Agreed, 500 plus is easily enough to do some
trouble. But then, 500 is nothing compared to
the networks you can manage with +1 generation tools. They are however not ready to use and are mostly custom made (hence kiddis won't get thier greedy fingers on them), so, probably the real threat will be hidden behinde the lines. You will never know ! So, please, get back to work and FIX this very very very old bugs, its just not worth so many attation !
If you were not just typing, I may add, that IPv6
is all about more security, and stablity in IP.
The poor thing is, as we eventualy move on with IPv6, all those people who fear the Net, because it was designed without security considerations, may jam the Net even worse than they do now, if Ipv6 gets in place:(
Hmm, why get a hard copy of this 6TB DB, just do
a query over the net ech time a customer logs in... *argl*
I would suggest a plain man-in-the-middle "attack"
finde someone in Moskow, talk him in to accept you
package, and send it further by the national postal service. I really think its just a insurance problem.
I just checked the german postal service,
and they seem to accept packages up to ~500 USD
value and max 10kg... so you may optionaly find a.de guy to re-mail you stuff
I feel much the same about the "thing" they did.
First of all many networks use proxies, second, external DNS queries could be blocked, filtered or even cleand. And third, most IDS tools could be configured to be triggerd in the event such non-dns content is found in a packet from x -> 53.
This really is not suggested to anybody who likes his job.
It's funny, and a real nice DNS trick, but I don't see the issue here.
They are not only good at marketing, they do have some cool guys doing some cool work. Why won't nobody admit it ? Since there is Windows you won't have that stupid guy next door ringing you about how to type a letter ! I do vote for a 3 class world:
user - windows
wana be geek - linux user
stone age geek - all those who think linux is just too easy
There might be a real economic interest in comparing two systems on a specific task, and those tasks are different on different platform/distro/OS combinations. Obviously Linux nowadays is not equal to Linux, since those distros are ways too different, but knowing, that Red Hat does not do the job is greate! Now we can test SuSE, Debian etc. and later we may find that Free/Open/Net-BSD's are nice too. Well I think we should start benchmarking big time. Because MS is strong and good, since most buissines aplicationes run on Win9* its just fair that Win2000 does fine (And quite logicaly to me). But most DB's, routers DNS Systems do better jobs on certain Unix (or alike) systems. If we can proof such advantages with some numbers for the suits, we might just sell our idea just that much better...
Actualy I study in CH and have overheard this buzz on CeBit about the IT problem. I think it's fake, what they want are cheap workers, I really cannot believe you have people coming to you who don't know what port numbers are... this just sounds like a bad joke to me!
ludicrously difficult to find anyone on the market with even the most basic appreciation Is that so ? This must be a UK problem then. I know about FR, DE and CH. And I see loads of IT folks around me, I wounder, if more people would study CS if I could get a job.:) Well, there are a lot of job offerings on all those funny webpages, but, those are not for real! See, on one job are up to 7 headhunters thats why our telephone/mailing-list is jammed:-/
You might try a EU wide search and you will find your people.
btw. "real techies" most probably will get a job in the US as well, won't they?
Well, I just started studing CS, and am looking back on 5+ years UNIX. Now, I personaly haven't aplied for any job (thought many offers are coming in daily) yet. Big Q: "How the hack am I supposed to find out if I qualify for Job X?". Most requierment list are filled with basics's and insight's. Is basic writing a HelloWorld, or ist basic doing DB access ? You talk about geeks and PhD's. OK do I qualify for a job if I configure an IDS for my subnet, or do I have to prove that I can set up a full blown multi-server web cache system ? I certainly f e e l underqualified (tought I probably am...), but if I read post like "We need qualified IT people" I just feel worse. Fact is, nobody tells you what you need to know, you just walk into an office and since you are desperate to get some expirience, you just say "Yes I can!". Most headhunters don't have a clue what the jobs they offer require, thats why I won't meet with them:o) I just ment to draw a little attention to the problems on the other side... -- wildcarts are sooo0 convinient "bash# rm -dR / *"
Dig up any copper..., and sell it in the black market Well, I happend to live in Mexico, and the real problem were people diggin up fiber optics equipment because it reaches a higher price on the black market than copper. I think people tend to steal things which are expensive, copper is just not valuable enough. That was/is the reason why most communications systems in development countries use micro-waves
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Agreed, 500 plus is easily enough to do some trouble. But then, 500 is nothing compared to the networks you can manage with +1 generation tools. They are however not ready to use and are mostly custom made (hence kiddis won't get thier greedy fingers on them), so, probably the real threat will be hidden behinde the lines. You will never know ! So, please, get back to work and FIX this very very very old bugs, its just not worth so many attation !
