Strange - I put 'upgrading glibc' into Google and turned up loads of information. Could the parent post be 'Flamebait' ?
Most of it said upgrade your entire system to be compatible with the new library, but others also said that glibc2.2 was backwards compatible with 2.1.
From your last post I guess the language in your requests just p**ses people off!
User 312184 wrote:
In this case, a company has created something.
As creators, they own it, and they can do what they want with it.
If they refuse to improve it, that is their prerogative - without them, the thing wouldn't exist, so surely they should be given the freedom to do what they like with it, without fear of hackers undermining them?
You are wrong with your second sentence; although they created it, as buyers we have the right to do as we please with it (almost).
when a company such as AOL releases a products, it knows that its users will not try to undermine it by reverse engineering, rewriting, or open sourcing it Remember Instant Messenger wars ??
Not improving a product is tantamount to suicide; in evolution failure to improve and adapt results in death. Also the whole industry, like hackers, competes by making better products than their rivals. For example, bigger, faster disk drives emerge normally due to small steps forward, not giant leaps, which occur only rarely.
In most respects hackers do not redcue the value of a product to zero (except maybe CueCat). By extending the functionality and use of a product they often extend its lifespan, ensuring more sales for the company and thus more profit. However, what really p**ses a hacker off is having a door slammed in his face, and the result is that the hacker is non too subtle in axing the door to pieces.
If you want an example of a responsible attitude to hackery, I suggest you look at the Tivo, who appear to have quietly provided help to the hacker community around it, on condition that they make no attempt to break TiVos revenue stream from subscription. I have no idea if they are going to succeed, but I think that Tivos handling of the hacker community should be the way all companies respond.
P.S. Someone Mod the parent post up; if it's a troll, its a thought provoking one.
I've seen lots of comments in here about how many disk drives they've got through, and I don't know how they've managed to do it.
I currently have 10 PC systems with about 14 hard drives between them and I have never totally managed to screw a hard drive beyond repair. The only time I have got rid of drives is when I took a look at the drive space required by my next game purchase and decided that the drive wasn't suitable for my capacity requirements.
I'm not particularly good to my PCs - all the cases are unscrewed and you can bet at least one will be running with the hood off. Two of the PCs are Linux boxen up 24/6.5 (too many power failures, still got to buy a UPS).
IMHO, I'm not too impressed by this drive; even I can get rid of 70% of the moving parts by only reading one side of a disk, and as a 3.5" form factor drive it will probably only go in a few laptops/ transportables. My TiVo will be next to get an upgrade; I think I'll stick to the original plan of using 2*80GB Maxtors instead of these babies.
I dunno, remember a professional touch typist uses all eight fingers and two thumbs, unlike your average programmer. Also if you've got a good internal memory of the KB then you can just 'use the force' and visualise and sequence your fingers. 60wpm is quite a basic standard, so I would expect a world record holder to do much better, possibly by a factor of 3.
Me, I tend to use about 4-6 fingers (not quite hunt and peck!)
Not quite better yet, if we are honest, I believe its neck and neck with Linux being better in some areas (e.g. servers) and MS still winning as a desktop PC (to many people are using Office and playing games to say otherwise).
P.S. I have a fair idea of what Linux can scale up to in terms of CPUs, memory, disk space etc. Is there a list of what limits NT has ? Even better can someone give a URL of a feature comparison list (Linux 2.4.0 v Windows 2000)
An AC wrote:
Hah. Just like Netscape, Novell, Lotus and Wordperfect?
You're joking, right?
No I wasn't joking.
I think that MS have sorta shot themselves in the foot with regard to defeating the people you mentioned. All of the above were (are) applications developers for the MS operating system. In killing them, what Microsoft has said is "If your app is **really** successful on our OS, we'll write a competitor that will wipe you off the market.".
In short, what is the incentive to produce a world class Windows app if you know the 800lb gorilla will try and kill you if you are wildly successful ?
With Open Source, we're after kudos, not money (although if someone waves a wad of tenners in my face I'll bite his hand off), and we tend to contribute to development of products that we don't feel are good enough.
This seems to be the first year that Microsoft have genuinely gone "Oh s**t!!. There's an OS that's as good as ours and it's free!". They seem to be getting everyone to spread as much brown stuff about Linux as possible in order to fend us off.
