Why would the government consider anyone else, they want to keep a monopoly active for Microsoft. The bigger Microsoft gets the bigger kick backs the government can get it's simple math.
Could they go open source, sure but that wont make them nearly as much money as going with Microsoft, after all there not looking to buy quality there just looking to buy a solution, so think Microsoft.
I know what it says but if they ever tried to enforce it they would meet should an uprising of computer users they'd take it right back.
They have it there so when someone gets busted with 1000 TB's of Child Porn Bell and Rogers can say "Oh well they can't run the server which hosted that"
Your right, thats a fair statement, but in general if a house is using 100GB a month your probably downloading torrents alot. Not guaranteed but it's probable.
Yes they do, I've had 3 rogers Internet connections and ran servers across all of them. My friends on Bell etc... run Servers on there connections. Rogers / Bell etc.... don't care if you do.
I don't believe that for one second. You can blow 2 GB from leaving your computer on with a browser open. I'm not calling you a liar but Bell should re run the numbers. I know many many many families who use 60GB + a month and 1/2 of the people in them are so dumb with computers they can't find the any key.
Why not make the cap reasonable, 60 GB is literally nothing for an average consumer. I often use up to an exceeding 100GB / month. 60GB is fine if your a light user and thats all you are if your using 60GB, but start some servers, host some web pages and even a little downloading and you'll quickly get up and see 100GB/month.
So what I'm really say is why not make the cap reasonable and move it to 100GB, that will fit all users, past 100GB and your not being to legit on what your downloading.
Are you kidding, sueing a kid because an old woman was accidentally struck. If the kids backed the car into her fine, but because she didn't move out of the way this isn't there fault.
Here's what they should do, Take 10 Billion have a massive pizza party for all of the US and then give 20 Billion to Intelligence and put the rest in the economy.
If you have a web browser app it's time to reprogram it and have it work on better more robust browsers. Back in the day IE was decent but now it's one of the worst browsers on the market. I understand that money is tied up with these old application but how long do you want to sit there on IE6 and stop any chance of updating.
More so then reprogramming web apps to run on new IE versions, why not reprogram the web apps so it runs on any browser, this will prevent future update issues. Web development is very similar to desktop programming, the best way to make the app in the first place is to start fresh and make it 100% compatible with all platforms or in the this case all browsers.
Spend the money once and make a great cross browser program and never look back. Nothing will be gained by waiting for IE6 to be ported up to Windows 7, the problem is that the programs aren't really made right in the first place, if they were IE6 would not be the only issue.
I GUI is bad idea when you don't know the CLI. A CLI is a true interface to the system, a GUI is a covered up point to access the system. So what I'm I say, never run a Desktop, NO of course not. A GUI is great but only when you don't relie on the GUI to be your life line. If you see a bash prompt and give up and reinstall then you aren't ready to even run a GUI.
This term we had to get Linux put on our machines at school. It took 3 weeks for IT to install Ubuntu. Before we had a Ubuntu install ready, I had an Arch install ready to go. When I told my prof all we had to do was to pacman -S xorg-server gnome. He said NO because were not going to work on the CLI and it's to much control to give the other students in my class.
People have become so reliant on the fact there nice comfy GUI will be there, they don't want to even see a "localhost>", Even when the solution can take 10 min there are people who will reject it so they can see a GUI. It goes even more then this though.
When I tell my profs I made a Graphic Interface for our robot project the first thing they were concered about was that it could be compiled and used in a graphic enviroment. When I said no it can't and they have to deal with it they didn't want to use it.
I'm not saying they don't know how to work the command line but there not willing to use it when it makes there job so easy. There is very little that can't be done from a command line but there is a ton that can't be easily done from a GUI. If you shy away from the command line your really shying away from the operating system.
Well let me say this I just upgrade to Windows 7 and I've never looked back. There were two high points after Windows 2000 / Me for the desktop, XP and 7. Vista was an experimentation on how badly an OS can get screwed up and it lead to advancements being taking in 7. Even as as Linux user I can say that I like XP and 7, they work, there quick and not over bloated and they do what an OS should. Allow you to run your programs quickly and acuratly with little crashing. Now vista on the other hand, that was the one week I couldn't go back to Linux fast enough!!!!
