How the hell is this a troll? It's a fact. Examples; Norton Antivirus 2000, McAfee Antivirus (many of their versions) both of these products repeatedly caused systems to crash. These are just a few examples and while they have got much better in their later versions the internet is full of junk that mucks up windows pretty bad... Registry cleaners come to mind.
I also worked for Canon in 1999 doing tech support and the Canon Creative software also caused a lot of windows 98 systems to totally crash that and the Canon 610/620 Windows Printing System. Canon had to make special drivers after it broke so many peoples computers.
Just because there is a law to handle this doesn't mean it is the end all if it is ineffectual.
I guess something we can both agree on. Honestly I respect what you are saying and I think we both are trying to get to the same place.
1. Using technology for law enforcement is not wrong and is a good thing when done with the proper warrant/oversight. 2. Corporations just as any citizen should work with law enforcement when the proper protocal is followed.
The man difference seems to be that you feel legislation is in order to address wireless since it involves a newer technology and there might be some confusion where-as I feel with a warrant in hand from a judge the police already have the right to have a phone turned on.
Regardless both our points seem moot because in this case the cops didn't seem to try and get a warrant and instead spent their time trying to figure out how to pay a $20 phone bill. Perhaps you are correct that if the issue was legislated it would not have been so confusing... I donno it just seems that even without a warrant in this case there was a vested public interest in turning the phone on not that I would be ok with anything other than medical care without a warrant, ie if the police had got the phone turned on and then tried to charge the man with some crime without having a warrant it should be tossed out.
For your reference here is the section of my prevous message that you ignored explaining how our existing law should work and why a special new law is not needed if the system was streamlined.
Cop see's crazy guy running off with several bottles of pills, cop types in statement on his car's computer which then sends it to the local court house marked urgent. Judge on duty reads report, judge transmits warrant back to cop, cop calls cell phone provider, they ask cop to fax info - which is no problem because he has a fracking computer in his car, cell phone people turn on the damn phone. All of this should not take more than 30 minutes tops. If it takes longer something is wrong. Goto point A... Point Q - At least 1 judge should always be on duty 24/7 365.25
umm ok if you say so... I've talked with the cops and some public defenders in the past few years have you? What proof do you offer? I at least have something to base my views on and I'm really not sure why you keep attempting say I am somehow detracting from the discussion by offering a valid point.
There is already a law that handles this, we don't need another one. Just streamline the system, and decrease unnecessary input into the system. What good are laws when nobody knows what to do for case X vs case Y... How would your new law differ from what we already have? I fail to understand so please enlighten me?
I fail to see how any of this doesn't make sense to you but I am willing to disagree... ae
No, the purpose of the ISS is to justify the stupid space shuttle, and by extension, a directionless NASA seeking to maintain its budget
O ok then I have a direction for NASA. Self sufficient human colonies on the moon and then mars to avoid the possibility of the total extinction of the human race... that sounds worth wild and would probably create some good tech jobs...and flippin lasers...
Your story makes no sense in response to my post. Good job going way out of left field there. What does your friend setting fire to his ex's building have anything to do with police getting assistance from a wireless provider?
Waiting 1 year for a trail because the system is over taxed by random arrests was the point and since you are under the impression I was making up random stuff I figured I'd add some details of my experiences. If that is left field than ok...
You are the one who was advocating a new law for this exact case while I was trying to show that there is no point to that and it only hurts law enforcement to have too many laws and that common sense needs to be added back to the legal process...
Yes, we are. Large organizations (both private and public) are already sufficiently dependent on the internet even without the Cloud
Well then Gee lets hope no one ever figures out they can blow up 4 or 5 buildings to totally disable our entire economy...
BOSS: "Why aren't you WORKING Jeb!" JEB: "Sorry sir, someone blew up the internet.. I can't type up that To-DO list you needed." BOSS: "Can't you just use paper?" JEB: "No sir, remember when the board decided to go totally paperless last fall?" BOSS: "No... I honestly never pay attention in those meetings." JEB: "O ok... well then you should know they also gave me a raise and access to the company hooker." BOSS: "O all right she's in the board room... carry on Jeb.." JEB: "O yes... yes I will indeed sir...
I am not making this up... An untagged / unlicensed plated / no markings on it dump truck slung a rock smashing a hole in my cars windshield. The dump truck driver refused to stop. When I asked the sheriff about it he said he didn't know what the law was now regarding dump truck tags but that he did know it was different than other vehicles. We then got to talking.