Congratulations everyone, they're in your sights; now go in for the kill!
..I've just had a great idea, after seeing all the bitching about the new FM design.
Everyone who complains about a website has to send a credit card payment for (say) $10 if he really wants the feature fixed. The developer looks at the list of fixes, sees how many $10 payments are attached to each one, fixes one and claims the payments.
Instant web site revenue stream and developer motivation. Just think how rich Taco would be if he 'fixed' Jon Katz using this method!
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Why is it that many people want Linux in order to control a starship ? OK, I can see many advantages over the competition, but first you have to have a starship to run Linux on.
2.4.1 is a formal stable release, not development.
The middle number of the 3 is even for stable releases, odd for development releases. The last digit is used to indicate (small) incremental upgrades and patches.
New development features will go in the 2.5.x (or 3.1.x if we really want change) tree.
It's a fair comment, with an element of truth in it.
However, 2.4.0 was the major Linux oddity. True open sourcers follow the creed 'Release Early, Release Often' (RERO). Linus probably deservedly got a lot of flak for the long time delay between 2.2 and 2.4. In the end I think 2.4.0 got released just in order to try and impose a 'feature freeze' and stop various developers trying to get their new whiz bang feature in before the shutters came down.
There is a conflict between RERO and another Open Source aphorism which is 'Its Ready when Its Ready', which means that we as a community don't like to give out release timetables of longer than a few weeks; in other words we try not to speak of vapourware.
I have no objection to rapid patches, which is not something MS is known for, although thankfully MS quality appears to be improving with the latest version of IE and Windows 2K.
I've often found that when bug fixing, you can make your bugfix incorporate some improvements to the current design without too much hurt, but you do have to ensure what you're doing is limited in scope, otherwise you may have to retest the whole program.
Even if a program looks revolting, in the main it is better to live with it rather than fully rewriting it. Remember if you rewrite it, then in theory you have to redesign, recode, TEST!!!, run pilot trials etc, all without interrupting the end users who are probably earning the company the money that you want to spend on the redesign.
Code for consumer products is even more fraught with difficulties; if you recode something and get it slightly wrong then you risk a product recall. Also consumer products generally only have a short lifecycle; if the product you want to redesign is out there its probably obselete, and therefore spending money on recoding is a bit pointless; you should wait till you get promoted to senior developer and work on the next generation, where a cleanup of the code can be absorbed more easily.:-)
Anyway I think the roughest game regularly run seems to be Aussie Rules football, which calls for all round athleticism, since it incorporates, basketball, football and rugby skills.
almost all the great technology inovations have come from America. The PC, the Internet....
IIRC, the Internet as we really know it came about because some guy called Tim-Berners Lee came up with HTML. Where did he work?
Ah yes, CERN in the EU!!
[Yes I know the US invented TCP/IP].
Last time I looked in the back of my PC, I saw that all the components came from Taiwan, Korea and China, not the USA.
90% of all great software.. It took a Finn to develop the greatest software, and the "second in command" is a Brit! (Alan Cox).
the car... In the field of cars the US didn't invent cars, although to your credit Ford did come up with mass producing them and thus totally ruining the environment. However BMW and the Japanese seem to make better ones nowadays. Remember America produced the Edsel.
the Airplane... OK, you got me, the Wright brothers ensured you got there first.
giving Women the right to vote... You gave Women the right to vote, but forgot to give coloured people the same rights till recently. Other nations had universal suffrage well before the US (and Britain for that matter) did.
Oh dear....its Continental
'My Continent is Better Than Your Continent' time.
Oh well, my karma is comfortably above 50, so perhaps I won't mind a '-1' this time.
When you Americans start to play American Football without wearing metal frames and Kevlar and call it by the correct name (Rugby) we'll regard your sporting prowess with some respect.
Actually, Achilles is not truly a hero in all senses of the term; like most characters in the Iliad and Oddessey he had his flaws, for example he treated Hectors body dishonourably by not returning it after single combat and dragging it round Troy. [which pissed off the gods and indirectly lead to Achilles death IIRC]
There are other sci-fi books where Achilles gets a mention, including a little known one by Roderick Macleish called "Prince Ombra", where Achilles is mentioned in passing as a bad guy.
