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SuSE's Next Release Will Come With 2.4 Kernel - Updated
Several people wrote in to point out that SuSE appears to be the first big Linux vendor to have
announced a distro to be shipped with the still-cute 2.4 Linux kernel as default. Here's their
announcment in
English, and in German. Since they'll also be including a
2.2 kernel "in parallel," this isn't totally earthshaking (some other distros have been shipping 2.2 stock and
2.4 optional for a little while), but it certainly is welcome news that SuSE is willing to reverse
that order. Update: 01/26 05:04 PM by T : SuSE's Lenz Grimmer wrote to correct this, saying "Even though we ship with the 2.4 kernel, it is _not_ the default kernel,
the user has to explicitly select the kernel during the installation." Thanks for the correction, Lenz.
I have Redhat 7 and i mostly love it(besides that annoying gcc bug) and together with Kernel 2.4 it rocks, got no problems with it at all, basically it rocks.
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> Then, you install _every available linux package in the known universe_, even those that don't compile, leaving your drive full of useless tar files.
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> How much of the HD have we used, at this point? 8, 10 gigs? That's 1/4 of the space of this, by today's standards, fairly conservatively sized hard drive.
It is much more probably in the Tera range. Anyone could make an educated guess ?
Cheers,
--fred
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Think of what a kernel mode web browser will be able to do for web sites!
Cool!! Imagine the possibilities!
image=/boot/vmlinuz
label=linux
read-only
root=/dev/hda3
append="mem=256M hdc=ide-scsi url=http://slashdot.org"
:-)
Something like that.
THere's a VIA chipset IDE bug that affects some users. Enable DMA and bye-bye filesystem!
Mandrake has been shipping with an (experimental prerelease) 2.4 for some time now, though it defaults to 2.2.17.
... it happilly coexists with the current Mandrake distro, and quite probably with other distros as well.
... do not run 2.4.0 under Mandrake 7.2 on any NFS clients. There is a bug/incompatability which causes periodic hangs on the client side under 2.4, hangs which only recover with a reboot (which itself usually hangs and requires a reset). This may be an incompatability between the Mandrake nfs utilities and the 2.4 NFS implimentation ... I've only looked at it casually, as none of the machines I'm serious about running 2.4 on use NFS.
Debian is also mucking with 2.4, and I'm sure other distros are to.
I am using 2.4 in a couple of production environments that benefit from the multithreaded ip stack, under Mandrake 7.2. Everything is fine as long as you do not compile devfs into the kernel
One caveat
The other caveat is ieee1394 -- there was a bug in the drivers in 2.4 which has been fixed, so if you want to use dvgrab to capture via firewire download the cvs version of the drivers, install into the 2.4 tree, and recompile.
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
Exactly! So who care about what get installed, just do the minimal install and add the packets you need.
> You can even keep your current install, I am sure it has got
> all the stable software you need.
So why would I use SuSe, then ?
Exactly, don't use it!
I am not about what YOU need but more about what SuSE can sell and what they expect (most) people to want...
> > But why should I care when the Caldera eDesktop will just
> > make a clean an stable install of what I need ?
> Ok, why should you care?
This is a discussion forum, isn't it.
I am just pointing out that SuSe might have more useful things to do to promote itself than put kernel 2.4 in its distro
And that's my point as well: I tell you what SuSE's business plan is.
> And why should SuSE care about what you care?
Because I am a potential customer and I don't want to remain
attached to any specific distro, it is deontologically to keep
an eye on whoever in order to get a decent distro.
Linux is a big market where poeple don't really need to pay for what they want. So ask yourself who you would be trying to sell a distro to? What kind of customer should they go after for big sales numbers?
> > Else, they should follow their motto which is to bring Linux
;o)
> > to the non technical.
> Since when is that their moto?
Recently, I guess.
Do you think Corel sold them their old moto now that they are going out of business?
> This is Microsoft's moto (just replace Linux with Technology ;o) I always thought their moto was:
>
> Put everything on the CD, get recent versions, poeple will buy
> it and get a newer version in one year.
Well, this wouldn't please most customers, especially the corporations.
Where are the big corporations who will buy 1000 CDs for their site? If they do this, that's silly, they could make free copy or even better, make their own install CD customized to their site... No wait, they could even pay SuSE to do it for them! But then why should they worry about the mainstream install?!?
> Let's just be the best at doing that.
> I know it works for me...
Lucky you.
When I say it works for me, I mean I will buy 7.1 (as I bought 6.0 more than a year ago).
