I'd rather be in Australia where they try to ban any access to any "objectionable"
I should point out that the new laws have zero effect - it's optional. So now rather than going down to the local software joint to buy censorware, they can buy it off the ISP. The user gets to decide whether or not they install it. There's no central mandatory proxy or anything.
You can say whatever you like, but the way that the administration is going to see it is that you're screwing around on a network that contains very important data
Call me crazy, but wouldn't it be somewhat more logical to isolate the computer labs from the staff computers? I mean, shit... they're there for learning, and fiddling about is the best way for kids to learn. If kids doing what kids do is going to fuck up the 'real' computers, then why not.
You use crappy Windows, which is why you complain. As has been suggested, get the -real- Windows.
And re: Adaptec... you mean like cdrecord does for Linux? Oh yeah, I forgot, the latest kernel allows me to cat w2k.iso >/dev/scd0. Not. Reading off it is that easy, writing to it is a little different.
I said I used it for 5 years, that's plenty to develop a love it or hate it opinion
Those drag and drop things you mention work just fine with Windows.
Viruses don't hide in the registry, only settings. True viruses infect executables and don't need to be started via startup scripts. Don't let yourself get infected in the first place and it's irrelevant.
CONFIG.SYS changes only take effect after reboot. OTOH, many things can be altered without reboot in Windows, and many more in *nix.
W2K can modify partitions/logicals easily without rebooting... don't know if it can do the boot parition though.
OS/2 was and always will be a 32bit DOS with a lame GUI. Windows has moved on, and Unix was superior from the start. I see two choices - Windows or *nix (OS X inc). There's no place for OS/2, except the laptop inside the S/390 cabinet.
who really cares how it's packaged? If the filesystem layout gets standardised, then I would assume that the files will end up in the same place regardless of the package format used.
Once the filesystem is standard, the package manager ceases to be a method of forcing incompatibility and little more than a database-backed archiver. I don't recall anyone whinging too hard about gzip, zip, bzip2, arj, rar, etc..
It would be way cool if this happened*, but it would take a lot of very enlightened politicians to do it (ie. snowball's chance in hell).
There may be a chance of the binaries getting released, but never the source (I suppose the source is a trade-secret, since they don't release it to consumers).
* IMO, the copyright should expire 12-24 months after I am no longer able to obtain said material legally for a reasonable price. Copyright is to protect the author's right to sell it, if he's not going to sell it to me, either he keeps it to himself (never releases it to begin with) or party is over.
How many of you that just bashed Os/2 have ever ran it?
Ran my BBS on it for 5 years (it's still running - switched to W2K last year and have never been happier.. unfortunatly Linux doesn't have the same amount of quality BBS software..). I couldn't stand it, but it was the Best Tool for the Job{tm}
Every now and then (not often.. 4 or so times) it would just commit suicide. Thank fuck for GammaTech, it saved my butt many a time after OS/2 trashed everything, and helpfully chkdsk tried to fix it by deleting everything.
The interface was horrible - OO was not only useless but gets in the way.
OS/2 only had one driver worth a shit - SIO (Vmodem) by Ray Gwinn.
The reliance on the old DOS-way of things (like, drive letters, a huge CONFIG.SYS, rebooting after any system changes, etc) are really annoying.
How often could you surf the web, play quake 1, and have 2 nodes with users actively doing things without a slow down? On a NON-pentium computer?
You're talking out of the wrong orifice again... if your BBS was actually worth a shit, you would not have been able to run Quake and maintain adequate performance for the BBS (unless you never upgraded beyond 2400). Not even with a Pentium.
I guess my (and most others perhaps) problem is I entered the OS/2 scene with Warp3, so I never knew the simple life of the earlier versions.. I suppose if all I knew was xfree86 then I'd say Linux sucked too..
seeing how things, eg. network filesystems, react to heavy traffic, errors and whatever weirdness real networks might face.
this is the kind of tool (stress tester) more developers and beta testers need to use, in order to find bugs BEFORE it gets loose in the real world where these kinds of things normally happen.
The G4 here is running 9.1 and uses about 36M for the system.
Windows won't willingly say how much RAM programs take
Download a process manager.. see winfiles.com. Or upgrade to a version of Windows worth a shit like NT4 or W2K, then use Task Manager.
