Although I'd love to read another article about linux kicking butt, I noticed one important point missed. The article lists Star Office as a free Linux alternative to M$ Office in Windows. I searched the entire article and only saw a very brief mention that Star Office is also available for Windows for free.
In other words, you can chop money off your budget while keeping windows and migrating to Star Office. Like the author, I'd prefer a linux solution, but it makes the article misleading when considering the actual savings.
Forgetting something?
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I was hoping to hear the latest Beowolf cluster joke.
A camel, a red mozillasaur and a penguin walk into a bar...
ahhh.......nevermind
> I still felt safer knowing there were several people with assault rifles on the bus.
I find this interesting. I'm not claiming you're right or wrong.
Ironically, if you ever hire bouncers for a wedding or company party, you'll be given the option of how you would like them to dress; In suits like the secret service, or T-Shirts & Jeans like the Guys on the Jerry Springer show. Guess which look they suggest to their customers.
My point is this:
Behavior can be influenced by appearance and perception. Sometimes a certain appearance is asking for trouble, while other times problems are prevented.
Personally, In a non-hostile environment, I would feel safer walking among people without weapons.
Of course there are exceptions to every rule, unless...
I've been looking for something similar to this as a starting point for a fun project I've been working on.
It's a CD changer for a CD burner. (My sincere appoligies for slashdotting their webserver.)
My original goal was to create a cheap robot that:
can lift a fresh CD using suction cups (not shown in picture)
use eject & eject -t commands to open & close CD tray
burn CD via shell script
when finished, switch CDs and start all over
drive mechanism using cheap rotating threaded rod (worm drive)
wooden frame (cheap & easy to build)
use Jeremy Elson's Parapin program to control the device via parallel port
goal 1 - make it cheaper than $50 to build. using easy to find parts
goal 2 - make it easy for others to build.
The ultimate hack would be to combine it with
a MP3 database, napster, perl script,and wget to download and burn the billboard top 40 (or similar concept)
A project like this is not meant to be practical. Just something fun that hasn't been done before. Yes, I have seen a similar lego robot that works with a home audio system, but it only had about 7 disks available, it looked like a tough mechanism to integrate with a Computer tower, and the basic lego mindstorms sets sell for about $200.00
Comments/suggestions/related links welcome and strongly encouraged.
> Except that the abulity to do this severly hampers performance even when client and server are on the local machine....
I have to agree with that one wholeheartedly. I used to use the commands:
1% rlogin hostname (on a secure network)
2% setenv DISPLAY localmachine:0.0
3% start_application
Now imagine that the application being used is a hardcore solid modeling CAD software on a 10 base T network!
Video obiously suffers the most, but surprisingly, the performance was good enough to still make it an option. One of my sophmore level CAD classes used to do something similar to run software made for solaris on the Windows NT classroom overhead. Yes, it ran very slow compared to a local machine, but the ability to do it still blows my mind! (I'm easily amused;-)
If I had a top ten list with my favorite UNIX features/abilities, rlogin would definitely be on my list.
it's been a while since I've needed to run a gui app on unix, so I haven't yet played with using "ssh". I'm told ssh will automatically redirect the display so I don't have to remember how to "setenv";-)
My favorite comment:
> *cough* *cough* who says that you can't preview?
Well, let's just say I've been previewing Win2k for
a while now, and overall, I like what I see.
also,
Thanks for the Perl script ideas. It seems so obvious to me to use shell scripts or perl scripts in unix, but I often forget perl can be used in windows. I don't claim to be a perl expert, but I'm often surprised when slashdotters ripp on perl since it has so many cool features. (even if the syntax is somewhat....errr "unique";-)
If XP has drag and drop burning capability from within windows explorer, that alone may be the killer feature that makes me want to upgrade. With burnproof becoming almost a standard feature of most CDRs, it appears trivial to a novice like me to add a feature like this.
One more thing to add to the "boot speed" topic:
I theorize that a faster boot time would benefit windows users more than linux users. ;-)
Seriously though, overall, Unix guys like to brag
about "uptime" and tend to leave their computers running 24/7, while typical windows users like my parents shut down their machines for varied reasons. At work I used to do CAD stuff on an SGI "Octane" computer, and it literally had no power switch because it was supposedly "so dependable" it wouldn't need one. Well, not entirely true. It's Irix O.S. locked up solid about once a month requiring a reboot.