It does extend the prison system as my friend spent a YEAR in jail waiting for a trail two years ago. His name is Ken and he set fire to the building his ex was in. (BTW, she deserves to die but that is another story) But anyway my point is if the police don't know who to arrest anymore and just pickup everyone they think might have broke the law it very much does extend the system.
I'm all for the police using someone's cell phone to track a crazy person down. I don't really think we need a special law for it. I'm pretty sure the existing laws are there. Evidence + Warrant = turn the damn phone on... As far as it taking too long to get a warrant see point A.
Here is how the shit should have went down -
Cop see's crazy guy running off with several bottles of pills, cop types in statement on his car's computer which then sends it to the local court house marked urgent. Judge on duty reads report, judge transmits warrant back to cop, cop calls cell phone provider, they ask cop to fax info - which is no problem because he has a fracking computer in his car, cell phone people turn on the damn phone. All of this should not take more than 30 minutes tops. If it takes longer something is wrong. Goto point A... Point Q - At least 1 judge should always be on duty 24/7 365.25
I was under the impression that they had to make a virgin sacrifice or something? (female virgin)
All they gotta do is enter some more zeros at a terminal? They don't even need any one's just some crummy Zero's?? DAMN I'm really surprised they don't do it more often... in fact.. i wonder if I can do this at my local bank....
One more point, posted in violation of slashdot rules...
Isn't part of the reason we have a space station to learn how to fix stuff when it breaks? How are we ever going to explore space if we have to head back home because the widget broke three months into our trip to mars. (yea I am aware that returning could not be possible due to the orbital differential of mars/earth and the thrust requirements or whatever... I mean, I did watch a Discovery Channel special once so that DOES make me an expert you know...
I wonder if they are going to have a big "red" button installed that they can push.. I sure as hell would...
Honestly I think this is pretty damn smart.. might as well use something until it breaks if it costs ungodly amounts of money to put up there in the first place..
I mean do the odds of someone dying really increase any? My understanding is a pea sized object can kill them all at any time anyhow, that or the sun can get pissed off and kill them all... ae
Plus I was trying to be extra funny by including the secret slashdot +5 mod directive - ", I got karma to burn" but it did not work. And for the record NO BTG 2008 did not suck... It had everything needed not to suck.. explosions, space travel, && sex crazed alien doppelgangers plus orbital nuk-u-la bombardment...
A few months back I had an interesting encounter with a local law enforcement agent who willing informed me that they often times have no idea if someone has committed a crime or is just being an asshole. This just because of the shear number of laws and ordinances here in western NC.
Law's are a great thing but thinking you can pass a law for every little thing leads to what we now have in this country. That being a prison system drawing huge amounts of tax payer money and not enough money to properly train and maintain law enforcement bodies. Add to that a public that is growing more and more use to the idea of being criminals for exercising fair-use (not even talking about p2p here.) (My mom knows it's illegal to make a copy of a cd she owns for her car even though that should be fair-use.) (And yes having to fear going to court and paying huge sums of money is equal to it being illegal in normal peoples minds, sony root kit anyone?)
Whatever happened to freedom? Should I now hire a full time lawyer to follow me around and instruct me on how to live my life? At what point does it become too much to enforce every law? 100? 1000? 10,000? or a millon of them?
Seems to me we already have too many and that we need to start folding them into each other and granting judges more say. Mandatory fines and sentencing was a very bad idea. Hell I can goto jail for 30 years for cracking a windows xp password of a person's computer that they rightfully own and have simply forgot their password. Murder... 4 years or so.... makes great since people...
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How the hell is this a troll? It's a fact. Examples; Norton Antivirus 2000, McAfee Antivirus (many of their versions) both of these products repeatedly caused systems to crash. These are just a few examples and while they have got much better in their later versions the internet is full of junk that mucks up windows pretty bad... Registry cleaners come to mind.
I also worked for Canon in 1999 doing tech support and the Canon Creative software also caused a lot of windows 98 systems to totally crash that and the Canon 610/620 Windows Printing System. Canon had to make special drivers after it broke so many peoples computers.
Whoever modded the above troll is a troll,
ae
It's funny when you come to Linux from a Windows enviroment and you see how just one package can bring down the system.
I've seen more than one windows program bring down a whole system...
(otherwise cannabilism would be a lot more prevalent).
You say that now but just wait until the Zombie Uprising of 2012 (tm)
Might as well bring bacteria and other life as well and contaminate away..
Yes we already did that so what is the next step? ... profit? http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/08/the-dirt-on-mar/
Just because there is a law to handle this doesn't mean it is the end all if it is ineffectual.
I guess something we can both agree on. Honestly I respect what you are saying and I think we both are trying to get to the same place.