Black holes occur when God divides by zero.
So, I think the problem is not exactly that distros ship like that, but that distros are preferred at all over downloading the newest kernel and sources. I guess it saves time and bandwidth ;-)
What I find strange is that, in old SuSe distros, that if you installed other basic kernel packages than SuSe, you would get a conflict warning. This seems strange. Seems that has been solved in the new Distro ?
I think distros should spent more attention space on telling people how to swop their kernels.
I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
Honestly, do you really think that everyone has 20G+ harddrives? Sorry I think not: I still use my 5 year old laptop regularly which has only 1.3 Gig harddisk.
When I started to play around with Linux (that was on my laptop), I coudn't get any usable install for Linux because SuSE, Redhat and Corel (the CD's I got hand on) filled the disk up so much that there was barely place to install any programs. Guess, what I found a nice sleek distro (150Meg installed, 90Meg iso-download, with KDE) and now this "too old to be used" laptop had a second life as a surfstation that does dual-boot W95-OSR2 and Peanut Linux 8.2 .
Small size and elegance should go and hand in hand.
Ahhh...the great dumpster continuum. Many a free computer will be found there. -- sowth (748135)
Just because an issue is worthy, doesn't mean you should introsuce it into every discussion.
I simply happened to be curious about whether SuSE donates to charity. If you think this is offtopic, please ignore it. I certainly think it's on topic. The article's all about SuSE.
I'm sure if Hubel and Wiesel had been closing the eyes of human foetuses, you certainly wouldn't regard their study as residing in a moral gray area. How are cat foetuses any different?
The other issue is security. With 1000s of executables installed there's bound to be some with security problems, buffer overflows, SETUID expolits, /tmp exploits and the like. The more obscure the program, the less likely it is to have been thoroughly audited for holes. If I can't trust it, I don't want to install it.
I saw a demo of SuSe 7.0 installing last year. Point-click-point and 3 CDs full of shovel-ware gets installed. Yuck!
I prefer the Debian method. Only install what I want to install, and a means of reporting bugs on each package which gets back to the maintainer. Also, via apt-get, there's a centralised mechanism for updating all installed code when and if security problems occurr.
This is a tech site, one that caters to a more "hardcore", and admittedly, sometimes narrow-minded view of technology. Many of the users here are environmentally conscious, but they know that this is not the time or the place for such discussion. When discussing deforestation or the impact of gill nets, we go elsewhere. Likewise, then discussing the new P4 or the latest exploits of some overclocker, we come here.
We're not as myopic as you seem to think we are.
Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses
Instead of worrying about what the kernel has, worry about what kind of functionality you get from the GUI.
I run RedHat and I know that the GUI lies to me. However, we are in the process of converting our coworkers into *nx from NT. They were trying to configure NIS. The Linuxconf makes it seem that NIS is fully configured.It isn't. They finally got really frustrated and came to us for assistance because the Linuxconf wasn't working.
There is LOTS of work to do after you tell Linuxconf to "Activate Changes". DUPLICATE the "My Computer" Icon from that "other" OS. Don't be ashamed. They stole it from Apple, who stole it from Xerox....
It's the same thing we do every night, Pinky.
Even though we ship with the 2.4 kernel, it is _not_ the default kernel, the user has to explicitly select the kernel during the installation."
.. nice job geniuses.
so the whole point is basically "SuSE with its new distros is doing the exact same thing all others are doing"
Oh man, I remember the disk box I had that was just for Slackware. Then a new version would be released and my week would be gone. After a while, I broke down and got a 4x CD-ROM specifically for Slackware (and having music was a big plus). I paid $180 for it and it's still in my main desktop.
Anyway, most of the disks ended up being various other things, mostly Linux boot disks, DR-DOS, thrown out due to bad sectors, etc. I haven't seen one around in ages. I've been using whatever driver disks come with my hardware.
I'm amazed that yours are in good condition. I wonder if you can get ridiculously old versions of Slackware... or Yggdrasil or SLS (my first) for that matter. I'm going to look around.
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http://siokaos.org/
For what it's worth, it installs without a hitch on a RH7.0 system, and I haven't had a single problem with it.
.0 release in the 2.x series.
In fact, it fixed a few small annoying bugs that I had with 2.2.18, and introduced no new ones, as near as I can tell.
