I am upset with the majority of comments posted here. According to many EFnet is nothing but a place with warez, no ChanServ, constant DoS attacks, and an overall "l4m3n3$$". EFnet is not this at all. Sure it has its share of warez/mp3/porn channels, but every net has an underground side to it. DoS attacks happen every where, but mostly on servers open to public. This is what everyone is crying about. If all servers go private, how will the general IRC population get on? The answer lies in geographic distribution. Why do EFnet Canadian servers only allow *.ca ? Why can't states of the US be divided up and assigned to a server. This way it cuts down on the DoS attacks.
Another thing that many don't realize is the freedom on EFnet. If I want to create a channel with no one present, I can. I get no message from ChanServ telling me bob1234 registered my channel at the server's conception. IRCOPs should be hands off. If theres a disbute or a takeover in a channel, let them work it out. It's these basic freedoms which make EFnet such a great idea. I do concede that EFnet is not at its pinnacle right now. It has experienced massive DoS attacks, loss of servers, corrupt IRCops, and devistating takeovers. The IRCops are not to blame. They just went with the flow from a lack of rules. Sure, here's an i:line for this nice shell. Sure, I'll k-line that client even though its not a bot or clone. Sure, I'll abuse my power for anything that might better myself. If the administration of EFnet cannot keep itself clean, what hope is there for a new EFnet without DoS attacks.
It is a sad time for EFnet. We have come so far. I will stay on it until the end.
mycroft@EFnet
gimme a/msg and we can talk any time:)
Yet another replication of the overblown media attention LOVEBUG virus. Like we should care. And whats with all these people who keep doing it? Maybe its all of those High School CS teachers who keep telling students to reuse code.
The media and congressional attention to this virus and others is damaging. The media has a tendency to give exagerated emphasis on a story. Politicians are worse. They use the current internet issue to prove their points for censorship or other things. I say, just stick to wasting federal money on highways in good ol Alabama and Mississippi.
I can see where you are trying to compare today's targeted technologies to the books. I think the main theme is the censor of free speech and free thought. That is the main point that must be passed to the reader. I don't see how Napster suppression would limit free speech. Although music is an expression, Napster is only the middle man. Napster is the bookstore and newspaper boys of delivering our information.
I think a more correct comparison would be internet filters. This is a full blown violation of free speech in use of public places.
If you really want to start a Linux in the classroom trend at your school, then just do it. I recently did the same thing at my high school. All student accessible computers are running NT, and most teachers have macs for grades, Internet, and e-mail. My friends and I started our own LUG. I donated a 486 system, and someone else gave an old mac. We installed RedHat on the 486, and its doing well. We plan to network the two computers together.
We also tried to get funding. Our PTA asked teachers to submit proposals for grants up to $350. We sent in a request, but we were denied. The PTA said we were classified as an extra-curricular activity, and they only give money to teachers for in class purposes. So, basically we are a stand still right now, as we await our next opportunity to apply for a grant. Setting this up depends on your teacher. My CS teacher is laid back and wants to learn about Linux. He let us set up the computer in his lab and always gives us support.
I just got back from the local Circuit City (Reading, PA), and they were completley sold out except for the display model. The salesperson checked the inventory of the surrounding stores. The locations at King of Prussia, Lancaster, and the area warehouse reported zero IOpeners in stock. These locations were hours away in both directions from me. I asked for a rain-check order, but he told me it would take two weeks to receive one. I didn't order it because by that time, they might enforce in-store ISP sign-up.
Is this a result of the/. community and internet, or just pure ignorance amused by the nice LCD. I have no doubt that both were the culprits. If I, as spend thrifty as I am, would go purchase one, I assume that thousands of other Linux users would also. But the fact that the warehouse was depleted of IOpeners, means that they must have been selling well before the/. post today. At only 100 dollars that is practically an impulse buy for anyone, computer-ignorant or Linux guru.
I have just visited etoy.com and there isn't much there. However, there is a link to toywar.com. That site contains lego models which flame etoys.com. I don't know what kind of content was on etoy.com before the court case, but if someone threatened my financial gain using my own ideas, I would be upset, too. As much as I support free speech and business competition, it can be looked at from both ways. You have a company trying to pursue the American dream, or you have a website trying to gain some publicity and flaming the competition. Oh well.
