Better yet, form a standards body or *Gasp* build it yourself and see if people come. The problem is if you build it you would realize why it is the way it is in the first place. Don't be so unrealistic as to think that people who do this for no renumeration give two squirts what you think when you have no desire to do anything about it. WHO cares what the uninvolved think of your hobby.
There are tons of examples out there for EVERY command on the CLI. If waisting the time of others is the only way you can get at information then you are a case study for GUI implementations.
Their are already tons of responces in news groups finely documented on google groups. there are documentation repositories with the newbies in mind. There are FAQS. If "check out the man pages for fstab" is an adequate responce for you then google groups is your oasis. If not go to gentoo forums. If the whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth than don't do it. Licoris, knoppix or zandros will probably suit your needs and there is no need to hit the CLI anyway. Complaining that people who aren't to lazy to check the plethora of resources before annoying a technical base with an offtopic question is much worse than replying with the same disregard of respect for your situation.
The only difference between this and windows is the complete lack of documentation on these subjects and you have to PAY for MS time. I in kind do not require or want renumeration for my support, but I do require your effort to mitigate your needs.
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In the begining their was Hardware. It was treated openly and all was good. But with all edens, it didn't last. People figured out that they could make money of 'Software'. Money from software begat closed source. And soon we had the Tower of babel. Then the priests of the tower agreed on a common langauge which begat *nix. Unix was good. Yay were the ones who conformed so that learning could be reused.
Some became jealous of common experience and chose to subvert it. Jealousy begat microsoft. Bill Gates spoke to his people and we can make this easier but you must forget that there are others like you but not you.
So Gnu and came to destroy the evil kingdoms of pseudo standards. "We will give you the code as long as you give onto others", they said. Gnu begat standards based tools that conformed to the venerable POSIX standard and the people rejoiced.
So it was, until the era of Internet. Many came to see and use the work that so many others had formed from years of review. "Why doesn't this tool do as I asked?", said the children of the internet. "Have you RTFM?" replied those of *nix. This would not do in the eyes of the digital so soon the children of the internet came together and studied the books of the POSIX and decided what to keep and what to remake anew.
Look, there is more documentation covering every little aspect of GNU/linux and unix in general that answering time consuming explanative request on "How does this work." is more than a little insulting. The barrier to entry isn't lack of material it is your personal text munging skills and time devoted to study. There are terrific sites devoted to material of this nature that quick OD or google searches could produce.
The fact that people are annoyed that I am explaining that documentation is readily available and just requires THIER effort is THIER problem. This is not a members only club, but it does require self-reliance. This is a guiding light in the *nix/Free community. If it seems brash and arrogant then so be it. We have provide everyone the resources to solve their own problem so we are quick to point out that you should use them to save us all effort in the long run.
I don't think I have ever seen someone suggest using windows as an alternative to a *nix like environment. They don't even exist in the same problem domain. They do not target the same market and that is why WINDOWS is not taken seriously by people in the know. Hell, use Apple if you like paying for stuff that is barely supported and maintained (read proprietary). At least they try to do 'The Right Thing'.
One things a true geek does well is the least amount of effort for the maximum benefit. Now I COULD ask their permission which involves email, typing, public key swapping, consultation of a IP lawyer, a few RFC's and a new XML DTD to ensure proper implementation of your idea... or I could cut and paste the article and expend no further thought on my already taxed brain.
While your idea may have ethical merit, that too takes precious time and energy for a proper cost/benefit analysis and a few philosphy prof's interest to discuss it's cultural implications.
Having said this I completely disagree with the moral argument, but completely understand that their are legal implications which are currently enacted.
I think it is also time to test fraudulent claims. I think this could be considered advertising and the claim that sysv contained SMP which as I understand it is strictly NOT true. Claiming that their IP covers that and the can sell you those capabilities is false advertising. From here on out I am going to ignore these articles as the just serve to get the blood all angried up.
I would say that your vendor of the distro is the one you need to bark at... or the ever popular "the source code is there so just fix it yourself!"
Using the former strategy, tell the vendor your needs and state that you will find a newer one if they don't commence to commiting resources to fixing it. For this strategy to work you must be capable of implementing the consequences, otherwise pissing of your only vendor is idiotic.
