Major League Baseball is aiming for mlb.com to be a supper site that meets all baseball fan needs. I would guess that the director of the mlb.com asked the legal division to rain in the none mlb.com sites a little bit with the aim of increasing their own sites hits and revenue.
This is a pretty good strategy for baseball actually. First is provides uniformity to there product. If all fans start there baseball related news gathering by going to mlb.com you get a central influence on news and hype. Second it produces general revenue. This is exactly what baseball needs right now. Of course no general revenue source can overcome the local revenue associated with ticket sales; but baseball needs to look for as much shared revenue as possible in order to reestablish parity. A fan site devoted to the Yankees is taking eyeballs from advertising that benifits all teams.
I have been converted. I think mlb.com is the best professional sports web portal. I used to go the WGN to listen to Cubs baseball on the web but mlb.com centralized web broadcasting of baseball games. I still can hear the Cubs with WGN broadcasters but I have the pay the $10 a season on mlb.com. For this $10 you get the ability to listen to every other team also. And I am guessing the revenue is shared.
Since I like the Cubs it is bad in a way that my dollars are shared but for all the fans of Yankees and Mets doing the same thing, it is good for me and the Cubs that some of their dollars are shared.
Actually I am not a strong pro-Demecrat. I have been happy with Bush for his initial handling of the war and on fiscal policy. I am happy with the tax cut and with most of his handling of the economy. In my post that started this thread I stated 'what I was hearing on the streets of DC'. I am in finance and have friends that are lawyers. Some of these lawyers may be liberal. I really hope Bush does not screw this up and that they are just taking their time putting together a good case against Skilling and Lay. We will see.
Worldcom's CFO is already in jail awaiting trial and the company is going bankrupt. The hotest story I am hearing on the streets here in DC is the fact that no one from Enron is in jail yet. This will increasingly stink up the Bush administration since his staff has so many Enron ties. Enron was Ashcroft's largest campaign supporter. Congress passed laws making rules tougher for future wrongdoers but it is not clear to me that the rules needed to be made stronger. Imclone, Worldcom and Adelphia C?Os are already in jail under current laws. Why haven't the laws been applied to anyone at Enron?
The statement of your question gives no information about why you are so interested
in 'free' games. I suppose you may have taken a vow of poverty and thus cannot come up with the $25 to $50 it takes to by a commercially produced game. But then I think to myself, 'how could he be so poor as to not be able to by himself a game but be flying to Europe with a Mac laptop.' This does not compute. The I think, 'maybe he has devoted hour upon hour of his time producing free software for the world, maybe databases or weather tracking software, I don't know but because of his years of selfless programming, he now just want's to take a little bit back but does not want to resort to software piracy to even the score.' Anyway I don't want to presume you are just cheap ( is there such a thing as a cheap Mac owner? )
Well whatever your motivation and dispite the lack of character development in your post; this will in fact probably produce a decent reponse from the slashdot community. Excuss while I go follow the links to the games!
I hope no one on your team reads slashdot; if they do I hope your name is not really Cliff. Even
if you made up a fake name, your staff can probably recognize the situation you just described and your style of writing or speaking.
Your rant provides a good example of why top talent does not always produce top coaches. You sound like you have got promoted to management but haven't learned yet about how to be a coach.
I give you some sympathy in that it sounds like you inherited your staff instead of hand picking them. Top that off with the fact that you are still expected to be a producer yourself. In your first manager role it is better if you aren't expected to write code yourself so you can focus on coaching your team.
I am sorry to say it sounds like a deathmarch situation. How much confidence and trust do you have in your immediate boss? Sounds like this might be his/her screwup.
I am a tech savy person, an engineer by profession, I can program in C++ and understand deep mathematical concepts; but, I am really annoyed by the microwave. I think it is more complex than the phone, tv or vcr. In its favor, for packaged meals you can follow very precise instruction about setting timing intervals and come reasonably close to expected results. But if I take something random out of my fridge and try to predict how it will behave in the microwave, I am stumped. I have a new microwave with lots of bells and whistles; the most interesting feature is the sensor reheat button. On this feature the manual is useless as it basically says that when this button is pressed the microwave senses how long it will take to reheat something. How? On this point the manual is mute. I can imagine myself spending a weekend, stop watch in hand, trying every organic material and combination of materials I can think of, exposing them to the sensor reheat 'feature'; seeing what happened. It would be like my computer having a 'do something cool' button.
