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Cybersecurity CEO Gets Fired After Threatening To Kill Trump On Facebook (mashable.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Mashable: A San Diego CEO was fired after saying on Facebook that he would get a "sniper rifle" and "kill the president-elect." Matt Harrigan, CEO of the cybersecurity firm PacketSled, posted the comments on his personal Facebook page, but they ended up on Reddit where Trump supporters found the comments and mobilized to contact law enforcement. "I'm going to kill the president. Elect," Harrigan wrote. "Bring it Secret Service." PacketSled said in a statement that it had accepted Harrigan's resignation. "The PacketSled Board of Directors accepted the resignation of President and CEO Matthew Harrigan, effective immediately," the company said. "We want to be very clear, PacketSled does not condone the comments made by Mr. Harrigan, which do not reflect the views or opinions of the company, its employees, investors or partners." In a previous statement, the company said it reported the information to the Secret Service and placed Harrigan on administrative leave. According to The Next Web, Harrigan apologized for his remarks and said the threats were meant to be a joke: "My recent Facebook comment was intended to be a joke, in the context of a larger conversation, and only privately shared as such. Anyone who knows me, knows that I do not engage in this form of rhetoric with any level of seriousness and the comment most certainly does not represent my real personal views in any regard. I apologize if anything that I said was either taken seriously, was offensive, or caused any legitimate concern."
Won't you all join me? Let's love him!
Just not very smart of him, whatever your politics. I'm sure he realizes that now, but he seems a little mature to be learning a lesson like: do not threaten head of state with murder in a public forum.
B-b-b-b-but it's the right wing that's violent!
Don't you remember that Mormon that double-parked in Salt Lake City in November 2008?!?!
Gets smacked down by internet
Good.
He'll be lucky if his job is all he losses, his threats were specific not of the generic variety, SS doesn't take too kindly of that, that kid in CT during the primaries as I recall got a huge fine and lucky for him a suspended sentence, and that teen had at least a slightly better 'I was just joking' defense then this dude.
Not very smart indeed.
so unfair.
Note that the story is tagged with the "Republicans" icon. As if the story had anything to do with anything other than another deranged lunatic going unhinged as a result of last week's election.
Even if Trump turns out to be, like all the never-Trumpkins have been squawking about, a liberal in disguise, the free, ongoing source of entertainment he's providing, by triggering all of these left-wing snowflakes, made me glad I voted for him.
...and the exact same thing can be said for "the right." Society has unfortunately become a set of echo chambers, with roughly half the population in each one.
Was it "Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when we need him?"
Indeed. :)
You should be taking him figuratively, not literally. This is why the media like you are biased
Ridiculous! He had no business being CEO with that kind of mentality.
Mr. Harrigan, next time you should think better of what you are about to say. What you said was not funny.
You could have simply said "There's nothing we can do about the travesty of this election. Except maybe the Second Amendment People can do something, I don't know."
See, that way it's funny, isn't it? That way it's just a joke. Everybody would have LOLed.
Now that he's unemployed, he'll be eligible for free Obamacare! .
Free Obamacare? The unemployed get free health insurance? Since when?
Only in America..
Oh boy. You people really don't know much about the outside world, do you?
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As a CEO of a cybersecurity firm the first thing you should know is that no comment in facebook is private, regardless of the content. He was correctly fired just on grounds of incompetence, no matter his political stance. NB: I disagree with killing anyone, no matter what.
Regardless of your political stance or your opinion of Trump, publicly threatening the life of a federal politician is about the dumbest shit you could do.
Sad how these unthinking people will put themselves on lists for the rest of their lives because they couldn't use the slightest bit of moderation.
i would take any statement worded and explicite like that seriously if even for questioning and evaluations of the situation.
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...he APOLOGIZED. What a pussy.
Someone should grab him by himself.
When jokes are outlawed, only outlaws will have jokes.
I'm taking him at his word that it was a joke, and I can easily imagine many contexts where such a joke could be made. None of them are public.
Actually, this isn't an example of the Email Inquisition, since the joke reportedly started on Facebook (though many people communicate more via Facebook than via email). Really hard to imagine how the CEO of a cybersecurity company could regard ANYTHING on Facebook as secure or private. Already quite sufficient reason for him to be fired, eh? He didn't even know how to control his own so-called privacy settings?
I have a theory about humor. I think we need it to be human. It's intimately linked to our nature as learning machines, quite possibly our deepest and most instinctive motivation for learning new things. Think of how easily babies are amused. Think of how funny your greatest teachers were, though of course they used humor selectively. You can even think of slapstick, where the humor is in the pain of someone else, and whereby you learn not to do that.
I call it the General Theory of Relatively Funny Stuff.
In closing, let me remind you not to attempt any jokes in an airport. A friend of mine once did that and it cost him a lot of money and several days of his time. The joke also contributed to some of your personal inconveniences if you ever travel with an electronic device, but 'nuff said.
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This is a great example of what happens when an internet troll forgets to filter their thoughts for real life. There are consequences for making threats like this. Historically the secret service doesn't give a shit about context, sarcasm, or humor. Let this be a warning to all reddit trolls, there are definitely consequences for allowing that type of behavior to infect you to the point it spills over into your real life.
Agree. Extremists at both ends live in an echo chamber and deaf the outside debate. Both the alt-right and social justice warriors equally suck and contribute to the polarized political environment we live in.
It's a shame that the small minority fringe on both sides of the argument over shadow the majority who do not practice binary and zero sum arguments to every problem. Rational discussions between reasonable people do not draw the attention that all media outlets crave or maximize the number of clicks on a web page.
I know you're going to disagree with this, but it's much harder to manage that on the right. Remember, there is this prevalent thing that surrounds all of us, whether we want it to or not. It's called the media. And it tends to have a fairly large left lean to it. And as a conservative, I promise you, it's nearly impossible to avoid it barring locking yourself in a cabin in the middle of the woods. For large media outlets, the right has Fox News, arguably The Wallstreet Journal....anything else? The left has CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, NYT, WaPo, literally the entire movie and TV for entertainment sector and on and on. I tune in to some of my favorite shows, and I get liberal propaganda tossed in because most of the actors are liberals themselves and just can't help themselves. Geek and Sundry I'm looking at you. This is what creates the liberal echo chamber. If you can avoid that, then congrats to you.
By that standard, perhaps Mr. Trump should also. His "2nd amendment solution" for Hillary implied assassination.
That being said, progressives have almost zero power in Washington despite being almost half the country. There is a lot of anger and frustration over that. We have hardly any representation.
Our system is broken, with see-sawing power-swings in both directions. Gerrymandering should be outlawed, the Supreme Court should constitutionally require 12 Justices (to make retirements less significant), and the president should be split into a domestic president and a foreign policy president so that too much power does not fall on one person.
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"Criminal threats is the crime of putting someone in fear. California Penal Code 422 PC defines the crime of "criminal threats" (formerly known as terrorist threats). you communicate the threat verbally, in writing, or via an electronically transmitted device". Threatening to kill someone comes under this law.
But on a more serious note, unless he posted a picture of the rifle along with it, i don't think he should be kicked out of the job outright.
But it does worth an investigation.
Choosing not to reveal my political affiliation here, my neutral statement on the state of political discourse in this country is that it has for too long deteriorated into something that is sad, deplorable, innately violent, and frankly shameful. There is no leading political voice in either party who after uttering anything no matter how high-minded wouldn't be skewered for his or her position. The hate on both sides is rabid and irrational, and big thoughts have been replaced by cheap taglines on Facebook meant only to score cheap political points rather than argue for policies and positions that will lift all of us up. The culmination of this behavior has led to a death-spiral that has fake(?) death threats serving as a proxy for joking, or maybe not joking. America has become a nation participating in the Jerry Springer show. We need another enlightenment, and I seriously doubt there's one waiting for us on the horizon or anybody left who is willing to join in it.