In short, OSC had to call the bad guy something, why not Achilles ?
AFAIK, little if any mention is made of homosexuality in any of OSCs Ender series of books, so why you decided to go on this rant is quite beyond me.
I know little of Mormonism, but I see little in the Ender series of books that pushes a sigle religious philosophy. "Children of the Gods" explores Chinese beliefs, Xenocide and its predecessor explore Catholicism, and many other beliefs are included in passing.
I would have had some machines running 2.2.pre releases with my distro and therefore hopefully would have spotted any problems.
Note I am not saying that the day 2.4.0 comes out that I would release a distribution. But I would release one after a few weeks of testing. preceded by 2 years of testing whilst the development of 2.4.0 was performed in the 2.3.x chain.
I'm slightly puzzled at the conservatism in the take-up of 2.4.0 IIRC, the whole point of having even numbered versions is to indicate to the world and his wife that the 2.4 kernel is stable.
So why the slow take up ?
Obviously there may be a couple of problems with package incompatibility with the new kernel, for example with the rearrangement of/dev, but I would have expected these to shake out in the 2+ year development of the 2.3.x series of kernels. Also presumably major distros such as RedHat keep track of changes to the kernel [they do pay/support Alan Cox and others don't they?], so any problems with such distros again should IMO have been foreseen and dealt with. One of our advantages, I thought, was that because all development is visible at all times to everyone, that problems in other packages could be foreseen and dealt with in parellel with development of 2.3.x, until it became 2.4.0.
I think that in some respects developers and distributers are not really taking full advantage of the openness of kernel development.
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with apologies to The Usual Suspects!
Strange - I put 'upgrading glibc' into Google and turned up loads of information. Could the parent post be 'Flamebait' ?
Most of it said upgrade your entire system to be compatible with the new library, but others also said that glibc2.2 was backwards compatible with 2.1.
From your last post I guess the language in your requests just p**ses people off!
User 312184 wrote:
In this case, a company has created something.
As creators, they own it, and they can do what they want with it.
If they refuse to improve it, that is their prerogative - without them, the thing wouldn't exist, so surely they should be given the freedom to do what they like with it, without fear of hackers undermining them?
You are wrong with your second sentence; although they created it, as buyers we have the right to do as we please with it (almost).
when a company such as AOL releases a products, it knows that its users will not try to undermine it by reverse engineering, rewriting, or open sourcing it
Remember Instant Messenger wars ??
Not improving a product is tantamount to suicide; in evolution failure to improve and adapt results in death. Also the whole industry, like hackers, competes by making better products than their rivals. For example, bigger, faster disk drives emerge normally due to small steps forward, not giant leaps, which occur only rarely.
In most respects hackers do not redcue the value of a product to zero (except maybe CueCat). By extending the functionality and use of a product they often extend its lifespan, ensuring more sales for the company and thus more profit. However, what really p**ses a hacker off is having a door slammed in his face, and the result is that the hacker is non too subtle in axing the door to pieces.
If you want an example of a responsible attitude to hackery, I suggest you look at the Tivo, who appear to have quietly provided help to the hacker community around it, on condition that they make no attempt to break TiVos revenue stream from subscription. I have no idea if they are going to succeed, but I think that Tivos handling of the hacker community should be the way all companies respond.
P.S. Someone Mod the parent post up; if it's a troll, its a thought provoking one.
I've seen lots of comments in here about how many disk drives they've got through, and I don't know how they've managed to do it.
I currently have 10 PC systems with about 14 hard drives between them and I have never totally managed to screw a hard drive beyond repair. The only time I have got rid of drives is when I took a look at the drive space required by my next game purchase and decided that the drive wasn't suitable for my capacity requirements.
I'm not particularly good to my PCs - all the cases are unscrewed and you can bet at least one will be running with the hood off. Two of the PCs are Linux boxen up 24/6.5 (too many power failures, still got to buy a UPS).
IMHO, I'm not too impressed by this drive; even I can get rid of 70% of the moving parts by only reading one side of a disk, and as a 3.5" form factor drive it will probably only go in a few laptops/ transportables. My TiVo will be next to get an upgrade; I think I'll stick to the original plan of using 2*80GB Maxtors instead of these babies.