From the NEWSWEEK article written by Steven Levy: "An endless roster of security holes allows cyber-thieves to fill up their buffers with credit-card numbers and corporate secrets. It's easier to vandalize a Web site than to program a remote control. Entertainment moguls boil in their hot tubs as movies and music areswapped, gratis, on the Internet. Consumers fret about the loss of privacy. And computer viruses proliferate and mutate faster than they can be named.
The fact that my Grandparents ( and every one elses ) are reading this and voting pisses me off. This is scare mongering at its worst. No wonder Microsoft leaks to this guy. It is useful to spread fear and misinformation among the populace before so they willingly hand over their rights.
Please don't consider this flame bait; unless you think I am trying to provoke the pro-NEWSWEEK crowd amongst us. Thank You
It would be nice if someone could explain or provide links clarifying the relationship between Echostar, Starband, and GILAT SATELLITE NETWORKS. On the the Starband site they say they are not a publically traded company and refer to Echostar and Gilat as partners. The CNET article describes Echostar defection from the Starband and GILAT camp. Anyone got info on the ownership of Starband. What is interesting to me is that it seems that Starband existed as a subsidary of these other companies but the chapter 11 applies only to Starband.
A funny thing happened while I was a graduate student; it was about 1992, the dorms where not wired and web browsing was just emerging. The internet meant mainly ftp and the newsgroups. In our department the system administrator was having a disk space problem and decided the problem was to many redundant copies of binaries in home directories. His solution was to make a complete download in a central place each night of the alt. binaries.* newsgroups and let it be known if you wanted to look use these groups don't go making copies in your home directies. He wrote scripts that basically acted like Agent works these days. Deleting files after a few days and updating the files each night of the new server.
This went on for about a year with no problems. Then a student who did not pass their qualifying exams and had a grudge went to the school newspaper with a print out of a ls of these directories. The newspaper made a article about smut on the internet and exposed our departments secret directories. I remember the listing in the newspaper had file names refering to lesbians, farm animals and scat.
Well needless to say the directories went away and the system administrator transferred. Now its just a funny memory. ( The system adminstrators career did not suffer; he is now a senior systems person at the University )
This "Awards" are more of a mini directory listing than an true awards. The slashdot blurb states "The article outlines the very best of the best of the web", but on the actual site it is clear that there is no such claim. This is just a list of interesting sites, worth browsing in some scientific oriented categories. I think this is a good service. Hopefully it stays up for some time, and does not grow to much. I think large directory structures, like Yahoo's web directory listings are not terribly useful for browsing. I miss the early ninties when I could browse from home page to home page with individuals listing 5 to 10 interesting sites each. Now days I usually just browse from slashdot; in fact, excuse me while I return to browsing these science links.
The slashdot blurb focuses on Microsoft's delaying earnings to smooth out earnings reports and make sure they keep better expectations. Here is an article that explores the hypothesis that Microsoft is hiding earnings because as a monopoly they want to control the impression of success. "Well, when you're a monopoly, churning out what some anti-capitalists believe are obscene earnings year after year, you just might find it in your best interests to hold back a bit, this analyst says." I think that this hypothesis is more severe than the smoothing hypothesis. Smoothing earnings is somwhat benign, your just covering up volatility. Hiding earnings over the long term to descrease the bad taste of being a monopoly is more corrupting.
In a top notch piece of reporting we are told the defense department is investigating how an antiques dealer bought a bunch of defense related parts at an unclaimed property sale at a warehouse and then sold them on ebay for a profit. I imagine a house subcommittee will soon be on the case also. My parents own warehouses. Unclaimed property sales are standard proceedures. Neither the warehouse owner or the buyer knows ahead of time what is being sold. Since there is no mystery there, the government investigators must be stuck on how exactly someone gets an item listed on ebay. I have actually found the ebay interface fairly understandable, but if the investigator are not computer savy it may present some problems I am sure. Next step of course will be to investigate how exactly the antique dealer got that little blue star next to his name. Very suspecious indeed.