You do have a valid point on blaming MS for 3rd party drivers.
My "anger" has been misdirected at MS when in fact its ATI that I should be pissed at. I also have taken the sacred vow not to buy another ATI product;-)
like the parent thread, this comment is also off topic, Mod away!
> 30s from POWER ON to completely logged in.
30 seconds to boot Windows, but how long to boot linux on the same hardware? Is there a significant difference?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to start a flamewar. I think it's great for consumers that boot times are coming down because most "non-techies" don't leave their computers on 24/7, and it makes the computing experience much more enjoyable when you don't have to wait long.
It would be really cool if Microsoft could come up with some sort of Flash-ROM boot loader to speed up boot times. I recently found This website featuring a linux system that boots in 3 seconds! Thats faster than my monitor!
Currently my main O.S. is Win2k, which I've been very happy with overall. I've had very few problems, and most of my system crashes are caused by power outages;-)
On the other hand though, I've had poor support for some of my hardware. Like my ATI all-in-wonder TV tuner card. It works fine in Win9x, but the latest "beta" drivers released at ATI's website crash my computer everytime I load the Television software. I gave up. Likewise, my old ISA FM-radio tuner card has the same problem. No support in Win2k. Frankly I'm a little worried about upgrading to XP for fear of losing further compatibility. It's a shame I can't somehow preview XP on my current hardware before I decide to purchase.
That is probably the biggest reason why I'm considering a switch to Linux. I already own a copy of VMWare so I'm hoping if I make the switch permanent, it will be less painful.
The other thing I think makes Unix cool enough to consider switching is shell scripting. I'm just a mechanical engineer, but I dig the ability to program simple scripts to automate tasks.
Something I've been dying to do is create a script to record my favorite morning radio show in the morning, convert the file to a compatible audio format, and then burn to audio CD, all before I even wake up! That's just one little project I've been wanting to take on, but I'm sure it would be much easier to do in Unix than windows.
Another task I plan on doing often is execute elaborite Finite element models using Matlab. To do this, it would be cool to be able to remotely log into a faster computer to execute code. That "PCAnywhere" feature of XP that you mentioned gives me the impression that I may be able to do that with XP.
XP does sound like it's come a long way from Win2k, but it will still be tough to decide to stick with Win2k, switch to XP, or switch to Linux.
Re:There is a piece about this in Ha'aretz
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bummer!
You beat me to that one! :-)
I'd just like to add that selection of material
is not as trivial as we as regular folks would
like to believe. Perhaps in Israel Concrete is
a more economical solution than Steel.
As far as the safety factor goes,
That's not trivial either.
Concrete is an excelent insulator with a very
high heat capacity. It would take much more
energy to heat up a cubic foot of concrete than a cubic foot of steel. Besides that, much more
concrete volume would be needed to compensate for it's
lower strength to weight ratio.
Another factor to consider:
Steel has a high thermal expansion rate. as the steel in the building heated to extreme
temperatures, not only did it expand and place lots of stress on connected members, but it may have also changed it's atomic structure.
On the flip side, concrete has it's disadvantages too.
obviously it's high weight to strength ratio
comes to mind. Don't forget that Concrete is a brittle material.
Like steel, it is very strong in compression,
but lacks steel's impressive tensile load properties. Concrete works good vertically as pillars,
but not as well horizontally because of its
lack of flexibility under load and poor tensile properties.
Visualize it this way:
I-Beams are the best geometry to use in horizontal applications because as the beam is loaded, it simultaneously endures tension and compression.
As it is bent, the top "web" compresses as the bottom one lengthens This lengthening would snap brittle concrete.
As for all building designs, a good comprimise between material costs, geometry, ease of manufacturing/construction, available package space, and other design intents much be reached.
In this case, the cost of the building (I heard $400 Million) was comprimised for additional safety. IMHO, it was a wise comprimise.
While watching the CNN coverage this afternoon I learned that Bin Laden earned a degree in Civil Engineering in 1979. It's a shame that he's apparently using his knowledge to harm others.
It would be tough to be a civil engineer buiding a structure competing against a terrorist with that kind of background.
It's a link about the main engineer involved in the construction of the Twin Towers.
Although some people may think his team's design was fatally flawed, I believe that the design did it's job. The structure held long enough for what at this time appears to be at least a partial evacuation.
sorry man, I gotta disagree with you on this one.
