difference between supporting killing a child and killing a murdering adult.
That being said, I'm 100% behind abolishing the death penalty, it is barbaric, the state should not be in the murder business. The state makes mistakes, I'd rather let 100 guilty men go free than to put to death 1 innocent person. It is morally horrid.
I'll take it further, I don't believe in "life in prison without parole", it is equally inhumane. Now that doesn't mean you can let them all out, but there has to be a middle ground. Sadly we no longer have "new land" to send them to, such as the British did with Australia.
You admit Trump has been a racist in the past, does that not mean he's still a racist? Or does a "real racist" have to be racist 100% of the time, incapable of interacting with anyone without using racial slurs? I bet David Duke has refrained from such behavior at times.
It takes long term behavior to change, not one or two things.
Being racist in 1975 and then not being racist for the past 20 years means you're no longer a racist. If you don't allow people to ever change, then they won't.
David Duke is clearly a racist, but I'm sure he still loves his mother and would probably help an injured black person on the side of the road. It isn't a "pure evil/pure good" thing.
Hitler had a Jewish doctor, so we know he wasn't racist 100% of the time.
Hitler didn't actually hate Jews, that was just a means to an end, "useful idiots" so to speak. He did business with them and you should read up on Emil Maurice who was from Jewish decent. He was SS Member #2 right behind Hitler, yet Hitler ordered Himmler to make an exception for his friend.
Yes, one of Hitler's best friends... was Jewish! :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Trump didn't complain about a judge who happened to be Hispanic. He said the judge would not be able to do his job *because of his ethnicity.* How can that not be racist?
I don't see that as racist at all. If the roles were reversed and I was the judge (I'm white) and Trump were Hispanic and complained that I was white and thus wouldn't be impartial due to my race... then he might be right!
Trump isn't saying Hispanics are bad, or lessor people, he is saying that his race is a conflict of interest. And it CAN be one, and it isn't racist to point that out.