Let's say a Chinese worker gets $1.50/hr ($17 for an 11.3 hr day).
Let's say "US like wages" are 10x - $15/hr. So, $170 in wages or $153 more per day.
That's just a little more than TWO iPads that cost $70 each, more, to produce. This implies a worker only makes 2.2 iPads a day? Something doesn't add up. I know there is more than one worker needed - just a WAG, let's say there are 100 workers on an assembly line - surly you get more than 220 iPads out the end of the line per day, no?
The article indicates a lot more factors than just that.
But where will you find 100,000 Americans within 30 minutes of a mega-factory that can hold 100,000 people on an assembly line? Where those Americans are willing to work 60 hour weeks on a shift basis doing extremely repetitive assembly work?
The Economist ran an article about China's balance of trade last week which included a breakdown of the value (price) of an iPad. Just over 50% was costs, the rest was profit, of which 30% to Apple (the rest to others in the supply chain). Chinese labour costs were minimal at 2%. They could perhaps reduce their profits to redistribute wealth from their execs/shareholders to the workers.
That is more what I was thinking, instead of adding to the price. If those #Occupy people practiced what they preached, Apple stores would be under siege instead of being mobbed by weeping customers at the loss of Dear Leader.
This sounds like they are taking the wrong lessons from Red China. Younger people who come to the US for school from China never heard of Tienanmen Square! Thai people seem more informed, but not for long.
$17 a day? http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20006559&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-37 suggests salary is about $170 per month so more like $5 a day, and how many hours do they work? 100 hours a week would not be unusual for Chinese factory labor. So hourly rate is many times less than US equivalent.
Posted a link on this thread from a NYT article. It quoted an Apple executive for the $17 number and that iPods built paying US wages would only be $68 more.
Some recent article about Steve Jobs quoted an Apple executive saying paying US wages in mainland China (instead of $17/day) would only increase the price of an iPad by $70.
And if you were going to pay US wages you could always, I don't know, build the damn thing in America?
I'm not exactly a Buy American nazi, but if the flagship products of greenwashing high-end manufacturers can't be built here, then what can?
Maybe not. The Chinese allow business to setup differently than we do here in America: See this recent NYT article.
It is hard to estimate how much more it would cost to build iPhones in the United States. However, various academics and manufacturing analysts estimate that because labor is such a small part of technology manufacturing, paying American wages would add up to $65 to each iPhone’s expense. Since Apple’s profits are often hundreds of dollars per phone, building domestically, in theory, would still give the company a healthy reward.
It is hard to estimate how much more it would cost to build iPhones in the United States. However, various academics and manufacturing analysts estimate that because labor is such a small part of technology manufacturing, paying American wages would add up to $65 to each iPhone’s expense. Since Apple’s profits are often hundreds of dollars per phone, building domestically, in theory, would still give the company a healthy reward.
If the sheer number of Apple devices at any given Occupy protest are any indication, it would seem the professional protestors who usually lead this kind of thing are going to bend over backwards to give Apple a free pass on just about anything. Christ, there were Occupy protestors CRYING the day Steve Jobs died--even as they rallied against our corporate overlords (with no sense of the irony at all). So unless you can sell them on the idea that Tim Cook has somehow corrupted their beloved Apple in the last few months, I would say your chances are pretty much nil.
And this isn't meant as flamebait. Seriously, go to an Occupy protest sometime and just look at the sheer number of Mac's, iPhones, and iPads you'll see. It's fucking creepy. They've been for shit at organizing on any other point, but they've apparently almost all agreed on at least *one* thing.
I am surprised that the Apple community does not go after Apple about wages like other did about the Nike plants outside the USA. Some recent article about Steve Jobs quoted an Apple executive saying paying US wages in mainland China (instead of $17/day) would only increase the price of an iPad by $70.
No, our current group are bound by a one sided legal treaty signed in by Labour. The current group are looking for a way to end the agreement legally (as it's not great for business; I suspect citizens are an also ran, but useful flag to wave). That's the thing with international law and diplomacy, you can't easily turn around and say "We don't like it anymore, so screw you". Well, not without screwing up your international reputation and ability to strike future agreements. It needs to be done carefully.
Doesn't the UK regularly refuse to extradite accused criminals that may be subject to capital punishment in the US and other countries? They refuse US demands when they want to and in this case, it looks like they just don't want to.
The article, however, spoke of the conflict of IT companies that had interests in the U.S., who may be forced to obey U.S. law. Specifically, the story is about the privacy commissioner of my province (Alberta) recommending that our government only use companies with no U.S. connections to guarantee the privacy of the data.
