Well, are we only referring to browsers of the top 5 variety? What of Lynx, what of custom or inhouse rendering engines in poorly thought out attempts to replace the popular with a corporately sanctioned browser (it's possible, but no - I have no evidence of any others).
I think it's important that we focus on keeping ALL vendors in check, not just Microsoft and their particular product IE....
That's why I mentioned the HTML DOM. Is that what you meant by "hosting container"?
Yes but it seemed you were implying that the javascript engine would be solely responsible, even after you mentioned the DOM. Control versus content, ya?
Provided that the DOM exposes a rich enough API to let the script coordinate their playback. The last time I read HTML5's definition of the <audio> element, I couldn't find DOM elements that looked essential for use in JavaScript games. But it appears that "currentTime", "playbackRate", and "volume" appear to have been added since then.
Yeah, that's the problem with evolving standards. Frankly I'm surprised at many of our modern computing standards, that the guys who designed them were able to look ahead sometimes 10 years and foresee difficulties that weren't obvious at the time. Imagine if the Romans had envisioned cheap and efficient gasoline engines and had built their empire for it, or even just the use of electricity for something like a telegraph (which I firmly believe they had the inkling of).
So do you think at the time of the ratification of HTML5 that it won't be possible to make a "Flash" player out of javascript?
well, it's my thought pattern that if ECMAScript allows for multiple animations on a page at one time, that surely it could handle playing back multiple audio streams at one time. It seems as though I recall that the primary problem with playing back multiple audio streams is not a ECMAScript problem, as much as an OS or hosting container problem. But I can't think of any system that won't allow that nowadays, I think I'm remembering something from way in the past...
But the question was "playing multiple at one time or in a coordinated fashion"... ECMAScript runs faster than we can detect a single cycle, and it can spawn multiple threads, so I should think playing multiple audio or coordinating their playback should be easily possible with ECMAScript. Granted, that's not my field, and I don't write anything using so... idk.
I think instead of saying "when IE+ are gone, then we can " you should say "when corporate designed proprietary browsers with no regard for open and established standards" because that ain't the only browser stinking up the works.
But I know what you mean.
As for the obfuscated code, I doubt we'll ever get away from that. Preventing reverse engineering is a pipedream, and middle management will never understand that.
As for proper IDEs, hrm, I think that most of us F/OSS guys suck at IDE design for graphical components, so it'll likely remain up to corps to produce the good IDEs. Maybe it's just me?
As an expert in ignoring things, I can vouch that it's easy to ignore things which you don't see. So my advice is to stop using the web and go outside more. That way you can ignore online advertisers, email and more! As for ignoring other people when you go outside, carry a bloody shovel over your shoulder and splash a little fresh blood on your clothes. Most people will go the other way.
Perhaps you wanted someone who was an expert in HTML5? I don't know those people, everyone seems to run away when they see my shovel...
I've found that I can inject just about anything I want into the browser that I run on my machine, isn't this the point of a bookmarklet? For that matter isn't that how most browser add-on's work, including the existing flash player? They extend the page as sent from the server (which by it's nature is either textual or binary, but is in no way inherently feedback oriented).
As for using Flash to create the content... once upon a time only MSWord could read.doc, only Acrobat Reader would read.pdf, and only Windows could run PE.exe's. Funny how things change, eh? http://www.swftools.org/
Well ya know they could leave it alone... I know trinary situations often look like binary situations, but we all too often ignore that a deviation from the status quo is not necessary, and since loose and tighten are both verbs, what have we got to lose?
Not so much to the parent, but to the original asker:
I agree with eldavojohn here, TAKE BOTH.
I've a major in CS and a full minor in Applied Mathematics. I wish I had gone for dual-major, but I've always liked tinkering so did a double-minor (Appl Math and Electrical Engineering).
My point is, the math has been more important, if for no other reason than for understanding the myriad ways that complex problems devolve into simple ones (think how the profs ask you to solve a problem using a particular method even tho another method would be faster/simpler).
Understanding the fundamentals of problems (like for instance the relationship between velocity speed and acceleration) helps in other areas (and may have you kicking yourself why you didn't take higher order maths before physics).