I suggest TV is a better analogy for broadband than electricity. Can you imagine your cable bill varying based on how much your TV was on? This idea does not really work since much of the time the TV is on you are watching commercials. If you got charged by the minute for watching TV you would not stand for the cable company selling you commercial TV. The internet now is alot like commercial TV. When I read the news on cnn.com or wherever I expend bandwidth on commercial "flash" banners and popups. I don't mind with broadband; it doesn't really slow things down and at some level moving shapes and flashing colors make me happy. But I would want a 'text only' web if it was a metered service.
The first thing I do when I sit down at a Microsoft operating system is to move the taskbar to the top of the screen. I simply cannot deal with pushing up the start menu. I think menus should be pulled down. Please never use a menu that pushes up.
I have always assumed that this was a shallow effort on Microsofts part to be different from the Mac OS. Is this documented.
> If you think, for instance, that a mouse is an >intuitive device, you should see 80 > year-olds who never touched a computer before >try to figure them out.
I once was helping my grandmother with her win95 over the phone. I wanted her to move the pointer to the top of the screen and kept saying 'move the mouse up'. She eventually replied. The cord won't let me lift it any higher.
> Rather than considering so-called 'intuitive' >controls, the goal should be to develop methods >which are built upon existing and well-known >ones.
I would agree that most of the time you should choose what is familiar. But you should allow for thinking outside the box in interface design a little bit so that we might possibly stumble upon something better.
I was teaching my grandmother that buttons with x's on them mean close. This was not intuitive to her. I was habit for me. ( she had to learn how to close all over again when she got new software because she did not pick up the pattern. ) Maybe someone will think of a method of closing things that grandmothers will learn more quickly. But unless your really sure that it is easier to learn you should stick with the familiar.
What you are arguing is that volatility tends to increase with time unless there are dampening factors. Well there are dampening factors: transaction costs, capital gains tax, and eight hour trading days. I sure you can list more but this is a start. In a lot of ways we are tending toward decreasing each of these factors, for example going to a 24 hour trading day, but I for one am not scared of out of control volatility.
You can argue that the market provides value as a vehicle for hedging. Remember hedging is like insurance, you create a position to protect yourself against risk exposure that you cannot otherwise control.
In order for people and companies to have the ability to hedge, there needs to be liquidity. That is where the speculative traders come in. Speculative traders are not protecting, they are gambling. But they are needed by the hedgers because they provide someone to trade with.
I would imagine that revenues have been much more impacted by used CD sales then by online piracy. I mean I have been around long enough to remember pre-CD days and I have to say that CDs have created a much more robust used market than every existed in the days of tapes and lps. Now if I think to myself, hmm I won't mind hearing a old stones album for example. I can almost surely find it for six bucks. And you know what none of that six bucks goes to the music industry. There aught to be a law, my god. Now if the could somehow prevert our economic system so that sailing used CDs was illegal, I eventually would brake down and pay fifteen dollars to hear that Stones album. Maybe I would'nt buy as many or as often, maybe about a third as may CD's but the industry would be getting there cut again. As for online music. Bootlegged concerts are much more common in my estimation and a lot of bands are generous about allowing the reproduction of these things. Real "stolen" music requires dealing with annoying warez sites full of popups to finaly usually get top 40 singles that the radio is giving away for free anyway. Finally going over the internet loop results in some ( or a lot depending ) loss of quality. Used CDs retain the original quality. Does your senetor know about this?
I do not presume to know Bjarne's motivation but I do disagree with your judgement of people plugging their work. Have you noticed that people do the talk show circuit only when the have a project to sell. Do you distrust them for this. Talk show, book signings, taveling to a conference to give a talk, all the same thing. I found the way he pluged his papers and books very comforting. He's just a guy (bright and talented) that is working for a living and has produced some stuff that he is proud of and is rewarded for financialy. That makes him seem more real to me.
I would grant you that it is easy to write and read, but it suffers from bad association with the horrible compiler that apple puts out for NT. God am I glad I don't have to work with that everyday anymore. I never had a chance to try the compiler on the MACH system or on a MAC but I have been told by people who have that the IDE is weak compared to Visual Studio/Borland Builder type IDEs. Of course I do most of my programming on a SUN system without an IDE so that is not terrible critical. Now that I think about it, it was the IDE and WebObjects together that was buggy. Just random thoughts. Forgive.
Major League Baseball is aiming for mlb.com to be a supper site that meets all baseball fan needs. I would guess that the director of the mlb.com asked the legal division to rain in the none mlb.com sites a little bit with the aim of increasing their own sites hits and revenue.