The latter method is gruelling, time-intensive and worst of all may not be applicable to any future endeavor (about the most annoying aspect of existence IMNSHO is pointless drudgery). But this is the only reasonable way to expedite the fix if you don't have a support contract for your OS.
It took me about 8 years to dump microsoft from full usage. I used windows for games and my job. Lukily when I came back to my current job my boss said "I am surprised you didn't put linux on that..." I did and after six months of waffling, I only use linux. I can actually do things outside of a gui. I guess you could have in winblows but why? After getting used to not unix I don't know how I ever used windows in the first place.
As is microsft java implementation. But they've had the foresight to break compatibility for the developers. Without that added "MS" touch, it would be just like everyone elses. That isn't what the IT industry wants now is it.
It really is something that is beyond the RIAA and MPAA. The do not represent the Artist, the customer or the content... They only represent the missed oppertunity. I think this is oddly enough the only real saviour for them (not the commercial music or film industry mind you, just the current distribution market.) Sign the deal with the devil because technology is a bitch goddess... She may have given birth to your industry but she only likes her new creations.
Kazaa represents not piracy but a new market. The force that you see causing havoc is due to the market not being satisfied. Just like prohibition, where there is a need it WILL be satified. Put DRM on machines... fine. Bring lawsuits on customers... fine. Employ illegal tactics to try to disrupt the services... fine. Do anything beside scratch the itch that is the percieved destroyer of your previously succesful business... fine. When you wake up to reality and things CHANGED, with or without your consent or participation, it really is not anything but your own fault for missing the "window" of time you had to embrace the new market.
This has proven to be both enevitable and incontrivertible. Intellectual property will not be respected at the loss of market. Content will continue to be king, but it's shelf life and control will be a LOT less then what has been enjoyed in the past.
Not to put to fine a point on it... couldn't we, without discusion, had concluded that time travel would have nothing to do with with the outcome of SCO vs. IBM.
I would think of all possible things that would warrent the tremendous effort involved in time travel in both thought and energy, this would rank somewhere between piddly and shit. I would have to say that the Matrix is on more stable philosophical ground then that idea.
The one thing you should have learned about the stock market in 2000 was that reality and and PE have nothing to do with each other. On the other hand conjecture and appearances have quite a lot to do with it.
This review was meant for those with a severe hangover. Short, no confusing screenshots and no coherent new feature list. If te-kill-ya shots were what your last night was about then you would be thankful for this review.
But the point is you will still have access to the source 100 years from now. There is some degree of doubt to if that can be said about any closed source software.
Seems to me that complaining the Slashdot is to anti-M$ centric with Bill Gates as borg on the main page almost daily is really missing that clever subtext that we try so hard to hide.
Well I was going to post me building my own 1 for 1 scale model of mars for testing habitation without actually going there... but obviously it was rediculous and I kept screwing up the tides.
My compulsiveness was to actually verifying that with GCC you could not infact due this. You COULD do it but that would be a project onto itself with very little benefit. though spending some time yesterday looking at Lunix I geuss I was amazed that there DJGPP couldn't do that already. Considering it is made for DOS makes me wonder why it isn't 16bit, since the OS is at heart that way.
Having just checked out DJGPP's site.. and since I have already followed this rathole to the bottom, It appears that this is indeed the case as it REQUIRES at least 32bits to compile 32bits. It appears that you cannot compile from a 16bit platform targeting a 32bit one. Sorry for doing this frightening display of utter compulsiveness in public.
Eighty lines of code isn't even a proper echo application. Hell, I imagine I wrote could back in 3rd grade that would match SCO's code enough.
Me: see here they print a responce to an argument. Laura: You know that guys got a point. Darl: That your an idiot... that's true but your the only one who would their IP away for what we pulled from the sunday comics.
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Better yet, form a standards body or *Gasp* build it yourself and see if people come. The problem is if you build it you would realize why it is the way it is in the first place. Don't be so unrealistic as to think that people who do this for no renumeration give two squirts what you think when you have no desire to do anything about it. WHO cares what the uninvolved think of your hobby.