So, for real-world application: My first "real job" post Uni, one of the first in-person questions they asked about my schooling was if I had a math-centric degree program. While the problems haven't been math-centric so far, the ability to approach a problem and to know why a particular solution has been helpful, especially as I watch coworkers write voodoo code that I have to detangle for them.
Now, in relation to the parent's post: Having a good teacher that can show you that it really is interesting, fun and neat, that's what's most important to LEARNING math.
Last point of advice before I quit sharing my $0.05: If one of the prof's is known for "two exam" classes, don't take that class. Or at least, that's my experience. Those prof's always seemed to be out to screw students, and usually didn't care. My bad luck? Maybe.
I second Zolved, and I haven't found any issues with it, except slow inter-tubes... but I believe that'll be a problem for anyone. Even to the point of working where other free options won't (Windows Live Messenger usually works pretty well also, since they'll have it installed pretty much all the time too.)
Troll != lame attempt at humor. Someone please inform the mods...
Doh! I must be new here...
But if anyone besides my PP is reading this later, and can still comment, please tell me how it's an outright troll (of course the PP could answer as well).
Seriously? You think Google (who invented their own filesystem format, who are reportedly the third largest computer manufacturer in the world) outsourced their data storage to someone else?
You're confusing cause and effect. Presumably your organization is running on Windows Small Business Server (IT people shudder when they hear that name for a reason) and so when Exchange goes down, it does cause problems for SBS, and vice versa.
However, if you take Exchange out of the equation, or if you give it nothing to do, then all your domain problems go away. Now instead of having 4 hours of downtime you get about 1 hour every three years. (that's been about my experience overall with Gmail, of course YMMV).
With SBS, if Exchange has a problem, everyone has a problem. With SBS, if Exchange is neutered, you have a LOT less problems.
I am pretty sure that TRWTF in that situation is your admins. A properly setup and administered AD doesn't have the problem you're talking about with logging in every time, but a misconfigured network does.
You obviously had the power supply fire moments after booting the server, and haven't replaced the power supply yet. That's probably the best idea. Sacrifice a virgin Exchange server to the server room, and leave it's charred ashes as a measure of penitence.
I applaud you and your willingness to set an example. You sir win +1 Internets.
-- I'll try again.
Yeah, you're supposed to hook up the network cables too. (similarly bad version: How do you know if an Exchange server is going to cause problems? It's connected to the internet.)
--I'll try again.
Your email server has a GUI? GAHHHH, the googles, they do nothing!
--I'll not try again. Those were all lousy.
Full disclosure: I actually babysit an Exchange server as part of a SBS 2k3 domain. In 30 days I won't be (there). I don't know if I plan to char the carcass of that beast when I do leave tho, so let's see what the 30th has in store, shall we?
Crap, I guess I gotta start emailing people now and telling them about the transition, huh? Stupid server...
"right place" is a matter of perspective, as always. We speak with a drawl, so we make our words reflect the drawl. I've seen it done both ways all my life, and I'm not going to give up on my preferred version based on pronunciation. It's not like we spell any other words correctly.;)
However, I agree with you in the rest of the post, especially in regards to second person plural.
We'll just have to disagree on where the apostrophe goes in ya'll. At least we're not saying [yuze].
Way OT - Did you see the recent article about people not wanting to upgrade because of the awesome bar? IE8 does the same thing. But the private browsing feature of each is NICE.;)
Ya'll does force a drawl, but that's if you don't already have a drawl. I tend to have a long drawl, but I talk really quickly, so I have to stop and make myself speak correctly when I address a large group. Even locals tend to lose me if they're not around me on a regular basis. So I smack my hand and move on.
I think the best option is for everyone to: Learn to speak English with a drawl Drink more lemonade and tea Set on the front porch in the evenings after supper
This goes doubly for the ones who wanna start trouble;)
Yeah, I've run into other cultures having language constructs that English doesn't quite a bit; that may be why I don't mind making contractions when I know that the grammar should allow it. Never mind that the Grammar Nazi tend to jump all over me.:p
English does seem to have a few LARGE holes, doesn't it? At least languages evolve. Eventually. If this were the only place English was lacking it would be nice, but the language really could use a Version 2.0.