This is a pretty good strategy for baseball actually. First is provides uniformity to there product. If all fans start there baseball related news gathering by going to mlb.com you get a central influence on news and hype. Second it produces general revenue. This is exactly what baseball needs right now. Of course no general revenue source can overcome the local revenue associated with ticket sales; but baseball needs to look for as much shared revenue as possible in order to reestablish parity. A fan site devoted to the Yankees is taking eyeballs from advertising that benifits all teams.
I have been converted. I think mlb.com is the best professional sports web portal. I used to go the WGN to listen to Cubs baseball on the web but mlb.com centralized web broadcasting of baseball games. I still can hear the Cubs with WGN broadcasters but I have the pay the $10 a season on mlb.com. For this $10 you get the ability to listen to every other team also. And I am guessing the revenue is shared.
Since I like the Cubs it is bad in a way that my dollars are shared but for all the fans of Yankees and Mets doing the same thing, it is good for me and the Cubs that some of their dollars are shared.
Actually I am not a strong pro-Demecrat. I have been happy with Bush for his initial handling of the war and on fiscal policy. I am happy with the tax cut and with most of his handling of the economy. In my post that started this thread I stated 'what I was hearing on the streets of DC'. I am in finance and have friends that are lawyers. Some of these lawyers may be liberal. I really hope Bush does not screw this up and that they are just taking their time putting together a good case against Skilling and Lay. We will see.
Worldcom's CFO is already in jail awaiting trial and the company is going bankrupt. The hotest story I am hearing on the streets here in DC is the fact that no one from Enron is in jail yet. This will increasingly stink up the Bush administration since his staff has so many Enron ties. Enron was Ashcroft's largest campaign supporter. Congress passed laws making rules tougher for future wrongdoers but it is not clear to me that the rules needed to be made stronger. Imclone, Worldcom and Adelphia C?Os are already in jail under current laws. Why haven't the laws been applied to anyone at Enron?
The statement of your question gives no information about why you are so interested in 'free' games. I suppose you may have taken a vow of poverty and thus cannot come up with the $25 to $50 it takes to by a commercially produced game. But then I think to myself, 'how could he be so poor as to not be able to by himself a game but be flying to Europe with a Mac laptop.' This does not compute. The I think, 'maybe he has devoted hour upon hour of his time producing free software for the world, maybe databases or weather tracking software, I don't know but because of his years of selfless programming, he now just want's to take a little bit back but does not want to resort to software piracy to even the score.' Anyway I don't want to presume you are just cheap ( is there such a thing as a cheap Mac owner? )
Well whatever your motivation and dispite the lack of character development in your post; this will in fact probably produce a decent reponse from the slashdot community. Excuss while I go follow the links to the games!
I hope no one on your team reads slashdot; if they do I hope your name is not really Cliff. Even if you made up a fake name, your staff can probably recognize the situation you just described and your style of writing or speaking.
Your rant provides a good example of why top talent does not always produce top coaches. You sound like you have got promoted to management but haven't learned yet about how to be a coach.
I give you some sympathy in that it sounds like you inherited your staff instead of hand picking them. Top that off with the fact that you are still expected to be a producer yourself. In your first manager role it is better if you aren't expected to write code yourself so you can focus on coaching your team.
I am sorry to say it sounds like a deathmarch situation. How much confidence and trust do you have in your immediate boss? Sounds like this might be his/her screwup.
I am a tech savy person, an engineer by profession, I can program in C++ and understand
deep mathematical concepts; but, I am really annoyed by the microwave. I think it is more complex than the phone, tv or vcr. In its favor, for packaged meals you can follow very precise instruction about setting timing intervals and come reasonably close to expected results. But if I take something random out of my fridge and try to predict how it will behave in the microwave, I am stumped. I have a new microwave with lots of bells and whistles; the most interesting feature is the sensor reheat button. On this feature the manual is useless as it basically says that when this button is pressed the microwave senses how long it will take to reheat something. How? On this point the manual is mute. I can imagine myself spending a weekend, stop watch in hand, trying every organic material and combination of materials I can think of, exposing them to the sensor reheat 'feature'; seeing what happened. It would be like my computer having a 'do something cool' button.