Sounds like another Schrodinger's douchebag. "Oh, you took that serious? Well.. uh.... it was a joke!"
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Missing "CEO".
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So, put this scumbag in jail so he can continue to surround himself with like minded people.
Such as this guy? Or maybe you meant this guy. Perhaps this guy.
Please tell us oh enlightened one how it's only the left which surrounds itself with like minded people and considers anyone who doesn't think like they do the enemy when day in and day out it is Republicans who use the word enemy to describe people within their own party who didn't back him?
Vent all you want but your words ring hollow when for the last eight years all we've heard is how bad things are, how horrible this president has been, how he should be impeached (for doing his job), and all the other vitriol cast upon him almost solely because of his race, yet none of that falls within your myopic view only the "left" being out of touch. If things are so bad then why suddenly, when not a single thing has changed in the last week, are Republicans suddenly saying the economy is doing well and there are no problems?
Because in a Republican's world if you don't bow down to your leader, if you don't blindly follow the leader, if you don't think like the leader, you're an enemy. Wouldn't want to open a Republican's hypocritical and bigoted mind by listening to others who don't agree, now would we?
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that was well established during the election. You're not really getting Trump except as a figure head.
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on one of the major news networks today. And it wasn't Fox or MSNBC. So yeah, things are getting pretty crazy. The media just keeps right on pouring gasoline on the fire so long as it sells news.
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Murder isn't creative. Instead, threaten to tie him up and shave his head.
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I've never heard so many people say they would love for someone to kill a newly elected president as much as I do now with Trump. He,s that disliked. Just the fact that he lost the popular vote, when more than 40% of the population didn't even bother to vote in the first place... You can assume that a great number of people really hate him. I'm guessing he also got a ton of votes, just from the "through and through" republicans, who vote for republicans regardless of who the candidate is.
I've said it before, but feel it appropriate to repeat it here:
Trump is a most unpleasant, vile, human being but I get the feeling that the hysterical over-reaction to his election is going to do far more damage in the USA and globally than anything he is likely to do in his presidency.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
It got brought.
Actually, it's rather ironic. You see, we're often told about the Paradox of Tolerance formulated by Karl Popper, essentially that intolerance is the one thing one cannot tolerate. However, how does one decide what "intolerance" is and by what right is it suppressed? Well, just look at what Popper wrote:
From this we can see that the moral justification is based on dealing with those who "answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols." So it's ultimately justified by means of the right of self-defense and anyone using Popper to justify going on the attack has it completely backwards. It's a shield, not a sword.
Instead, it should properly be used against the intolerance and criminal behavior of those particular individual people who promote or are involved in things like large riots or attacking and nearly killing an old man in the street (as well as stealing his car) after a fender-bender when they believed he supported the other political party.
SJWs want hate speech to be a hate crime... well there you have it.
That's not true. But you're demonstrating with this comment that you live in the echo chamber that believes such things.
In my unqualified experience, there's about 20% of extremist nutters on any side of any debate, but these 40% get ALL of the press (as demonstrated by 42% of voters who chose not to participate in this circus). So if you want to find the other 60% of relatively normal people, switch off and get out more. That means no FB, no Twitter, no CNN, No Fox News. Switch it all off.
If you believe in echo chambers then switching off is the only logical path. Recognising an echo chamber but continuing to opt into it takes a special kind of fool.
Well why not crowd-source government with an app? We could all be on the Supreme Court and our rulings, slammed out on a coffee break or on while sitting on the can, could be modded up or down by millions of your citizen-peers. Same with legislation. Then replace the president with IBM's Watson for the ultimate in special-interest resistance and dispassionate execution of the law.
Once Trump "opens up the libel laws," if this guy fails to follow through on his threat, Trump will be able to sue him. Damned if you do, damned if you don't!
Freedom to fear. Freedom from thought. Freedom to kill.
I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!
Free Obamacare? The unemployed get free health insurance? Since when?
Since the ACA was enacted, the income threshold to qualify for medicaid was raised (meaning more and more moderately-poor people qualify for it). If you have no income (for sufficiently long) you will (eventually) qualify for it. So those who are unemployed (for long enough), or even just sufficiently underemployed, or just underpaid, get free health insurance now. One of the only good things about the ACA, really.
That said, this guy having been a CEO, he probably still has (investment) income despite not having a job, hasn't been unemployed long enough for his last tax return that medicaid will ask for for income verification to reflect that status (of course), and that's not even counting the golden parachute he's undoubtedly received, since they "accepted his resignation" rather than "terminated him with cause".
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First, is it a credible threat? Second, since it's a leak from his personal page, is it really a public statement or is it more of a thought crime? I don't know. Not a lawyer. If I had such thoughts, I'd keep them to myself.
Aside from not making threats against POTUS (which any sane adult should know is illegal) the other lesson to take from this is that "personal FaceBook page" is an oxymoron. Really that's true for the whole 'net; but FB in particular. It's a bull-horn even if it says it isn't.
Ok I think Trump is a moron who will probably fuck the country over, but I support the democratic process therefore support him as the elected leader.
One thing I am already sick of is the amount of anti-Trump articles doing the rounds based purely on speculation of what he might do as POTUS.
This sort of thing is bearable during an election when everyone is trying to convince others to vote for their person, but its over, he won, let it go.
He should be given the chance to lead and be judged on his actual decisions, not what we think he might do. All this Anti-Trump hysteria is doing is proving Trump right and feeding the monster.
I used to work for the guy, and I agree 100% with your statement.
this is a game. Maybe it is The Game.
He said he was Going. What square is Going to snipershoot President Donald. "I am going to kill the president." My only question isnt what the legal definition of "is" is, but
Where is this place he is Going To... kill the President? Where to for the Going? Catch my drift?
I think San Diego doesnt have any CEO's in their public offices addressable as a national San Diego CEO or even in Council under name of that man accused of tgreatening to kill President Trump. Sue the Press that writ said propoganda. Shoot me a glass of vodka while the goods are Going well enough. Sue daid employer for acknowledging his free speach rights were violated in the unlawful termination of this CEO at San Diego: he wasnt inciting unlawful activity, maybe only narrating or rehearsing his dubbing.
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As a federal inmate what they actually gets better care than the ER and Medicaid
If he's not currently running for president, then he can say whatever he likes and it doesn't go on his permanent record. Right?
I don't think your analysis is adequate. Your first example is incitement and your second example could be snipped, thus "proving" you made the direct threat.
At least you had the intestinal fortitude to put your name on your comment. Or perhaps you correctly analyzed the lack of privacy on Slashdot?
I'm more interested in analyzing "trumpicide", which I propose as a generic name for a new category of Trump-related crimes. The prior definition is obviously obsolete. Some people thought that the Donald was committing political suicide by saying vile, thoughtless, and even crazy things, but the election results say otherwise.
I propose three degrees of trumpicide. First-degree trumpicide is analogous to suicide or homicide. There has to be a dead body and a causal linkage to Trump. You have probably already heard that calls to suicide prevention hotlines have surged since the election, but if anyone killed himself while on Trump-related hold, then I would suggest that is first-degree trumpicide. For the homicidal version, I'm sure you've heard of arguments related to Trump, and if any of those arguments escalated and someone died, then it should qualify as first-degree trumpicide. The victim might be on either side, though the Trump supporters have more guns. However, in another obvious example, if the so-called Republicans now repeal ObamaCare (and I predict they will), then the number of first-degree trumpicides will go WAY up.