--
The "woman" part of the lessons appears to be classic. Out of curiosity, where were you taking those Latin classes? [HS|Uni:Name of Uni]
TL;DR - Southern boy using colloquialism, move along
Hahahaha, I'm from Houston, but grew up even further in the south (think mid Georgia/mid Alabama). Yeah, it's a little tricky, but it'll build character, no?
For the rest of the world, who don't quite grok our quaint pronunciation here in the good ole South, the word ya'll is pronounced like [yawl] similar to [yawn]. It should also be interesting to note that I have used one of the two forms of the conjunction, and I'm often told I use it wrong, but it's a little closer to how we pronounce it. The other spelling is y'all, but that would be pronounced like [ya-awl] and that's just a little to hick-ish even for me.
So if you can get to [yawl] then just tack an extra [ull] on the end and you'll have ya'll'll. You might notice that I tend to conjoin a lot of words, but that's just the spoken style where I've grown up, and as literary style derives from spoken style, well, yeah.
So, ya'll'll have to get a kick out of reading this, and just shake yer heads and mumble something about "that poor southern boy" and if you'd be so kind, drop a dollar in me alms cup as you pass by.
Ok, I've tried now to enlighten the world to some Southern-isms, and I tried to do at least part of it in properly written English, so we'll see. Also, I know it's WAY OT, so hit me with the mod, let's get this over with.
PS, it just means "you all will"
TL;DR - Southern boy using colloquialism, move along
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Well, are we only referring to browsers of the top 5 variety? What of Lynx, what of custom or inhouse rendering engines in poorly thought out attempts to replace the popular with a corporately sanctioned browser (it's possible, but no - I have no evidence of any others).
I think it's important that we focus on keeping ALL vendors in check, not just Microsoft and their particular product IE....
That's why I mentioned the HTML DOM. Is that what you meant by "hosting container"?
Yes but it seemed you were implying that the javascript engine would be solely responsible, even after you mentioned the DOM. Control versus content, ya?
Provided that the DOM exposes a rich enough API to let the script coordinate their playback. The last time I read HTML5's definition of the <audio> element, I couldn't find DOM elements that looked essential for use in JavaScript games. But it appears that "currentTime", "playbackRate", and "volume" appear to have been added since then.
Yeah, that's the problem with evolving standards. Frankly I'm surprised at many of our modern computing standards, that the guys who designed them were able to look ahead sometimes 10 years and foresee difficulties that weren't obvious at the time. Imagine if the Romans had envisioned cheap and efficient gasoline engines and had built their empire for it, or even just the use of electricity for something like a telegraph (which I firmly believe they had the inkling of).
So do you think at the time of the ratification of HTML5 that it won't be possible to make a "Flash" player out of javascript?
well, it's my thought pattern that if ECMAScript allows for multiple animations on a page at one time, that surely it could handle playing back multiple audio streams at one time. It seems as though I recall that the primary problem with playing back multiple audio streams is not a ECMAScript problem, as much as an OS or hosting container problem. But I can't think of any system that won't allow that nowadays, I think I'm remembering something from way in the past...
But the question was "playing multiple at one time or in a coordinated fashion" ... ECMAScript runs faster than we can detect a single cycle, and it can spawn multiple threads, so I should think playing multiple audio or coordinating their playback should be easily possible with ECMAScript. Granted, that's not my field, and I don't write anything using so ... idk.
I think instead of saying "when IE+ are gone, then we can " you should say "when corporate designed proprietary browsers with no regard for open and established standards" because that ain't the only browser stinking up the works.
But I know what you mean.
As for the obfuscated code, I doubt we'll ever get away from that. Preventing reverse engineering is a pipedream, and middle management will never understand that.
As for proper IDEs, hrm, I think that most of us F/OSS guys suck at IDE design for graphical components, so it'll likely remain up to corps to produce the good IDEs. Maybe it's just me?
As an expert in ignoring things, I can vouch that it's easy to ignore things which you don't see. So my advice is to stop using the web and go outside more. That way you can ignore online advertisers, email and more! As for ignoring other people when you go outside, carry a bloody shovel over your shoulder and splash a little fresh blood on your clothes. Most people will go the other way.