From the NEWSWEEK article written by Steven Levy: "An endless roster of security holes allows cyber-thieves to fill up their buffers with credit-card numbers and corporate secrets. It's easier to vandalize a Web site than to program a remote control. Entertainment moguls boil in their hot tubs as movies and music areswapped, gratis, on the Internet. Consumers fret about the loss of privacy. And computer viruses proliferate and mutate faster than they can be named.
The fact that my Grandparents ( and every one elses ) are reading this and voting pisses me off. This is scare mongering at its worst. No wonder Microsoft leaks to this guy. It is useful to spread fear and misinformation among the populace before so they willingly hand over their rights.
Please don't consider this flame bait; unless you think I am trying to provoke the pro-NEWSWEEK crowd amongst us. Thank You
It would be nice if someone could explain or provide links clarifying the relationship between Echostar, Starband, and GILAT SATELLITE NETWORKS. On the the Starband site they say they are not a publically traded company and refer to Echostar and Gilat as partners. The CNET article describes Echostar defection from the Starband and GILAT camp. Anyone got info on the ownership of Starband. What is interesting to me is that it seems that Starband existed as a subsidary of these other companies but the chapter 11 applies only to Starband.
A funny thing happened while I was a graduate student; it was about 1992, the dorms where not wired and web browsing was just emerging. The internet meant mainly ftp and the newsgroups. In our department the system administrator was having a disk space problem and decided the problem was to many redundant copies of binaries in home directories. His solution was to make a complete download in a central place each night of the alt. binaries.* newsgroups and let it be known if you wanted to look use these groups don't go making copies in your home directies. He wrote scripts that basically acted like Agent works these days. Deleting files after a few days and updating the files each night of the new server.
This went on for about a year with no problems. Then a student who did not pass their qualifying exams and had a grudge went to the school newspaper with a print out of a ls of these directories. The newspaper made a article about smut on the internet and exposed our departments secret directories. I remember the listing in the newspaper had file names refering to lesbians, farm animals and scat.
Well needless to say the directories went away and the system administrator transferred. Now its just a funny memory. ( The system adminstrators career did not suffer; he is now a senior systems person at the University )
This "Awards" are more of a mini directory listing than an true awards. The slashdot blurb states "The article outlines the very best of the best of the web", but on the actual site it is clear that there is no such claim. This is just a list of interesting sites, worth browsing in some scientific oriented categories. I think this is a good service. Hopefully it stays up for some time, and does not grow to much. I think large directory structures, like Yahoo's web directory listings are not terribly useful for browsing. I miss the early ninties when I could browse from home page to home page with individuals listing 5 to 10 interesting sites each. Now days I usually just browse from slashdot; in fact, excuse me while I return to browsing these science links.
For example here is an article on this topic:
Spy agency taps into undersea cable
from May 22, 2001, which talks about "the Navy is deep into
a five-year, $1 billion retrofit of the USS Jimmy Carter,"
I forgot to paste in the link:/ bottoml ine/lashinsky/index.htm
http://money.cnn.com/2002/05/30/commentary
The slashdot blurb focuses on Microsoft's delaying earnings to smooth out earnings reports and make sure they keep better expectations. Here is an article that explores the hypothesis that Microsoft is hiding earnings because as a monopoly they want to control the impression of success. "Well, when you're a
monopoly, churning out what some anti-capitalists believe are obscene
earnings year after year, you just might find it in your best
interests to hold back a bit, this analyst says." I think that this hypothesis is more severe than the smoothing hypothesis. Smoothing earnings is somwhat benign, your just covering up volatility. Hiding earnings over the long term to descrease the bad taste of being a monopoly is more corrupting.
In a top notch piece of reporting we are told the defense department is investigating how an antiques dealer bought a bunch of defense related parts at an unclaimed property sale at a warehouse and then sold them on ebay for a profit. I imagine a house subcommittee will soon be on the case also. My parents own warehouses. Unclaimed property sales are standard proceedures. Neither the warehouse owner or the buyer knows ahead of time what is being sold. Since there is no mystery there, the government investigators must be stuck on how exactly someone gets an item listed on ebay. I have actually found the ebay interface fairly understandable, but if the investigator are not computer savy it may present some problems I am sure. Next step of course will be to investigate how exactly the antique dealer got that little blue star next to his name. Very suspecious indeed.