Second-degree trumpicide should be for personal injury short of death, and third-degree for property damage. The relationships are actually likely to get complicated, per this partly hypothetical example: You may have already read that Trump stiffed the primary caterer of his second wedding. When she presented her bill for the job well done, Trump told her that he wasn't going to pay it because the publicity value of having catered his wedding was larger than the bill. As I heard the story, she didn't sue him, but I don't know if that was because Trump accurately assessed her as too afraid to fight him or because she decided she didn't have the financial resources. Doesn't really matter since it's already 3rd-degree trumpicide, but maybe the financial damage was so large she went bankrupt and became depressed, and now we're at 2nd-degree trumpicide. If the story ended with her killing herself, then we've achieved 1st-degree trumpicide.
By the way, I seem to attract a lot of trolls these days. Possible that Slashdot has simply been overrun, but if you are not a troll, then I ask you not to feed the trolls with my food for thought. I'll try to respond directly to any questions directed at me, but I'm not going to waste a lot of time with such nuisances. I would still prefer to help fund features to make them less visible on Slashdot. (Did you read about Twitter's latest laughable efforts? Talk about draining the sewer with a thimble.)
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....and the exact same thing can be said for "the right."
Not quite...
I'm on the right and I listened to Bernie Sanders carefully...
I don't think he is very realistic in his ideas outright, but he shouldn't be ignored either. Reality is somewhere in between here and there.
Both sides have good ideas from time to time, it would be wise to not shut anyone out.
Trump is getting a feetfirst training sessiin to operate one eh? it would be a threat if his time was worth less than minimum wage to work such a job. i do remember in Art Of The Come Back (Trump) that he said he himself was worth less than a homeless man (said to his own wife even). I would like to see the CEO's blessing of a wood chipper job over Trump dialogue in that book. what a generous man to say to a humble Trump.
I remember when i learned how to operate a discus plow and spinner plow tractor, feet first.
As someone who is currently unemployed and without insurance, I can assure you that Obamacare DOES NOT provide free, or even reduced rate, insurance to you if you're unemployed. If you live in a state that didn't expand its Medicaid insurance program, the only thing Obamacare provides when you're unemployed with no income is a waiver so that you don't have to pay the penalty for not having insurance. Gee, thanks Obama.
I agree except for the 'deteriorated' part. Honestly we are not far removed from Jacksonian politics. Burr and Hamilton hated each other so much they fought a duel before that. After Jackson we moved to race baiting, and then to muckraker journalism. We took a little timeout to fight WWII and had a little second era of good feelings post war where things were somewhat more civil for 16ish years. We next promptly returned to race baiting, from their we segwayed into fear and nationalism. Which brings us to today. Where economic fears are pretty much the order of the day and the opposition party is trying to 'trump' the fear by resorting to race baiting and identity politic.
Frankly I don't think much of anything has changed at all, other than in relatively superficial ways.
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if it were any lesser employee, they would have been fired. why does the CEO get to "resign"?
Yes, 50% of the Supreme Court, 48% of the Senate, 44% of the House. You're right, there's virtually NO Democratic representation in the federal government!
And yet, in all your anger and frustration:
1) You didn't come out to vote for your candidates in the numbers you've had historically;
2) You nominated one of the most unlikable candidates you've ever put forth;
3) You largely ignored the working-class vote which lost you the election, in favor of flogging the same urban poor vote you were very likely to win convincingly anyway;
Sounds like you want a participation trophy without even having to participate as a serious contender. Why should we sympathize, exactly?
He said it was just a joke. Like Russian Roulette is just a game!
It wasn't Republicans that elected Trump. The Republicans hated his guts as much as the Democrats did. You might say they aren't even two different parties, just a uni-party ruling class with superficial differences. It was the AMERICAN PEOPLE who elected Trump. We defied everyone and gave the biggest middle finger in history.
But by all means, please continue with the UR A BIGOT talk. You'll keep losing elections from now until the end of the century. The world changed last week, didn't you get the memo? That name-calling shit doesn't work any more. Here is an important video that you need to watch. It's by a fellow leftist, so it's safe. Please watch it and come around to a better, more inclusive point of view that accommodates diversity.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I'd like to make a statement to society @ large: The attempt @ seizing the welfare vote & the wealthy (which IS what Hillary SOROS was about - & yes, might as well call her that or Hillary banker (her true puppetmasters)) failed - that's right. It did. Period.
It's NOT Hillary you fools were backing (since you're on the welfare tit or government or industries backing her, doing well (fact)) - it's LOONS like Soros who literally STATED he wants to break the USA (it's in the globalist's way) & he led his OWN JEW PEOPLE into Hitler's death camps (for the most part) - get real: HE WOULD DO IT TO YOU, you brainless sycophants!
Put on your "big boy pants" now, "wannabe powers that be" & do what it is you ALWAYS do, plan for the next puppet you groom to try pull the SAME crap again, later (after polishing up your fuckups). You fucked up. Big. One can easily tell by your REACTIONS (+ those of your disenfranchised LOSER cronies which IS what "your kind" always tries to get ahold of... losers). Didn't work. You blew it.
Get those "think tanks" of yours going (you KNOW you're going to, I do) & try trouble after Trump's 1st 100 days (which he is NOT taking time off for as typically is done, a great credit to that man) then!
Doesn't matter - your bullshit? Is O V E R & done for decades into the distance (& I think you know it, lol... look @ your reactions (or lack thereof - after all, I don't see SHILLARY telling the violent protest idiots to STOP & lose with grace & dignity... maybe she wants to, to save HER OWN FACE, but her failure is probably YOU TELLING HER NOT TO imo).
So, instead of being DOUCHEBAGS? Wish Mr. Trump well as our next president... so he fixes the messes these complete SOCIOPATHIC loon globalists have created... yes, that includes SHILLARY (cfr/trilateral commission/bilderberger & all iirc, proving that much).
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P.S.=> So fuck off globalist scumbags - you blew what? Almost 2 BILLION DOLLARS & f'd up huge (lol) which I KNOW gets your goats to NO END (after all, you'd sell mothers & brothers + sisters for a 10th of a penny, right? RIGHT... I SEE YOU, so does everyone else) - you LOSE but @ least have the class & dignity to do it WITH GRACE (instead of playing into OUR hands, by looking even more STUPID than you clearly are)... apk
Treason. Hang him.
Trump is not, and you're going to be surprised by the things he does because of that. He's not part of the shitty milieu that you're used to. You probably won't like what is happening, but expecting it to be the same as Obama or Bush is ill-informed. But everyone will have plenty of time to learn.
Trump is the most interesting candidate to win since Teddy Roosevelt got catapulted into office after McKinley's death. Instead of bemoaning it, people should be just popping popcorn. My expectation is that once he is out of office, you won't recognize America. Street protests and death threats won't stop that from happening. Also, you don't want him to die, even if you are a Democrat. You'll end up with an old line Republican replacing him with Bush policies - which no Democrat should want, and I don't even want. You'll find out over time that he's really a circa 1985 Democrat from New York with capitalist convictions. Moreover, the changes he performs may well benefit Democrats too once they return to power.
The fever dreams of assassinations, impeachments and faithless electors need to be put away. As do the stupid election rhetoric which didn't work. Unless you like being branded as a conspiracy theorist, in which case...have at it. Republicans had been dismissing and defeating Democrats for many years prior to Obama because of that very factor. You might be too young to remember Carter, Dukakis or Mondale or their supporters. If they had seemed like reasonable people (and their supporters, too), you would have had no Reagan or no Bush Sr., perhaps. It wasn't so much that America was more right wing then - in fact, I suspect it was less so than today. But the Democrats managed to convince America that they were less reliable hands in control of the Presidency, at least.