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I am upset with the majority of comments posted here. According to many EFnet is nothing but a place with warez, no ChanServ, constant DoS attacks, and an overall "l4m3n3$$". EFnet is not this at all. Sure it has its share of warez/mp3/porn channels, but every net has an underground side to it. DoS attacks happen every where, but mostly on servers open to public. This is what everyone is crying about. If all servers go private, how will the general IRC population get on? The answer lies in geographic distribution. Why do EFnet Canadian servers only allow *.ca ? Why can't states of the US be divided up and assigned to a server. This way it cuts down on the DoS attacks.
/msg and we can talk any time :)
Another thing that many don't realize is the freedom on EFnet. If I want to create a channel with no one present, I can. I get no message from ChanServ telling me bob1234 registered my channel at the server's conception. IRCOPs should be hands off. If theres a disbute or a takeover in a channel, let them work it out. It's these basic freedoms which make EFnet such a great idea. I do concede that EFnet is not at its pinnacle right now. It has experienced massive DoS attacks, loss of servers, corrupt IRCops, and devistating takeovers. The IRCops are not to blame. They just went with the flow from a lack of rules. Sure, here's an i:line for this nice shell. Sure, I'll k-line that client even though its not a bot or clone. Sure, I'll abuse my power for anything that might better myself. If the administration of EFnet cannot keep itself clean, what hope is there for a new EFnet without DoS attacks.
It is a sad time for EFnet. We have come so far. I will stay on it until the end.
mycroft@EFnet
gimme a
Yet another replication of the overblown media attention LOVEBUG virus. Like we should care. And whats with all these people who keep doing it? Maybe its all of those High School CS teachers who keep telling students to reuse code.
The media and congressional attention to this virus and others is damaging. The media has a tendency to give exagerated emphasis on a story. Politicians are worse. They use the current internet issue to prove their points for censorship or other things. I say, just stick to wasting federal money on highways in good ol Alabama and Mississippi.
I can see where you are trying to compare today's targeted technologies to the books. I think the main theme is the censor of free speech and free thought. That is the main point that must be passed to the reader. I don't see how Napster suppression would limit free speech. Although music is an expression, Napster is only the middle man. Napster is the bookstore and newspaper boys of delivering our information.
I think a more correct comparison would be internet filters. This is a full blown violation of free speech in use of public places.
If you really want to start a Linux in the classroom trend at your school, then just do it. I recently did the same thing at my high school. All student accessible computers are running NT, and most teachers have macs for grades, Internet, and e-mail. My friends and I started our own LUG. I donated a 486 system, and someone else gave an old mac. We installed RedHat on the 486, and its doing well. We plan to network the two computers together.
We also tried to get funding. Our PTA asked teachers to submit proposals for grants up to $350. We sent in a request, but we were denied. The PTA said we were classified as an extra-curricular activity, and they only give money to teachers for in class purposes. So, basically we are a stand still right now, as we await our next opportunity to apply for a grant.
Setting this up depends on your teacher. My CS teacher is laid back and wants to learn about Linux. He let us set up the computer in his lab and always gives us support.
Hope this helps.
I just got back from the local Circuit City (Reading, PA), and they were completley sold out except for the display model. The salesperson checked the inventory of the surrounding stores. The locations at King of Prussia, Lancaster, and the area warehouse reported zero IOpeners in stock. These locations were hours away in both directions from me. I asked for a rain-check order, but he told me it would take two weeks to receive one. I didn't order it because by that time, they might enforce in-store ISP sign-up.
/. community and internet, or just pure ignorance amused by the nice LCD. I have no doubt that both were the culprits. If I, as spend thrifty as I am, would go purchase one, I assume that thousands of other Linux users would also. But the fact that the warehouse was depleted of IOpeners, means that they must have been selling well before the /. post today. At only 100 dollars that is practically an impulse buy for anyone, computer-ignorant or Linux guru.
Is this a result of the
I have just visited etoy.com and there isn't much there. However, there is a link to toywar.com. That site contains lego models which flame etoys.com. I don't know what kind of content was on etoy.com before the court case, but if someone threatened my financial gain using my own ideas, I would be upset, too. As much as I support free speech and business competition, it can be looked at from both ways. You have a company trying to pursue the American dream, or you have a website trying to gain some publicity and flaming the competition. Oh well.