Oh, and I forgot to add. Do you want to believe in a god that requires human sacrifice. Jesus getting hammered to the cross is exactly that. What an evil deity (fortunately he's only imaginary, given his stupendous level of evilness).
Actually, the doctrine of vicarious redemption is evil and immoral. Believing that Jesus takes away our sins when we commit immorality to others is wrong. Fortunately there is no Invisible Man in the Sky (as desperately as you want to be his slave). There is a Flying Spaghetti Monster though you blesses you with his noodly appendage (prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, you can't, neither is there any evidence of an Invisible Man in the Sky). Stop being a slave. Be good and courageous and moral - that is innate within you whether or not you believe in man-fabricated superstitions. Go on to YouTube and watch some of Christopher Hitchens debates on these issues. If you watch his statements with an open mind you just might learn something - and then you can come back and prove me wrong (but you won't, because his positions have impeccable logic). Pax.
How about total attacks (each rocket launch is an attack on an Israeli civilian). Hmm, your statistics are not representing the true picture, and certainly not representing the intent to target civilians or not. But then, you don't want to look at that. You have your preconceptions and you'll be damned if you are going to let the facts on the ground have Israel be anything other than the Zionist octopus ensnaring the World. Fortunately, most people are reasonable and don't cherry-pick the facts as you do.
I don't dispute your facts. Again you simply don't (or won't) understand the fundamental difference between Israel and Hamas. In Israel the government policy is not to commit war crimes against Palestinian children. Now, soldiers are always soldiers (no matter where they come from) an conscripts are the worst. If an Israeli soldier can be shown to have committed crimes then they are prosecuted *by their own army*. In contrast the entire Hamas charter is anti-Semitic in doctrine. The entire Hamas way of waging war has been judged by the UN as a war crime and possibly a crime against humanity. When Hamas forces commit war crimes (which they do routinely) they are never investigated by Hamas (and therefore never prosecuted). I agree that Israel is not perfect but you must understand they are trying to be. Hamas deliberately tries to kill Israeli children. No reasonable person could condone this, I'm suprised you even try.
Breaking the Silence is controversial and has been criticized for failing to provide evidence for its claims
Anybody can say anything, but you have to provide evidence. Note also that in the Goldstone Report from the last Gaza War many of the alleged atrocities claimed by Hamas to have been committed by the Israelis (and parrotted without verification by the UN and Western media) were found to be without basis in fact (that is, Hamas lied deliberately [called taqiyyah, look it up]). In fact Richard Goldstone himself realised he had been played by Hamas propaganda and withdrew his name from the report (although his reputation was in tatters because he didn't even do basic verification of facts - a cardinal sin in such matters).
Let us look at what the young conscripts in the Israeli Army has to put up with on a daily basis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDohNq9BORo
The use of children (pushed by their parents) to do this is absolutely disgusting. Also look at all the cameramen lurking around like vultures, just waiting until onw soldier has had enough and pushes a child away. That is also disgusting. This is the truth of much of the criticism of th IDF that you are accepting without even questioning it. Even today there have been videos released by Hamas on YouTube of 'innocent' casualties on funeral biers yet later footage shows the person gtting up several minutes later and walking off. Much of what you are accepting as fact is simply staged propaganda. All I ask is for you to check the cross-check facts of any report (including whether Israel has any counter proof; necessary since Hamas stages falsehoods so often).
It is sad that a person like yourself falls for this propaganda. If you care about humanity then learn about how IDF Rules of War embodies cares for civilians (even those from the opposing nations). Also find and read the Hamas charter and see what that has to say. If you care about human values you simply cannot support Hamas.
Like I said, if you are reasonable and can see through the staged or faked propaganda of Hamas you will see that Israel is trying to protect its citizens while minimizing civilians losses in Gaza (ask yourself, if they didn't care about Palestinians then surely the casualty rates would be the same as the Russians storming Grozny, yeah?). However Hamas is trying to kill Israeli civilians while also trying to get its own civilians killed through involuntary matyrdom (that is why they fire rockets from schools and civilian homes).
In Judaism life is sacred, in Islam death is sacred. Are you a reasonable enough person to think about it and spot the fundamental difference? This is why you are mistaken when you bring up unverified reports and completely ignore the hideous and barbaric acts Hamas is perpetrating right now (7000 rockets a year deliberately targetting at civilians cannot be defended by any reasonable person). So cut posting unverified crap, have a think about it (and ffs cross-check your facts!), and be reasonable. k?