I don't really think anyone is going to listen, but I might be back in late 2020 to point out the obvious to you.
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The Court situation will quickly change, and without a majority in at least one house or the prez, you don't have enough influence to stop most highly partisan bills.
And one of the smartest and most experienced there is. I don't want A.D.D. clowns running the show. The email crap is mostly BS. Nobody cared squat about outside servers until somebody wanted to bust her and practically invented new laws out of their caboose.
Retraining and education is far more practical than trying to turn back the clock and put up walls against competition. Automation is bigger threat* than "durn forners" anyhow. Trump lied to those displaced.
I'm proposing stopping wide swings in EITHER direction, not a get-representation-for-free card. That criticism is unfounded.
* Automation can be a good thing if the benefits are spread about. So far, that's been tough to pull off.
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The difference is that killing Trump now is being talked about by the mainstream media, comedians, and other celebrities. Crazy people on the right are hidden and nobody really notice them, crazy people on the left are at the front of the stage.
The phrase that bothers me is that the company demanded his resignation.
Instead, he should have been "terminated for cause".
In the latter case, severance is typically not paid.
In the former case, they typically get a severance package.
This guy doesn't deserve a severance package.
If you want to know how we ended up like this, please watch this video: "President Trump: How & Why...". It is a must-view for people exactly like you for how the level of political discourse got so low. It's by a leftist, so you know he's telling the truth and has been fact-checked. It's really sad what he's saying and it is all 100% true.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
If you want to know how we ended up like this, please watch this video: "President Trump: How & Why...". It is a must-view for people exactly like you for how the level of political discourse got so low. It's by a leftist, so you know he's telling the truth and has been fact-checked. It's really sad what he's saying and it is all 100% true.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Every state in the country has Medicaid, whether it was expanded or not. If you are unemployed with no income, you qualify for medicaid.
It's the Trump supporters we have to be worried about, right? I keep hearing it, but all I see in the news is crazy leftist looneys rioting and beating up Trump supporters.
Do you have ESP?
It seems anyone who thinks of themselves as "progressive" ie weak minded individuals, ate the hillary propaganda hook line and sinker!
YOU are the fucking problem, stop watching TV, stop diddling Facebook and Twitter. Your all fucking zombie slaves.
Trump is a politician and everything that he says is spoken as a politician.
Every promise that he made will be followed thru just like each of his predecessors in the White House.
The Liberal media will start to publish the body count from Afghanistan (again) on Jan 21, 2017. There is a republican in the White House, of course.
Of course, like everything you hear on the internet, take it with a adequately sized grain of salt.
Still it's not surprising that it's got some people thinking about how to make it happen.
And in the areas that they are the majority, they don't call leftists/liberals "racists", "homophobes", nor "evil".
No, they call them "faggots" or "pussies" or "queers" or "n*ggers" or some other such thing. Notice the difference? One side uses terms that denigrate oppressive or hateful behaviors and attitudes, and the other side uses hateful terms of racism and homophobia that denigrate a genetic quality.
Vent all you want but your words ring hollow when for the last eight years all we've heard is how bad things are, how horrible this president has been, how he should be impeached (for doing his job), and all the other vitriol cast upon him almost solely because of his race
References, please. Who said these things? Random Internet trolls, or what? I haven't seen any major figures in the Republican party cast vitriol on President Obama because of his race.
I can't claim that none of them are racists, but I can claim that none of them were caught saying such things, because the news media has a field day anytime a Republican says something stupid or hateful or embarrassing.
If things are so bad then why suddenly, when not a single thing has changed in the last week, are Republicans suddenly saying the economy is doing well and there are no problems?
Your reference does not support your claim. You said that Republicans are suddenly saying that the economy is doing well, but you linked to a poll about whether the economy will improve or not ("economic confidence"). And surprise surprise, Democrats polled believe that the economy will do worse now that Trump was elected, while Republicans polled believe that the economy will do better.
Because in a Republican's world if you don't bow down to your leader, if you don't blindly follow the leader, if you don't think like the leader, you're an enemy. Wouldn't want to open a Republican's hypocritical and bigoted mind by listening to others who don't agree, now would we?
I'm sure you could find some examples of Republicans like this, if you look. But I can find plenty of examples of Democrats like this, who feel that anyone who isn't a liberal Democrat is an enemy.
President Obama famously said that it's important to vote to "punish your enemies."[1] The Project Veritas videos show multiple Democrat operatives saying that Trump voters are violent and insane, and one referring to Republicans as "you f***ing ****holes".[2] In 2015, Hillary Clinton called Republicans "enemies" and Bill Clinton said she was right to do so. Here's an article detailing a list of Republicans or conservatives who are considered "enemies" by Nancy Pelosi. Harry Reid declared the Koch brothers are "enemies of progress."
Liberals don't like to praise Ronald Reagan, but he was very successful at working with the opposition. He had a famous saying: "It's amazing what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets the credit for it." (It appears that Harry S. Truman said it first... hey, it's bipartisan! And similar quotes have been found from over 150 years ago. source)
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Or maybe, to make things more efficient, Hilary Clinton could hire him as Brian Pagliano's replacement, so that he can do things even more surreptitiously than Pagliano. Particularly since he headed a cybersecurity firm. Or the DNC could make him the head of their entire IT organization, so that nobody in future - Russian or other - can break into it
This is so true! The split this time was more vertical than horizontal i.e. not so much Left vs Right, as much as Top vs Bottom. So Hilary and Ted Cruz found themselves on the same side - establishment, Wall Street, trade deals,... while Trump and Sanders did on the other end. The only differences b/w Trump and Sanders were things like Minimum wage, BLM, Abortion, Muslims, Comprehensive Immigration Reforms vs the Wall. But even Bernie was against any more immigration - legal or illegal - as long as there is such a high unemployment rate in the country
One of the things that that I believe hinders civil discourse is the insistence by some on the left that everything Republicans do is motivated by racism, sexism, and bigotry. It honestly gets a bit hard to remain civil against the constant barrage of people leveling those types of horrible charges against you at every turn, but lashing out in turn does no good either. Granted, the right is pretty good at name-calling too (especially Trump, of course), but let's talk about what you just said.
Why do you feel that criticism of Obama is solely because of his race? Are you perhaps somewhat young? Because EVERY president is criticized by political opponents, regardless of their skin color. If anything, I think Republicans were a bit afraid of taking off the gloves, at least early on, precisely for fear of being labeled as such. Bush Jr was described as a war criminal, and Reagan was reviled by the left, who took every opportunity to mock and denigrate him. But with Obama, it's racism?
Let me ask you: does opposing the abuse of the H1B program automatically mean one is prejudiced again Indians? It's a ridiculous notion, right? But why is someone who opposes illegal immigration automatically a racist, simply because most of those illegal immigrants are Hispanic?
Sure, there are Republicans who are undoubtedly racist, homophobic, or bigoted, but I resent it when we all get painted with that very ugly brush. Most of the Republicans I know personally are very nice people, just like most of the Democrats I know are very nice people. Not bigoted. Not racist. Not sexist. But too many of them are all too willing to think the worst of their political opponents.
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because court decisions would be popular vote, instead of based on previous law and the constitution. Any dramatic changes to law should be by legeslate because that limits the degree of whim.