This is definitely the most stable
Excuse me, you want to waste 10 gigs of HD space? Go ahead, but my full time linux server only has a 1.6 GB drive and I still want some of that to hold my shared files, web sites and MP3s. I suspect i'm not the only person here who found their old P133 makes an ideal full time linux server. I don't take to kindly to distributions whose compact installation still installs crap that I dont want.
no sig.
i emailed SuSE about a pre-order, and this is their reply: "I do apologize but at the present moment, we are currently not taking any pre-orders. I realize that our press release said it will be available shortly, due to unexpected circumstances that may happen, there might be delays. Thus, we want to play it safe and not start taking orders just yet. Please contact us in a week to see if we are taking pre-orders. I apologize for the inconvenience". Apparently the marketing department got a little carried away.
SuSE pays several of the key KDE developers to work full-time on Open Source, as well as some XFree86 developers, and possibly others too. I think that's charity enough :)
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"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
I've always like SuSE, but I've always thought that /sbin/init.d was one of the most retarded places to put init scripts. I mean, come on.../sbin? That's for your statically linked system administrator's utilities.
If you ran a distro, would you have shipped the 2.2.0 kernel as soon as it was availible?
>Why does SuSe still want to play Avant-garde ?
Maybe becaused this is what people who buy a new distro want? Maybe selling an 'old' version (that you can find free in a magazine) is not a very good business model...
Anyway, I am happy they plain Avant-garde, and you can always dwonload bug fixes later.
>In 1999 they were the first to deliver the ATI128 X server
>but they should not deliver stuff they have neither coded nor tested by themselves.
If you don't want to use them, don't. It is still better to deliver something that works with some configuration than deliver nothing.
Remember the moto "release early, release often" ?
>2.4 is nice, but not quite ready for the non-geek. ,making new versions...
Really? I thought Linux in general is not ready for the non-geek, but go figure! I mean, SuSE could probably make a lot of money by selling their stock of old SuSE 6.4, why do they bother
Oooops, I forgot to say "I know I will be moderated down for saying this, but...", how am I going to get karma without saying it?!?
How will people know I am sooo coool that I am not affraid to stand for my opinions?
Black holes occur when God divides by zero.
Well, that's a start. But if that's all they do, I'd certainly want to see more.
For example, it's plainly obvious to anyone who cares to look that their mascot is a chameleon. Now, who even knows that there are at least two different endangered species of chameleon? The Parson's chameleon, Chamaeleo parsonii parsonii, and the Smith's dwarf chameleon, Bradypodion taeniabronchum, are both endangered. I think that it would be downright callous of the SuSE corporation to use this animal as its mascot while not caring about its ultimate fate.
Both of these chameleons are threatened by the loss of their habitat, so I think it would be a great move for SuSE to donate to the Nature Conservancy, a non-profit organization with the primary goal of preserving animal habitats, often by buying lands and waters with especially high biodiversity and natural value.
Does anyone actually know if SuSE is doing anything of this sort? If so, my hat's off to them. If not, I will not be buying any of their products until they take up their responsibilities to the world and its natural habitats. Free software is nice, but a livable Earth is crucial.
- For some reason my X-server dies with a segfault. I know this sounds like a hardware failure, but it surely doesn't happen in 2.2.17
- The latency seems to be worse. From time to time the kernel 'freezes' for about a second. I suppose this has to do with a not totaly matured Virtual Memory system.
All in all, im reverting back to the 2.2 series for the moment. I'll try again when 2.4.1 ships.
Sander.
This is sooo pathetic, got nothing interresting to say? Like "SuSE is catching up with Slackware, has overtaken RedHat but is still behin Mandrake and it's 7.2".
Why am I in such a bad mood today?
Black holes occur when God divides by zero.
I'm Ella the Cat. The human I get to do my typing who views me as a pet seems happy to pay SuSE for the convenience of getting a working system. As a cat, I'm pretty much laid back, but my human gets really tetchy when reading between the lines of posts like yours.
I think he meant "interesting" in the same manner as that of a psychiatrist discovering a new and unique delusion.
i dunno about slack but from what i know abotu debian it's like the slowest distro cause of their extensive test cycle right?
Yeah, if there's one thing I hate most, it's thoroughly tested software! Grr!
The big selling point for RH7 was its readiness for 2.4.
We're ready, guys. At least post a RSN on your website.
p.s. Inclusion of the Reiser patch would be peachy.
FWIW,
The reason you see so many security updates for RH, is quite simple: it's the most prevalent distro out there.