There are tons of examples out there for EVERY command on the CLI. If waisting the time of others is the only way you can get at information then you are a case study for GUI implementations.
Their are already tons of responces in news groups finely documented on google groups. there are documentation repositories with the newbies in mind. There are FAQS. If "check out the man pages for fstab" is an adequate responce for you then google groups is your oasis. If not go to gentoo forums. If the whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth than don't do it. Licoris, knoppix or zandros will probably suit your needs and there is no need to hit the CLI anyway. Complaining that people who aren't to lazy to check the plethora of resources before annoying a technical base with an offtopic question is much worse than replying with the same disregard of respect for your situation.
The only difference between this and windows is the complete lack of documentation on these subjects and you have to PAY for MS time. I in kind do not require or want renumeration for my support, but I do require your effort to mitigate your needs.
In the begining their was Hardware. It was treated openly and all was good. But with all edens, it didn't last. People figured out that they could make money of 'Software'. Money from software begat closed source. And soon we had the Tower of babel. Then the priests of the tower agreed on a common langauge which begat *nix. Unix was good. Yay were the ones who conformed so that learning could be reused.
Some became jealous of common experience and chose to subvert it. Jealousy begat microsoft. Bill Gates spoke to his people and we can make this easier but you must forget that there are others like you but not you.
So Gnu and came to destroy the evil kingdoms of pseudo standards. "We will give you the code as long as you give onto others", they said. Gnu begat standards based tools that conformed to the venerable POSIX standard and the people rejoiced.
So it was, until the era of Internet. Many came to see and use the work that so many others had formed from years of review. "Why doesn't this tool do as I asked?", said the children of the internet. "Have you RTFM?" replied those of *nix. This would not do in the eyes of the digital so soon the children of the internet came together and studied the books of the POSIX and decided what to keep and what to remake anew.
Look, there is more documentation covering every little aspect of GNU/linux and unix in general that answering time consuming explanative request on "How does this work." is more than a little insulting. The barrier to entry isn't lack of material it is your personal text munging skills and time devoted to study. There are terrific sites devoted to material of this nature that quick OD or google searches could produce.
The fact that people are annoyed that I am explaining that documentation is readily available and just requires THIER effort is THIER problem. This is not a members only club, but it does require self-reliance. This is a guiding light in the *nix/Free community. If it seems brash and arrogant then so be it. We have provide everyone the resources to solve their own problem so we are quick to point out that you should use them to save us all effort in the long run.
I don't think I have ever seen someone suggest using windows as an alternative to a *nix like environment. They don't even exist in the same problem domain. They do not target the same market and that is why WINDOWS is not taken seriously by people in the know. Hell, use Apple if you like paying for stuff that is barely supported and maintained (read proprietary). At least they try to do 'The Right Thing'.
I've been using the java client... it's almost as good as the win32 client. Although an evolution plug-in would be better.
One things a true geek does well is the least amount of effort for the maximum benefit. Now I COULD ask their permission which involves email, typing, public key swapping, consultation of a IP lawyer, a few RFC's and a new XML DTD to ensure proper implementation of your idea... or I could cut and paste the article and expend no further thought on my already taxed brain.
While your idea may have ethical merit, that too takes precious time and energy for a proper cost/benefit analysis and a few philosphy prof's interest to discuss it's cultural implications.
Having said this I completely disagree with the moral argument, but completely understand that their are legal implications which are currently enacted.
transparent proxies.
I think it is also time to test fraudulent claims. I think this could be considered advertising and the claim that sysv contained SMP which as I understand it is strictly NOT true. Claiming that their IP covers that and the can sell you those capabilities is false advertising. From here on out I am going to ignore these articles as the just serve to get the blood all angried up.
Anyone else think Wired authors get paid by the word, with no maximum?
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Many, Many times....
and the right person would read my sig.
Thank god I turned those off months ago...
I would say that your vendor of the distro is the one you need to bark at... or the ever popular "the source code is there so just fix it yourself!"
Using the former strategy, tell the vendor your needs and state that you will find a newer one if they don't commence to commiting resources to fixing it. For this strategy to work you must be capable of implementing the consequences, otherwise pissing of your only vendor is idiotic.