The election is certainly a factor. However, you still don't get it. This fight is to the death. It is Israel (Enlightenment values) vs Hamas (jihadist Caliphate dictatorship). Somehow you are trying to back the faction that doesn't believe in human/womens/homosexual/religious/scientific freedoms - in fact if you are from another muslim party (eg. Fatah) you get thrown off buildings (as Hamas did to Fatah members when they took over Gaza). Either you are ignorant of Hamas' true agenda (a worldwide non-optional islamic dictatorship called the Caliphate) or your hatred of Israel (and its Western values) has allowed you to excuse Hamas' war crimes (eg around 7000 rockets targetted at *civilians* so far this year). Either way, you are defending an evil regime while opposing a UN member country from defending its citizens. Don't support evil.
Yes, it is very unfortunate that Palestinian children are killed. Even the Israelis acknowledge this. But if you are reasonable you will also acknowledge what I said, that the Israelis are taking great pains to avoid killing children. Unlike Hamas, Israel does not deliberately target civilians - even though the video footage that is emerging shows Hamas firing its rockets from civilian infrastructure. If you take Richard Goldstone's retractions out you also see that it is Hamas that commits general war crimes (although you probably close your eyes to that, or try justify the evil in some way) whereas there were three proven violations of Israeli military law (allf of which were punshed; none of the Hamas war crimes were bothered to be investigated by Hamas, their outlook is truly barbaric). So, how about you do some digging and get real facts, please.
As explained in that link, that is exactly why I mention the specific term 'hudna' and because of the implications that hudna has for Muslims (slightly different than their other words for ceasefire). Basically as long as Hamas uses the term hudna in its statements (and it does) you know it is not committed to peace. They are only using hudna as break between offenses to build strength, and fool Europeans/New Leftists that they have any interested other than the complete conquest of Israel (which, if you look at their charter, is one of their principal aims).
How does a rational actor (eg. Israel) go about negotiating with that attitude/religious belief? The Israelis tried but have come to the conclusion it is pointless (eg. Ehuk Barak offering pretty decent terms in 2000 at Camp David). Maybe it is not pointless but I can certainly see how the Israelis can't see the point in negotiating against a party that is only interested in temporary hudna, and never in true peace (salaam).
I hope my posts have pointed the way for further research directions for those interested in the reasons why peace won't come to the region (IMHO because the jihadis believe they are commanded to kill or enslave all unbelievers, and Hamas subscribes to that notion; everything else is tactical breaks 'hudna' or tactical falsehoods 'taqiyya' to neuter reasonable Westerners that would otherwise see their true global intention).
Prophecy? lol, you believe in the Invisible Man in the Sky? fortunately there is *zero* proof that he exists. He may or may not exist, but there is zero proof that he does (which means he almost certainly doesn't). That is good because God/Allah is evil from my point of view, based on his deeds. Now, interpreting historical and contemporary events based on vagues statements in a man-made book based on an evil good for which there is no proof - that is simply not-rational. It is a shame people make (bad) decisions based on such delusions (Hamas being formost among them).
Correct. Hamas doesn't recognise the right of anyone other than muslims (in a global Caliphate) to exist, except as slaves (dhimmis). This is a fight tol the death between islam and Enlightenment civilization. There is no compromise that will allow a true muslim to accept the existence of non-muslim states, except as a temporary measure (all muslims believe that sooner or later the whole world will be muslim; many of them are prepared to actively bring this about).
Clueless. Please go an move to Saudi Arabia. Then understand that the Salafis and Wahhabis want to impose that system on you. You will not have a choice. They are *command* to bring Islam to you by the sword if necessary. You cannot negotiate or compromise your existing values you *must submit or die*. Do you think that a war against this is unjust? This is what Israel is fighting against. It is a fight tol the death. If Israel loses then the Islamofascists will move to attacking the West (they have already subverted the United Nations - outlawing Free Speech so no religion can be critized/opposed). It will be a fight to the death again but it will probably be easier for the Islamofascists to win - since suckers lie you will lie down rather than stand up for Enlightenment and Humanist values hard won by your ancestors. Don't be a dhimmi (look up that word, you are already one). Sometimes wars are just, especially wars for Enlightenment values (which is what Israel is struggling to preserve *right now*). I understand your point about the Germans fighting for their country - but that doesn't change the evilness of the Nazi regime and the fact that the Allies were correct in opposing them. The war Israeli is waging right now to protect its civilians is no less just. The war Hamas is waging (to kill every last Jew, or enslave them as dhimmis - as commanded by the insane Qur'an) is not just. How about you grow a spine and stand up for what is right, rather than the rainbow view of an ideal universe?:)
It's not that. The Jew respects your right to life your life the way you want. The Muslim cannot accept this because the Qur'an commands them to not accept this. It is not only about the iolent things you point out, is is also about what you eat, who you talk with, what rights your sister, daughter and mother has, whether you can even question iyour government etc. That is what really matters.
