That was not an extradition case. Extradition by definition is political. Go read the US-Canada treaty. very clearly says the govt can override it in national interest.
Extradition is not independent. Extradition is not like a normal case. It is the carrying out of a political decision - an extradition treaty- and by definition the govt can overrule any decision made an extradition court. Canada is never going to extradite Meng. This is just putting pressure on Huawei to add NSA backdoors to their code so it is as easy to spy on Huawei equipment as it is on Cisco and Nortel equipment.
His job as Canada's ambassador to China is to keep good relations between China and Canada. He should not give a fuck about Canada's relations with USA unless he is the ambassador to USA. If his comments make this look like the vengeful misuse of the judicial process that it is and it gets USA panties in a bunch - too bad- he needs to calm down his host country over this gross misuse of the judicial process and if he can do so by pointing out the available loopholes good for him.
Extradiditon by nature is a political decision because a nations law do not extend beyond its borders. Every extradition treaty has national interest loophole clauses in it. What it comes down to is whether China can cause enough pain for Canada to believe it is in their interest to invoke the loophole in this case.
The reason why open source became such a big deal was Microsoft refused to share the source code with China to make sure there were no NSA backdoors. its not China we have to worry about when we are talking about big brother
This is also why every President when he gets bored starts an international war, it gives him something to do. Raegan- Granada, Contras Bush - Kuwait Clinton - Kosovo, Somalia Bush Jr - iraq, Afghanistan Obama - Syria, Libya Trump - Venezuela?
If you read my post carefully I mentioned Domestic Agenda. President does have a lot of power in dealing with matters outside the US or on its borders but internally not much. Name one Domestic program besides tax cuts he has been able to implement.
One good thing the Trump Presidency has done is that it has shown people how powerless the Presidency really is. Trump hasnt been able to enact a single part of his Domestic agenda (The tax cuts were Ryan's agenda). The Bureaucracy and shadow state run the country not the elected govt. People in the US like simplistic answers and have a Messiah complex so the office of the Presidency has been overhyped. Even Obama didnt really do anything which the Bureaucracy didn't want him to do. At least Trump is making it clear that what is happening is not what he wants.
Trump is far smarter than the left gives him credit for. He provokes people through nonsense statements so that the opposition is distracted while he keeps plugging on. At the same time he has protected himself by appointing a Christian Taliban as his Vice President. Nobody is going to replace Trump for noone not even Nancy want Ayatollah Pence in charge. For one he would refuse to meet Nancy without his wife present.
Once you have admitted that selective prosecution happens based upon "government priority" it is not uncalled for to ask the US govt to not make it a priority to help CISCO shareholders and stop hiding behind "We cant do anything. Its Rule of law".
What I am saying is there is no such thing as Rule of Law. Its a myth. There is prosecutorial discretion and who the powers in charge want get charged get prosecuted and those they dont are given a pass or do you really think 13% of the population commits 50% of the crimes in the US?
I just saw my teenagers High school syllabus. There is no Geography subject!!!! And this is one of the best school districts in the country. No wonder Americans think Canada is part of US;)
No you didnt!!! Al extradition cases have political discretion and prosecutorial discretion. This had to be cleared by the Canadian govt. in advance. Canada just miscalculated. They were taking this hostage to bargain on the China-Canada FTA.
All she is accused of is telling HSBC that her company no longer does business with Iran and have HSBC process their payments. The US has a stranglehold on international bank transfers and this kind of subterfuge is necessitated to bypass the illegal Iran sanctions which are against the JCPOA (a UN treaty). China could just as well prosecute the HSBC officials for enforcing these illegal sanctions. If a privateer was blocking the Lawrence waterway and a merchant captain lied to get past it with a legitimate cargo and then you prosecute the captain for lying that is what is happening here.
Yeah she may have technically lied to say that her company was no longer doing business with Iran. However business leaders lie all the time- AT&T , Microsoft and CISCO have been found to be lying about not providing backdoors to the NSA. None of their CEOs are being charged with fraud. Fact of the matter is that the lie is forced by an illegal sanctions regime. Its like prosecuting the guy who smuggles people out of North Korea with Human Trafficking. Technically correct but totally bullshit. This is a totally political case. Plus Canada does not have sanctions on Iran so its still not a crime in Canada so extradition doesnt apply. All Huawei needs to do to make this case go away is add backdoors for the NSA.