..the NSA proposed some improvements to Linux to tighten up security.
Linux - the OS of choice for keeping your secrets secret!!
Huge numbers of people operate their own domains, and I suspect that Mr Script kiddie will just set up a domain so he can be kept on the info list.
I dunno, remember a professional touch typist uses all eight fingers and two thumbs, unlike your average programmer. Also if you've got a good internal memory of the KB then you can just 'use the force' and visualise and sequence your fingers. 60wpm is quite a basic standard, so I would expect a world record holder to do much better, possibly by a factor of 3.
Me, I tend to use about 4-6 fingers (not quite hunt and peck!)
Not quite better yet, if we are honest, I believe its neck and neck with Linux being better in some areas (e.g. servers) and MS still winning as a desktop PC (to many people are using Office and playing games to say otherwise).
P.S. I have a fair idea of what Linux can scale up to in terms of CPUs, memory, disk space etc. Is there a list of what limits NT has ? Even better can someone give a URL of a feature comparison list (Linux 2.4.0 v Windows 2000)
An AC wrote:
Hah. Just like Netscape, Novell, Lotus and Wordperfect?
You're joking, right?
No I wasn't joking.
I think that MS have sorta shot themselves in the foot with regard to defeating the people you mentioned. All of the above were (are) applications developers for the MS operating system. In killing them, what Microsoft has said is "If your app is **really** successful on our OS, we'll write a competitor that will wipe you off the market.".
In short, what is the incentive to produce a world class Windows app if you know the 800lb gorilla will try and kill you if you are wildly successful ?
With Open Source, we're after kudos, not money (although if someone waves a wad of tenners in my face I'll bite his hand off), and we tend to contribute to development of products that we don't feel are good enough.
This seems to be the first year that Microsoft have genuinely gone "Oh s**t!!. There's an OS that's as good as ours and it's free!". They seem to be getting everyone to spread as much brown stuff about Linux as possible in order to fend us off.
Congratulations everyone, they're in your sights; now go in for the kill!
..I've just had a great idea, after seeing all the bitching about the new FM design.
Everyone who complains about a website has to send a credit card payment for (say) $10 if he really wants the feature fixed. The developer looks at the list of fixes, sees how many $10 payments are attached to each one, fixes one and claims the payments.
Instant web site revenue stream and developer motivation. Just think how rich Taco would be if he 'fixed' Jon Katz using this method!
Why is it that many people want Linux in order to control a starship ? OK, I can see many advantages over the competition, but first you have to have a starship to run Linux on.
2.4.1 is a formal stable release, not development.
The middle number of the 3 is even for stable releases, odd for development releases. The last digit is used to indicate (small) incremental upgrades and patches.
New development features will go in the 2.5.x (or 3.1.x if we really want change) tree.
An AC blathered:
Real men use 2.2
Real men use 1.3!!
It's a fair comment, with an element of truth in it.
However, 2.4.0 was the major Linux oddity. True open sourcers follow the creed 'Release Early, Release Often' (RERO). Linus probably deservedly got a lot of flak for the long time delay between 2.2 and 2.4. In the end I think 2.4.0 got released just in order to try and impose a 'feature freeze' and stop various developers trying to get their new whiz bang feature in before the shutters came down.
There is a conflict between RERO and another Open Source aphorism which is 'Its Ready when Its Ready', which means that we as a community don't like to give out release timetables of longer than a few weeks; in other words we try not to speak of vapourware.
I have no objection to rapid patches, which is not something MS is known for, although thankfully MS quality appears to be improving with the latest version of IE and Windows 2K.
James T Kirk was responsible for putting them (compounds necessary for life in Space) there!!
"Show me this thing you earthlings call love"
Impervious to normal fires, bearing inscription which becomes visible when heated. Ring causes owner to become invisible when worn.
Inscription reads (translation):
One Ring to Rule Them All And In The Darkness Bind Them.
VGC, only 4 previous owners, including one titled owner (Dark Lord).
Offers?
Fortunately I have never experienced broad agreement
No man can ever expect a broad to agree with him!