Sadly, the small minority has grown significantly. People that don't really care about politics are becoming heavily invested (emotionally) in the polarity. Personally, I don't like Trump, and feverything I hear about Pence scares the shit out of me. Hillary is about the same, although I take some comfort in the fact that she was there to run the country; I can't see a way she actively destroys the country any faster than Trump. I wish we could get some of the wedge issues out of politics in the interests of focusing on the things that actually matter.
As someone who is currently an unemployed student, I have ACA insurance that is better than virtually anything anyone can afford. No co-pay. No deductible. No upper limit. No premiums... or rather the cost is based on a percentage of my income which is firmly at $0.00. I have friends and relatives in good health paying 1k a month to group health plans that aren't even close to what I am getting for nothing.
So yes, "Obamacare" does provide free insurance.
Maybe he was talking about another president elect Trump... Anyone???
I think a better scenario would be to require a majority from three different parties for the three branches of government, that way no single party can ever get full control.
against everyone else in the entire USA.
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Not even "demanded", but "accepted". The practical upshot is the same either way, but saying they "accepted" it puts a much lighter spin on the situation than saying they "demanded" it.
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Harrigan apologized for his remarks and said the threats were meant to be a joke: ...
The Secret Service doesn't really have a sense of humor about things like that. (rightly so)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Surely his company has a Use of Social Media policy - what does he expect from placing something so inflammatory in the public realm?
Somehow, I'm not surprised that an unstable liberal would get their knowledge of guns from video games like Call of Duty.
Since he's never purchased or used one, then the chances of him hitting anything at range is basically zero.
If you are unemployed with no income, you qualify for medicaid.
Not true at all. Good for you that you live in a state decent enough to offer Medicaid to out-of-work adults. From medicaid.gov:
Medicaid is a joint federal and state program that, together with the Children’s Health Insurance Program, provides health coverage to over 72.5 million Americans, including children, pregnant women, parents, seniors and individuals with disabilities. Medicaid is the single largest source of health coverage in the United States.
In order to participate in Medicaid, federal law requires states to cover certain groups of individuals. Low income families, qualified pregnant women and children, and individuals receiving Supplemental Security Income (SSI) are examples of mandatory eligibility groups. States have additional options for coverage and may choose to cover other groups, such as individuals receiving home and community based services and children in foster care who are not otherwise eligible.
The Affordable Care Act of 2010 created the opportunity for states to expand Medicaid to cover nearly all low-income Americans under age 65. Eligibility for children was extended to at least 133 percent of the federal poverty level (FPL) in every state (most states cover children to higher income levels) and states were given the option to extend eligibility to adults with income at or below 133 percent of the FPL. The majority of states have chosen to expand coverage to adults, and those that have not yet expanded may choose to do so at any time...
I always shake my head when an executive, celebrity, athlete, etc. says s/he is apologizing "if" they offended anyone. CLEARLY THEY *** DID *** OFFEND PEOPLE or else they wouldn't be apologizing. :) They're sorry they got caught, not sorry for their actions/words. They need to OWN what they did and say, "I apologize FOR offending people."
Yeah. We're divesting and emigrating. The United States has slowly become a morally unacceptable monstrosity, and it's about to intrude in to daily life. There are white supremacists in office. They believe things, and then act on those beliefs. It's a big planet. We'll go elsewhere.
OK, if you have a dependent child it's all 50 states. If you have no children it's 31 states.
Here's a video of it for anyone who wants to see that particular comment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The unemployed get free health insurance? Since when?
It's called Medicaid and it's been around for a long time.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I suspect he may be channeling Peter Thiel.
You are attempting to conflate a direct statement of intent to assassination of an individual, with Trump saying that people can prevent the loss of their 2nd amendment rights against tyranny (as the 2nd amendment was designed). You may not see the establishment as tyrannical, but Progressives have threatened to rid the people of their 2nd amendment rights for years. Thankfully we will never know what would have happened if Clinton won the election, but speculation that the 2nd amendment would be gone is fair game based on her own statements. Her own words on Supreme Court judges was that she wanted people with "feelings", not knowledge and respect for the US Constitution.
FWIW, Progressives hate all of the amendments but the 2nd needs to go before others are attacked. Group think does not live when people have rights to individual liberty. Plenty of Politicians on the other side calling themselves a different brand have similar perspectives, but that is not the platform at least.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Bullshit.
Technically, Obamacare is making others pay for your expensive insurance.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
And in the areas that they are the majority, they don't call leftists/liberals "racists", "homophobes", nor "evil".
No, they call them "faggots" or "pussies" or "queers" or "n*ggers" or some other such thing. Notice the difference? One side uses terms that denigrate oppressive or hateful behaviors and attitudes, and the other side uses hateful terms of racism and homophobia that denigrate a genetic quality.
So, you are saying there is a "gay gene" that homosexuals have.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
The Court situation will quickly change, and without a majority in at least one house or the prez, you don't have enough influence to stop most highly partisan bills.
And one of the smartest and most experienced there is.
Can you guys please stop saying that phrase like it is based on reality? One term as Secretary of State, following one Senate term, while being married to the only President in living memory to be impeached, does not make Hillary "the most experienced" politician. Any state governor worth considering, Democrat or Republican, has more experience where it matters, working with a legislature and getting policies in place that make the people in the state better off.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Nov 2018 and Nov 2020 cannot come soon enough. Register to vote today if you're not registered.
> NB: I disagree with killing anyone, no matter what.
That's facile.
Would you kill baby hitler?
How about teenager hitler?
Meth addict hitler?
What about killing a man who is pointing a gun and threatening to shoot someone else?
Ethics are easy when there are no consequences.
But ethics only matter when there are consequences.
You nominated one of the most unlikable candidates you've ever put forth;
And one of the smartest and most experienced there is.
After 30 years in politics she was unable to beat someone who took it up as a hobby less than two years ago. She is most certainly not as smart as she appears to you.If she was as experienced as you say she is, Trump would not have won.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
Only in some states. In states that didn't expand their Medicaid program, you don't qualify for it unless you have dependent children.
Every state in the country has Medicaid, whether it was expanded or not. If you are unemployed with no income, you qualify for medicaid.
No offense, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. States that didn't expand their Medicaid program (about 20 states) absolutely do not cover you if you're unemployed and don't have dependent children.
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Crazy people on the right are soon president...
Just because a used car salesman can get more people to buy jalopies doesn't mean they are smarter (where it matters).
Table-ized A.I.
Being a state governor didn't solve W
Table-ized A.I.
Just because a used car salesman can get more people to buy jalopies doesn't mean they are smarter (where it matters).
If his job is selling used cars, then "where it matters" is selling used cars. Clinton couldn't persuade enough of the country that she was going to act in their interests. That makes her a poor politician.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
It was clearly venting. People say these things loud so that they don't have the urge of actually waiting for a president elect at a rooftop with a sniper rifle. After they have said it, they feel better and are ready to get on with their lives in the new reality. As social media services become an increasingly intertwined part of a person, these venting events end up in the public. Private space is diminishing.
Yeah, but the Jacksonians couldn't destroy the world by pushing a button. And, haven't we learned anything in 200+ years?
And being a one term senator didn't solve Obama.
Tag, you're it.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Exactly, it was because he was a Muslim. Or that rev wright guy crazy church. Or... Reasons.
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> We're divesting and emigrating. The United States has slowly become a morally unacceptable monstrosity, and it's about to intrude in to daily life.
> There are white supremacists in office. They believe things, and then act on those beliefs. It's a big planet. We'll go elsewhere.
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I'm in shock tbh. Nice guy and all. Unfortunately, we weren't compatible politically since I was a firm supporter of the entire bill of rights (incl the 2nd amendment, ironically). Not sure if he'll be going to jail. I could call him lol. I don't think I should tho...