That means no American companies, no outsourcing to the U.S., and no data storage in the United States. The U.S. are international lepers in the privacy world and should be avoided at all costs.
If the person in question is not a US citizen and not in the US, then it is ultimately up to her or his country of citizenship and country where they are located if any state cooperation is given at all.
From my personal limited knowledge, sometimes it works like "hey, call the local utility company anonymously and say there are suds coming out of the street drain/a strange smell by XYZ Corp" with XYZ being a competitor.
If the science for climate change continues to pan out for another fifty or hundred years, then maybe those people denying it can be classified as cranks. Right now, though, it's ridiculous to claim that climate change is as well established as evolution. That's insulting to the theory of evolution.
I thought one of the fundamental aspects of modern empirical science is that, unlike a religion, it is ALWAYS open to revision and dispute. That's the whole point of the scientific method. Whether there is a significant modern consensus or not, I think it goes against the core spirit of scientific inquiry to EVER say "This matter is settled and no future scientist may ever question it." That's the very kind of anti-empirical position the Creationists themselves take in presenting their religious take on science.
And I'm certainly glad for Einstein's sake that no one ever thought this way about Newtonian physics. "Sorry little German, the matter is settled. Stop being a Newton denier."
Precisely! That is the problem. This particular science is being elevated to religious status by a chorus of 'true believers' and anybody who questions it is deemed a heretic.
bugs being smashed in electical components has already happened, lots of times in history. Here's one of the first properly documented cases of it, from 1947:
Thank you! Looks like things have improved since my last attempt. If I ever decide to write another, I will not be as intimidated by the conversion process.
I found the whole process of converting my word document, which looked great when printed, into the Kindle format a total chore. It was so bad that I had my best friend finish it and publish it under his Kindle account. That was a couple of years ago and maybe things have changed. I guess having eBook readers read Word documents is too much of a leap.
Exactly! Any old blockage could prevent fuel from getting through the fuel line. Same with the oxidizer. Even smashing a bug under an electrical component could cause a failure.
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Let's say a Chinese worker gets $1.50/hr ($17 for an 11.3 hr day).
Let's say "US like wages" are 10x - $15/hr. So, $170 in wages or $153 more per day.
That's just a little more than TWO iPads that cost $70 each, more, to produce. This implies a worker only makes 2.2 iPads a day? Something doesn't add up. I know there is more than one worker needed - just a WAG, let's say there are 100 workers on an assembly line - surly you get more than 220 iPads out the end of the line per day, no?
The article indicates a lot more factors than just that.
But where will you find 100,000 Americans within 30 minutes of a mega-factory that can hold 100,000 people on an assembly line?
Where those Americans are willing to work 60 hour weeks on a shift basis doing extremely repetitive assembly work?
Detroit?
It has a different name there. something along the lines of "The date it happened-Riots" and isn't seen in the same light
Not from the people I meet. It is totally unknown.
The Economist ran an article about China's balance of trade last week which included a breakdown of the value (price) of an iPad. Just over 50% was costs, the rest was profit, of which 30% to Apple (the rest to others in the supply chain). Chinese labour costs were minimal at 2%. They could perhaps reduce their profits to redistribute wealth from their execs/shareholders to the workers.
http://www.economist.com/node/21543174
That is more what I was thinking, instead of adding to the price. If those #Occupy people practiced what they preached, Apple stores would be under siege instead of being mobbed by weeping customers at the loss of Dear Leader.
This sounds like they are taking the wrong lessons from Red China. Younger people who come to the US for school from China never heard of Tienanmen Square! Thai people seem more informed, but not for long.
$17 a day? http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20006559&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-37 suggests salary is about $170 per month so more like $5 a day, and how many hours do they work? 100 hours a week would not be unusual for Chinese factory labor. So hourly rate is many times less than US equivalent.
Posted a link on this thread from a NYT article. It quoted an Apple executive for the $17 number and that iPods built paying US wages would only be $68 more.
Some recent article about Steve Jobs quoted an Apple executive saying paying US wages in mainland China (instead of $17/day) would only increase the price of an iPad by $70.
And if you were going to pay US wages you could always, I don't know, build the damn thing in America?
I'm not exactly a Buy American nazi, but if the flagship products of greenwashing high-end manufacturers can't be built here, then what can?
Maybe not. The Chinese allow business to setup differently than we do here in America:
See this recent NYT article.
This
If the sheer number of Apple devices at any given Occupy protest are any indication, it would seem the professional protestors who usually lead this kind of thing are going to bend over backwards to give Apple a free pass on just about anything. Christ, there were Occupy protestors CRYING the day Steve Jobs died--even as they rallied against our corporate overlords (with no sense of the irony at all). So unless you can sell them on the idea that Tim Cook has somehow corrupted their beloved Apple in the last few months, I would say your chances are pretty much nil.
