The "unalienable rights" verbiage doesn't really figure into a 2nd amendment discussion.
The phrase "unalienable rights" doesn't even occur in the Constitution (the document our legislators and president are sworn to uphold.)
"Unalienable rights" appears in the Declaration of Independence; which is more of a "rah, rah, freedom!" document.
In context: "...all men are created *equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
You DON'T need to pass a test in order to drive a car. You need to pass a test in order to drive a car on public roads. On private property, you don't need a license at all.
The difference is subtle, but very important.
Re-mapping the analogy back to guns, this would suggest that there can be no restrictions the ownership of weapons, or their use on private property, but the bearing of one on public property can be subject to licensing.
Just to flog an already tenuous analogy completely to death...
You can't drive on a public street without a license because at that point you become a hazard to the public, not just the people on your property.
A.22LR 40 gr will travel 1.14 miles. A..223 55 gr will travel 2.2 miles. A 9mm 124 gr will travel 1.36 miles. A.45 ACP 230 gr will travel 1.02 miles. A 7.62 (NATO ball - typical) will travel 2.31 miles. A.50 BMG will travel 4.35 miles.
So you become a hazard to the public pretty much the moment you pull the trigger.
(Do you really want to return to a mandatory draft in the US?)
Yes, actually (as a flaming liberal): perhaps if everyone had to serve in the military then there'd be some resistance to militarism. You notice the Swiss haven't bombed any Middle East sandpits lately?
So, yes, there are LOTS of guns in Switzerland. But very, very different rules.
I think the more salient point is the different culture...
Agree! Having spent a little time in Switzerland I came to appreciate their very different cultural attitude of "alles in ordnung" (which is Hochdeutsch, not Schwyzerdütsch) which means, sort of; "Everything in order." Hard to describe, but just picture the way they run things at Disneyland to get an idea.
I agree that a mandatory draft might be a good thing, but it might have a negative effect on the economy with so many able-bodied young men out of the workforce. It might have a positive long-term effect however - once all those young men come back with training in following instructions, leadership skills, a good work ethic, etc.
The PEOPLE weren't given these rights. They were born with these rights. The 2nd amendment prevents government from taking these rights away.
Not really.
An amendment is just an addition to the constitution. They are written by people.
They can be added, and changed, and they can be repealed.
At any time there can be a change (a "repeal with re-enactment") or repeal the 2nd amendment.
"A repeal without replacement is generally done when a law is no longer effective, or it is shown that a law is having far more negative consequences than were originally envisioned."
It is the constitution itself that provides for changing the amendments:
"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article, and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of it's equal Suffrage in the Senate."
It always cracks me up to hear people say, "We can't change it!! It's an amendment!!" If they actually read the constitution, they would know that it provides for change.
So what's your point. All you've done is prove that an armed citizenry is a polite citizenry. Hardy justification for arms confiscation. Just the opposite.
Hey great! I'm glad we agree.
Let's go ahead and pass the mandatory military draft law for all males, and proceed with confiscation of all firearms for anyone who has not finished their full military service.
Just like Switzerland.
You call NRA and let them know we're improving the system.
See Switzerland. Vastly higher gun possession rate, gun death rate less than half of the US rate.
They have a very different setup from the US.
First: ALL able-bodied male Swiss citizens are drafted into the military around 20. All. (Do you really want to return to a mandatory draft in the US?) In the military they get extensive training in weapons safety, weapons handling, following order, etc. Those with an exemption from service pay an additional 3% of annual income tax until the age of 30. (So draft, or more taxes. No escape.)
Second: Every male head-of-household (remember, these are now former military) is required to maintain a working firearm. (They have the option of retaining their service weapon, but it is de-milled to remove full-auto operation.) [There is an upper age cutoff for this, I forget what it is.]
So, yes, there are LOTS of guns in Switzerland. But very, very different rules.
