Well, yeah, I failed to point out the different OS platforms Konq will run on. I've been a FreeBSD user, it's ! Linux, in some ways, it's > Linux, but I'm curious as to why you're flaming me a bit.:-) The only issue I have with Konq is the braindead Netscape Flash plugin, though you've probably not had to deal with that as that'd be a pain (iirc there's no FreeBSD plugin, just Flash through Linux emulation on Linux Communicator?)
Feh, no thanks. I'm running Konqueror 2.1.1 right now. It sounds like you're comparing a beta Microsoft browser to the current release of Konq. At least have the decency to compare IE6 to the current Konq.:-) I have a K6-300, only 64MB of RAM, and hm, Konq renders quick as lightning, hasn't crashed on me once, and has lots of nifty little features. And yeah, it's integrated into the desktop environment pretty well--better, I think, than Microsoft's IE on Windows. (BTW, unless they've changed things for IE6, IE really isn't part of the OS, despite the noise they made during the antitrust trial.)
Damn, wish I had some moderator points to mod you up with. Either people don't get it, or people who post such things ("you Linux zealots should stop bashing MS so much") are in the employ of Microsoft, or both. MS's marketing dept., yes, does post more pure garbage than the average horde of Linux devotees.:-) (BTW, anyone notice the increase in crap floods after the Miller "Linux is going down" announcement?)
Well, the slashbots seem to be trashing Malda for talking up Konq, since it's not cross-platform...wow, IE runs on a whopping, what, one platform too? Oh, I suppose I'll count the Mac port, even though it sucks ass. Heck, konq has it beat there, as it's already on more than two hardware platforms.
While print, newspaper, radio, billboard, Web, etc. forms of advertising capture the attention of the general public, it's hard to deny that word-of-mouth is a powerful tool for influencing potential customers. Advertising professionals and public-relations professionals will speak glowingly of word-of-mouth if given a chance.
Okay, fess up--a lot of the recent news we've been hearing out of Microsoft is carefully designed to sway public opinion, isn't it? It seems a bit odd that you, charged with competitive strategies, would make such a bold statement as "Linux is going down," then not long afterward another of your co-workers decided to go on a crusade against government projects using the GNU Public License. If that was the intent, the Slashdot-reading public performed admirably. Among non-Linux users, I've noted a definite negative attitude toward Linux and Linux users recently.
Also, would you care to comment on such issues as astroturfing?
Just thought I'd write a line about my experiences with FreeBSD. I recently ran (up until yesterday, actually) FreeBSD. I was up to 4.3-BETA.
My experience with XFree (and I was using 4.0.3) was that it was actually easier to set up under FreeBSD than it was on the various Linux distributions I've used. Apps ran great, everything worked more or less fine.
In the end, though, I wanted cdparanoia without getting involved in a major porting project (it's in the OpenBSD ports tree, but there are some differences between OpenBSD and FreeBSD) and I was tired of waiting for DRI support. Heck, maybe it was there, but I couldn't find it and anyone I asked was too busy being l33t to help (and hell, while I'm at it, there are just some times when telling someone you used to run Linux is a bad idea.)
I wish the FreeBSD crowd all the luck in the world because they've got a potential Linux killer, but they're going to have to step up the development process' speed.
You sure picked a helluva way to do it, too...a license that requires all software linking to GPL code (with a very liberal definition of "linking") be compatible with whatever the hell the GNU steering commitee decides is compatible.
There was a discussion on WINE on kuro5hin this week. For all the number of people posting crap about the supposed superiority of k5 over/., the k5 crowd sure posted a lot of crap about WINE.
The story asked the following question: instead of hounding companies to port, why not help with WINE? The responses were divided between:
1. WINE doesn't work that great right now
2. I think it's bad 'coz there's no incentive then to write native and/or Free apps
Now #2 I can see, but #1? The story was asking why people don't help improve WINE! Duh! One jerk went so far as to say that all WINE was for was to run Windows programs under Linux. Even when the subject of Winelib came up. Um, duh, Winelib is a library to help make porting easy. Heck, Microsoft products usually get ported to other platforms through such software, though usually commercial software...:-)
This sounds like a great solution because Windows doesn't look to be on its deathbed quite yet, and there's this odd backlash against Linux on the desktop. It's starting to look like we'll be stuck with Windows shrinkwrap and Free/Open clones for a while yet...