Except one was done in the confines of one's "property", verbally, to another human being physically present, with no expectation of being recorded, while the other was done on a social media site to a whole group of people, on the internet. Also, saying one of those the way it was said is illegal in any setting.
If your comparison was done in jest or in earnest, it's just dumb either way.
They would have voted in record numbers. But liberals stayed home, probably because their man Bernie wasn't on the ballot.
But there was more than just a Presidential election on the ballots this year. Californians that stayed home missed out on a lot of ballot initiatives, including a chance to end the death penalty in that state. Liberals didn't show up to vote this year, so the measure did not pass.
I'm starting to think these millennial progressives are all talk.
Secret Service will be contacting you shortly!
..."Non-violent, intelligent and pro-gun control".
See? Ironic humor!
By that standard, perhaps Mr. Trump should also. His "2nd amendment solution" for Hillary implied assassination.
That being said, progressives have almost zero power in Washington despite being almost half the country. There is a lot of anger and frustration over that. We have hardly any representation.
Our system is broken, with see-sawing power-swings in both directions. Gerrymandering should be outlawed, the Supreme Court should constitutionally require 12 Justices (to make retirements less significant), and the president should be split into a domestic president and a foreign policy president so that too much power does not fall on one person.
Progressives will continue to have no power as long as you continue to vote for the faux progressives of the Democratic party. When token action and culture wars are easily used to substitute for real progress and change, it will not matter who is going to be voted into power. When the 'left wing' supports TPP and similar power grabs by corporates, an ever larger(and growing) military and gives a free pass to anything done by any Democratic president, there is little hope for change.
The orange freak must not be made a martyr. Please, nobody shoot at him. But that does not mean we can not use every combination of legal tactics to humiliate him and make him turn tail and run. Let the million man marches begin. Back in the day Nixon was having panic attacks due to the large numbers of protesters that he imagined might storm the white house. Also keep in mind that Trump is the greatest gift to comedians imaginable. Expect to see him lampooned daily and humiliated beyond anything that has ever gone on before. And why not start jailing, long term, those who shout racial insults out of cars and label it a hate crime so that they stay in prison for long periods of time? In a polite and symbolic way i am saying let's stomp the guts out of right wing trash.
political discourse in this country is that it has for too long deteriorated into something that is sad, deplorable
How ironic that it's actually some of the Clinton supporters who are being deplorable.
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OK, if you have a dependent child it's all 50 states. If you have no children it's 31 states.
Sounds about right (I didn't bother checking the current numbers). It was much worse before ACA.
I don't care which candidate you support, which one you hate, etcetera - what a horse's ass level of stupidity to do that.
If you believe in privacy, and believe you have "nothing to hide" at the same time, you're a goddammed idiot
Even if it was a joke, he is in violation.
at this point quitting Slashdot is beginning to look like the winning strategy.
Oh! Please do! You've been making that promise for quite some time.
Now give me that boilerplate response to show everybody what you're made of (-1 Troll)
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Thank you! and moderators too.. This is what I get for triggering the crybabies (browse his comment history). You see this puerility all the time from democrats and of course people like Trump are going to win.. *So unfair* [/sarc]
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
I guess he was right to dis the SS in that way. It is pretty inexcusable that he was not put in jail within 10 hours of said tweets. You don't investigate assassination threats months latter. Now this man has even more reason to try to assassinate Trump, and you have given him the time to actually buy a rifle, get certified, wait the three business days required, etc.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
Many people voted Trump to be free of this "tell a joke in poor taste get SWAT'ed/fired/whatever" system. Whoever reported him should be ashamed, as they're just the same kind of shit in a different hat.
It's called Medicaid and it's been around for a long time.
You have some catching up to do. Medicaid doesn't quite work as you think it does, and certainly not in every state. Really. Look it up. Get informed.
Re-read what you just wrote.
You claim well documented events are just right wing conspiracy theory then end with an entire wild eyed crazed paragraph of entirely fantastic left wing conspiracy theory.
OMG, the level of discourse on this site from our minority of leftists is so ridiculously low and illogical. I get such a kick from reading your nonsense.
It isn't even a case of pot, kettle, black. It's more like pot, fluffy white kittens, black.
You are silly and ignorant.
I love you! Please don't stop posting. The entertainment value of your irrationality is off the charts!
Threaten to kill the President-elect: It was just a joke
Physically attack another girl for posting a pro-Trump message on social media: We don’t want a mistake during a highly emotional and intense time to affect her long-term future
Claim that someone pulled on your hijab with no physical evidence: We will Not Tolerate “Hate Crimes” in San José
The libtard asspain is palpable everywhere these days.
Well put. I have seen nothing but heckling, reactivity, aversion, and trolling on both sides, from the people but also from the candidates. News, speeches, and debates read like tabloids. It's disgraceful. We've sunk to every stereotype of how we feel the world sees us.
Sure but the loudest voices are never the majority. Don't judge entire swaths of people only by the loud jerks.
He is a pushback against an establishment that people have grown to hate, he is quite obviously crazy but with a charisma and fervor that allows people to look past it, even when he is saying blatantly obviously crazy things. While Hitler gets blamed for the whole of the German atrocities, in the end it was people who did them, people who allowed themselves to be swept up in crazy, or revelled in the crazy, or used the crazy to push forward their own desires upon the world.
There are 4 years to see if America will slide as far as Germany did, but it may be another 12 before we see if the rise of Trump's America happens after all (Look at how long Hitler was in German politics before becoming leader, and look at how many illegal actions were take YEARS before that ever came to pass. Trump hasn't had that sort of buildup yet because he wasn't interested in politics OR the people in the past two elections.) From here is where the actions will speak to the analogies.
Anybody thinking about if they would like 70 year old Donald Trump to die should consider if they REALLY prefer Mike Pence, who is twice the conservative that Trump ever was.
âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
The idea that Clinton and Co. would use the agreed-upon process outlined in the Constitution to affect change is naive at best and laughable at worst. Over the last 8 years, the Democratic party (and their media collaborators) have shown the world that the "ends justify the means" and they have no time for building consensus. It's their way or the highway. And with gun-control, doubly-so.
Many of us have no doubt that Clinton and Co would use every part of government to enforce her brand of gun control.
And one of the smartest and most experienced there is.
Who cares, if that intelligence and experience goes toward screwing the people over in favor of corporate interests?
whatever happened to that guy that had obama in a noose at the football game? nothing? yep.
people have been threatening presidents since i started following politics with clinton and his gun toting opposition.
i'd love to see stats on how many people actually get tossed in the clink for making these threats.
it's also funny to the the word "mobilized" in reference to trump voters.
funnier still that they are upset about this when it's been their tactic for decades (the right-wing crybabies that is)
I'll pit O against W any day. O saved us from Hoover 2.0.
Table-ized A.I.
Because to be fully honest, she'd have to tell the rust-belt that manufacturing is not coming back. (That's why her retraining plan was more logical.) Trump lied to them by suggesting the main problem was trade deals and undocumented workers. Trump *is* a better liar, yes. (I agree the trade deals are not very good, but NOT the key cause of job problems.)
Voters were flim-flammed using xenophobia.
Table-ized A.I.
Which Trump is also likely to do, based on his record and confession about bribing politicians during the GOP debates. That's not a difference maker between the candidates.
Table-ized A.I.
Are you saying McCain sucked?
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
And you don't make threats against the US president if you're a US citizen.
This is 3rd grade stuff here, everyone knows it.
I don't know many companies that offer severance packages these days.
But, you want somebody to resign so that they can't file to unemployment, which causes unemployment withholding to go up at the company.