I've been running Mozilla 0.93 on Win2k and I've been very pleased. In fact, its more stable than Internet explorer (which crashed before it would finish loading! )
I ended up upgrading my IE to the new 6.x version, and haven't had problems with it (yet), but I mostly use Mozilla now.
Suggestion: If mozilla is loading slow, use the "turbo" switch.
Mozilla keeps getting better and better. When and If I make the full transistion to Linux, I'll use Mozilla because it's what I'm using now.
Seems to me that if an ISP is going to be held responsible for this type of problem, then shouldn't Microsoft be responsible as well? After all, ISPs are customers of the company with the flawed software.
I have to wonder what the implications for responsibility would be if they were using open source code instead.
Reminds me of the whole Ford/Firestone fiasco.
Anybody who's ever blown a tire would know that you shouldn't get into an accident unless you do something stupid. (Car&Driver verified this with an elaborate road test). Ford and Firestone have to blame each other to avoid directly calling their customers idiots. (just for the record, I drive a Ford, so flame away;-)
Anyway, to get back on topic, this is a classic case of blaming the "fall guy" because it's too tough to go after the real problem.
We just covered this in my Engineering Materials class, so technically I'm doing my homework by visiting slashdot.:-)
Cast steel is generally not as "strong" as Forged steel. I use the word strength loosely, because steel has many properties which can be associated with measuring strength. (i.e. Ductility, modulus of elasticity, Stress/Strain relationships, yield point, etc.)
There are two major considerations here.
1) The atomic structure of the material.
This is the arrangements of the atoms. The strength of steel greatly depends on the atomic structure which relies on the method used to cool the molten material. Speed of the cooling process determines how the atoms will arrange themselves, therefore determining "strength" via the number of and geometry of the atomic bonds.
2) The grain structure of the material.
"pounding" or Forging steel literally squeezes the atoms closer together. The forging process aligns the grain structure into a "stronger" geometry, although some directions are stronger than others.
In general, Casted parts are used when parts are in complicated shapes (like engine blocks and cylinder heads), and when strength can be comprimised.
Forged parts are prefered when strength more important than cost. Racecars typically use Forged conecting rods because of their high strength to weight ratio. Low weight is especially important here since engines reving 9000 RPM reciprocate each rod back and forth 150 times per second!
A few more good examples of Forgings:
Hand Tools, (Snap-on, Craftsman, Mac, etc.)
some crankshafts (typically racing applications)
some pistons (5.0 Mustang Guys say to only run NOS on forged pistons)
It would be sweet if there was a central website for all linux hardware that ran something similar to slashcode to moderate hardware (and comments about hardware)
something like this:
+3 best in it's class
+2 very newbie friendly
+1 easy installation
+1 supported by major applications (like the GIMP)
-1 requires minor hacking
-2 requires 37337 4ax0r 5k177z (I can't remember how to spell elite hacker skills)
-3 not supported in Linux
I'd love to read a moderated forum for hardware.
I'm currently in the market for a CD burner right now. But as a linux Newbie, I'm not sure how well my potential purchases are supported. (does Burn-Proof rely on the OS or the hardware?) Sure ya might get some folks corrupting the database with lousy info, but overall, I think it could work out well.
It sure would be a sweet addition to slashdot.
-Just my 2¢
> He tosses out statements like,
> "I could be making $200 an hour doing security work,"
> and makes other muscle-flexing gestures to show >
that he can do what he wants, when he wants.
wow man!
If a rent-a-cop can earn that much just flashing his muscles,Just think how much he could make with a gun!
Slashdot Mirror
Although I'd love to read another article about linux kicking butt, I noticed one important point missed. The article lists Star Office as a free Linux alternative to M$ Office in Windows. I searched the entire article and only saw a very brief mention that Star Office is also available for Windows for free.
In other words, you can chop money off your budget while keeping windows and migrating to Star Office. Like the author, I'd prefer a linux solution, but it makes the article misleading when considering the actual savings.
I was hoping to hear the latest Beowolf cluster joke.
A camel, a red mozillasaur and a penguin walk into a bar...
ahhh.......nevermind
Yeah, I know this is a serious accusation,
but at the same time, I can't help but find
the humor in it.
Does anybody have any links to a copy of the original Yahoo article?
> I still felt safer knowing there were several people with assault rifles on the bus.