That said, there are a few things that set distro's apart:
For the record I have run RH 6.2 and am now running Debian 2.2, I liked them both, but I do like Debian better. Take my remarks (maybe someone can expand on them a little) and decide what's best for your needs, there really is not much difference.
Mart"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
I'm using kernel 2.4.0 since its first release too.
No, I too have X-server segfaults, even with a 2.2.14 kernel on a 6.4 SuSE.
Exactly the same problem as yours. I just upgraded my X-server to 4.0.2 and added glx and dri on my config file.
(*not* dri nor glx fault, as I checked)
As for your freezing problem, I don't know, as I never experienced it (Celeron 800/256Mb ram)
Watch for 2.4.1, as ReiserFS is great too (I'm using it since SuSE 6.4).
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If Internet is Freedom, Linux is Democraty
Do you know how long it took Slackware to get to glibc?
Do you realize that without Red Hat, there probably wouldn't be Gnome?
Do you realize that Debian's current release is always ancient?
There is too much stuff out there that runs on Red Hat, especially in the commercial realm, to seriously consider the alternatives, excepting their nitches. Turbolinux has more advanced clustering and Asian language support, and Suse and Mandrake have Reiser. Unless you need one of these components, there is no reason to make trouble for yourself.
!rant
Suse is a company, that means they are selling their stuff with one goal
Profit
is that bad ? no, they put alot of monney in kde and kernel devel. and you know why ?
its not cause the are friendly ppl who like KDE and linux, well maybe a bit,
but mostly cause improving linux == improving their own product
!/rant
so i think suse is a great product and that they can do with their profit whatever they want
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That is were it is in HPUX and True64. I don't know about retarded but that is were it is.
Out
It's a life disturbingly similar to my own.
And I don't even own a cat.
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
I agree, if you dont use the stuff, it should not be on the system.
out
Now honestly, how many sysadmins are stupid enough to install the default configuration? Do you think that even NT admins do that???
Secondly, for your average Linux user, do you think it's more important to have the minimum install or to have many packages more or less tested that you can fiddle with?
Once more I come back to my first point: Ok, you have got many things, you don;t have to install them and if you think that the only install option should be mimimum one then you are probably not the main target for SuSE (and yes, going with debian is probably the best idea).
Black holes occur when God divides by zero.
Anyone noticed that Timothy says: "Since they'll also be including a 2.2 kernel in parallel"
Moderation: +4. Modded 70% Funny and 30% Overrated. 100% Saturated.
What does "still-cute" mean when in reference to the Linux 2.4 kernel?
Cryptnotic
My other first post is car post.
just 2 quickie questions.
What color is the Sky in your world?
really...I'm curious....
You've never worked on a Farm have you......
Chuckle, thanks though, your nick brightened up my day.
Tadghe
Bugs Bunny was right.
And all versions. Have a 7th disc containing nothing but kernels! Just for that retro feel.
Dear Josip.
First of all I would like to ask you, if you would be kindly enough to prove, that you are actually a debian developer. I am sure, someone with your knowledge has a slashdot accoutn and does not need to post anonymously.
Furthermore I would like to ask you, if you understood the concept of open source completely. It also is a way for some, that express a certain affinity to a particular topic, to express themselves. The so called script kiddie, I happen to knwo personally takes a lot of his personal interest into this project.
He does this, becuase he wishes to provide a plattform for other, which might be interested in debian as well. No one in sperfect and he might make some mistakes, which could be easily corrected if you went to him, now thaty ouknwo where he can found, and helped him to improve instead of frustrating him by posting such a comment on a widely used webpage.
Do you want to have support from the userbase for the distribution you are working for, or do you want to angeer them. I am sure that you could have made a smarter approach to this, I wonder why you see a need to diminish his product. Maybe it is not bad, but good and it scares you that somone is able to provide such a plattform for debain users?
I am not sure why you would choose to mark yourself as a complete asshole in some readers eyes instead of going to rob and asking him to improve on his work.
In spain they have a saying, roughly translated it reads:
Everyone should first sweep inf ront of his own door, there's enough dirt to be cleaned.
Have you swept in front of your door lately?
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please excuse the typoes.
The moral of this story -- take anonymous posts with a grain of salt. (or perhaps don't read them at all ;)
(Thanks to robster for the link, I wouldn't have noticed this post otherwise.)
I personally think that RedHat uis still the 'first out of the gate' by just making everything 2.4 ready, but it's a hell of a lot better this way. It's too bad that it can't be one of the greats, like Debian or Slack, but this is the sort of thing that may very well end up grabbing more market share for SuSE. People will see 'Oooh! It comes with something that has bigger numbers!' and they'll want to buy it. Of course, this will only work if they come out with a bigger number than RedHat. RedHat has been playing that game masterfully, and I believe still has the highest version number with the big boy distros.