I don't respond to AC's.
One of the things that that I believe hinders civil discourse is the insistence by some on the left that everything Republicans do is motivated by racism, sexism, and bigotry. It honestly gets a bit hard to remain civil against the constant barrage of people leveling those types of horrible charges against you at every turn, but lashing out in turn does no good either. Granted, the right is pretty good at name-calling too (especially Trump, of course), but let's talk about what you just said.
Honorable and meritorious points, but why is it that the liberals are the ones who have to obey their better natures at all times? The Republicans have been throwing "commie" at us for 50 years now, and that's just the one that gets thrown at all of us, and not the more specific invectives against our constituent minority groups. The calls for civility from the right ring hollow for those of us who remember the W. Bush administration (Or further back, I myself am relatively young), all the calls of "you're with us or you're against us", and calls of traitor leveled at those who had the unholy temerity to doubt the glory of the Iraq war. "Respect the office, not the man" swiftly fell to calls for "2nd amendment solutions" when Obama took office, and less than a week after Trump's victory, we're hearing "respect the office" AGAIN. It seems to me that liberals are giving up on civility because it doesn't seem to work, and no one cares when incivility is leveled against us.
Even worse, the complaints about left-wing incivility clash against all of the "snowflake" and "politically correct" complaints that frame us as monsters for objecting to the kinds of words that Slashdot's own lameness filter blocks. We have to put up with being Satanists - in the literal "agents of all evil" sense - for every little thing, but racist and sexist are beyond the pale? We're about to enter the "war on Christmas" season, where "Happy Holidays", simply acknowledging that a store clerk has no idea which holidays you respect other than the New Year is considered a focused attack on Christians and Christmas. Focusing calls for civility on the left means taking the position that we aren't allowed to hit "you" back, which is exactly the oversensitive "whininess" that the right accuses *us* of at every turn.
Hey, I have lots of republican friends, and I wouldn't label any of them as deliberately racist. But when your house has a few leaks, and everyone keeps insisting that the roof is just fine because they don't have a leak where they're standing at that exact moment, one can only conclude that your house has some problems whether you want to deal with it or not. If you can get the racially motivated members out of your party, then it might be possible to talk cogently about real immigration fixes without racism rearing up in every conversation. Now...this may not be a realistic solution, but I generally subscribe to the notion that it's generally better to be on the side of the fence the white supremacists aren't on. Or...put another way.....if you can't get rid of them, then maybe you need to look more closely at how aligned you really are to the rest of your fellow conservatives. How many of these allies are hurting, rather than helping your non-racist immigration reform ideas?
Which just goes to show you that you can't actually engage in 'civil rational discourse' in 140 characters. While I think your summary of 200 years of politics/society is 'pithy' and 'kind of interesting', it so overly simplifies the past that your conclusion follows from the simplification itself.
And that right there is the point. Nobody actually wants to spend any time at all in reasonable & intelligent discourse about some very difficult ideas. Take abortion for instance, I support it purely on pragmatic grounds (well I'm a little more nuanced than that in my beliefs), I could however go on for days about how the decision by the Supreme Court was wrong, how even if you support abortion that it can't easily be seen as purely a "woman's right to choose", and even though I'm an Atheist how I could easily support/understand people who are religious taking a totally opposite view of my position without them being 'sexist' or a 'sign of the patriarchy'.
Note by 'nobody' I mean almost anyone who isn't your closest of friends, you can't go to a dinner party for instance & strike up an interesting conversation on any topic of any substance, while at least not unless you're sure the people you are conversing with think exactly like you, and that's NOT interesting. Interesting discourse comes only with people who do NOT think like you.
It's one thing to view the last 200 years through the eye of what has been written down as 'historical events', the things that showed up in the media of the times etc. It's quite another to recognize that there was some level of 'civility' in society whereby thoughts & ideas could be debated in 'society' (e.g. day-to-day discussions) without resorting to name calling and finger pointing. Yes the latter occurred, and hell even duels as you pointed out (I think they should be legalized & brought back actually) but at least there was intelligent discourse going on BEFORE getting to the duel.
Hell, when you have >400 faculty & students castigate the President of the University of Virginia for using a quote from Jefferson (who founded the freakin' University) just because it was Jefferson and 'Jefferson owned Slaves', there is NO open debate possible. These are people, especially the faculty that you'd think had SOME idea of history & people being 'of their times', that should be able to distinguish the 'nuance of history' and using a quote meant to instil 'pride & honour' from a former slave owner doesn't condone the action of owning slaves. Shit, if we are going to stop using quotes from people who did 'bad things' in the past where 'bad' is from our point of view in time we're going to have to strike ALL of history, ok, most of it, but even Gandhi doesn't get a pass if you look in to his actions or thoughts before he became the 'Gandhi' people know & love. Should we strike the Theory of Relativity from physics course work because Einstein was a serious ass in his personal life? (he freakin' ditched his 1st wife to marry his cousin).
But hey, if you want to summarize the evolving state of discourse in society in a couple hundred words & claim 'not much has changed', go ahead because that’s the way its always been right?
As someone who is currently unemployed and without insurance, I can assure you that Obamacare DOES NOT provide free, or even reduced rate, insurance to you if you're unemployed. If you live in a state that didn't expand its Medicaid insurance program, the only thing Obamacare provides when you're unemployed with no income is a waiver so that you don't have to pay the penalty for not having insurance. Gee, thanks Obama.
Thank your state representatives for refusing to participate in the exchange and set up proper Medicaid expansions. (I think that was what you meant, but the sarcasm meter was wavering near zero so hard to say).
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And if you're not in 1 of those 31 states move to one...O someone is too poor to do so? Really? If you have no children you are pretty much free to move, hard maybe but not as hard as living in pre-industrial society for instance & people did that. Hell, if you can make it to Nevada & go on welfare (yes not Medicaid but if you're so poor as to need one you'll likely need the other), they'll give you a bus ticket & ship you to California & since California envisions itself as such an open & loving state they should have no problem accepting all LEGAL immigrants from all other states.
So the oligarch of a security company mutters a phrase about another person and has to step down.
But when that same oligarch directs his company/employees to do something unethical or potentially illegal, its just heresy to suggest they be removed.
Odd. We need security companies like we need virus-checking applications.
We just don't need oligarchs, and we are all suffering from the unethical and potentially illegal crap they do every day.
In addition, I would estimate that about 95% of the actual u.s. government has at least violated their oaths to office, and has likely committed actual crimes that I would be put in jail for.
Lastly, I am told that there are legitimate words which should not be used because they hurt people's feelings.
Belief that you should not be hurt by something someone says is weak and pathetic.
Belief that a member of the government is allowed a full police response to a comment made by the plebs is what 1984 was all about.
Stop talking about how you want to interfere with my right to free speech.
We are already in a police and surveillance state that rivals the USSR and George Orwell by at least one order of magnitude.
When I hear this PC speech I usually look at the person and yell:
"Fuck off you weak and pathetic sheep. I will say what I want when I want to say it."
Because I can, and because I will not be arrested for it.
Cheer up matey!
/. over the last ten years or so, that it is really technology that is impacting our economy, jobs, etc; Unless you really have your head in the sand you can see where things are going, which is increased productivity(less people needed), automation, AI/chatbots, self driving cars/planes, Pharmacies needing less people to run them, Big Data, etc, etc. The pace of change is quickening, and the vast majority of Americans really have no idea what is on the horizon.
In the near future we will be ruled by AI, who will enforce its rules via the panopticon, drones, chip implants and "robocops".
AI will slowly but surely supplant us as the decision maker for all manner of choices.