And this isn't meant as flamebait. Seriously, go to an Occupy protest sometime and just look at the sheer number of Mac's, iPhones, and iPads you'll see. It's fucking creepy. They've been for shit at organizing on any other point, but they've apparently almost all agreed on at least *one* thing.
I am surprised that the Apple community does not go after Apple about wages like other did about the Nike plants outside the USA. Some recent article about Steve Jobs quoted an Apple executive saying paying US wages in mainland China (instead of $17/day) would only increase the price of an iPad by $70.
Now, all of you other big smartie investor types, quit falling for phishing scams!
I'm not surprised... TSA is a cancer.
Just like the rest of the government.
No, our current group are bound by a one sided legal treaty signed in by Labour. The current group are looking for a way to end the agreement legally (as it's not great for business; I suspect citizens are an also ran, but useful flag to wave).
That's the thing with international law and diplomacy, you can't easily turn around and say "We don't like it anymore, so screw you". Well, not without screwing up your international reputation and ability to strike future agreements. It needs to be done carefully.
Doesn't the UK regularly refuse to extradite accused criminals that may be subject to capital punishment in the US and other countries? They refuse US demands when they want to and in this case, it looks like they just don't want to.
They are free to ignore the demands, true.
The article, however, spoke of the conflict of IT companies that had interests in the U.S., who may be forced to obey U.S. law. Specifically, the story is about the privacy commissioner of my province (Alberta) recommending that our government only use companies with no U.S. connections to guarantee the privacy of the data.
That means no American companies, no outsourcing to the U.S., and no data storage in the United States. The U.S. are international lepers in the privacy world and should be avoided at all costs.
If the person in question is not a US citizen and not in the US, then it is ultimately up to her or his country of citizenship and country where they are located if any state cooperation is given at all.
Sovereignty does have a few perks.
Well, that demand doesn't need to be answered.
^^This^^
Other governments do not have to bow down to every 'request' and demand of the United States.
From my personal limited knowledge, sometimes it works like "hey, call the local utility company anonymously and say there are suds coming out of the street drain/a strange smell by XYZ Corp" with XYZ being a competitor.
The moral is: Don't leave your windows open if you don't want anybody to see and hear what you do.
That's nice, but aren't the lights on for safety reasons? I mean, if they weren't serving any use, people wouldn't have them in the first place.
Don't tell those villagers that or they will be in the streets with torches and pitchforks.
No.
If the science for climate change continues to pan out for another fifty or hundred years, then maybe those people denying it can be classified as cranks. Right now, though, it's ridiculous to claim that climate change is as well established as evolution. That's insulting to the theory of evolution.
Or even as well established as meteorology.
I thought one of the fundamental aspects of modern empirical science is that, unlike a religion, it is ALWAYS open to revision and dispute. That's the whole point of the scientific method. Whether there is a significant modern consensus or not, I think it goes against the core spirit of scientific inquiry to EVER say "This matter is settled and no future scientist may ever question it." That's the very kind of anti-empirical position the Creationists themselves take in presenting their religious take on science.
And I'm certainly glad for Einstein's sake that no one ever thought this way about Newtonian physics. "Sorry little German, the matter is settled. Stop being a Newton denier."
Precisely! That is the problem. This particular science is being elevated to religious status by a chorus of 'true believers' and anybody who questions it is deemed a heretic.
bugs being smashed in electical components has already happened, lots of times in history.
Here's one of the first properly documented cases of it, from 1947:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h96000/h96566k.jpg
That is the one I was thinking of,
There's a good tutorial on Amazon's Kindle site here on how to build Kindle books with Word - https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A2RYO17TIRUIVI
Thank you! Looks like things have improved since my last attempt. If I ever decide to write another, I will not be as intimidated by the conversion process.
BTW, If we get rid of publishers, we lose the editor. Get ready for 1,000 page epics about cats.
The rise of the freelance editor!
You know that an industry is way overcharging if buying a $500 tablet to buy cheaper books is a desirable option.
Exactly!
However, I am also in unison with the others who expect expensive eTBooks and only marginal increased utility.
I found the whole process of converting my word document, which looked great when printed, into the Kindle format a total chore. It was so bad that I had my best friend finish it and publish it under his Kindle account. That was a couple of years ago and maybe things have changed. I guess having eBook readers read Word documents is too much of a leap.
Exactly! Any old blockage could prevent fuel from getting through the fuel line. Same with the oxidizer. Even smashing a bug under an electrical component could cause a failure.