When encryption is outlawed, ?o'AZ-,++o+i++##4AoA+-/-C++bI+/.+~
Secondly and more importantly, I think that the kernel 2.4 has a lot of great things to offer the enterprise, and this is a market where SuSE seems to be trying to extend themselves. If only they used a standards-compliant boot setup :(. (at least it is more interoperable than Red Hat 7.)
Think of what a kernel mode web browser will be able to do for web sites! Or even for a home user: USB and PCI modem support (at least in a limited form for the PCI Modems).
This is only a matter of time before others do the same, but I think that SuSE will benefit from this move.
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
I have not switched to 2.4 at the moment because of some energy saving issue that makes my Maestro2E soundcard whistle, I guess this is dangerous for my hardware as after a hard reboot the hell continues as soon as the hd spins up and even if I boot "another os".
Frightening.
My problem is that I am not sure I may want to boot a SuSe install CD that may burn my sound chip during the startup. Especially because of this disclaimer written in small chars.
And finally, I don't like SuSe : not standard, too long to fix the startup sequence, each time I launch yast, i have to manually re-unset the "hardware clock set to GMT" because of a bug they would not correct since v4...
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Trolling using another account since 2005.
SuSe7 came with KDE2 and it was catastrophic. Why does SuSe still want to play Avant-garde ?
In 1999 they were the first to deliver the ATI128 X server but they should not deliver stuff they have neither coded nor tested by themselves.
2.4 is nice, but not quite ready for the non-geek.
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Trolling using another account since 2005.
Firstly, congratulations to SuSE for their progressive attitude!
But does this attitude extend any farther than new software releases? SuSE obviously pulls in quite a lot of revenue from selling their distribution. Does any of this money go to more enlightened causes? Charities, animal rights groups, environmental protection foundations?
As an American living in Germany I can tell you that the SuSE distro is VERY popular. I used to be a die hard RedHat fan, but no longer. Not only do they do an excellent job of releasing interim updates but check out their newsgroups and you'll see the outstanding support offered by not only SuSE employees but the fellow users as well. No, I do not work for them Tim
A Short Story by The_Messenger
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"Nik, I'm not comfortable with your hand being on my ass."
"But come on, baby, you know you want it," Nik insisted. How had I, Jeff "Hemos" Bates, gotten myself into such a predicament? Sure, I'd always thought Nik was cute, and even though I never formally came out, Nik always seemed to know the wife was a front all along. And when "Gay" Nik, famous in the Open Source Community for his insatiable desire for rough gay sex, invited me to help him set up his new FreeBSD box, I had an idea something was up. Little did I know that "something" was Nik's ten inches of rock-hard manmeat, pulsing through his faded Levi's jeans like a wild jungle snake.
"Nik, you're hurting me!", I whelped.
"And that's just the way you like it, bitch," Nik snarled. "You know that famous cartoon of the daemon giving it to the penguin in the behind? Thats gonna be you and me, mate," Nate said with a flick of his golden blond highlighted locks. His English accent was so charming... it almost made such awful things sound nice. But no, I mustn't go down that road... "But first," Nik continued, "we must set up this FreeBSD box. FreeBSD is the only true homosexual operating system, and so you will learn it, because I tell you to. I won't have any dirty Linux user sucking my balls."
"Oh, Nik," I whispered, batting my eyelashes, "must you always be so forceful?" Nik slapped my ass and laughed.
"Calm down, you pansy. You don't know the meaning of forceful yet. Now grab that 4.2 CD." I leaned over and grabbed the CD set for FreeBSD 4.2. Nik got his media free from Walnut Creek, because the admins there were terrified of him. Rumour has it that one Walnut Creek operator who refused to send Nik the latest FreeBSD CD kit for free was found in the machine room the next morning duct-taped to a chair with an RJ45 crimper jammed into his bloody asshole. Ever since, Nik has been sent prerelease copies of every FreeBSD set.
All of my administration experience is with Red Hat, so I was a little scared to try a real operating system, but with Nik's expert guidance, I was well on my way to learning this queer OS. Nik showed me how to use the curses-based installation tool to partition my disks, select an installation profile, and set up XFree86. Within an hour, the system was installed, and rebooted back to a command prompt.