...
I find this interesting.
I'm not claiming you're right or wrong.
Ironically, if you ever hire bouncers for a wedding or company party, you'll be given the option of how you would like them to dress; In suits like the secret service, or T-Shirts & Jeans like the Guys on the Jerry Springer show. Guess which look they suggest to their customers.
My point is this:
Behavior can be influenced by appearance and perception. Sometimes a certain appearance is asking for trouble, while other times problems are prevented.
Personally, In a non-hostile environment, I would feel safer walking among people without weapons.
Of course there are exceptions to every rule,
unless
ha ha ha!
;-)
Looks like we need somebody to write a virus in Java so they cover all the available platforms.
Thanks for the great link!
~brad3378
It's a CD changer for a CD burner. (My sincere appoligies for slashdotting their webserver.)
My original goal was to create a cheap robot that:
can lift a fresh CD using suction cups (not shown in picture)
use eject & eject -t commands to open & close CD tray
burn CD via shell script
when finished, switch CDs and start all over
drive mechanism using cheap rotating threaded rod (worm drive)
wooden frame (cheap & easy to build)
use Jeremy Elson's Parapin program to control the device via parallel port
goal 1 - make it cheaper than $50 to build. using easy to find parts
goal 2 - make it easy for others to build.
The ultimate hack would be to combine it with a MP3 database, napster, perl script,and wget to download and burn the billboard top 40 (or similar concept)
A project like this is not meant to be practical.
Just something fun that hasn't been done before. Yes, I have seen a similar lego robot that works with a home audio system, but it only had about 7 disks available, it looked like a tough mechanism to integrate with a Computer tower, and the basic lego mindstorms sets sell for about $200.00
Comments/suggestions/related links welcome and strongly encouraged.
> Except that the abulity to do this severly hampers performance even when client and server are on the local machine....
;-)
;-)
I have to agree with that one wholeheartedly. I used to use the commands:
1% rlogin hostname (on a secure network)
2% setenv DISPLAY localmachine:0.0
3% start_application
Now imagine that the application being used is a hardcore solid modeling CAD software
on a 10 base T network!
Video obiously suffers the most, but surprisingly, the performance was good enough to still make it an option. One of my sophmore level CAD classes used to do something similar to run software made for solaris on the Windows NT classroom overhead. Yes, it ran very slow compared to a local machine, but the ability to do it still blows my mind! (I'm easily amused
If I had a top ten list with my favorite UNIX features/abilities, rlogin would definitely be on my list.
it's been a while since I've needed to run a gui app on unix, so I haven't yet played with using "ssh". I'm told ssh will automatically redirect the display so I don't have to remember how to "setenv"
Thanks for your comment
~brad3378
Thanks for the excellent response!
;-)
;-)
;-)
My favorite comment:
> *cough* *cough* who says that you can't preview?
Well, let's just say I've been previewing Win2k for a while now, and overall, I like what I see.
also, Thanks for the Perl script ideas. It seems so obvious to me to use shell scripts or perl scripts in unix, but I often forget perl can be used in windows. I don't claim to be a perl expert, but I'm often surprised when slashdotters ripp on perl since it has so many cool features. (even if the syntax is somewhat....errr "unique"
If XP has drag and drop burning capability from within windows explorer, that alone may be the killer feature that makes me want to upgrade. With burnproof becoming almost a standard feature of most CDRs, it appears trivial to a novice like me to add a feature like this.
One more thing to add to the "boot speed" topic:
I theorize that a faster boot time would benefit windows users more than linux users.
Seriously though, overall, Unix guys like to brag about "uptime" and tend to leave their computers running 24/7, while typical windows users like my parents shut down their machines for varied reasons.
At work I used to do CAD stuff on an SGI "Octane" computer, and it literally had no power switch because it was supposedly "so dependable" it wouldn't need one. Well, not entirely true. It's Irix O.S. locked up solid about once a month requiring a reboot.
You do have a valid point on blaming MS for 3rd party drivers.
My "anger" has been misdirected at MS when in fact its ATI that I should be pissed at. I also have taken the sacred vow not to buy another ATI product
Thanks again for the great response!
~brad3378
like the parent thread, this comment is also off topic, Mod away!
;-)
> 30s from POWER ON to completely logged in.