Lol. The war continues because the Salafis wish to re-establish the Caliphate. They're starting on Israel before tackling the West. Fortunately, swathes of dim-witted dhimmis like you will make this go smoothly. If you don't understand what 'Salafis' or 'dhimmis' are then perhaps you are ignorant on what is really going on, yeah? Get the facts bro and get a clue. You are backing islamofascists and opposing the only state with Enligtenment values in the whole accursed region. If you care about human dinity and human rights then your statement is the reverse of what it should be. Stop promoting evil.
Which is why Israel does not send F-16s to the West Bank these days. Since there are now two Palestinian factions (actually killing each other - but that is beside the point) the Israelis do distinguish between them and treat each according to their 'merits'. So wtf was your point?
"Hamas Leader Calls for Two-State Solution" is of course a taqiyyah - a deliberate lie to gain temporary advantage (neutralize the West until Israel is destroyed; and then the establishment of the Caliphate in the West can start in earnest).
The only thing that Israel can do that will satisfy Hamas is to cede Israel to the Caliphate and for all of the non-Mulism Israelis to becoe dhimmis. I understand your post is trying to be even-handed but doing so shows you don't understand the goals of Hamas at all (hint: check out their charter; it is not about ponies and rainbows). By trying to be even-handed you are in-advertently supporting the Islamofacist agenda. Criticise Israel by all means, but don't make the mistake that if Israel gives concessions that Hamas will stop - Hamas will never stop until the Caliphate is established (over the whole World, not just Israel).
Wow. So many unbelievably badly informed anti-Semites on this thread. All posting as ACs, of course. The worldwide conspiracy is not Zionism, it is the intended re-establishment of the Caliphate. However, suckers like you are being distracted by talk of Zionism when it is actually the Islamofacists that are busy remving Free Speech at the UN (one cannnot criticise religions, meaning, Islam).
No. Israel would prefer a permanent peace treay to another temporary ceasefire (basically worthless). They got an opportunity to kill a big terrorist so they did - because doing so was worth far more than another temporary hudna.
You are forgetting the 7000 rockets so far this year. The Israelis got an opportunity to take this guy out and they did.
The other thing you, and many other Slashdotters, also don't understand that all the negotiations were for a 'ceasefire', not a permanent peace treaty. You see, Hamas seeks a ceasefire ('hudna' in Arabic) whenever they are weak. Islam permits such ceasefires to be made with hated enemies to build up strength until the next attack. If Hamas was in a position of strength they do not have to offer hudna to the Israelis.
If Hamas agreed to a peace treaty then Israel would grant it immediately. The thing is, Hamas do not want peace, only ceasefires to build strength. Hamas don't think permanent peace is an option, they believe they have "Allah on their side" and will eventually bring the Caliphate to the entire World (starting with Israel). Now i'm not saying this is logical, but that is how Hamas (and other violent Islamofascist theocracies) thinks.
Absolutely correct. People on Slashdot invent conspiracies about the Illuminati and such but the real worldwide conspiracy at the moment is the stealth movement to bring back what is known as the 'Caliphate'. Britain already has parallel Sharia Law courts. Unles the lameness of poltical correctness is stopped we will not be able to criticise those seeking the establishment of the global Caliphate, and the 'war' of ideas between the Inheritors of the Enlightenment and the Islamofascists will have been lost before most people realise it has started.
Why is unrestrained political correctness an issue? because under the guise of 'niceness', 'tolerance' and 'comunity cohesion' we are appeasing violent Islamic jihadis who care nothing for Western values. Political correctness is used by the Islamic voting bloc in the UN (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Mupoo1At8) to prevent any criticism of Islam.