XP was a solid system, it was fast, nice graphics and everything seem to have a logical place. I would compare it to Ubuntu 7.04 ( of course I'm a Gentoo user so thats my closest compairison). 7 brings the best of XP up to a new user experiance and does it well. I would rate Windows 7 to be just on par with a good Linux distro and thats saying alot. Windows has never really been able to compare to a good Linux install, in terms of speed, user experiance and over all features. This might be the first time Windows and Linux are on a fair field and I'm happy about it.
XP was great and 7 is great and it's nice to finally have Microsoft turning out quality Operating Systems, of course after Vista you really couldn't get worse I mean even Me was better then Vista and thats saying alot.
I don't need insight to know that perforce is a steaming turd. I've used both Git and Perforce and I will say for 100% that Git is much better SCM system. Not just because it's open source but because it actually accomplishes what were looking for which is SCM and not what we think we need such as SCM + extra's + interface = perforce.
Git is a much better SCM system then most of the thousand / million dollar systems out there. Currently I'm working perforce and I can tell you that it brings nothing to the table that I can't get with Git. When I told my prof we should just set up a Git server instead for free he made a big speech about not using Open Source. I can only imagine that his rejection is due to the fact that Open Source has been misrepresented and he fines it to lack features. As pure Linux user I can say with 100% confidence that open source projects are better then there closed source cousins, the only exception to this is highly specialized software such as autocad and similar special projects.
If you understand software then you'll understand that open source is the way to go, if you don't understand software or you've been brained wash by microsoft and apple then your going to shine towards using closed source software . If you want to spend a million to get the same function you can for free go ahead. I'll save my million and just use it to by I don't know maybe a house, car, food etc........ Open Source means better more secure software period!
So the app isn't intelligent and it doesn't have ad space, so what? The blackberry might be a widely used phone but that doesn't mean it's actually a good phone. I have a blackberry and it's currently on it's 8th time getting replaced. On this phone alone I'm on the 3rd full OS wipe and reinstall and lets not even talk about the freezing issues. If Rim wants to make an agrument and try to block and app based on how "needed" it is or how much "value" it adds to your phone then I'm laughing.
Rim has yet to develop a good phone OS, it has yet to make reliable hardware then always works and it has yet to start rolling out models that don't have the same problems cycle to cycle. So if someone wants to use 200 Fart, then lets them, it far from the worst thing on the phone because infact the worst thing about Blackberry it's self is the phone and software on it that Rim put on.
Okay lets think about this, Bill Gates made Windows and it's a 1/2 decent Operating System which kinda works. Mark invented Facebook which is a site who's use is to share pictures and join pointless groups. Both of these men have invented a product which in the end isn't that great or special. I'm not saying they haven't done well for them selfs but to pick a fair field, Linus invented Linux ( An actual decent OS ) and he went to school, So the real lesson should be, if you want to end up being successful with a great product, go to school. If you want to be a success and end up with a 1/2 ass product then drop out. A billion dollars made from a shitty product is a shitty billion and thats exact what Facebook and Windows have made for Bill and Mark.
If you don't learn how to code the basics of the language how are you going to have any clue how to prevent issues that are going to come up later. I can't tell you how many guys even in my own program in university will have a C error / leak occur but NO idea how / why it happened and even less of an idea what to do about it. Most of them are to afraid to touch a pointer.
When all of them learned C they learned from doing the biggest amount of BS ever, structured programming!!!! It is the single biggest issue facing programmers.
You could not imagine how many of my profs go on and on about how important structured programming is, how important it is to never break the extents of structured programming. Why you should never use goto, why you should never break from a loop, why you should never make a infinity loop etc... etc... etc....