1. Using technology for law enforcement is not wrong and is a good thing when done with the proper warrant/oversight.
2. Corporations just as any citizen should work with law enforcement when the proper protocal is followed.
The man difference seems to be that you feel legislation is in order to address wireless since it involves a newer technology and there might be some confusion where-as I feel with a warrant in hand from a judge the police already have the right to have a phone turned on.
Regardless both our points seem moot because in this case the cops didn't seem to try and get a warrant and instead spent their time trying to figure out how to pay a $20 phone bill. Perhaps you are correct that if the issue was legislated it would not have been so confusing... I donno it just seems that even without a warrant in this case there was a vested public interest in turning the phone on not that I would be ok with anything other than medical care without a warrant, ie if the police had got the phone turned on and then tried to charge the man with some crime without having a warrant it should be tossed out.
ae
For your reference here is the section of my prevous message that you ignored explaining how our existing law should work and why a special new law is not needed if the system was streamlined.
Cop see's crazy guy running off with several bottles of pills, cop types in statement on his car's computer which then sends it to the local court house marked urgent. Judge on duty reads report, judge transmits warrant back to cop, cop calls cell phone provider, they ask cop to fax info - which is no problem because he has a fracking computer in his car, cell phone people turn on the damn phone. All of this should not take more than 30 minutes tops. If it takes longer something is wrong. Goto point A... Point Q - At least 1 judge should always be on duty 24/7 365.25
umm ok if you say so... I've talked with the cops and some public defenders in the past few years have you? What proof do you offer? I at least have something to base my views on and I'm really not sure why you keep attempting say I am somehow detracting from the discussion by offering a valid point.
There is already a law that handles this, we don't need another one. Just streamline the system, and decrease unnecessary input into the system. What good are laws when nobody knows what to do for case X vs case Y... How would your new law differ from what we already have? I fail to understand so please enlighten me?
I fail to see how any of this doesn't make sense to you but I am willing to disagree...
ae
Relative to the planets aligning, yes.
Good point but it also depends on your seat and flight numbers as well...
I Hex U!
ae
No, the purpose of the ISS is to justify the stupid space shuttle, and by extension, a directionless NASA seeking to maintain its budget
O ok then I have a direction for NASA. Self sufficient human colonies on the moon and then mars to avoid the possibility of the total extinction of the human race... that sounds worth wild and would probably create some good tech jobs...and flippin lasers...
ae
Your story makes no sense in response to my post. Good job going way out of left field there. What does your friend setting fire to his ex's building have anything to do with police getting assistance from a wireless provider?
Waiting 1 year for a trail because the system is over taxed by random arrests was the point and since you are under the impression I was making up random stuff I figured I'd add some details of my experiences. If that is left field than ok...
You are the one who was advocating a new law for this exact case while I was trying to show that there is no point to that and it only hurts law enforcement to have too many laws and that common sense needs to be added back to the legal process...
ae
Yes, we are. Large organizations (both private and public) are already sufficiently dependent on the internet even without the Cloud
Well then Gee lets hope no one ever figures out they can blow up 4 or 5 buildings to totally disable our entire economy...
BOSS: "Why aren't you WORKING Jeb!"
JEB: "Sorry sir, someone blew up the internet.. I can't type up that To-DO list you needed."
BOSS: "Can't you just use paper?"
JEB: "No sir, remember when the board decided to go totally paperless last fall?"
BOSS: "No... I honestly never pay attention in those meetings."
JEB: "O ok... well then you should know they also gave me a raise and access to the company hooker."
BOSS: "O all right she's in the board room... carry on Jeb.."
JEB: "O yes... yes I will indeed sir...
ae
I am not making this up... An untagged / unlicensed plated / no markings on it dump truck slung a rock smashing a hole in my cars windshield. The dump truck driver refused to stop. When I asked the sheriff about it he said he didn't know what the law was now regarding dump truck tags but that he did know it was different than other vehicles. We then got to talking.
It does extend the prison system as my friend spent a YEAR in jail waiting for a trail two years ago. His name is Ken and he set fire to the building his ex was in. (BTW, she deserves to die but that is another story) But anyway my point is if the police don't know who to arrest anymore and just pickup everyone they think might have broke the law it very much does extend the system.
I'm all for the police using someone's cell phone to track a crazy person down. I don't really think we need a special law for it. I'm pretty sure the existing laws are there. Evidence + Warrant = turn the damn phone on... As far as it taking too long to get a warrant see point A.
