Is it a failure, or is it just that you don't like it? A lot of people use Gnome 3 every day on all kinds of desktops and laptops. Yes it's different and if you want Gnome 2 you will have to look at something like Mate or Xfce. But a lot of people use it and like it.
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Yes, they have fixed that problem; at least if we're thinking about the same problem.
It's certainly made for both desktops and laptops. That's how most people use it, claiming anything else is just ridiculous. I'm sure a lot of people would love to see Gnome running on a tablet, but we're not there yet in terms of hardware.
That's good. The version number means nothing since Debian backported the fix rather than upgrading bash completely, but the check above didn't say vulnerable so you're clear.
I see. Well, all I can suggest if you absolutely want to run Debian GNU/Linux is that you try the testing branch. Either that or wait until you have something that works on it. It takes time for stable to stabilize, that's both a godsend and a curse.
How many machines are out there that don't have a DVD drive? OK, I have one, gathering dust. I'll modify the question: how many machines are in use that have a CD drive but not a DVD one?
The last time I used Live Build, it produces (by default) an image that will work on USB or optical media. http://live.debian.net/manual/...
If size is the problem, you can customize what packages are installed till you get below 700M.
No really sure what you're whining about, to be honest.
My laptop is three years old and doesn't have an optical drive at all.
After something like 20 years I finally found a system that won't run Debian unstable right now. My Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 magnesium tablet + iKey Jumpseat magnesium keyboard. Systemd and GDM break. Bought (for less than full price) because I am a frequent traveler and speaker and really do need something you can drop from 6 feet and pour coffee over have it keep working.
Why do you run unstable on something that you absolutely need working? You should run stable, or at least testing.
No logging from systemd is now in binary form and needs special viewers and processing tools. So all the classic text programs like tail or grep or awk can no longer be used. This is a solution in search of a problem.
You say that as if that's a bad thing and that we can't possibly do better than tail, grep and awk. I've personally found that thanks to journald it's actually easier to find things now since I don't have dig through individual gzipped logrotated files anymore. I can specify exactly what I want to look at, from where I want to start and where I want to end. And if I really want to I can still pipe the output that I get from that into perl, grep and all sorts of things.
Gnome has been the default but about a year ago they switched testing over to Xfce just to see how things would work out. Apparently they decided that Gnome was a better default and changed it back.
If you want to install Debian that way you can, but it's up to you to do it. Debian installs a nice looking accessible desktop by default since that's usually what most beginners want, and Gnome works very well for that purpose.
I have stopped using Gnome ever since the developers decided to stop listening to the users and fucked up the whole thing
I switched to Gnome with version 3.8. I used to use fvwm before that and I'm still using it on some systems, but it's mostly due to laziness on my part. Gnome 3 is now my main environment and I actually like it.
Well, the idea was to improve it. I for one think it's an improvement. I suggest you try it and if you still don't like it there's always Mate or Xfce. But I really think you should check out Gnome 3.14 first, there's been a lot of change since the early releases.
Well, that's constructive. It has Systemd, it was one of the first distributions to jump on it nearly three years ago. I guess that means you don't want to use it and hasn't for the past couple of years.
Why would you run them on the server? Those management apps, the standard way is that you run them locally and tunnel the traffic to the machine. The way you access most machines is either through ssh or a serial terminal.
Arch, Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, RHEL, Ubuntu have all either migrated to Systemd or are in the process of switching to it. They are the big ones that most people use.
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Take a look again at the command you just ran. You're still invoking bash.
Is it a failure, or is it just that you don't like it? A lot of people use Gnome 3 every day on all kinds of desktops and laptops. Yes it's different and if you want Gnome 2 you will have to look at something like Mate or Xfce. But a lot of people use it and like it.
Yes, they have fixed that problem; at least if we're thinking about the same problem.
does anyone even use that rubbish? Did they all of a sudden start listening to what users wanted and needed?