Basicly there are two valid forms of thought on this, A) You believe in structured programming but understand that a good programming only need know about it and produce great code by taking short cuts or B) You believe that structured programming is the all time most important thing in the world and that anyone who doesn't make strictly structured progrrammers will die.
Where I'm I going with this, All of the type B profs believe in teaching C by showing you a printf, by showing you a arrays BUT never actually getting you to program anything like that. They also have to make sure you know exactly how far you need your loop to run and keep preaching that one day you'll move into OO programming and then you can stop worrying about memory.
All my profs who are type A) show you printf and then have you program it, they show you why to use infinite loops and why pointers are the great invention to programming ever. They also agree that you never need to use bulky OO programming to solve little problems.
To learn a programming langauge just start by re writting what's already been done, learn how the internals work and learn to program by the seat of your pants and if it works it works. in 100% of cases I've seen you'll be a million times better programmer and debugger and you'll understand why shit happens and what to do about it. You'll become that rare programming coming out of post secondary who knows what memory is and why you need to free it and allocate it.
I can say in 100% of cases this makes a programmer a better programmer.
Agreed but making that error once in blue moon is very different from making it once every hour, which I know many C programmers who do. How ever there really is such thing as off by 1, infact C is actually correct in it's implementation. C is modeled after Assembler and because of that how C handles memory is "more correct" then how other languages handle it.
Take a C++ programmer and put him in assembler and laugh, put a bad C programmer in assembler and feel the need to smack him, put a good C programmer in assembler and notice how there is very little effort in the switch.
Anyway, I agree with your arguments, don't get me wrong, I think your points are good and I tend to agree with them, but C doesn't have an off by 1 issue, it's that other languages have a poor implementation of indexing.
Take away the complexity? Thats what OO programming is about and that is how so many programmers can't handle real memory, they can only relate that there object can handle there memory.
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Well I hear what your saying about using C++, on a personal note I stay clear of all OO programming. I'm a bare metal guy, I have never been in a situation that an object couldn't be programed with strict data types. C++ is great when you want to program a sloppy rough function to add objects or to overload the signs + and -, but if you can stick with C and other lower level languages.
As for the off by 1 error, that truely means you don't understand arrays and pointers.
I know these might sound odd but hear me out. Start by trying to rewrite the basic library's. make your own printf, strcpy. strlen etc..... Write copies of your own link list and tree storage methods and above all really really start to understand how memory works.
Another really really important thing that I have learned is stay FAR FAR away from OO programming until your really really comfortable in lower level languages. The reason is that to many students and beginners sit there trying to figure out why there variable started with value X and ended up with value Y only to find out that there object bashed some memory earlier on.
Basically just grab a good C compiler, I mean C COMPILER, not C++, not C#, not F# and start to learn how all the functions you use on a dailiy basis work, it will give you new insight into why and how you can quickly avoid and fix problems when and before they happen. It's also important to get a really really good handle on using a CLI over a GUI, Stay away from Visual Studio and other simular compilers. Use GCC and CC and make sure you look at how LD is working and understand how compilers do optimizations and improvements to your own code. This post is taking about grabbing tool to do Image processing and preform functions that have working solutions. However taking the time to see how the solutions work and why they work will give you good insight into not only great code design but great programming methods. It might seem odd for me to suggest to a beginner to try and rewrite strcpy or strcmp, but once you see how they really work you'll be far less likely to make the simple mistakes that can ground your program / project from working. It's the same say with with a beginner figuring out how malloc works and where memory gets taken from and put to, all of these suggestions are coming from the way I learned to program in C and other languages.
Feel free to throw any of these away or take any of them into your own programming adventure, but one thing is for sure. When you can figure out how the basic functions you use every day work it will save you hours and days of trouble shooting and leave you with a greater pallet of tools to use in the class room and on the job. I welcome and one who wants to add ideas to this post and attack it with there own view points.
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I guess Owl's only became cool after Harry Potter, stupid people blame stupid examples.
Why would the government consider anyone else, they want to keep a monopoly active for Microsoft. The bigger Microsoft gets the bigger kick backs the government can get it's simple math.