Here is how the shit should have went down -
Cop see's crazy guy running off with several bottles of pills, cop types in statement on his car's computer which then sends it to the local court house marked urgent. Judge on duty reads report, judge transmits warrant back to cop, cop calls cell phone provider, they ask cop to fax info - which is no problem because he has a fracking computer in his car, cell phone people turn on the damn phone. All of this should not take more than 30 minutes tops. If it takes longer something is wrong. Goto point A... Point Q - At least 1 judge should always be on duty 24/7 365.25
ae
LoL... yes a radio you can never remove...
Yes just one more reason to take off work if the internet goes down... I think this whole cloud stuff is a good idea if run on a local server...
Over the internet? Are we really THAT insane?
ae
I was under the impression that they had to make a virgin sacrifice or something? (female virgin)
All they gotta do is enter some more zeros at a terminal? They don't even need any one's just some crummy Zero's?? DAMN I'm really surprised they don't do it more often... in fact.. i wonder if I can do this at my local bank....
anyone know?
ae
One more point, posted in violation of slashdot rules...
Isn't part of the reason we have a space station to learn how to fix stuff when it breaks? How are we ever going to explore space if we have to head back home because the widget broke three months into our trip to mars. (yea I am aware that returning could not be possible due to the orbital differential of mars/earth and the thrust requirements or whatever... I mean, I did watch a Discovery Channel special once so that DOES make me an expert you know...
ae
I wonder if they are going to have a big "red" button installed that they can push.. I sure as hell would...
Honestly I think this is pretty damn smart.. might as well use something until it breaks if it costs ungodly amounts of money to put up there in the first place..
I mean do the odds of someone dying really increase any? My understanding is a pea sized object can kill them all at any time anyhow, that or the sun can get pissed off and kill them all...
ae
In soviet America products design you to fail!
I think Microsoft has the rights to this quote. Best be careful..
Got me there. English is not my native language.
"Thats" ok those of us who are native English speakers don't honestly understand the language "ither"..
We just do as we are told....
ae
support my new nanabot overloads currently in control of my higher cognitive function(s)...
Ok then just for you i shall now sing a little song.. in violation of copyright, RIAA trolls get out your lawsuit script(s)...
fuck fuck fuck fuck
mother mother mothefucker
mother mother mothefucker
fuck mothefucker mothefucker
noinch noinch noinch
1. 2. 3, 1 2 3 4
noinch noinch noinch
smoking weed
smoking weed
doin coke
drinking beers
drinking beers beers beers
rolling fatties
smoking blunts
Who smoke blunts?
We smoke blunts!
rollin blunts
Plus I was trying to be extra funny by including the secret slashdot +5 mod directive - ", I got karma to burn" but it did not work. And for the record NO BTG 2008 did not suck... It had everything needed not to suck.. explosions, space travel, && sex crazed alien doppelgangers plus orbital nuk-u-la bombardment...
I mean damn ,
ae
I live in Western North Carlina, it's in the water here, what would you have me do?
anyway I'm off to find some more batteries and sud-i-fed... take care...
ae
Alright, Let me explain then.
A few months back I had an interesting encounter with a local law enforcement agent who willing informed me that they often times have no idea if someone has committed a crime or is just being an asshole. This just because of the shear number of laws and ordinances here in western NC.
Law's are a great thing but thinking you can pass a law for every little thing leads to what we now have in this country. That being a prison system drawing huge amounts of tax payer money and not enough money to properly train and maintain law enforcement bodies. Add to that a public that is growing more and more use to the idea of being criminals for exercising fair-use (not even talking about p2p here.) (My mom knows it's illegal to make a copy of a cd she owns for her car even though that should be fair-use.) (And yes having to fear going to court and paying huge sums of money is equal to it being illegal in normal peoples minds, sony root kit anyone?)
Whatever happened to freedom? Should I now hire a full time lawyer to follow me around and instruct me on how to live my life? At what point does it become too much to enforce every law? 100? 1000? 10,000? or a millon of them?
Seems to me we already have too many and that we need to start folding them into each other and granting judges more say. Mandatory fines and sentencing was a very bad idea. Hell I can goto jail for 30 years for cracking a windows xp password of a person's computer that they rightfully own and have simply forgot their password. Murder... 4 years or so.... makes great since people...
ae
Agreed! Also happens on trans-ocean flights relatively often... I believe it's called "Deep vein thrombosis"...
Not sure why your post is +5, informative and mine has no mod's at all... I guess the slashdot mods are displeased with me somehow.. How I tremble.
ae
It only hurts consumers if there is only one company providing all service. I think there are plenty of cell providers right now...