If you think sitting there fat asses on a couch is better more power too ya DOC.. You people amaze me anything to prove someone wrong. And ya my kid played sports and was not a fat lazy couch potato. Go google that moron
I never said I promote "sitting there (s.i.c.) fat asses on a couch"
I just doubt that "Football,wrestling,basketball,gym class" are safer than this:
Football,wrestling,basketball,gym class. Any of these activities reduce stress and mush healthier then playing video games.
Really? Because I thought that since there are 3.5 million sports injuries to children each year, that those things would be less healthy.
"More than 775,000 children, ages 14 and under, are treated in hospital emergency rooms for sports-related injuries each year." I don't know, maybe there are even more video game injuries being treated in ERs each year; I couldn't find a stat on that...
Maybe I am misremembering but didn't the underwear bomber get into Detroit, go through TSA and then try to ignite his payload on another flight? It's been so long, so if I am mistaken, then please accept my apologies.
This is/. no apologies necessary... You were close: He first flew from Nigeria to Amsterdam. In Amsterdam he transferred to a flight heading towards Detroit. About 40 minutes out of Detroit, he tried to activate.
However, he did leave us with the fabulous catchphrase:
Is that 80 grams of pentaerythritol tetranitrate and triacetone triperoxide in your pants...
Last I checked, and I know is true at least at YVR (Vancouver, BC, Canada), the TSA and US Customs have workers at foreign airports to screen passengers and luggage that are inbound to US destinations before they board the plane.
Can't speak for Vancouver (or Amsterdam, or Paris, for that matter) But coming to US from Japan, Germany, Vietnam, UK, etc. as far as I could tell all security was conducted by Locals. Germany (Berlin-Schönefeld) seemed more strict than any US screenings.
You may be right if there was some "behind the scenes" screening going on...
In both cases it was not the passengers subduing the attackers which prevented the deaths of those onboard... but instead luck that neither device went off.
Of course this happened AFTER he got through TSA screening.
Not technically correct in either case: The "Underware bomber" (Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab) was coming from Amsterdam.
The "Shoe Bomber" (Richard Colvin Reid) was inbound from Paris.
So neither one had been screened by US TSA.
You have obviously never traveled internationally since 9/11. You get dumped out at Immigration in the US. You go through the immigration desk. You collect your bags, and then you proceed to either A) Leave the airport or B) go through security to move on to your next flight. You cannot even board another international bound flight without going through customs and security. At least this has been my experience at SFO, DC, Atlanta and Chicago airports.
Actually I have. Recently coming to US from UK (Heathrow) as far as I could tell all security was conducted by Brits. By the time I got to US security, I was already on the ground in the US.
In both cases it was not the passengers subduing the attackers which prevented the deaths of those onboard... but instead luck that neither device went off.
Of course this happened AFTER he got through TSA screening.
Not technically correct in either case: The "Underware bomber" (Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab) was coming from Amsterdam.
The "Shoe Bomber" (Richard Colvin Reid) was inbound from Paris.
Procedural city building like this was done back on the Peter Jackson "King Kong" back in 2005 by Joe Letteri.
They called their system "CityBot - Urban Development System" Using this system they were able to create "...over 90,000 3D digital buildings..." out of "...22 million components..."
Exactly my point... mcgrew doesn't seem to realize that the low-pass filter before sampling will remove ALL the harmonics from the 15kHz sawtooth wave, leaving... TA-DA!... a 15kHz sine wave, which is sampled and reconstructed perfectly by the CD.
I have no idea why he keeps trotting out this "3 crests isn't enough to reproduce the waveshape" crap. The 15kHz fundamental is the only frequency you can hear in that sawtooth wave, and thus the only one you should be concerned about reproducing. You can do that with only 2 sample points per cycle, if your sampling rate is > 30kHz.
Yes, thanks! I think people get confused that complex wave shapes are really just a sum of a bunch of different frequency simple sines. (Fourier)
Additionally, they also don't realize the difference between the fundamental notes played in music and those much-higher harmonics that make the waveforms. I get the impression from some comments that they think there are people singing and playing guitar notes up at 15k - 20k.