Could they go open source, sure but that wont make them nearly as much money as going with Microsoft, after all there not looking to buy quality there just looking to buy a solution, so think Microsoft.
So now we can increase overall cost and force students to buy books that they wouldn't buy normally.
It would of be amazing if Bones stood up and said "Come on spock it's a court room not a space ship"
I know what it says but if they ever tried to enforce it they would meet should an uprising of computer users they'd take it right back.
They have it there so when someone gets busted with 1000 TB's of Child Porn Bell and Rogers can say "Oh well they can't run the server which hosted that"
Your right, thats a fair statement, but in general if a house is using 100GB a month your probably downloading torrents alot. Not guaranteed but it's probable.
Yes they do, I've had 3 rogers Internet connections and ran servers across all of them. My friends on Bell etc... run Servers on there connections. Rogers / Bell etc.... don't care if you do.
I don't believe that for one second. You can blow 2 GB from leaving your computer on with a browser open. I'm not calling you a liar but Bell should re run the numbers. I know many many many families who use 60GB + a month and 1/2 of the people in them are so dumb with computers they can't find the any key.
Why not make the cap reasonable, 60 GB is literally nothing for an average consumer. I often use up to an exceeding 100GB / month. 60GB is fine if your a light user and thats all you are if your using 60GB, but start some servers, host some web pages and even a little downloading and you'll quickly get up and see 100GB/month.
So what I'm really say is why not make the cap reasonable and move it to 100GB, that will fit all users, past 100GB and your not being to legit on what your downloading.
Are you kidding, sueing a kid because an old woman was accidentally struck. If the kids backed the car into her fine, but because she didn't move out of the way this isn't there fault.
Here's what they should do, Take 10 Billion have a massive pizza party for all of the US and then give 20 Billion to Intelligence and put the rest in the economy.
If you have a web browser app it's time to reprogram it and have it work on better more robust browsers. Back in the day IE was decent but now it's one of the worst browsers on the market. I understand that money is tied up with these old application but how long do you want to sit there on IE6 and stop any chance of updating.
More so then reprogramming web apps to run on new IE versions, why not reprogram the web apps so it runs on any browser, this will prevent future update issues. Web development is very similar to desktop programming, the best way to make the app in the first place is to start fresh and make it 100% compatible with all platforms or in the this case all browsers.
Spend the money once and make a great cross browser program and never look back. Nothing will be gained by waiting for IE6 to be ported up to Windows 7, the problem is that the programs aren't really made right in the first place, if they were IE6 would not be the only issue.
A new kernel version for a Linux nerd is like xmas to a 5 year old.
I GUI is bad idea when you don't know the CLI. A CLI is a true interface to the system, a GUI is a covered up point to access the system. So what I'm I say, never run a Desktop, NO of course not. A GUI is great but only when you don't relie on the GUI to be your life line. If you see a bash prompt and give up and reinstall then you aren't ready to even run a GUI.
This term we had to get Linux put on our machines at school. It took 3 weeks for IT to install Ubuntu. Before we had a Ubuntu install ready, I had an Arch install ready to go. When I told my prof all we had to do was to pacman -S xorg-server gnome. He said NO because were not going to work on the CLI and it's to much control to give the other students in my class.
People have become so reliant on the fact there nice comfy GUI will be there, they don't want to even see a "localhost>", Even when the solution can take 10 min there are people who will reject it so they can see a GUI. It goes even more then this though.
When I tell my profs I made a Graphic Interface for our robot project the first thing they were concered about was that it could be compiled and used in a graphic enviroment. When I said no it can't and they have to deal with it they didn't want to use it.
I'm not saying they don't know how to work the command line but there not willing to use it when it makes there job so easy. There is very little that can't be done from a command line but there is a ton that can't be easily done from a GUI. If you shy away from the command line your really shying away from the operating system.