Wow, where do you live? In New Zealand we don't routinely arm our police, although they do carry firearms secured in the boot of their vehicles. If a youth threatens a cop with a weapon they'll be tasered if that is on hand ir shot if a taser is not available. Youths on the drug P have been carrying golf clubs smashing things up and after warnings from cops they have been shot and killed. If you live in a country even more passive than New Zealand I'd be interested to know.
However, you are missing the real point of this thread. Israel is taking great pains to avoiding killing children,. They have aborted numerous airstrikes (at the cost of hundreds of thousands of shekels) at least according to the IDF YouTube page; they also spend millions inventing the Delilah missile that is designed with an abort option to prevent civilian casualties; they have also sent out 12,000 texts and dropped leaflets to tell civilians to move away from rocket storage facilities.
Hamas, on the other hand cynically launches rockets from house yards and schools - hoping to make 'inoluntary matyrs' of the inhabitants when the Israelis try get the launchers.
So, given that Israel tries to preserve life (of both Israeli and Arab civilians) and Hamas tries to destroy it (of both Israeli and Arab civilians) it should be pretty clear to any unbiased observer who is decent and who is not. Unfortunately, many people are not unbiased and report lies as facts. eg. they slurp up all of Hamas' propaganda due to their misplace hatred of Israel. Example of Hamas lying (as it often does):
Hamas lies routinely, believing falsehoods are permitted by the Islamic principle of Taqiyyah ('religious dissimulation => blatant lying): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya
The UN will never support Israel, because all the Islamic (and often the ex-Communist) states form a voting bloc. Check out this YouTube video, it explains a lot of what goes on in the (now thoroughly corrupted) UN, and why the UN wanted to 'protect religion from criticism) recently - which meant removing Free Speech rights (to criticize the insanity of religion, especially Islam:
Sorry, I accidentally modded this -1 when I meant to mod +1 funny. Too much Jim Beam this afternoon but unfortunately due to the limitations in the Slashdot interface I can't undo my original modification (at least, not in a way I know how to do). Please keep up the good work.
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Oh, and I forgot to add. Do you want to believe in a god that requires human sacrifice. Jesus getting hammered to the cross is exactly that. What an evil deity (fortunately he's only imaginary, given his stupendous level of evilness).
Actually, the doctrine of vicarious redemption is evil and immoral. Believing that Jesus takes away our sins when we commit immorality to others is wrong. Fortunately there is no Invisible Man in the Sky (as desperately as you want to be his slave). There is a Flying Spaghetti Monster though you blesses you with his noodly appendage (prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, you can't, neither is there any evidence of an Invisible Man in the Sky). Stop being a slave. Be good and courageous and moral - that is innate within you whether or not you believe in man-fabricated superstitions. Go on to YouTube and watch some of Christopher Hitchens debates on these issues. If you watch his statements with an open mind you just might learn something - and then you can come back and prove me wrong (but you won't, because his positions have impeccable logic). Pax.
How about total attacks (each rocket launch is an attack on an Israeli civilian). Hmm, your statistics are not representing the true picture, and certainly not representing the intent to target civilians or not. But then, you don't want to look at that. You have your preconceptions and you'll be damned if you are going to let the facts on the ground have Israel be anything other than the Zionist octopus ensnaring the World. Fortunately, most people are reasonable and don't cherry-pick the facts as you do.
I don't dispute your facts. Again you simply don't (or won't) understand the fundamental difference between Israel and Hamas. In Israel the government policy is not to commit war crimes against Palestinian children. Now, soldiers are always soldiers (no matter where they come from) an conscripts are the worst. If an Israeli soldier can be shown to have committed crimes then they are prosecuted *by their own army*. In contrast the entire Hamas charter is anti-Semitic in doctrine. The entire Hamas way of waging war has been judged by the UN as a war crime and possibly a crime against humanity. When Hamas forces commit war crimes (which they do routinely) they are never investigated by Hamas (and therefore never prosecuted). I agree that Israel is not perfect but you must understand they are trying to be. Hamas deliberately tries to kill Israeli children. No reasonable person could condone this, I'm suprised you even try.
Breaking the Silence is controversial and has been criticized for failing to provide evidence for its claims
Anybody can say anything, but you have to provide evidence. Note also that in the Goldstone Report from the last Gaza War many of the alleged atrocities claimed by Hamas to have been committed by the Israelis (and parrotted without verification by the UN and Western media) were found to be without basis in fact (that is, Hamas lied deliberately [called taqiyyah, look it up]). In fact Richard Goldstone himself realised he had been played by Hamas propaganda and withdrew his name from the report (although his reputation was in tatters because he didn't even do basic verification of facts - a cardinal sin in such matters).