So why do you think a 15kHz sawtooth wave should look like anything other than a sine wave once you filter out everything above 20kHz?
Well, it will have it's characteristic harmonic structure (of both odd and even harmonics) up 'til you hit 20k. And trust me, you can't hear the difference.
But, rather than explain why you are unlikely to have people actually playing notes up at 15k (except of course Mariah Carey, who sings up there!) why don't you hear it for yourself:
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Well, and better health care, better mental health care especially, orders of magnitude less income inequality, social mobility, etc...
...better chocolates, weirder artists, better skiing, more secure banks...
The "unalienable rights" verbiage doesn't really figure into a 2nd amendment discussion.
The phrase "unalienable rights" doesn't even occur in the Constitution (the document our legislators and president are sworn to uphold.)
"Unalienable rights" appears in the Declaration of Independence; which is more of a "rah, rah, freedom!" document.
In context: "...all men are created *equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
So, no mention of guns as an "unalienable right!"
* This being written by slave owners.
The problem with that analogy is this:
You DON'T need to pass a test in order to drive a car. You need to pass a test in order to drive a car on public roads. On private property, you don't need a license at all.
The difference is subtle, but very important.
Re-mapping the analogy back to guns, this would suggest that there can be no restrictions the ownership of weapons, or their use on private property, but the bearing of one on public property can be subject to licensing.
Just to flog an already tenuous analogy completely to death...
You can't drive on a public street without a license because at that point you become a hazard to the public, not just the people on your property.
A .22LR 40 gr will travel 1.14 miles. ..223 55 gr will travel 2.2 miles. .45 ACP 230 gr will travel 1.02 miles. .50 BMG will travel 4.35 miles.
A
A 9mm 124 gr will travel 1.36 miles.
A
A 7.62 (NATO ball - typical) will travel 2.31 miles.
A
So you become a hazard to the public pretty much the moment you pull the trigger.
First you would have to present evidence that the draft is the cause of the low incidence of crime using firearms. I say it is the training.
Well, the draft leads to training, so we agree...
(Do you really want to return to a mandatory draft in the US?)
Yes, actually (as a flaming liberal): perhaps if everyone had to serve in the military then there'd be some resistance to militarism. You notice the Swiss haven't bombed any Middle East sandpits lately?
So, yes, there are LOTS of guns in Switzerland. But very, very different rules.
I think the more salient point is the different culture...
Agree! Having spent a little time in Switzerland I came to appreciate their very different cultural attitude of "alles in ordnung" (which is Hochdeutsch, not Schwyzerdütsch) which means, sort of; "Everything in order." Hard to describe, but just picture the way they run things at Disneyland to get an idea.
I agree that a mandatory draft might be a good thing, but it might have a negative effect on the economy with so many able-bodied young men out of the workforce. It might have a positive long-term effect however - once all those young men come back with training in following instructions, leadership skills, a good work ethic, etc.
" that they were given these rights."
The PEOPLE weren't given these rights. They were born with these rights. The 2nd amendment prevents government from taking these rights away.
Not really.
An amendment is just an addition to the constitution. They are written by people.
They can be added, and changed, and they can be repealed.
At any time there can be a change (a "repeal with re-enactment") or repeal the 2nd amendment.
"A repeal without replacement is generally done when a law is no longer effective, or it is shown that a law is having far more negative consequences than were originally envisioned."
It is the constitution itself that provides for changing the amendments:
"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article, and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of it's equal Suffrage in the Senate."
It always cracks me up to hear people say, "We can't change it!! It's an amendment!!"
If they actually read the constitution, they would know that it provides for change.
So what's your point.
All you've done is prove that an armed citizenry is a polite citizenry.
Hardy justification for arms confiscation. Just the opposite.
Hey great! I'm glad we agree.