Well let me say this I just upgrade to Windows 7 and I've never looked back. There were two high points after Windows 2000 / Me for the desktop, XP and 7. Vista was an experimentation on how badly an OS can get screwed up and it lead to advancements being taking in 7. Even as as Linux user I can say that I like XP and 7, they work, there quick and not over bloated and they do what an OS should. Allow you to run your programs quickly and acuratly with little crashing. Now vista on the other hand, that was the one week I couldn't go back to Linux fast enough!!!!
XP was a solid system, it was fast, nice graphics and everything seem to have a logical place. I would compare it to Ubuntu 7.04 ( of course I'm a Gentoo user so thats my closest compairison). 7 brings the best of XP up to a new user experiance and does it well. I would rate Windows 7 to be just on par with a good Linux distro and thats saying alot. Windows has never really been able to compare to a good Linux install, in terms of speed, user experiance and over all features. This might be the first time Windows and Linux are on a fair field and I'm happy about it.
XP was great and 7 is great and it's nice to finally have Microsoft turning out quality Operating Systems, of course after Vista you really couldn't get worse I mean even Me was better then Vista and thats saying alot.
I don't need insight to know that perforce is a steaming turd. I've used both Git and Perforce and I will say for 100% that Git is much better SCM system. Not just because it's open source but because it actually accomplishes what were looking for which is SCM and not what we think we need such as SCM + extra's + interface = perforce.
Git is a much better SCM system then most of the thousand / million dollar systems out there. Currently I'm working perforce and I can tell you that it brings nothing to the table that I can't get with Git. When I told my prof we should just set up a Git server instead for free he made a big speech about not using Open Source. I can only imagine that his rejection is due to the fact that Open Source has been misrepresented and he fines it to lack features. As pure Linux user I can say with 100% confidence that open source projects are better then there closed source cousins, the only exception to this is highly specialized software such as autocad and similar special projects.
If you understand software then you'll understand that open source is the way to go, if you don't understand software or you've been brained wash by microsoft and apple then your going to shine towards using closed source software . If you want to spend a million to get the same function you can for free go ahead. I'll save my million and just use it to by I don't know maybe a house, car, food etc........ Open Source means better more secure software period!
So the app isn't intelligent and it doesn't have ad space, so what? The blackberry might be a widely used phone but that doesn't mean it's actually a good phone. I have a blackberry and it's currently on it's 8th time getting replaced. On this phone alone I'm on the 3rd full OS wipe and reinstall and lets not even talk about the freezing issues. If Rim wants to make an agrument and try to block and app based on how "needed" it is or how much "value" it adds to your phone then I'm laughing.
Rim has yet to develop a good phone OS, it has yet to make reliable hardware then always works and it has yet to start rolling out models that don't have the same problems cycle to cycle. So if someone wants to use 200 Fart, then lets them, it far from the worst thing on the phone because infact the worst thing about Blackberry it's self is the phone and software on it that Rim put on.
I'm be to ashamed of having developed windows. I'd rather have quality.
Okay lets think about this, Bill Gates made Windows and it's a 1/2 decent Operating System which kinda works. Mark invented Facebook which is a site who's use is to share pictures and join pointless groups. Both of these men have invented a product which in the end isn't that great or special. I'm not saying they haven't done well for them selfs but to pick a fair field, Linus invented Linux ( An actual decent OS ) and he went to school, So the real lesson should be, if you want to end up being successful with a great product, go to school. If you want to be a success and end up with a 1/2 ass product then drop out. A billion dollars made from a shitty product is a shitty billion and thats exact what Facebook and Windows have made for Bill and Mark.
If you don't learn how to code the basics of the language how are you going to have any clue how to prevent issues that are going to come up later. I can't tell you how many guys even in my own program in university will have a C error / leak occur but NO idea how / why it happened and even less of an idea what to do about it. Most of them are to afraid to touch a pointer.
When all of them learned C they learned from doing the biggest amount of BS ever, structured programming!!!! It is the single biggest issue facing programmers.
You could not imagine how many of my profs go on and on about how important structured programming is, how important it is to never break the extents of structured programming. Why you should never use goto, why you should never break from a loop, why you should never make a infinity loop etc... etc... etc....