Yes. A lot of people use Gnome. Maybe not all of /. readers, but we are hardly representative.
Unfortunately, no.
It's certainly made for both desktops and laptops. That's how most people use it, claiming anything else is just ridiculous. I'm sure a lot of people would love to see Gnome running on a tablet, but we're not there yet in terms of hardware.
It's a big issue if you're using locked-down ssh, for example in a git server.
Stable is priority number one, testing and unstable will follow.
That's good. The version number means nothing since Debian backported the fix rather than upgrading bash completely, but the check above didn't say vulnerable so you're clear.
I see. Well, all I can suggest if you absolutely want to run Debian GNU/Linux is that you try the testing branch. Either that or wait until you have something that works on it. It takes time for stable to stabilize, that's both a godsend and a curse.
As I understand it, XFCE worked out just fine.
Debian 7 Fast and Rock Solid Stable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
GNOME 3.4 is default in Debian 7. Xfce has only been the default on testing.
So why switch, and go with a total POS like Gnome3?
There are many reasons. Like for example accessibility features, more reliable upstream releases and better systemd integration.
How many machines are out there that don't have a DVD drive? OK, I have one, gathering dust. I'll modify the question: how many machines are in use that have a CD drive but not a DVD one?
The last time I used Live Build, it produces (by default) an image that will work on USB or optical media.
http://live.debian.net/manual/...
If size is the problem, you can customize what packages are installed till you get below 700M.
No really sure what you're whining about, to be honest.
My laptop is three years old and doesn't have an optical drive at all.
If you have 50 servers you should really take a look at pxe and installing it over the network with tools like FAI.
After something like 20 years I finally found a system that won't run Debian unstable right now. My Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 magnesium tablet + iKey Jumpseat magnesium keyboard. Systemd and GDM break. Bought (for less than full price) because I am a frequent traveler and speaker and really do need something you can drop from 6 feet and pour coffee over have it keep working.
Why do you run unstable on something that you absolutely need working? You should run stable, or at least testing.
No logging from systemd is now in binary form and needs special viewers and processing tools. So all the classic text programs like tail or grep or awk can no longer be used. This is a solution in search of a problem.
You say that as if that's a bad thing and that we can't possibly do better than tail, grep and awk. I've personally found that thanks to journald it's actually easier to find things now since I don't have dig through individual gzipped logrotated files anymore. I can specify exactly what I want to look at, from where I want to start and where I want to end. And if I really want to I can still pipe the output that I get from that into perl, grep and all sorts of things.
Actually, it is. Everything that goes into stable is tested. That's of course not a guarantee that there won't be bugs though.
That is certainly not the case. Please be more vague.
Gnome has been the default but about a year ago they switched testing over to Xfce just to see how things would work out. Apparently they decided that Gnome was a better default and changed it back.
If you want to install Debian that way you can, but it's up to you to do it. Debian installs a nice looking accessible desktop by default since that's usually what most beginners want, and Gnome works very well for that purpose.
I have stopped using Gnome ever since the developers decided to stop listening to the users and fucked up the whole thing
I switched to Gnome with version 3.8. I used to use fvwm before that and I'm still using it on some systems, but it's mostly due to laziness on my part. Gnome 3 is now my main environment and I actually like it.
Well, the idea was to improve it. I for one think it's an improvement. I suggest you try it and if you still don't like it there's always Mate or Xfce. But I really think you should check out Gnome 3.14 first, there's been a lot of change since the early releases.
Yep, and there's even a spin that installs Mate by default.
Well, that's constructive. It has Systemd, it was one of the first distributions to jump on it nearly three years ago. I guess that means you don't want to use it and hasn't for the past couple of years.
Why would you run them on the server? Those management apps, the standard way is that you run them locally and tunnel the traffic to the machine. The way you access most machines is either through ssh or a serial terminal.
Arch, Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, RHEL, Ubuntu have all either migrated to Systemd or are in the process of switching to it. They are the big ones that most people use.