:-)
I've often found that when bug fixing, you can make your bugfix incorporate some improvements to the current design without too much hurt, but you do have to ensure what you're doing is limited in scope, otherwise you may have to retest the whole program.
:-)
Even if a program looks revolting, in the main it is better to live with it rather than fully rewriting it. Remember if you rewrite it, then in theory you have to redesign, recode, TEST!!!, run pilot trials etc, all without interrupting the end users who are probably earning the company the money that you want to spend on the redesign.
Code for consumer products is even more fraught with difficulties; if you recode something and get it slightly wrong then you risk a product recall. Also consumer products generally only have a short lifecycle; if the product you want to redesign is out there its probably obselete, and therefore spending money on recoding is a bit pointless; you should wait till you get promoted to senior developer and work on the next generation, where a cleanup of the code can be absorbed more easily.
Nope, I don't think so.
Anyway I think the roughest game regularly run seems to be Aussie Rules football, which calls for all round athleticism, since it incorporates, basketball, football and rugby skills.
almost all the great technology inovations have come from America. The PC, the Internet....
IIRC, the Internet as we really know it came about because some guy called Tim-Berners Lee came up with HTML. Where did he work?
Ah yes, CERN in the EU!!
[Yes I know the US invented TCP/IP].
Last time I looked in the back of my PC, I saw that all the components came from Taiwan, Korea and China, not the USA.
90% of all great software..
It took a Finn to develop the greatest software, and the "second in command" is a Brit! (Alan Cox).
the car...
In the field of cars the US didn't invent cars, although to your credit Ford did come up with mass producing them and thus totally ruining the environment. However BMW and the Japanese seem to make better ones nowadays. Remember America produced the Edsel.
the Airplane...
OK, you got me, the Wright brothers ensured you got there first.
giving Women the right to vote...
You gave Women the right to vote, but forgot to give coloured people the same rights till recently. Other nations had universal suffrage well before the US (and Britain for that matter) did.
Oh dear....its Continental
'My Continent is Better Than Your Continent' time.
Oh well, my karma is comfortably above 50, so perhaps I won't mind a '-1' this time.
When you Americans start to play American Football without wearing metal frames and Kevlar and call it by the correct name (Rugby) we'll regard your sporting prowess with some respect.
Actually, Achilles is not truly a hero in all senses of the term; like most characters in the Iliad and Oddessey he had his flaws, for example he treated Hectors body dishonourably by not returning it after single combat and dragging it round Troy. [which pissed off the gods and indirectly lead to Achilles death IIRC]
There are other sci-fi books where Achilles gets a mention, including a little known one by Roderick Macleish called "Prince Ombra", where Achilles is mentioned in passing as a bad guy.
In short, OSC had to call the bad guy something, why not Achilles ?
AFAIK, little if any mention is made of homosexuality in any of OSCs Ender series of books, so why you decided to go on this rant is quite beyond me.
I know little of Mormonism, but I see little in the Ender series of books that pushes a sigle religious philosophy. "Children of the Gods" explores Chinese beliefs, Xenocide and its predecessor explore Catholicism, and many other beliefs are included in passing.
I would have had some machines running 2.2.pre releases with my distro and therefore hopefully would have spotted any problems.
Note I am not saying that the day 2.4.0 comes out that I would release a distribution. But I would release one after a few weeks of testing. preceded by 2 years of testing whilst the development of 2.4.0 was performed in the 2.3.x chain.
I'm slightly puzzled at the conservatism in the take-up of 2.4.0 IIRC, the whole point of having even numbered versions is to indicate to the world and his wife that the 2.4 kernel is stable.
/dev, but I would have expected these to shake out in the 2+ year development of the 2.3.x series of kernels. Also presumably major distros such as RedHat keep track of changes to the kernel [they do pay/support Alan Cox and others don't they?], so any problems with such distros again should IMO have been foreseen and dealt with. One of our advantages, I thought, was that because all development is visible at all times to everyone, that problems in other packages could be foreseen and dealt with in parellel with development of 2.3.x, until it became 2.4.0.
So why the slow take up ?
Obviously there may be a couple of problems with package incompatibility with the new kernel, for example with the rearrangement of
I think that in some respects developers and distributers are not really taking full advantage of the openness of kernel development.