Basicly there are two valid forms of thought on this, A) You believe in structured programming but understand that a good programming only need know about it and produce great code by taking short cuts or B) You believe that structured programming is the all time most important thing in the world and that anyone who doesn't make strictly structured progrrammers will die.
Where I'm I going with this, All of the type B profs believe in teaching C by showing you a printf, by showing you a arrays BUT never actually getting you to program anything like that. They also have to make sure you know exactly how far you need your loop to run and keep preaching that one day you'll move into OO programming and then you can stop worrying about memory.
All my profs who are type A) show you printf and then have you program it, they show you why to use infinite loops and why pointers are the great invention to programming ever. They also agree that you never need to use bulky OO programming to solve little problems.
To learn a programming langauge just start by re writting what's already been done, learn how the internals work and learn to program by the seat of your pants and if it works it works. in 100% of cases I've seen you'll be a million times better programmer and debugger and you'll understand why shit happens and what to do about it. You'll become that rare programming coming out of post secondary who knows what memory is and why you need to free it and allocate it.
I can say in 100% of cases this makes a programmer a better programmer.
Agreed but making that error once in blue moon is very different from making it once every hour, which I know many C programmers who do. How ever there really is such thing as off by 1, infact C is actually correct in it's implementation. C is modeled after Assembler and because of that how C handles memory is "more correct" then how other languages handle it.
Take a C++ programmer and put him in assembler and laugh, put a bad C programmer in assembler and feel the need to smack him, put a good C programmer in assembler and notice how there is very little effort in the switch.
Anyway, I agree with your arguments, don't get me wrong, I think your points are good and I tend to agree with them, but C doesn't have an off by 1 issue, it's that other languages have a poor implementation of indexing.
Take away the complexity? Thats what OO programming is about and that is how so many programmers can't handle real memory, they can only relate that there object can handle there memory.
Hey Well I hear what your saying about using C++, on a personal note I stay clear of all OO programming. I'm a bare metal guy, I have never been in a situation that an object couldn't be programed with strict data types. C++ is great when you want to program a sloppy rough function to add objects or to overload the signs + and -, but if you can stick with C and other lower level languages.
As for the off by 1 error, that truely means you don't understand arrays and pointers.
Hey
I know these might sound odd but hear me out. Start by trying to rewrite the basic library's. make your own printf, strcpy. strlen etc..... Write copies of your own link list and tree storage methods and above all really really start to understand how memory works.
Another really really important thing that I have learned is stay FAR FAR away from OO programming until your really really comfortable in lower level languages. The reason is that to many students and beginners sit there trying to figure out why there variable started with value X and ended up with value Y only to find out that there object bashed some memory earlier on.
Basically just grab a good C compiler, I mean C COMPILER, not C++, not C#, not F# and start to learn how all the functions you use on a dailiy basis work, it will give you new insight into why and how you can quickly avoid and fix problems when and before they happen. It's also important to get a really really good handle on using a CLI over a GUI, Stay away from Visual Studio and other simular compilers. Use GCC and CC and make sure you look at how LD is working and understand how compilers do optimizations and improvements to your own code. This post is taking about grabbing tool to do Image processing and preform functions that have working solutions. However taking the time to see how the solutions work and why they work will give you good insight into not only great code design but great programming methods. It might seem odd for me to suggest to a beginner to try and rewrite strcpy or strcmp, but once you see how they really work you'll be far less likely to make the simple mistakes that can ground your program / project from working. It's the same say with with a beginner figuring out how malloc works and where memory gets taken from and put to, all of these suggestions are coming from the way I learned to program in C and other languages.
Feel free to throw any of these away or take any of them into your own programming adventure, but one thing is for sure. When you can figure out how the basic functions you use every day work it will save you hours and days of trouble shooting and leave you with a greater pallet of tools to use in the class room and on the job. I welcome and one who wants to add ideas to this post and attack it with there own view points.