The article mentioned that Win2000 should run on nearly 200Mhz, but my college campus has it on DELLs with 500Mhz pentiums that are as irresponsive as a Nintendo 64 emulator running without a 3D card.
They probably have jack all RAM, right? Windows wants RAM not CPU. Mhz sells, so they give you more Mhz and no RAM. Most of the time you'll get better performance with half the Mhz and double the RAM.
START \ RUN \ mem
That's XMS, for DOS programs.
virtual memory
It's called swap, scratch or paging file. VM is different, and cannot be disabled.
Since when have we been able to run a system WITHOUT disk swapping?
Because an OS cannot predict how you will use the system. It will swap out anything you're not currently using and free up RAM in the event that you will start another big program. It's a lot quicker to reclaim memory from the disk cache than it is to dump unused data to disk before your new app loads.
First, insert your system floppy into the drive bay. Now, push the ON button.
In the old days, each program did just about everything on it's own with little assistance from the OS. DOS was an extremely basic OS, not a complete environment like Windows, Mac, Linux or just about anything else. Some DOS programs were OS' unto themselves, like some games, which performed their own memory management, IO and threading internally with zero assistance from DOS which was not capable of such things, or not with the required speed/featureset.
100% necessary DLLs
While I hate DLLs and whatever libraries all over the place and prefer statically linked binaries, not everyone has the luxury of being able to afford enough RAM to load essentially the same code over and over. Quite often, DLLs only have to be loaded once for all apps that use it, and those functions of the library that aren't used get swapped out to disk.
applications will be downloaded from the net at runtime and executed on the local machine.
Argh! I hope they adopt some kind of Debian-like system where packages can be mirrored to the local system/site server, and only those that aren't get snarfed off the Internet.
The point, for stupid people such as yourself who missed it, is that companies copy each other's ideas all the time. Apple has copied PC ideas left and right, so there's no point making a big deal about PC's copying Apple.
Meanwhile DOS and later Windows came from nowhere and took over.
Apps. Bundling. Marketing.
If Be wants to 'win' they will have to find someone willing to let them lose $millions while they produce their own browser, office and multimedia apps.
Why dual boot when a Mac or PC can do Office and multimedia? Unless people can buy Be, open the box and make something, instead of click on pretty widgets, nobody is going to.
but most people see a computer as a means to an end, not as the end
And you think we don't? We just don't like Apple's concepts of how things should be... sure stick a nice interface on the top for the users, but the admins need the power to make it do cartwheels, not lick itself.
IMO, it's a.com if people come to the site looking to buy goods/services (or for info/support for goods/services they already bought). People come to/. to read news (for free), the fact that anyone does/doesn't make money via means other than the users is not relevant.
3)Hand over the liscences for your own project, and keep your job and security
Release it under two licences: Open Source what is currently written, and license the rest to the employer under BSD or something.
That way, what is already written is out in the wild and cannot be threatened. The employer gets it's own copy and can still improve on it and release it without source, or whatever.
How about just for being "pure"? As it says, PC BIOS' do so much bullshit that's only relevant for real mode DOS, we don't need that shit, so piss it off.
like I said, they were confused about the role of the President. this was the tactic the monarchists were pushing - make a big stink about not being able to vote for our own President (insert confusion about USA President vs Aus President), and got it voted down.
What really needs to happen is a banning of political parties
I agree..
and on the subject of banning parties - IMO we should extend the term to 4 years, and only allow a party to be in power for two consecutive terms before they are barred from running again for 4 years.
this will
a) limit the damage one agenda can cause
b) give the fuckers some backbone, since they won't have to worry so much about not getting elected next time. Eg. FUCK YAS! The new Sydney airport is going to be built where it's been planned for 50 years. Deal.
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Am i the only one who wishes he could download /. in .qwk format?
Pfft. BlueWave owns.
I'd rather be in Australia where they try to ban any access to any "objectionable"
I should point out that the new laws have zero effect - it's optional. So now rather than going down to the local software joint to buy censorware, they can buy it off the ISP. The user gets to decide whether or not they install it. There's no central mandatory proxy or anything.