30 seconds to boot Windows, but how long to boot linux on the same hardware? Is there a significant difference? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to start a flamewar. I think it's great for consumers that boot times are coming down because most "non-techies" don't leave their computers on 24/7, and it makes the computing experience much more enjoyable when you don't have to wait long.
It would be really cool if Microsoft could come up with some sort of Flash-ROM boot loader to speed up boot times. I recently found This website featuring a linux system that boots in 3 seconds! Thats faster than my monitor!
Currently my main O.S. is Win2k, which I've been very happy with overall. I've had very few problems, and most of my system crashes are caused by power outages
On the other hand though, I've had poor support for some of my hardware. Like my ATI all-in-wonder TV tuner card. It works fine in Win9x, but the latest "beta" drivers released at ATI's website crash my computer everytime I load the Television software. I gave up.
Likewise, my old ISA FM-radio tuner card has the same problem. No support in Win2k. Frankly I'm a little worried about upgrading to XP for fear of losing further compatibility. It's a shame I can't somehow preview XP on my current hardware before I decide to purchase.
That is probably the biggest reason why I'm considering a switch to Linux. I already own a copy of VMWare so I'm hoping if I make the switch permanent, it will be less painful.
The other thing I think makes Unix cool enough to consider switching is shell scripting. I'm just a mechanical engineer, but I dig the ability to program simple scripts to automate tasks.
Something I've been dying to do is create a script to record my favorite morning radio show in the morning, convert the file to a compatible audio format, and then burn to audio CD, all before I even wake up! That's just one little project I've been wanting to take on, but I'm sure it would be much easier to do in Unix than windows.
Another task I plan on doing often is execute elaborite Finite element models using Matlab. To do this, it would be cool to be able to remotely log into a faster computer to execute code. That "PCAnywhere" feature of XP that you mentioned gives me the impression that I may be able to do that with XP.
XP does sound like it's come a long way from Win2k, but it will still be tough to decide to stick with Win2k, switch to XP, or switch to Linux.
bummer!
:-)
You beat me to that one!
I'd just like to add that selection of material
is not as trivial as we as regular folks would
like to believe. Perhaps in Israel Concrete is a more economical solution than Steel.
As far as the safety factor goes,
That's not trivial either.
Concrete is an excelent insulator with a very
high heat capacity. It would take much more
energy to heat up a cubic foot of concrete than
a cubic foot of steel. Besides that, much more
concrete volume would be needed to compensate for it's
lower strength to weight ratio.
Another factor to consider:
Steel has a high thermal expansion rate.
as the steel in the building heated to extreme
temperatures, not only did it expand and place
lots of stress on connected members, but it
may have also changed it's atomic structure.
On the flip side, concrete has it's disadvantages too.
obviously it's high weight to strength ratio
comes to mind.
Don't forget that Concrete is a brittle material.
Like steel, it is very strong in compression,
but lacks steel's impressive tensile load properties.
Concrete works good vertically as pillars,
but not as well horizontally because of its
lack of flexibility under load and poor tensile properties.
Visualize it this way:
I-Beams are the best geometry to use in horizontal
applications because as the beam is loaded, it
simultaneously endures tension and compression.
As it is bent, the top "web" compresses as the bottom one lengthens
This lengthening would snap brittle concrete.
As for all building designs, a good comprimise
between material costs, geometry, ease of
manufacturing/construction, available package space,
and other design intents much be reached.
In this case, the cost of the building (I heard $400 Million)
was comprimised for additional safety.
IMHO, it was a wise comprimise.
While watching the CNN coverage this afternoon I learned that Bin Laden earned a degree in Civil Engineering in 1979. It's a shame that he's apparently using his knowledge to harm others.
It would be tough to be a civil engineer buiding a structure competing against a terrorist with that kind of background.
I found this link last night when /. was /.ed
http://www.asce.org/news/pr042900_opalfasullo.cfm
It's a link about the main engineer involved in the construction of the Twin Towers.
Although some people may think his team's design was fatally flawed, I believe that the design did it's job. The structure held long enough for what at this time appears to be at least a partial evacuation.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/09/03/hewlett.packard .compaq.ap/index.html
sorry man, I gotta disagree with you on this one. I've been running Mozilla 0.93 on Win2k and I've been very pleased. In fact, its more stable than Internet explorer (which crashed before it would finish loading! )
I ended up upgrading my IE to the new 6.x version, and haven't had problems with it (yet), but I mostly use Mozilla now.