Let us look at what the young conscripts in the Israeli Army has to put up with on a daily basis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDohNq9BORo
The use of children (pushed by their parents) to do this is absolutely disgusting. Also look at all the cameramen lurking around like vultures, just waiting until onw soldier has had enough and pushes a child away. That is also disgusting. This is the truth of much of the criticism of th IDF that you are accepting without even questioning it. Even today there have been videos released by Hamas on YouTube of 'innocent' casualties on funeral biers yet later footage shows the person gtting up several minutes later and walking off. Much of what you are accepting as fact is simply staged propaganda. All I ask is for you to check the cross-check facts of any report (including whether Israel has any counter proof; necessary since Hamas stages falsehoods so often).
It is sad that a person like yourself falls for this propaganda. If you care about humanity then learn about how IDF Rules of War embodies cares for civilians (even those from the opposing nations). Also find and read the Hamas charter and see what that has to say. If you care about human values you simply cannot support Hamas.
Like I said, if you are reasonable and can see through the staged or faked propaganda of Hamas you will see that Israel is trying to protect its citizens while minimizing civilians losses in Gaza (ask yourself, if they didn't care about Palestinians then surely the casualty rates would be the same as the Russians storming Grozny, yeah?). However Hamas is trying to kill Israeli civilians while also trying to get its own civilians killed through involuntary matyrdom (that is why they fire rockets from schools and civilian homes).
In Judaism life is sacred, in Islam death is sacred. Are you a reasonable enough person to think about it and spot the fundamental difference? This is why you are mistaken when you bring up unverified reports and completely ignore the hideous and barbaric acts Hamas is perpetrating right now (7000 rockets a year deliberately targetting at civilians cannot be defended by any reasonable person). So cut posting unverified crap, have a think about it (and ffs cross-check your facts!), and be reasonable. k?
The election is certainly a factor. However, you still don't get it. This fight is to the death. It is Israel (Enlightenment values) vs Hamas (jihadist Caliphate dictatorship). Somehow you are trying to back the faction that doesn't believe in human/womens/homosexual/religious/scientific freedoms - in fact if you are from another muslim party (eg. Fatah) you get thrown off buildings (as Hamas did to Fatah members when they took over Gaza). Either you are ignorant of Hamas' true agenda (a worldwide non-optional islamic dictatorship called the Caliphate) or your hatred of Israel (and its Western values) has allowed you to excuse Hamas' war crimes (eg around 7000 rockets targetted at *civilians* so far this year). Either way, you are defending an evil regime while opposing a UN member country from defending its citizens. Don't support evil.
Yes, it is very unfortunate that Palestinian children are killed. Even the Israelis acknowledge this. But if you are reasonable you will also acknowledge what I said, that the Israelis are taking great pains to avoid killing children. Unlike Hamas, Israel does not deliberately target civilians - even though the video footage that is emerging shows Hamas firing its rockets from civilian infrastructure. If you take Richard Goldstone's retractions out you also see that it is Hamas that commits general war crimes (although you probably close your eyes to that, or try justify the evil in some way) whereas there were three proven violations of Israeli military law (allf of which were punshed; none of the Hamas war crimes were bothered to be investigated by Hamas, their outlook is truly barbaric). So, how about you do some digging and get real facts, please.
Great link.
As explained in that link, that is exactly why I mention the specific term 'hudna' and because of the implications that hudna has for Muslims (slightly different than their other words for ceasefire). Basically as long as Hamas uses the term hudna in its statements (and it does) you know it is not committed to peace. They are only using hudna as break between offenses to build strength, and fool Europeans/New Leftists that they have any interested other than the complete conquest of Israel (which, if you look at their charter, is one of their principal aims).
How does a rational actor (eg. Israel) go about negotiating with that attitude/religious belief? The Israelis tried but have come to the conclusion it is pointless (eg. Ehuk Barak offering pretty decent terms in 2000 at Camp David). Maybe it is not pointless but I can certainly see how the Israelis can't see the point in negotiating against a party that is only interested in temporary hudna, and never in true peace (salaam).