I was standing in front of the console when Nik came up behind me.
"How's it going, mate?" he asked.
"Oh, Nik," I said, startled, "you startled me. I'm just trying to mount this CD-ROM's filesystem. The commands are similar, but this Berkely csh takes a little getting used to."
"Let me help, love," he murmured. He stepped closer behind me, and I could feel his hot breath on the back of my neck. I moved my hands away from the keyboard to allow him access, and he mounted the drive with blinding speed. "There, all better. Anything else you need mounted, love?"
"Oh, Nik..." I said quietly, my breath rushing out. Nik stepped closer, and I could feel his hot tool pressing into the depression of my asscrack through his jeans. "Oh, Nik, yes, there is something you could mount." I couldn't take it any longer. This strapping Englishman's dominant sexuality had overcome my fears of public embarrassment, and there I vowed to myself that from that day forward I would be Nik's woman. I threw my arms behind me, grabbed his ass, and pulled him closer. "Show me your hard drive, you naughty little daemon."
"Much obliged," Nik said with a wink. "But I'm anything but little." Nik slowly pulled off his tight jeans and out sprang the biggest, thickest cock I had ever seen. Now I watch a lot of gay pornography, but never in the depths of my deepest homosexual desire had I craved a dick this magnificent. It was like a juicy flank steak, dripping with juices. The aroma of ballcheese wafted up toward me as his mammoth testicles swung like pendulums of eroticism. I lost control and feel to my knees instantly, slobbering greedily at the wonderous thing, struggling, in vain, to fit the monstrous cockhead into my mouth.
"Oh, Nik," I cried, "I want you, I need you, I must have you. Make me your woman."
"And so I will mate, but first I must prepare you. Take off your clothes," Nik commanded. I clumsily undressed, unable to take my eyes off of his prodigious member. Nik reached over to his backpack (the one with the rainbow patches) and took out five jars of Astroglide lubricant. When I was finally naked, Nik looked up.
"Oh, well look at that," Nik said, pointing to my tiny, erect penis. "How cute. It's almost as small as Jon Katz's."
"Now, Nik, don't make fun," I said, sternly.
"I'm just kidding, love. To be honest, I like the 'little boy' look. I see you've shaved your pubes. Nice."
"Oh, Nik, I never had pubes..."
"Even better. You bald testicles remind me of my youth, when I was gang-raped by my daddy and four uncles."
"You were molested too?" I asked, hopeful.
"Of course, mate. All us faggots were. Now turn around and kneel in front of the couch." I did, and Nik proceeded to slather my virgin rosebud with three jars of Astroglide. As he did, he worked his fingers in and out of my asshole. My tiny penis was completely erect, almost touching my navel. Nik reached down and stroked it with two fingers (all that was necessary) was he prepared my anus. I moaned and sighed, and called out Rob Malda's name several times in my ecstacy. But Nik stopped before I could waste my seed, and stood back.
" Hemos, I think you've inspected my hard disk for long enough. Now I'm going to give your box more RAM."
"Oh, yes, Nik, RAM my box! R007 m3! 0wn me!"
"Hemos, it gets me so hot when you speak l337. Keep doing so." I let loose a string of l337 speak which would make even the most k-r4d w4R3z d00d blush, and Nik's penis began the descent towards my throbbing asshole.
"Oh!" I screamed, as Nik's gigantor began to rend my asshole to proportions only G. Oatse had known before. "Oh, Nik, pump my virgin geek asshole! Use and abuse me like Jon Katz did the Slashdot community! Pingflood my rectum like I'm running Red Hat 7! For the love of Barbara Streisand, Slashdot my ass!!"
The pumping and thrusting started, and didn't stop for 78 hours. Nik took me on a wild, shit-caked tour of Heaven, Hell, and San Francisco. I was on the edge of consciousness when he reached climax. He spewed gallons upon gallons of creamy sputum into my rectal cavity, filling my body up with his love. My abdomen swelled up like a water balloon, and I could taste his cum in the back of my throat when the tide finally ceased. I fell to the floor, and Nik stood up.
"Now you are mine, and a l337 FreeBSD user. I dub three Lord Hemos, proud and gay, and you shall sit at my right hand in Wales, where I rule the Court of FreeBSD Committers with an iron fist and a steel cock. Stand up, Lord Hemos, and let me eat your dirty ass."