I love Linux and its stability--don't get me wrong--but the fact that there are so many versions of the same thing drives me nuts.
Yeah, and there's only one word processor, only one web browser, only one sound editor in Windows.
All I have to do is my work and learn one set of commands and programs, and I'm far more productive than staring at a set of man pages that look almost exactly like another set of man pages, but with a whole different, incompatible set of command-line options (and often TWO sets, at that).
FUD
Like I keep hearing, free software is only free if your time is worth nothing.
Folks, is this in the Microsoft Employee Handbook yet?
Well, you could always post a summary to kuro5hin, but of course 5 people would shoot it down for being negative about Open Source companies, two for it being a possible troll, and the rest out of some odd, xenophobic fear, a paranoid need for kuro5hin to be Not Slashdot (which, btw, is held by Sig11 himself.)
Maybe you could post it to kuro5hin.org, but then 10 people would rip it apart for being too short, and if you left that last line on, a couple of people would rip you apart for asking them to do your research for them, maybe a couple of people could rip you apart for seeing your idea as an attempt to tell them what they should want on Linux, one or two could rip you apart for being a mindless Linux cheerleader, some could point out the extra "h" in one of your "the"s, someone could rip it apart for the "voice/fax/modems" bit, and of course one or two people could have possibly seen your comment here, and flame you because kuro5hin is "not Slashdot".
Unfortunately, that conversation was just a buildup to the inane "ESR Is My Bitch" bullshit that is the hallmark of all streetlawyer posts. Hit 'em with some factual, yet annoying flamebaity, stuff, bitch 'n moan about being oppressed by the groupthink, post a story making the person look good, then post total crap. Claim the last post was voted down due to groupthink. Repeat.
Hm. My experience has shown that many Debian users are lost when they can't apt-get install something, as if the Debian Faerie makes.debs or something. And no, that's not a troll or flame; I've really run into many a person that, when confronted with installing something that's not apt-gettable say, "Fuck no; I run Debian so I don't have to compile anything." Lazy, lazy, lazy.
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Well, yeah, I failed to point out the different OS platforms Konq will run on. I've been a FreeBSD user, it's ! Linux, in some ways, it's > Linux, but I'm curious as to why you're flaming me a bit. :-) The only issue I have with Konq is the braindead Netscape Flash plugin, though you've probably not had to deal with that as that'd be a pain (iirc there's no FreeBSD plugin, just Flash through Linux emulation on Linux Communicator?)
Feh, no thanks. I'm running Konqueror 2.1.1 right now. It sounds like you're comparing a beta Microsoft browser to the current release of Konq. At least have the decency to compare IE6 to the current Konq. :-) I have a K6-300, only 64MB of RAM, and hm, Konq renders quick as lightning, hasn't crashed on me once, and has lots of nifty little features. And yeah, it's integrated into the desktop environment pretty well--better, I think, than Microsoft's IE on Windows. (BTW, unless they've changed things for IE6, IE really isn't part of the OS, despite the noise they made during the antitrust trial.)
Damn, wish I had some moderator points to mod you up with. Either people don't get it, or people who post such things ("you Linux zealots should stop bashing MS so much") are in the employ of Microsoft, or both. MS's marketing dept., yes, does post more pure garbage than the average horde of Linux devotees. :-) (BTW, anyone notice the increase in crap floods after the Miller "Linux is going down" announcement?)
Well, the slashbots seem to be trashing Malda for talking up Konq, since it's not cross-platform...wow, IE runs on a whopping, what, one platform too? Oh, I suppose I'll count the Mac port, even though it sucks ass. Heck, konq has it beat there, as it's already on more than two hardware platforms.
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Well, under Linux it was dependent on GTK+. Thanks for playing, though.
/me checks his list of XMMS plugins... Well I'll be damned, there it is.