Let's go ahead and pass the mandatory military draft law for all males, and proceed with confiscation of all firearms for anyone who has not finished their full military service.
Just like Switzerland.
You call NRA and let them know we're improving the system.
See Switzerland. Vastly higher gun possession rate, gun death rate less than half of the US rate.
They have a very different setup from the US.
First: ALL able-bodied male Swiss citizens are drafted into the military around 20. All.
(Do you really want to return to a mandatory draft in the US?)
In the military they get extensive training in weapons safety, weapons handling, following order, etc.
Those with an exemption from service pay an additional 3% of annual income tax until the age of 30.
(So draft, or more taxes. No escape.)
Second: Every male head-of-household (remember, these are now former military) is required to maintain a working firearm. (They have the option of retaining their service weapon, but it is de-milled to remove full-auto operation.) [There is an upper age cutoff for this, I forget what it is.]
So, yes, there are LOTS of guns in Switzerland. But very, very different rules.
Don't make fun. This is the only kind of condom most people around here are every going to have a chance to use.
Hey, there's always that one that's been in your wallet since 1993... you could blow it up like a funny balloon.
A little company called int3.cc has developed a product—a USB condom—that blocks the data pins in your USB device while leaving the power pins free.
If you consider something that blocks the middle of the male end but leaves the sides open to be a "condom," you might want to see a doctor. Soon.
If you consider that it allows for insertion without allowing the flow of information, the comparison might be more correct than you think.
Yes. But I hate charging with these 'cause it just doesn't feel as good...
If you think sitting there fat asses on a couch is better more power too ya DOC.. You people amaze me anything to prove someone wrong. And ya my kid played sports and was not a fat lazy couch potato. Go google that moron
I never said I promote "sitting there (s.i.c.) fat asses on a couch"
I just doubt that "Football,wrestling,basketball,gym class" are safer than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QpLUKGDFVM&feature=player_detailpage#t=63
Football,wrestling,basketball,gym class. Any of these activities reduce stress and mush healthier then playing video games.
Really? Because I thought that since there are 3.5 million sports injuries to children each year, that those things would be less healthy.
"More than 775,000 children, ages 14 and under, are treated in hospital emergency rooms for sports-related injuries each year."
I don't know, maybe there are even more video game injuries being treated in ERs each year; I couldn't find a stat on that...
So you don't injure yourself Googling:
http://www.lpch.org/DiseaseHealthInfo/HealthLibrary/orthopaedics/stats.html
If they'd discovered his Whip-App, he would have been accused of racism too.
Not to mention the beer app, since he's under 21.
Wait till they find GTA 4 on his computer.
Then they can charge him with auto theft, too.
Maybe I am misremembering but didn't the underwear bomber get into Detroit, go through TSA and then try to ignite his payload on another flight? It's been so long, so if I am mistaken, then please accept my apologies.
This is /. no apologies necessary...
You were close:
He first flew from Nigeria to Amsterdam.
In Amsterdam he transferred to a flight heading towards Detroit.
About 40 minutes out of Detroit, he tried to activate.
However, he did leave us with the fabulous catchphrase:
Is that 80 grams of pentaerythritol tetranitrate and triacetone triperoxide in your pants...
But with this new product:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/apple-unveils-panicked-ideafree-man-at-launch-even,33814/
Apple isn't even British.
No, they're Irish.
Apple's share of the smartphone market is the best it is have ever been.
http://i.imgur.com/EVirL7S.jpg
...which is sad - considering that it's only 17%
http://tinyurl.com/p2l3vkz
Last I checked, and I know is true at least at YVR (Vancouver, BC, Canada), the TSA and US Customs have workers at foreign airports to screen passengers and luggage that are inbound to US destinations before they board the plane.
Can't speak for Vancouver (or Amsterdam, or Paris, for that matter) But coming to US from Japan, Germany, Vietnam, UK, etc. as far as I could tell all security was conducted by Locals. Germany (Berlin-Schönefeld) seemed more strict than any US screenings.