I hope my posts have pointed the way for further research directions for those interested in the reasons why peace won't come to the region (IMHO because the jihadis believe they are commanded to kill or enslave all unbelievers, and Hamas subscribes to that notion; everything else is tactical breaks 'hudna' or tactical falsehoods 'taqiyya' to neuter reasonable Westerners that would otherwise see their true global intention).
Prophecy? lol, you believe in the Invisible Man in the Sky? fortunately there is *zero* proof that he exists. He may or may not exist, but there is zero proof that he does (which means he almost certainly doesn't). That is good because God/Allah is evil from my point of view, based on his deeds. Now, interpreting historical and contemporary events based on vagues statements in a man-made book based on an evil good for which there is no proof - that is simply not-rational. It is a shame people make (bad) decisions based on such delusions (Hamas being formost among them).
Correct. Hamas doesn't recognise the right of anyone other than muslims (in a global Caliphate) to exist, except as slaves (dhimmis). This is a fight tol the death between islam and Enlightenment civilization. There is no compromise that will allow a true muslim to accept the existence of non-muslim states, except as a temporary measure (all muslims believe that sooner or later the whole world will be muslim; many of them are prepared to actively bring this about).
Clueless. Please go an move to Saudi Arabia. Then understand that the Salafis and Wahhabis want to impose that system on you. You will not have a choice. They are *command* to bring Islam to you by the sword if necessary. You cannot negotiate or compromise your existing values you *must submit or die*. Do you think that a war against this is unjust? This is what Israel is fighting against. It is a fight tol the death. If Israel loses then the Islamofascists will move to attacking the West (they have already subverted the United Nations - outlawing Free Speech so no religion can be critized/opposed). It will be a fight to the death again but it will probably be easier for the Islamofascists to win - since suckers lie you will lie down rather than stand up for Enlightenment and Humanist values hard won by your ancestors. Don't be a dhimmi (look up that word, you are already one). Sometimes wars are just, especially wars for Enlightenment values (which is what Israel is struggling to preserve *right now*). I understand your point about the Germans fighting for their country - but that doesn't change the evilness of the Nazi regime and the fact that the Allies were correct in opposing them. The war Israeli is waging right now to protect its civilians is no less just. The war Hamas is waging (to kill every last Jew, or enslave them as dhimmis - as commanded by the insane Qur'an) is not just. How about you grow a spine and stand up for what is right, rather than the rainbow view of an ideal universe? :)
It's not that. The Jew respects your right to life your life the way you want. The Muslim cannot accept this because the Qur'an commands them to not accept this. It is not only about the iolent things you point out, is is also about what you eat, who you talk with, what rights your sister, daughter and mother has, whether you can even question iyour government etc. That is what really matters.
True. The Brotherhood wants the Caliphate back.
Lol. The war continues because the Salafis wish to re-establish the Caliphate. They're starting on Israel before tackling the West. Fortunately, swathes of dim-witted dhimmis like you will make this go smoothly. If you don't understand what 'Salafis' or 'dhimmis' are then perhaps you are ignorant on what is really going on, yeah? Get the facts bro and get a clue. You are backing islamofascists and opposing the only state with Enligtenment values in the whole accursed region. If you care about human dinity and human rights then your statement is the reverse of what it should be. Stop promoting evil.
Which is why Israel does not send F-16s to the West Bank these days. Since there are now two Palestinian factions (actually killing each other - but that is beside the point) the Israelis do distinguish between them and treat each according to their 'merits'. So wtf was your point?
This damned thread is infested with immature trolls.
"Hamas Leader Calls for Two-State Solution" is of course a taqiyyah - a deliberate lie to gain temporary advantage (neutralize the West until Israel is destroyed; and then the establishment of the Caliphate in the West can start in earnest).
The only thing that Israel can do that will satisfy Hamas is to cede Israel to the Caliphate and for all of the non-Mulism Israelis to becoe dhimmis. I understand your post is trying to be even-handed but doing so shows you don't understand the goals of Hamas at all (hint: check out their charter; it is not about ponies and rainbows). By trying to be even-handed you are in-advertently supporting the Islamofacist agenda. Criticise Israel by all means, but don't make the mistake that if Israel gives concessions that Hamas will stop - Hamas will never stop until the Caliphate is established (over the whole World, not just Israel).