Suggestion: If mozilla is loading slow, use the "turbo" switch.
Mozilla keeps getting better and better. When and If I make the full transistion to Linux, I'll use Mozilla because it's what I'm using now.
I think they have been using a special "Delta-Frame" algorithym for shrinking their file sizes.
Unfortunately, their claims of Full television quality video over
28.8 lines were aparently made by streaming old episodes of "Southpark"
Win Karma - Lose Karma
Not quite as fast, but still very cool
http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/
The Dual Athelon setup sounds promising
I don't care how I know,
I just know that she must be a
WITCH!
> I wonder if they'll eventually push through a Canadian-style tax on anything that can carry data.
Yikes! a Paper tax?!?
Seems to me that if an ISP is going to be held responsible for this type of problem, then shouldn't Microsoft be responsible as well? After all, ISPs are customers of the company with the flawed software.
;-)
I have to wonder what the implications for responsibility would be if they were using open source code instead.
Reminds me of the whole Ford/Firestone fiasco.
Anybody who's ever blown a tire would know that you shouldn't get into an accident unless you do something stupid. (Car&Driver verified this with an elaborate road test). Ford and Firestone have to blame each other to avoid directly calling their customers idiots. (just for the record, I drive a Ford, so flame away
Anyway, to get back on topic, this is a classic case of blaming the "fall guy" because it's too tough to go after the real problem.
Flame Away!
We just covered this in my Engineering Materials class, so technically I'm doing my homework by visiting slashdot. :-)
Cast steel is generally not as "strong" as Forged steel. I use the word strength loosely, because steel has many properties which can be associated with measuring strength. (i.e. Ductility, modulus of elasticity, Stress/Strain relationships, yield point, etc.)
There are two major considerations here.
1) The atomic structure of the material.
This is the arrangements of the atoms. The strength of steel greatly depends on the atomic structure which relies on the method used to cool the molten material. Speed of the cooling process determines how the atoms will arrange themselves, therefore determining "strength" via the number of and geometry of the atomic bonds.
2) The grain structure of the material.
"pounding" or Forging steel literally squeezes the atoms closer together. The forging process aligns the grain structure into a "stronger" geometry, although some directions are stronger than others.
In general, Casted parts are used when parts are in complicated shapes (like engine blocks and cylinder heads), and when strength can be comprimised.
Forged parts are prefered when strength more important than cost. Racecars typically use Forged conecting rods because of their high strength to weight ratio. Low weight is especially important here since engines reving 9000 RPM reciprocate each rod back and forth 150 times per second!
A few more good examples of Forgings:
Hand Tools, (Snap-on, Craftsman, Mac, etc.)
some crankshafts (typically racing applications)
some pistons (5.0 Mustang Guys say to only run NOS on forged pistons)
For more info, Here is an excelent comparison of Forging and Casting
It would be sweet if there was a central website for all linux hardware that ran something similar to slashcode to moderate hardware (and comments about hardware)
something like this:
+3 best in it's class
+2 very newbie friendly
+1 easy installation
+1 supported by major applications (like the GIMP)
-1 requires minor hacking
-2 requires 37337 4ax0r 5k177z (I can't remember how to spell elite hacker skills)
-3 not supported in Linux
I'd love to read a moderated forum for hardware.
I'm currently in the market for a CD burner right now. But as a linux Newbie, I'm not sure how well my potential purchases are supported. (does Burn-Proof rely on the OS or the hardware?) Sure ya might get some folks corrupting the database with lousy info, but overall, I think it could work out well.
It sure would be a sweet addition to slashdot.
-Just my 2¢
> He tosses out statements like,
> "I could be making $200 an hour doing security work,"
> and makes other muscle-flexing gestures to show
> that he can do what he wants, when he wants.
wow man!
If a rent-a-cop can earn that much just flashing
his muscles,Just think how much he could make with a gun!
Make a new toolkit with a legit licence.
then make your GPL appz with the new toolkit.
In win2k I searched for files in the c:\winnt\system32\ directory with the word "california" in the file.
apparently these files have the same message because the word "california" is used. (I have not yet verfied this by looking in the files)
finger.exe
ftp.exe
nslookup.exe
fcp.exe
rsh.exe
VMNetDHCP.exe       (??? This might be a VMWare file??? )
either way, I still find it interesting.