You may be right if there was some "behind the scenes" screening going on...
In both cases it was not the passengers subduing the attackers which prevented the deaths of those onboard... but instead luck that neither device went off.
Of course this happened AFTER he got through TSA screening.
Not technically correct in either case:
The "Underware bomber" (Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab) was coming from Amsterdam.
The "Shoe Bomber" (Richard Colvin Reid) was inbound from Paris.
So neither one had been screened by US TSA.
You have obviously never traveled internationally since 9/11. You get dumped out at Immigration in the US. You go through the immigration desk. You collect your bags, and then you proceed to either A) Leave the airport or B) go through security to move on to your next flight. You cannot even board another international bound flight without going through customs and security. At least this has been my experience at SFO, DC, Atlanta and Chicago airports.
Actually I have. Recently coming to US from UK (Heathrow) as far as I could tell all security was conducted by Brits. By the time I got to US security, I was already on the ground in the US.
Woods was actually the one who rescued King after the car crash, and even took King home to recover in his house; but he was already a huge fan.
King had to give him the 'continuity job' or Wood would have cut off his foot with an axe.
We'll just reprogram the tumors to be extra testicles. Even in women. Problem solved.
Yeah, "Problem solved" 'til you get your hand up her dress and..... "uh oh!"
In both cases it was not the passengers subduing the attackers which prevented the deaths of those onboard... but instead luck that neither device went off.
Of course this happened AFTER he got through TSA screening.
Not technically correct in either case:
The "Underware bomber" (Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab) was coming from Amsterdam.
The "Shoe Bomber" (Richard Colvin Reid) was inbound from Paris.
So neither one had been screened by US TSA.
Procedural city building like this was done back on the Peter Jackson "King Kong" back in 2005 by Joe Letteri.
They called their system "CityBot - Urban Development System"
Using this system they were able to create "...over 90,000 3D digital buildings..." out of "...22 million components..."
Article by Chris White @ Weta Digital:
http://staffwww.itn.liu.se/~andyn/courses/tncg08/sketches06/sketches/0147-white.pdf
Exactly my point... mcgrew doesn't seem to realize that the low-pass filter before sampling will remove ALL the harmonics from the 15kHz sawtooth wave, leaving... TA-DA! ... a 15kHz sine wave, which is sampled and reconstructed perfectly by the CD.
I have no idea why he keeps trotting out this "3 crests isn't enough to reproduce the waveshape" crap. The 15kHz fundamental is the only frequency you can hear in that sawtooth wave, and thus the only one you should be concerned about reproducing. You can do that with only 2 sample points per cycle, if your sampling rate is > 30kHz.
Yes, thanks!
I think people get confused that complex wave shapes are really just a sum of a bunch of different frequency simple sines. (Fourier)
Additionally, they also don't realize the difference between the fundamental notes played in music and those much-higher harmonics that make the waveforms. I get the impression from some comments that they think there are people singing and playing guitar notes up at 15k - 20k.
So why do you think a 15kHz sawtooth wave should look like anything other than a sine wave once you filter out everything above 20kHz?
Well, it will have it's characteristic harmonic structure (of both odd and even harmonics) up 'til you hit 20k. And trust me, you can't hear the difference.
But, rather than explain why you are unlikely to have people actually playing notes up at 15k (except of course Mariah Carey, who sings up there!) why don't you hear it for yourself:
First, go here and generate a 15k sawtooth (be sure to set sample rate to 48k)
http://www.audiocheck.net/audiofrequencysignalgenerator_sawtoothtone.php
It will create a file you can download on your computer.
Then go here:
http://www.audiocheck.net/audiofrequencysignalgenerator_sinetone.php
and generate a 15k sine (again, be sure to set sample rate to 48k)
Then A/B them on your computer (or high-end sound system if you can.)
[Careful, don't fry your tweeters.]
Please let us know your results!