I think US owed the French for 1783 and 1812. They repaid in 1914 and 1942. Also in Vietnam the US screwed up the mess left by the French even worse than the French did. So neither does France expect US to come to its aid and nor does it have great confidence is USA's ability to do so without screwing things up. There is a reason French troops are not inside the unified NATO command and why France keeps asking Germany to lets setup an independent European Army.
The fact that China is taking hostages is pretty strong proof that Rule of Law in Canada is broken and Canada needs to be reminded that Political hostage taking works both ways. Meng is not even accused of breaking any Canadian law and extradition is for crimes which are crimes in both countries. The sanctions she is accused of violating are illegal as they are against the JCPOA a UN treaty and neither Canada nor China has agreed to those sanctions so holding Meng is a purely political decision. The arrest had to be signed off on by the Canadian justice minister as will any extradition so it is a political arrest. China understands when to play nice and when to show countries that political hostage taking both ways.
Huawei is not owned by the Chinese govt. Its owner served in the military so did a bunch of founders of American companies including McDonalds, IBM and AT&T. Huawei has got research grants from the Chinese equivalent of NSF so has Facebook, Google , Cisco and Apple. Further there have been no cases of Huawei equipment being used to spy whereas we know for a fact that CISCO backdoors have been used to spy on Angela Merkel. Given these facts it is pretty clear that the opposition to Huawei equipment is not because the Chinese wll use it to spy and rather that it makes it more difficult for the NSA to spy. They may actually have to earn their Govt. salaries and we know that is anathema to Govt. Servants like the NSA and the CIA. They would much rather use backdoors (which CISCO cannot refuse to put in under US law)
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That was not an extradition case. Extradition by definition is political. Go read the US-Canada treaty. very clearly says the govt can override it in national interest.
Extradition is not independent. Extradition is not like a normal case. It is the carrying out of a political decision - an extradition treaty- and by definition the govt can overrule any decision made an extradition court. Canada is never going to extradite Meng. This is just putting pressure on Huawei to add NSA backdoors to their code so it is as easy to spy on Huawei equipment as it is on Cisco and Nortel equipment.
You seem to believe your own marketing.
His job as Canada's ambassador to China is to keep good relations between China and Canada. He should not give a fuck about Canada's relations with USA unless he is the ambassador to USA. If his comments make this look like the vengeful misuse of the judicial process that it is and it gets USA panties in a bunch - too bad- he needs to calm down his host country over this gross misuse of the judicial process and if he can do so by pointing out the available loopholes good for him.
Extradiditon by nature is a political decision because a nations law do not extend beyond its borders. Every extradition treaty has national interest loophole clauses in it. What it comes down to is whether China can cause enough pain for Canada to believe it is in their interest to invoke the loophole in this case.
The reason why open source became such a big deal was Microsoft refused to share the source code with China to make sure there were no NSA backdoors. its not China we have to worry about when we are talking about big brother
Everybody does it but only the West claims not to do it and does it. Hypocrisy thy name is Western Media
This is also why every President when he gets bored starts an international war, it gives him something to do.
Raegan- Granada, Contras
Bush - Kuwait
Clinton - Kosovo, Somalia
Bush Jr - iraq, Afghanistan
Obama - Syria, Libya
Trump - Venezuela?
If you read my post carefully I mentioned Domestic Agenda. President does have a lot of power in dealing with matters outside the US or on its borders but internally not much. Name one Domestic program besides tax cuts he has been able to implement.
One good thing the Trump Presidency has done is that it has shown people how powerless the Presidency really is. Trump hasnt been able to enact a single part of his Domestic agenda (The tax cuts were Ryan's agenda). The Bureaucracy and shadow state run the country not the elected govt.
People in the US like simplistic answers and have a Messiah complex so the office of the Presidency has been overhyped. Even Obama didnt really do anything which the Bureaucracy didn't want him to do.
At least Trump is making it clear that what is happening is not what he wants.