You can say whatever you like, but the way that the administration is going to see it is that you're screwing around on a network that contains very important data
Call me crazy, but wouldn't it be somewhat more logical to isolate the computer labs from the staff computers? I mean, shit... they're there for learning, and fiddling about is the best way for kids to learn. If kids doing what kids do is going to fuck up the 'real' computers, then why not.
I never said I don't use Windows
/dev/scd0. Not. Reading off it is that easy, writing to it is a little different.
You use crappy Windows, which is why you complain. As has been suggested, get the -real- Windows.
And re: Adaptec... you mean like cdrecord does for Linux? Oh yeah, I forgot, the latest kernel allows me to cat w2k.iso >
I said I used it for 5 years, that's plenty to develop a love it or hate it opinion
Those drag and drop things you mention work just fine with Windows.
Viruses don't hide in the registry, only settings. True viruses infect executables and don't need to be started via startup scripts. Don't let yourself get infected in the first place and it's irrelevant.
CONFIG.SYS changes only take effect after reboot. OTOH, many things can be altered without reboot in Windows, and many more in *nix.
W2K can modify partitions/logicals easily without rebooting... don't know if it can do the boot parition though.
OS/2 was and always will be a 32bit DOS with a lame GUI. Windows has moved on, and Unix was superior from the start. I see two choices - Windows or *nix (OS X inc). There's no place for OS/2, except the laptop inside the S/390 cabinet.
who really cares how it's packaged? If the filesystem layout gets standardised, then I would assume that the files will end up in the same place regardless of the package format used.
Once the filesystem is standard, the package manager ceases to be a method of forcing incompatibility and little more than a database-backed archiver. I don't recall anyone whinging too hard about gzip, zip, bzip2, arj, rar, etc..
It would be way cool if this happened*, but it would take a lot of very enlightened politicians to do it (ie. snowball's chance in hell).
There may be a chance of the binaries getting released, but never the source (I suppose the source is a trade-secret, since they don't release it to consumers).
* IMO, the copyright should expire 12-24 months after I am no longer able to obtain said material legally for a reasonable price. Copyright is to protect the author's right to sell it, if he's not going to sell it to me, either he keeps it to himself (never releases it to begin with) or party is over.
How many of you that just bashed Os/2 have ever ran it?
Ran my BBS on it for 5 years (it's still running - switched to W2K last year and have never been happier.. unfortunatly Linux doesn't have the same amount of quality BBS software..). I couldn't stand it, but it was the Best Tool for the Job{tm}
Every now and then (not often.. 4 or so times) it would just commit suicide. Thank fuck for GammaTech, it saved my butt many a time after OS/2 trashed everything, and helpfully chkdsk tried to fix it by deleting everything.
The interface was horrible - OO was not only useless but gets in the way.
OS/2 only had one driver worth a shit - SIO (Vmodem) by Ray Gwinn.
The reliance on the old DOS-way of things (like, drive letters, a huge CONFIG.SYS, rebooting after any system changes, etc) are really annoying.
How often could you surf the web, play quake 1, and have 2 nodes with users actively doing things without a slow down? On a NON-pentium computer?
You're talking out of the wrong orifice again... if your BBS was actually worth a shit, you would not have been able to run Quake and maintain adequate performance for the BBS (unless you never upgraded beyond 2400). Not even with a Pentium.
I guess my (and most others perhaps) problem is I entered the OS/2 scene with Warp3, so I never knew the simple life of the earlier versions.. I suppose if all I knew was xfree86 then I'd say Linux sucked too..
Flamebait?
Sorry, it's the best I could come up with within the 4.2 picoseconds I have available to make a FP...
seeing how things, eg. network filesystems, react to heavy traffic, errors and whatever weirdness real networks might face.
this is the kind of tool (stress tester) more developers and beta testers need to use, in order to find bugs BEFORE it gets loose in the real world where these kinds of things normally happen.
runs on windows
IS Windows...
OS 9: 24MB
The G4 here is running 9.1 and uses about 36M for the system.
Windows won't willingly say how much RAM programs take
Download a process manager.. see winfiles.com. Or upgrade to a version of Windows worth a shit like NT4 or W2K, then use Task Manager.
The article mentioned that Win2000 should run on nearly 200Mhz, but my college campus has it on DELLs with 500Mhz pentiums that are as irresponsive as a Nintendo 64 emulator running without a 3D card.