Nik helped me up, and I weakly stood, amazed, as Nik proceeded to eat my asshole clean. Nik was on his knees behind me, lowered to the same level as the lowest California gigalo. Much like Jesus would wash the feet as his followers, Nik inducted his lovers into his secret cabal of Gay FreeBSD Love by dining on their sore, runny assholes. He ingested his own jizzm, completing the Circle of Gay.
When my rump had healed, I left Michigan (and my wife) on a journey with Nik to the UK, a Gay Wonderland rumoured to be the birthplace of homosexuality. I learned the gay alphabet, gay spelling ("It's 'coluououour', stupid American! Tee hee!"), and to use the gay currency (uro), and had a BSD Daemon tattooed on my ass with the phrase "Property of Gay Nik".
This has all happened so fast! It's hard to believe that only six hours ago, I was Jeff Bates, closeted homosexual and Linux user. I'm so glad that Nik and I got together, and I credit everything to FreeBSD, the l337est and Gayest UNIX-clone in the Universe! I invite you to check out your local FreeBSD user group and check us out!
These days, I'm very busy with FreeBSD and being Nik's trophy wife, but I've also created HEMOS, the Homoerotic Male Outreach service, an organization dedicated to saving poor young men from the perils of heterosexuality and Linux-userhood. We've already saved Cowboy Neal (how could a guy with a name like that not be queer?) and Emmett will be coming along soon. Please join us!
Love,
Lord Hemos the Gay
THE END.
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Oh, now that I've went and spent another $13 (US) on a new NIC that can be recognized my the 2.2.xx kernels, they go and release my favorite distro with the 2.4 kernel which recognizes my current NIC. In case you were wondering it is the Linksys LNE100 and it blows. Despite the fact that it has about 40 linux stickers on the front of the package, the drivers included with it don't work and the drivers I can download work only occasionally. But I digress (and probably misspell a few things). SuSE is my distro of choice and I'm glad to see that they are leading the way in introducing the new kernel amongst the top Linux OS venders. I was just thinking to myself the other day what a great thing it would be if I could get a distro that is easy to install and that included the 2.4 kernel, KDE 2.0, and Xfree86 4.0 as standard options. Maybe I this will make all my dreams come true.
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- just choose some default install mode and you'll get zillions of megabytes full of redundant crap you'll mostly never use
- do it efficiently but it will take hours remove packages you actually don't want and to resolve any dependencies.
So, yes, I could just avoid to install any beta package that I don't want but why should I care when the Caldera eDesktop will just make a clean an stable install of what I need ?(And I don't tell about yast bug^H^H^Hissues...)
Else, they should follow their motto which is to bring Linux to the non technical.
How ?
By thinking configuraiton-wise instead of volume-wise.
Since 6.4 I have usually been disappointed by SuSe... I seriously wonder if I'll ever try their distrib anymore and my final point on this article is that kernel 2.4 is not the right thing to announce to the community.
They'd rather announce that they stabilized their distro and made it simple.
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I would have had some machines running 2.2.pre releases with my distro and therefore hopefully would have spotted any problems.
Note I am not saying that the day 2.4.0 comes out that I would release a distribution. But I would release one after a few weeks of testing. preceded by 2 years of testing whilst the development of 2.4.0 was performed in the 2.3.x chain.
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Mandrake had already adopted the 2.4 kernel as the default kernel for their next version about 2 weeks before it was released as final. This is in-keeping with Mandrake's bleeding-edge philosophy. I don't see how this constitutes news at all, actually. I'm quite sure most distributions will soon adopt the 2.4 kernel for their next versions. Sure, some distributions will stick with the tried-and-true 2.2 kernel for a while. But eventually...They'll all switch.
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Ok, but they all are a nightmare... Ever tried Solaris?
>just choose some default install mode and you'll get zillions of megabytes full of redundant crap you'll mostly never use
Well, yeah, that's what a default install is all about...
>So, yes, I could just avoid to install any beta package that I don't want
Why should you? You can even keep your current install, I am sure it has got all the stable software you need.
>but why should I care when the Caldera eDesktop will just make a clean an stable install of what I need ?
Ok, why should you care? If it works for you, good for you. And why should SuSE care about what you care?
>Else, they should follow their motto which is to bring Linux to the non technical. ;o)
Since when is that their moto? This is Microsoft's moto (just replace Linux with Technology
I always thought their moto was: put everything on the CD, get recent versions, poeple will buy it and get a newer version in one year. Let's just be the best at doing that.
I know it works for me...