If you were not just typing, I may add, that IPv6 is all about more security, and stablity in IP. The poor thing is, as we eventualy move on with IPv6, all those people who fear the Net, because it was designed without security considerations, may jam the Net even worse than they do now, if Ipv6 gets in place :(
Hmm, why get a hard copy of this 6TB DB, just do a query over the net ech time a customer logs in... *argl*
I would suggest a plain man-in-the-middle "attack" finde someone in Moskow, talk him in to accept you package, and send it further by the national postal service. I really think its just a insurance problem.
.de guy to re-mail you stuff
I just checked the german postal service, and they seem to accept packages up to ~500 USD value and max 10kg... so you may optionaly find a
I feel much the same about the "thing" they did. First of all many networks use proxies, second, external DNS queries could be blocked, filtered or even cleand. And third, most IDS tools could be configured to be triggerd in the event such non-dns content is found in a packet from x -> 53.
This really is not suggested to anybody who likes his job.
It's funny, and a real nice DNS trick, but I don't see the issue here.
user - windows
wana be geek - linux user
stone age geek - all those who think linux is just too easy
There might be a real economic interest in comparing two systems on a specific task, and those tasks are different on different platform/distro/OS combinations. Obviously Linux nowadays is not equal to Linux, since those distros are ways too different, but knowing, that Red Hat does not do the job is greate! Now we can test SuSE, Debian etc. and later we may find that Free/Open/Net-BSD's are nice too. Well I think we should start benchmarking big time. Because MS is strong and good, since most buissines aplicationes run on Win9* its just fair that Win2000 does fine (And quite logicaly to me). But most DB's, routers DNS Systems do better jobs on certain Unix (or alike) systems. If we can proof such advantages with some numbers for the suits, we might just sell our idea just that much better...
Actualy I study in CH and have overheard this buzz on CeBit about the IT problem. I think it's fake, what they want are cheap workers, I really cannot believe you have people coming to you who don't know what port numbers are ... this just sounds like a bad joke to me!
:) Well, there are a lot of job offerings on all those funny webpages, but, those are not for real! See, on one job are up to 7 headhunters thats why our telephone/mailing-list is jammed :-/
ludicrously difficult to find anyone on the market with even the most basic appreciation
Is that so ? This must be a UK problem then. I know about FR, DE and CH. And I see loads of IT folks around me, I wounder, if more people would study CS if I could get a job.
You might try a EU wide search and you will find your people.
btw. "real techies" most probably will get a job in the US as well, won't they?
Well, I just started studing CS, and am looking back on 5+ years UNIX. Now, I personaly haven't aplied for any job (thought many offers are coming in daily) yet. Big Q: "How the hack am I supposed to find out if I qualify for Job X?". Most requierment list are filled with basics's and insight's. Is basic writing a HelloWorld, or ist basic doing DB access ? ...), but if I read post like "We need qualified IT people" I just feel worse. :o) ... -- wildcarts are sooo0 convinient "bash# rm -dR / *"
You talk about geeks and PhD's. OK do I qualify for a job if I configure an IDS for my subnet, or do I have to prove that I can set up a full blown multi-server web cache system ? I certainly f e e l underqualified (tought I probably am
Fact is, nobody tells you what you need to know, you just walk into an office and since you are desperate to get some expirience, you just say "Yes I can!".
Most headhunters don't have a clue what the jobs they offer require, thats why I won't meet with them
I just ment to draw a little attention to the problems on the other side
Dig up any copper ..., and sell it in the black market Well, I happend to live in Mexico, and the real problem were people diggin up fiber optics equipment because it reaches a higher price on the black market than copper. I think people tend to steal things which are expensive, copper is just not valuable enough. That was/is the reason why most communications systems in development countries use micro-waves