Heh, I had an HP rep try to claim I'd voided the warranty on my Deskjet by using it with an unsupported OS. Pissed me off real good, that did.
Feh...they're there; they just spam the submissions queue with "geek love" wanking.
Face it, streetlawyer, you're the pot calling the kettle black.
BTW, you might want to try some of the links in the story. They're informative; far more informative, to put it bluntly, than your post.
Okay, fess up--a lot of the recent news we've been hearing out of Microsoft is carefully designed to sway public opinion, isn't it? It seems a bit odd that you, charged with competitive strategies, would make such a bold statement as "Linux is going down," then not long afterward another of your co-workers decided to go on a crusade against government projects using the GNU Public License. If that was the intent, the Slashdot-reading public performed admirably. Among non-Linux users, I've noted a definite negative attitude toward Linux and Linux users recently.
Also, would you care to comment on such issues as astroturfing?
Nautilus may not be supported, but it builds and runs. It's an easier build on FreeBSD-release than it is on, say, Slackware-current.
Hi,
Just thought I'd write a line about my experiences with FreeBSD. I recently ran (up until yesterday, actually) FreeBSD. I was up to 4.3-BETA.
My experience with XFree (and I was using 4.0.3) was that it was actually easier to set up under FreeBSD than it was on the various Linux distributions I've used. Apps ran great, everything worked more or less fine.
In the end, though, I wanted cdparanoia without getting involved in a major porting project (it's in the OpenBSD ports tree, but there are some differences between OpenBSD and FreeBSD) and I was tired of waiting for DRI support. Heck, maybe it was there, but I couldn't find it and anyone I asked was too busy being l33t to help (and hell, while I'm at it, there are just some times when telling someone you used to run Linux is a bad idea.)
I wish the FreeBSD crowd all the luck in the world because they've got a potential Linux killer, but they're going to have to step up the development process' speed.
Forgive me if I fail to share your optimism.
There was a discussion on WINE on kuro5hin this week. For all the number of people posting crap about the supposed superiority of k5 over
The story asked the following question: instead of hounding companies to port, why not help with WINE? The responses were divided between:
1. WINE doesn't work that great right now
2. I think it's bad 'coz there's no incentive then to write native and/or Free apps
Now #2 I can see, but #1? The story was asking why people don't help improve WINE! Duh! One jerk went so far as to say that all WINE was for was to run Windows programs under Linux. Even when the subject of Winelib came up. Um, duh, Winelib is a library to help make porting easy. Heck, Microsoft products usually get ported to other platforms through such software, though usually commercial software...
This sounds like a great solution because Windows doesn't look to be on its deathbed quite yet, and there's this odd backlash against Linux on the desktop. It's starting to look like we'll be stuck with Windows shrinkwrap and Free/Open clones for a while yet...
True, which is why I'm hoping this won't be Linux-centric--I run a freer OS than "GNU/Linux".
In fact, I read about that on Slashdot. Hmm.
It most certainly does not use GNUstep libraries.
Yeah, and there's only one word processor, only one web browser, only one sound editor in Windows.
FUD
Folks, is this in the Microsoft Employee Handbook yet?
Well, you could always post a summary to kuro5hin, but of course 5 people would shoot it down for being negative about Open Source companies, two for it being a possible troll, and the rest out of some odd, xenophobic fear, a paranoid need for kuro5hin to be Not Slashdot (which, btw, is held by Sig11 himself.)
Unfortunately, that conversation was just a buildup to the inane "ESR Is My Bitch" bullshit that is the hallmark of all streetlawyer posts. Hit 'em with some factual, yet annoying flamebaity, stuff, bitch 'n moan about being oppressed by the groupthink, post a story making the person look good, then post total crap. Claim the last post was voted down due to groupthink. Repeat.
I'd suggest a reading of the docs on the site to understand what sort of information is available on a node, and how it gets there.
Hm. My experience has shown that many Debian users are lost when they can't apt-get install something, as if the Debian Faerie makes .debs or something. And no, that's not a troll or flame; I've really run into many a person that, when confronted with installing something that's not apt-gettable say, "Fuck no; I run Debian so I don't have to compile anything." Lazy, lazy, lazy.