Perhaps you wanted someone who was an expert in HTML5? I don't know those people, everyone seems to run away when they see my shovel...
You must not be using Firefox... let me help you with that: http://getfirefox.com/
I've found that I can inject just about anything I want into the browser that I run on my machine, isn't this the point of a bookmarklet? For that matter isn't that how most browser add-on's work, including the existing flash player? They extend the page as sent from the server (which by it's nature is either textual or binary, but is in no way inherently feedback oriented).
As for using Flash to create the content... once upon a time only MSWord could read .doc, only Acrobat Reader would read .pdf, and only Windows could run PE .exe's. Funny how things change, eh? http://www.swftools.org/
ECMAScript and open graphics standards?
Or is that what Flash was originally slated to be?
Well ya know they could leave it alone... I know trinary situations often look like binary situations, but we all too often ignore that a deviation from the status quo is not necessary, and since loose and tighten are both verbs, what have we got to lose?
Not so much to the parent, but to the original asker:
I agree with eldavojohn here, TAKE BOTH.
I've a major in CS and a full minor in Applied Mathematics. I wish I had gone for dual-major, but I've always liked tinkering so did a double-minor (Appl Math and Electrical Engineering).
My point is, the math has been more important, if for no other reason than for understanding the myriad ways that complex problems devolve into simple ones (think how the profs ask you to solve a problem using a particular method even tho another method would be faster/simpler).
Understanding the fundamentals of problems (like for instance the relationship between velocity speed and acceleration) helps in other areas (and may have you kicking yourself why you didn't take higher order maths before physics).
So, for real-world application:
My first "real job" post Uni, one of the first in-person questions they asked about my schooling was if I had a math-centric degree program. While the problems haven't been math-centric so far, the ability to approach a problem and to know why a particular solution has been helpful, especially as I watch coworkers write voodoo code that I have to detangle for them.
Now, in relation to the parent's post: Having a good teacher that can show you that it really is interesting, fun and neat, that's what's most important to LEARNING math.
Last point of advice before I quit sharing my $0.05:
If one of the prof's is known for "two exam" classes, don't take that class. Or at least, that's my experience. Those prof's always seemed to be out to screw students, and usually didn't care. My bad luck? Maybe.
I second Zolved, and I haven't found any issues with it, except slow inter-tubes... but I believe that'll be a problem for anyone. Even to the point of working where other free options won't (Windows Live Messenger usually works pretty well also, since they'll have it installed pretty much all the time too.)
Troll != lame attempt at humor. Someone please inform the mods...
Doh! I must be new here...
But if anyone besides my PP is reading this later, and can still comment, please tell me how it's an outright troll (of course the PP could answer as well).
Haha! I'll take it.
You should, if it continues after this. Because if you don't, how will they know it's broken? Guessing?
I may make jokes with my friends about google being omniscient, but really...
Full Disclosure: I wouldn't toss my hand up right away for a free service either...
Seriously? You think Google (who invented their own filesystem format, who are reportedly the third largest computer manufacturer in the world) outsourced their data storage to someone else?
Are we thinking of the same company?
You're confusing cause and effect. Presumably your organization is running on Windows Small Business Server (IT people shudder when they hear that name for a reason) and so when Exchange goes down, it does cause problems for SBS, and vice versa.
However, if you take Exchange out of the equation, or if you give it nothing to do, then all your domain problems go away. Now instead of having 4 hours of downtime you get about 1 hour every three years. (that's been about my experience overall with Gmail, of course YMMV).
With SBS, if Exchange has a problem, everyone has a problem. With SBS, if Exchange is neutered, you have a LOT less problems.
I am pretty sure that TRWTF in that situation is your admins. A properly setup and administered AD doesn't have the problem you're talking about with logging in every time, but a misconfigured network does.
What the hell did your IT group do wrong? I have never had Outlook take 30 seconds to show me an email in my life. I've used Outlook since 1997.
Granted, if you haven't started it yet, that could take about a minute depending on hard drive speed and RAM.
Sounds like you have a whole other problem. I bet your workstation has Norton installed, doesn't it?