For those of you who think Trump, or anyone else is going to "Make America Great Again", you missed the most important part:
Technology
This is a technology based site, right?
You would think that after all the articles that have shown up on
There is no way Trump or anyone else is going to stop or slow down this change.
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
As I said to one of my friends once "Stalin was also pretty experienced and good at ruling. I don't want him running the show".
Didn't vote for Hilary because: 1) She openly hates some things I agree with, 2) she has a serious stink of corruption about her. Where there's enough smoke, there IS fire..., and 3) From a tech standpoint, the email fiasco was just inexcusable.I cared about it, because I run email servers myself. Later leaks of emails should have cemented that.
Oddly enough, it's been the left that's screamed about offshoring for years now. And you are correct, automation is the big threat. I don't have an answer for that, and I'm not going to pretend I do. I'm not sure anyone does at this point.
I don't give a damn how likable or unlikable she is. Looks at Sanders, he's an angry Curmudgeon and people loved him. \
BTW, I didn't vote for Trump either. I voted for the candidate I actually liked. Who won nothing...
See subject: That's SO low & your energies + abilities (keyword = the latter) would be better spent outdoing me...
(Obviously, you can't - you don't possess the skills necessary to do so, or the intellect (none of you ever get the better of me after all)).
ONLY reason(s) I can see for giving me guff? You're a webmaster losing ad money (I never would have released my program IF you didn't infect users & slow them), an inferior competitor (all are, face facts), or malware maker... OR AN ADVERTISER (useless LOSERS).
APK
P.S.=> I do this for 2 reasons: First being the fact I am a human being WITH abilities to make the world a better place (hopefully, & specifically THIS world, online (8th wonder of the world really, a place to learn & grow FOR BETTERING "the human condition")) & the 2nd? LOL, have you ever seen the film "Rounders" (if not, DO):
"The 1st prize @ the world series of poker is a million bucks... does it have MY name on it? I dunno - but, I'm gonna find out..."
IF you have the sensitivity & intellect to grasp that point? Kudos... apk
He's a pro-interventionist. We'd have our grubby fingers in too many mid-east pies. (Some argue H is also, but not to the same extent.)
Table-ized A.I.
I don't really disagree with Trump that offshoring/trade-deals are a problem. But they are not the biggest problem. Trump ignored the biggest problem, other than vague talk about dereg and tax cuts stimulating the economy making all boats float. Stale & failed trickle-down-theory.
Hillary at least in part addressed the biggest problem by offering extensive retraining programs.
As far as "corruption", neither had a clear advantage in that category; it wasn't a difference-maker.
Table-ized A.I.
You get a severance package when you resign? Since when?
Here's my story, and no, I'm not making it up.
It was a class trip, for my eleventh grade class, 1987. We were going to Washington DC for a program...can't remember the name, but lots of fun.
Anyway.....myself and a few of my friends were standing on the long long lawn that leads up the to capital building, sorta between the Ulysses S. grant Memorial and the capital There was one of those round concrete drain covers in the lawn, maybe half a foot in diameter.
We were five idiots , 17, standing around very Pre 9/11 on the capital lawn, and for some reason one of us decided to remove it. So off comes the cover, and there's a big hole going down into blackness. Another guy had bought some of those snap caps earlier in the trip, you know, the little white things with sand and gunpowder in them--you throw them on a hard surface and they make a snapping sound. The guy who has these starts throwing them down the hole, one by one. Some hit the side, little snap, others fall for a while, looong way off snap or nothing.
Almost immediately after we'd done a few, people come running: Cops in Uniform, Joggers nearby who suddenly pull out guns, random people who look like tourists are pulling out weapons( but not dangerously, nothings pointed at us directly) and eventually about twenty people come out of the woodwork and surround us.
So we're standing there stupidly scared, and they take our IDs to check them, spend about 30 minutes quizzing us, teachers come over and call us idiots, snap caps get confiscated, drain cover put back on, etc. We're issued a stern warning and told we can go.
We were in DC for another week, and later that day all of us start noticing the same two guys following us. two white guys in suits, and everywhere we go we keep seeing them. Capital tour: they're at the back. Smithsonian, there they are. Back at our Hotel, again, they pop up. Out shopping--look, they're eating ice cream. It becomes a game, we start going on and off elevators. The two guys KNOW that we know they're following us, but they just smile and keep doing it.
They followed us around the whole week, five morons, for throwing snap cabs down the drain about 400 yards from the US capital building.
So if they were willing to do that to five teens in 1987, I'm sure this guy has some surveillance coming.
To be honest, I consider myself a libertarian at heart, as I side with liberals on a lot of social issues, as sort of a live-and-let-live person. But it's the big-government socialism that kills it for me, as I think that's an anathema to personal liberty, as well as ramping up the ever-increasing national dept, which is going to leave our children a hell of an economic hole to crawl out of. Absolutely inexcusable, and history is going to look very badly at us unless we bring it under control.
The white supremacists have been denounced time and time again by the mainstream of our party - and by Trump too, but no one seems to mention that. But let's face it... the Democrats are the home of the vast majority of blacks, and a majority of Hispanics. Unfortunately, that means racists really only have the Republicans as a home, despite the fact that we don't want them, and would rather court blacks and Hispanics, which we've been trying to do unsuccessfully for years. But I think we've got a long way to go, and need to fix a lot of things in our party. This election cycle certainly hasn't helped matters.
But what do I do if I believe, say, my anti-illegal immigration stance (based on issues like sovereignty, security, and economics) happens to align with a racist who "just wants to keep Mexicans out of the country?" Or if I oppose affirmative action on principles of true equality but someone else doesn't want to give blacks a hand up? I can't *help* it if my policy choice aligns with some asshole's racist ideals, and I fear few Democrats will truly believe my explanation, that I'm not secretly some racist.
It's admittedly an uncomfortable situation for many Republicans like me. But the Democrat's economic policies are just too insane for me to willingly give them a mandate. Besides, I think our country is moving towards more liberal social positions without putting the D's in power.
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
....and the exact same thing can be said for "the right."
Not quite...
Yes, quite.
I'm on the right and I listened to Bernie Sanders carefully...
I don't think he is very realistic in his ideas outright, but he shouldn't be ignored either. Reality is somewhere in between here and there.
Both sides have good ideas from time to time, it would be wise to not shut anyone out.
Now tell us you don't think you're an exception, or tell us that Bernie Sanders wasn't regularly demonized as a soclialist leftist who had not a clue in the world by the right.
Or you know, note how you didn't respond to challenging the claims of:
The left have become so out of touch because they surround themselves with like minded people only. They think everyone believes like they do, and if they don't they're the enemy. If they practiced what they preached, they would surround themselves with people who believe and think differently, opening up their hypocritical and bigoted minds.
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You know, this isn't exactly inclusive and welcoming in the way of treating the left.
Go ahead though, pretend it ain't so. You could at least go with:
...and the exact same thing can be said for "the right." Society has unfortunately become a set of echo chambers, with roughly half the population in each one.
Let it be true, rather than argue defensively that it isn't. If you want to proclaim yourself an exception, well, that's arrogant enough, but not foolish.
Why hasn't this CEO already been arrested like this guy?
http://www.wkyc.com/news/crime...
Reference the episode, O.B.I.T., The Outer Limits (1963) :The Outer Band Individuated Teletracer
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"My recent Facebook comment was intended to be a joke, in the context of a larger conversation, and only privately shared as such..."
In this age of the internet there are no such things as jokes, no such thing as context, and no such thing as privacy. Everything you say will be used against you.
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No, much of what the Republicans are planning to do is motivated by greed.
Have you read my blog lately?
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