The latter method is gruelling, time-intensive and worst of all may not be applicable to any future endeavor (about the most annoying aspect of existence IMNSHO is pointless drudgery). But this is the only reasonable way to expedite the fix if you don't have a support contract for your OS.
GL
It took me about 8 years to dump microsoft from full usage. I used windows for games and my job. Lukily when I came back to my current job my boss said "I am surprised you didn't put linux on that..." I did and after six months of waffling, I only use linux. I can actually do things outside of a gui. I guess you could have in winblows but why? After getting used to not unix I don't know how I ever used windows in the first place.
As is microsft java implementation. But they've had the foresight to break compatibility for the developers. Without that added "MS" touch, it would be just like everyone elses. That isn't what the IT industry wants now is it.
It really is something that is beyond the RIAA and MPAA. The do not represent the Artist, the customer or the content... They only represent the missed oppertunity. I think this is oddly enough the only real saviour for them (not the commercial music or film industry mind you, just the current distribution market.) Sign the deal with the devil because technology is a bitch goddess... She may have given birth to your industry but she only likes her new creations.
Kazaa represents not piracy but a new market. The force that you see causing havoc is due to the market not being satisfied. Just like prohibition, where there is a need it WILL be satified. Put DRM on machines... fine. Bring lawsuits on customers... fine. Employ illegal tactics to try to disrupt the services... fine. Do anything beside scratch the itch that is the percieved destroyer of your previously succesful business... fine. When you wake up to reality and things CHANGED, with or without your consent or participation, it really is not anything but your own fault for missing the "window" of time you had to embrace the new market.
This has proven to be both enevitable and incontrivertible. Intellectual property will not be respected at the loss of market. Content will continue to be king, but it's shelf life and control will be a LOT less then what has been enjoyed in the past.
Not to put to fine a point on it... couldn't we, without discusion, had concluded that time travel would have nothing to do with with the outcome of SCO vs. IBM.
I would think of all possible things that would warrent the tremendous effort involved in time travel in both thought and energy, this would rank somewhere between piddly and shit. I would have to say that the Matrix is on more stable philosophical ground then that idea.
The one thing you should have learned about the stock market in 2000 was that reality and and PE have nothing to do with each other. On the other hand conjecture and appearances have quite a lot to do with it.
This review was meant for those with a severe hangover. Short, no confusing screenshots and no coherent new feature list. If te-kill-ya shots were what your last night was about then you would be thankful for this review.
But the point is you will still have access to the source 100 years from now. There is some degree of doubt to if that can be said about any closed source software.
Seems to me that complaining the Slashdot is to anti-M$ centric with Bill Gates as borg on the main page almost daily is really missing that clever subtext that we try so hard to hide.
The problem with talking about "Best Tools" and software is it doesn't translate to the real world.
If I sold you a shovel that broke and I wouldn't fix it... you can buy another shovel from anyone making shovels.
If I sold you a office suite with binary save formats your information is now mine... so you would have to buy it from me again.
The shovel was simply digging a hole that can continue to be dug by any tool.
Well I was going to post me building my own 1 for 1 scale model of mars for testing habitation without actually going there... but obviously it was rediculous and I kept screwing up the tides.
My compulsiveness was to actually verifying that with GCC you could not infact due this. You COULD do it but that would be a project onto itself with very little benefit. though spending some time yesterday looking at Lunix I geuss I was amazed that there DJGPP couldn't do that already. Considering it is made for DOS makes me wonder why it isn't 16bit, since the OS is at heart that way.
Having just checked out DJGPP's site.. and since I have already followed this rathole to the bottom, It appears that this is indeed the case as it REQUIRES at least 32bits to compile 32bits. It appears that you cannot compile from a 16bit platform targeting a 32bit one. Sorry for doing this frightening display of utter compulsiveness in public.
Eighty lines of code isn't even a proper echo application. Hell, I imagine I wrote could back in 3rd grade that would match SCO's code enough.
Me: see here they print a responce to an argument.
Laura: You know that guys got a point.
Darl: That your an idiot... that's true but your the only one who would their IP away for what we pulled from the sunday comics.
This was interesting weeks ago... now it is just redundent.