Trump is far smarter than the left gives him credit for. He provokes people through nonsense statements so that the opposition is distracted while he keeps plugging on. At the same time he has protected himself by appointing a Christian Taliban as his Vice President. Nobody is going to replace Trump for noone not even Nancy want Ayatollah Pence in charge. For one he would refuse to meet Nancy without his wife present.
Once you have admitted that selective prosecution happens based upon "government priority" it is not uncalled for to ask the US govt to not make it a priority to help CISCO shareholders and stop hiding behind "We cant do anything. Its Rule of law".
Woosh!!!! It went over your head. I was hinting that Canada's actions are terrorist.
What I am saying is there is no such thing as Rule of Law. Its a myth. There is prosecutorial discretion and who the powers in charge want get charged get prosecuted and those they dont are given a pass or do you really think 13% of the population commits 50% of the crimes in the US?
I just saw my teenagers High school syllabus. There is no Geography subject!!!! And this is one of the best school districts in the country. No wonder Americans think Canada is part of US ;)
Neither does China but it will take hostages the terrorists are willing to trade for.
Step 3) China forcs down the plane carrying the diplomats. This is not som 3rd rate power (like cough cough Canada) you are dealing with.
No you didnt!!! Al extradition cases have political discretion and prosecutorial discretion. This had to be cleared by the Canadian govt. in advance. Canada just miscalculated. They were taking this hostage to bargain on the China-Canada FTA.
All she is accused of is telling HSBC that her company no longer does business with Iran and have HSBC process their payments. The US has a stranglehold on international bank transfers and this kind of subterfuge is necessitated to bypass the illegal Iran sanctions which are against the JCPOA (a UN treaty). China could just as well prosecute the HSBC officials for enforcing these illegal sanctions.
If a privateer was blocking the Lawrence waterway and a merchant captain lied to get past it with a legitimate cargo and then you prosecute the captain for lying that is what is happening here.
It must be so ronery to be trolling from your moms basement.
Yeah she may have technically lied to say that her company was no longer doing business with Iran. However business leaders lie all the time- AT&T , Microsoft and CISCO have been found to be lying about not providing backdoors to the NSA. None of their CEOs are being charged with fraud. Fact of the matter is that the lie is forced by an illegal sanctions regime. Its like prosecuting the guy who smuggles people out of North Korea with Human Trafficking. Technically correct but totally bullshit. This is a totally political case. Plus Canada does not have sanctions on Iran so its still not a crime in Canada so extradition doesnt apply. All Huawei needs to do to make this case go away is add backdoors for the NSA.
I think US owed the French for 1783 and 1812. They repaid in 1914 and 1942.
Also in Vietnam the US screwed up the mess left by the French even worse than the French did.
So neither does France expect US to come to its aid and nor does it have great confidence is USA's ability to do so without screwing things up.
There is a reason French troops are not inside the unified NATO command and why France keeps asking Germany to lets setup an independent European Army.
Rants by AC are just that rants.
The fact that China is taking hostages is pretty strong proof that Rule of Law in Canada is broken and Canada needs to be reminded that Political hostage taking works both ways. Meng is not even accused of breaking any Canadian law and extradition is for crimes which are crimes in both countries. The sanctions she is accused of violating are illegal as they are against the JCPOA a UN treaty and neither Canada nor China has agreed to those sanctions so holding Meng is a purely political decision. The arrest had to be signed off on by the Canadian justice minister as will any extradition so it is a political arrest. China understands when to play nice and when to show countries that political hostage taking both ways.
Huawei is not owned by the Chinese govt. Its owner served in the military so did a bunch of founders of American companies including McDonalds, IBM and AT&T.
Huawei has got research grants from the Chinese equivalent of NSF so has Facebook, Google , Cisco and Apple.
Further there have been no cases of Huawei equipment being used to spy whereas we know for a fact that CISCO backdoors have been used to spy on Angela Merkel.
Given these facts it is pretty clear that the opposition to Huawei equipment is not because the Chinese wll use it to spy and rather that it makes it more difficult for the NSA to spy. They may actually have to earn their Govt. salaries and we know that is anathema to Govt. Servants like the NSA and the CIA. They would much rather use backdoors (which CISCO cannot refuse to put in under US law)