Wow. So many unbelievably badly informed anti-Semites on this thread. All posting as ACs, of course. The worldwide conspiracy is not Zionism, it is the intended re-establishment of the Caliphate. However, suckers like you are being distracted by talk of Zionism when it is actually the Islamofacists that are busy remving Free Speech at the UN (one cannnot criticise religions, meaning, Islam).
No. Israel would prefer a permanent peace treay to another temporary ceasefire (basically worthless). They got an opportunity to kill a big terrorist so they did - because doing so was worth far more than another temporary hudna.
You are forgetting the 7000 rockets so far this year. The Israelis got an opportunity to take this guy out and they did.
The other thing you, and many other Slashdotters, also don't understand that all the negotiations were for a 'ceasefire', not a permanent peace treaty. You see, Hamas seeks a ceasefire ('hudna' in Arabic) whenever they are weak. Islam permits such ceasefires to be made with hated enemies to build up strength until the next attack. If Hamas was in a position of strength they do not have to offer hudna to the Israelis.
If Hamas agreed to a peace treaty then Israel would grant it immediately. The thing is, Hamas do not want peace, only ceasefires to build strength. Hamas don't think permanent peace is an option, they believe they have "Allah on their side" and will eventually bring the Caliphate to the entire World (starting with Israel). Now i'm not saying this is logical, but that is how Hamas (and other violent Islamofascist theocracies) thinks.
Bullshit. There are open areas in Gaza and Rafah. Stop making excuses for those crazies who want 'involuntary matyrdom' for their own children.
Absolutely correct. People on Slashdot invent conspiracies about the Illuminati and such but the real worldwide conspiracy at the moment is the stealth movement to bring back what is known as the 'Caliphate'. Britain already has parallel Sharia Law courts. Unles the lameness of poltical correctness is stopped we will not be able to criticise those seeking the establishment of the global Caliphate, and the 'war' of ideas between the Inheritors of the Enlightenment and the Islamofascists will have been lost before most people realise it has started.
Why is unrestrained political correctness an issue? because under the guise of 'niceness', 'tolerance' and 'comunity cohesion' we are appeasing violent Islamic jihadis who care nothing for Western values. Political correctness is used by the Islamic voting bloc in the UN (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Mupoo1At8) to prevent any criticism of Islam.
Don't appease, opppose!
Wow, where do you live? In New Zealand we don't routinely arm our police, although they do carry firearms secured in the boot of their vehicles. If a youth threatens a cop with a weapon they'll be tasered if that is on hand ir shot if a taser is not available. Youths on the drug P have been carrying golf clubs smashing things up and after warnings from cops they have been shot and killed. If you live in a country even more passive than New Zealand I'd be interested to know.
However, you are missing the real point of this thread. Israel is taking great pains to avoiding killing children,. They have aborted numerous airstrikes (at the cost of hundreds of thousands of shekels) at least according to the IDF YouTube page; they also spend millions inventing the Delilah missile that is designed with an abort option to prevent civilian casualties; they have also sent out 12,000 texts and dropped leaflets to tell civilians to move away from rocket storage facilities.
Hamas, on the other hand cynically launches rockets from house yards and schools - hoping to make 'inoluntary matyrs' of the inhabitants when the Israelis try get the launchers.
So, given that Israel tries to preserve life (of both Israeli and Arab civilians) and Hamas tries to destroy it (of both Israeli and Arab civilians) it should be pretty clear to any unbiased observer who is decent and who is not. Unfortunately, many people are not unbiased and report lies as facts. eg. they slurp up all of Hamas' propaganda due to their misplace hatred of Israel. Example of Hamas lying (as it often does):
Hamas' Claims: True or False?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWSuWFbiYGM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl0lMjI1d5c
Hamas lies routinely, believing falsehoods are permitted by the Islamic principle of Taqiyyah ('religious dissimulation => blatant lying):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya
The UN will never support Israel, because all the Islamic (and often the ex-Communist) states form a voting bloc. Check out this YouTube video, it explains a lot of what goes on in the (now thoroughly corrupted) UN, and why the UN wanted to 'protect religion from criticism) recently - which meant removing Free Speech rights (to criticize the insanity of religion, especially Islam:
Understanding UN Bias Against Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Mupoo1At8
Sorry, I accidentally modded this -1 when I meant to mod +1 funny. Too much Jim Beam this afternoon but unfortunately due to the limitations in the Slashdot interface I can't undo my original modification (at least, not in a way I know how to do). Please keep up the good work.