They probably have jack all RAM, right? Windows wants RAM not CPU. Mhz sells, so they give you more Mhz and no RAM. Most of the time you'll get better performance with half the Mhz and double the RAM.
START \ RUN \ mem
That's XMS, for DOS programs.
virtual memory
It's called swap, scratch or paging file. VM is different, and cannot be disabled.
Since when have we been able to run a system WITHOUT disk swapping?
Because an OS cannot predict how you will use the system. It will swap out anything you're not currently using and free up RAM in the event that you will start another big program. It's a lot quicker to reclaim memory from the disk cache than it is to dump unused data to disk before your new app loads.
First, insert your system floppy into the drive bay. Now, push the ON button.
In the old days, each program did just about everything on it's own with little assistance from the OS. DOS was an extremely basic OS, not a complete environment like Windows, Mac, Linux or just about anything else. Some DOS programs were OS' unto themselves, like some games, which performed their own memory management, IO and threading internally with zero assistance from DOS which was not capable of such things, or not with the required speed/featureset.
100% necessary DLLs
While I hate DLLs and whatever libraries all over the place and prefer statically linked binaries, not everyone has the luxury of being able to afford enough RAM to load essentially the same code over and over. Quite often, DLLs only have to be loaded once for all apps that use it, and those functions of the library that aren't used get swapped out to disk.
there are places already that make diamond-filmed heat spreaders for CPUs. They're expensive or unavailable in small quantities though.
Ask Google.
applications will be downloaded from the net at runtime and executed on the local machine.
Argh! I hope they adopt some kind of Debian-like system where packages can be mirrored to the local system/site server, and only those that aren't get snarfed off the Internet.
The point, for stupid people such as yourself who missed it, is that companies copy each other's ideas all the time. Apple has copied PC ideas left and right, so there's no point making a big deal about PC's copying Apple.
Apple, Amiga, OS/2.
Meanwhile DOS and later Windows came from nowhere and took over.
Apps. Bundling. Marketing.
If Be wants to 'win' they will have to find someone willing to let them lose $millions while they produce their own browser, office and multimedia apps.
Why dual boot when a Mac or PC can do Office and multimedia? Unless people can buy Be, open the box and make something, instead of click on pretty widgets, nobody is going to.
the KB layout, PCI, AGP, IDE, USB, VGA, preemptive multitasking/protected memory in a 'consumer' OS...
*yawn*
but most people see a computer as a means to an end, not as the end
And you think we don't? We just don't like Apple's concepts of how things should be... sure stick a nice interface on the top for the users, but the admins need the power to make it do cartwheels, not lick itself.
IMO, it's a .com if people come to the site looking to buy goods/services (or for info/support for goods/services they already bought). People come to /. to read news (for free), the fact that anyone does/doesn't make money via means other than the users is not relevant.
3)Hand over the liscences for your own project, and keep your job and security
Release it under two licences: Open Source what is currently written, and license the rest to the employer under BSD or something.
That way, what is already written is out in the wild and cannot be threatened. The employer gets it's own copy and can still improve on it and release it without source, or whatever.
Why would you need it for Linux, though
How about just for being "pure"? As it says, PC BIOS' do so much bullshit that's only relevant for real mode DOS, we don't need that shit, so piss it off.
(divide by four I guess)
(divide by 10 I guess)
you sound like a Pentium Classic doing math...
or didn't want the proposed model for a president
like I said, they were confused about the role of the President. this was the tactic the monarchists were pushing - make a big stink about not being able to vote for our own President (insert confusion about USA President vs Aus President), and got it voted down.
What really needs to happen is a banning of political parties
I agree..
and on the subject of banning parties - IMO we should extend the term to 4 years, and only allow a party to be in power for two consecutive terms before they are barred from running again for 4 years.
this will
a) limit the damage one agenda can cause
b) give the fuckers some backbone, since they won't have to worry so much about not getting elected next time. Eg. FUCK YAS! The new Sydney airport is going to be built where it's been planned for 50 years. Deal.
Hell, Napster could fsck over lots of its enemies simply by integrating strong encryption into its client.
uh, how? it's not like Napster were busted due to packet sniffers. Any idiot can run the client and see plain as day a list of copyrighted material.