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Whilst on the subject of testing, anyone know why XFree-4.0.2 hasn't appeared yet? It is holding up a lot of other packages that depend on the 4 series libs. The excuses file on the Debian web site seems to indicate that some PowerPC debs have not gone into the package pool, but these went in over a month ago. I know that there were problems with the Arm processor port, but these I believe have been circumvented.
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Actually, since the export stuff has been lightened, does anyone out there know if they'll be including OpenSSH and so forth on the US CD's in the next release (OpenBSD does it)??
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This is one of the most common forms of animal-slavery justification: "I'm providing a service for my pet," or (especially among cat owners), "no, silly, my pet actually owns me!"
These are both terrible rationalizations.
Let's take cats, since you obviously "own" one. Cats are, by nature, solitary hunters. In your house, your cat is kept in an environment artificially free of prey, given poor imitations of real meat at your whim several times per day, subjected to an endless succession of rewards and punishments dispensed according to the byzantine system of social conventions governing proper conduct in human households, and will grow fat and lazy and die painfully of heart disease or some similar ailment.
What kind of life is this?
I won't suggest that, at this point, you simply turn your cat out on to the street: human cities may or may not be great places for cats to live on their own, and they simply can't support all the cats that are owned today. What you can do, though, is refuse to buy any more cats or breed the ones you already have: the fewer pets that are born into misery, the closer we are to being able to free the last pets into an environment that can sustain them.
And it's not because they have not got money, just because $60000 pound for free software is just not a clever idea. If you try to get Linux installed on many systems, you would probably make your own config and save it? No?
Anyway, concerning their statements, they are marketing stuff...
And one last, thing, for someone who criticizes them so much, you have got lot's of their distribution. Did you buy them all or just downloaded them? Just curious...
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And for your information, you can already find 2.4 kernel by default in Cooker for a long time. (RPMS on ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrak e-devel/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/
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IMHO Redhat 7 and 2.4 could be a killer combo if they do it right.
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>just choose some default install mode and you'll get zillions of >megabytes full of redundant crap you'll mostly never use
Okay, . . . just for the sake of argument, let's say you do a full SuSE install of 3+ gigs on your 40 gig HD . . . the whole enchilada, with every nook and cranny of cruft in the CDRom.
Then, you install _every available linux package in the known universe_, even those that don't compile, leaving your drive full of useless tar files.
Then, you hit the background sites, download the full propaganda archive, filling the HD with top-heavy graphics.
How much of the HD have we used, at this point? 8, 10 gigs? That's 1/4 of the space of this, by today's standards, fairly conservatively sized hard drive.
Slamming a distro for cruft is a dead issue, with drives of today's sizes. How could a few additional gigs of packages lower the efficiency of a distro, and steal precious space from the drive? SuSE's strenght lies in its provision of little known and obscure packages that do incredibly, incredibly cool things. It's a trip to play with them on a cold winter night, and explore unusual sectors of the UNIX universe.
Anyway, does it really matter which one is the default? Are there really many people who take a distribution, install the default kernel and are done with it? I hope not!
I believe what motivate people to buy a distro is to have the option to install recent versions of the software they want and that the system stays easy to upgrade and fiddle with...Or has the "dumbing" of the Linux community already happened?!?
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um, FreeBSD has had ipv6 since at least version 4.0 (nearly a year now). Now the threaded issue - that's different.
Because this is not stable kernel per se,
but "merely" a decision by Linus that there
is no more major shakeups or (binary) interface
changes in this kernel series.
Thus he released 2.4.0 in order to enlarge the
user base and get the (inevitable) bugs sorted
out. He wrote as much in his release note.
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I'm slightly puzzled at the conservatism in the take-up of 2.4.0 IIRC, the whole point of having even numbered versions is to indicate to the world and his wife that the 2.4 kernel is stable.
/dev, but I would have expected these to shake out in the 2+ year development of the 2.3.x series of kernels. Also presumably major distros such as RedHat keep track of changes to the kernel [they do pay/support Alan Cox and others don't they?], so any problems with such distros again should IMO have been foreseen and dealt with. One of our advantages, I thought, was that because all development is visible at all times to everyone, that problems in other packages could be foreseen and dealt with in parellel with development of 2.3.x, until it became 2.4.0.
So why the slow take up ?
Obviously there may be a couple of problems with package incompatibility with the new kernel, for example with the rearrangement of
I think that in some respects developers and distributers are not really taking full advantage of the openness of kernel development.
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This is not correct, 2.2 will still be the default. However, the user can select 2.4 during the initial installation, and can choose the kernel version on bootup.
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