I suggest TV is a better analogy for broadband than electricity. Can you imagine your cable bill varying based on how much your TV was on? This idea does not really work since much of the time the TV is on you are watching commercials. If you got charged by the minute for watching TV you would not stand for the cable company selling you commercial TV. The internet now is alot like commercial TV. When I read the news on cnn.com or wherever I expend bandwidth on commercial "flash" banners and popups. I don't mind with broadband; it doesn't really slow things down and at some level moving shapes and flashing colors make me happy. But I would want a 'text only' web if it was a metered service.
The first thing I do when I sit down at a Microsoft operating system is to move the taskbar to the top of the screen. I simply cannot deal with pushing up the start menu. I think menus should be pulled down. Please never use a menu that pushes up.
I have always assumed that this was a shallow effort on Microsofts part to be different from the Mac OS. Is this documented.
> If you think, for instance, that a mouse is an >intuitive device, you should see 80
> year-olds who never touched a computer before >try to figure them out.
I once was helping my grandmother with her win95 over the phone. I wanted her to move the pointer to the top of the screen and kept saying 'move the mouse up'. She eventually replied. The cord won't let me lift it any higher.
> Rather than considering so-called 'intuitive' >controls, the goal should be to develop methods >which are built upon existing and well-known >ones.
I would agree that most of the time you should choose what is familiar. But you should allow for thinking outside the box in interface design a little bit so that we might possibly stumble upon something better.
I was teaching my grandmother that buttons with x's on them mean close. This was not intuitive to her. I was habit for me. ( she had to learn how to close all over again when she got new software because she did not pick up the pattern. ) Maybe someone will think of a method of closing things that grandmothers will learn more quickly. But unless your really sure that it is easier to learn you should stick with the familiar.
What you are arguing is that volatility tends to increase with time unless there are dampening factors. Well there are dampening factors: transaction costs, capital gains tax, and eight hour trading days. I sure you can list more but this is a start. In a lot of ways we are tending toward decreasing each of these factors, for example going to a 24 hour trading day, but I for one am not scared of out of control volatility.
You can argue that the market provides value as
a vehicle for hedging. Remember hedging is like
insurance, you create a position to protect
yourself against risk exposure that you cannot
otherwise control.
In order for people and companies to have the
ability to hedge, there needs to be liquidity.
That is where the speculative traders come in.
Speculative traders are not protecting, they are
gambling. But they are needed by the hedgers
because they provide someone to trade with.
I would imagine that revenues have been much more impacted by used CD sales then by online piracy. I mean I have been around long enough to remember pre-CD days and I have to say that CDs have created a much more robust used market than every existed in the days of tapes and lps. Now if I think to myself, hmm I won't mind hearing a old stones album for example. I can almost surely find it for six bucks. And you know what none of that six bucks goes to the music industry. There aught to be a law, my god. Now if the could somehow prevert our economic system so that sailing used CDs was illegal, I eventually would brake down and pay fifteen dollars to hear that Stones album. Maybe I would'nt buy as many or as often, maybe about a third as may CD's but the industry would be getting there cut again. As for online music. Bootlegged concerts are much more common in my estimation and a lot of bands are generous about allowing the reproduction of these things. Real "stolen" music requires dealing with annoying warez sites full of popups to finaly usually get top 40 singles that the radio is giving away for free anyway. Finally going over the internet loop results in some ( or a lot depending ) loss of quality. Used CDs retain the original quality. Does your senetor know about this?
I do not presume to know Bjarne's motivation but I do disagree with your judgement of people plugging their work. Have you noticed that people do the talk show circuit only when the have a project to sell. Do you distrust them for this. Talk show, book signings, taveling to a conference to give a talk, all the same thing. I found the way he pluged his papers and books very comforting. He's just a guy (bright and talented) that is working for a living and has produced some stuff that he is proud of and is rewarded for financialy. That makes him seem more real to me.
I would grant you that it is easy to write and read, but it suffers from bad association with the horrible compiler that apple puts out for NT. God am I glad I don't have to work with that everyday anymore. I never had a chance to try the compiler on the MACH system or on a MAC but I have been told by people who have that the IDE is weak compared to Visual Studio/Borland Builder type IDEs. Of course I do most of my programming on a SUN system without an IDE so that is not terrible critical. Now that I think about it, it was the IDE and WebObjects together that was buggy. Just random thoughts. Forgive.