You obviously had the power supply fire moments after booting the server, and haven't replaced the power supply yet. That's probably the best idea. Sacrifice a virgin Exchange server to the server room, and leave it's charred ashes as a measure of penitence.
I applaud you and your willingness to set an example. You sir win +1 Internets.
-- I'll try again.
Yeah, you're supposed to hook up the network cables too. (similarly bad version: How do you know if an Exchange server is going to cause problems? It's connected to the internet.)
--I'll try again.
Your email server has a GUI? GAHHHH, the googles, they do nothing!
--I'll not try again. Those were all lousy.
Full disclosure: I actually babysit an Exchange server as part of a SBS 2k3 domain. In 30 days I won't be (there). I don't know if I plan to char the carcass of that beast when I do leave tho, so let's see what the 30th has in store, shall we?
Crap, I guess I gotta start emailing people now and telling them about the transition, huh? Stupid server...
"right place" is a matter of perspective, as always. We speak with a drawl, so we make our words reflect the drawl. I've seen it done both ways all my life, and I'm not going to give up on my preferred version based on pronunciation. It's not like we spell any other words correctly. ;)
However, I agree with you in the rest of the post, especially in regards to second person plural.
We'll just have to disagree on where the apostrophe goes in ya'll. At least we're not saying [yuze].
HAHAHAHAH, I lol'd.
Thank you.
Way OT - Did you see the recent article about people not wanting to upgrade because of the awesome bar? IE8 does the same thing. But the private browsing feature of each is NICE. ;)
Ya'll does force a drawl, but that's if you don't already have a drawl. I tend to have a long drawl, but I talk really quickly, so I have to stop and make myself speak correctly when I address a large group. Even locals tend to lose me if they're not around me on a regular basis. So I smack my hand and move on.
I think the best option is for everyone to:
Learn to speak English with a drawl
Drink more lemonade and tea
Set on the front porch in the evenings after supper
This goes doubly for the ones who wanna start trouble ;)
Actually, "plannin' on doin'" is perfectly acceptable round these parts, or alternately it should be
"fixin' to do"
To the PP, I see you've lived round here too...
Yeah, I've run into other cultures having language constructs that English doesn't quite a bit; that may be why I don't mind making contractions when I know that the grammar should allow it. Never mind that the Grammar Nazi tend to jump all over me. :p
English does seem to have a few LARGE holes, doesn't it? At least languages evolve. Eventually. If this were the only place English was lacking it would be nice, but the language really could use a Version 2.0.
--
The "woman" part of the lessons appears to be classic. Out of curiosity, where were you taking those Latin classes? [HS|Uni:Name of Uni]
As you so quoted me, but seem to have trouble with reading comprehension: ... other than here in the South ..."
"For the rest of the world
I don't expect the rest of the world to use the word, hence the wall-o-text explanation. HTH. YMMV. GTFO.
TL;DR - Southern boy using colloquialism, move along
Hahahaha, I'm from Houston, but grew up even further in the south (think mid Georgia/mid Alabama). Yeah, it's a little tricky, but it'll build character, no?
For the rest of the world, who don't quite grok our quaint pronunciation here in the good ole South, the word ya'll is pronounced like [yawl] similar to [yawn]. It should also be interesting to note that I have used one of the two forms of the conjunction, and I'm often told I use it wrong, but it's a little closer to how we pronounce it. The other spelling is y'all, but that would be pronounced like [ya-awl] and that's just a little to hick-ish even for me.
So if you can get to [yawl] then just tack an extra [ull] on the end and you'll have ya'll'll. You might notice that I tend to conjoin a lot of words, but that's just the spoken style where I've grown up, and as literary style derives from spoken style, well, yeah.
So, ya'll'll have to get a kick out of reading this, and just shake yer heads and mumble something about "that poor southern boy" and if you'd be so kind, drop a dollar in me alms cup as you pass by.
Ok, I've tried now to enlighten the world to some Southern-isms, and I tried to do at least part of it in properly written English, so we'll see. Also, I know it's WAY OT, so hit me with the mod, let's get this over with.
PS, it just means "you all will"
TL;DR - Southern boy using colloquialism, move along