This story is apparently based off of observations made in june, when iCloud was first announced, and seems to concern just iMessage not the entirety of iCloud services. iCloud isn't even out yet, it's still in beta (real beta, not "Google beta".) As always without any kind of official confirmation or strong observable evidence this is just a rumor, but that won't stop everyone from reporting it as fact.
Umm... No, these Apple "cultist/fanboy" have existed forever, but only as straw men in the minds of people who seem only capable of seeing things in extremes.
+1, it's just a tired meme beaten to death by people who can't take a joke.
Yeah that, plus the fact that people these days don't seem to get that when we used to talk about "holy wars" and rib each other about using a PC or an Amiga, or Atari, etc. it was all in good fun, a joke. Here's a clue for the people who go around calling others "fanbois" and slinging insults: you don't get it. That goes double for people who refer to apple users as a cult. It's an in-joke ! Nothing worse than people who take a joke seriously.
In contrast to their past history, Apple is not selling at a much higher margin over manufacturing costs (or they have lower costs) vs generic competitors.
This makes it very, very difficult to displace an iPad.
This is brilliantly done by Apple and a real problem for Android tablets: who is making any money ? Google is making a bit of money from the ads in the Google apps and the Android market, meanwhile the hardware vendors because of Apple's sharp margin on the iPad and because they don't control their platform are making nothing. It's a repeat of the PC market with Google playing Microsofts' role, only without the golden decade during the boom years. Amazon seems to be the only one who gets it: cut the tablet down as much as possible to make it cheaper, market to your existing customer base, create your own ecosystem with store etc. and tell Google "so long and thanks for all the fish." They'll be the first ones making serious money of off an Android tablet.
Saying Samsung isn't selling Android tablets doesn't have a positive effect on the popularity of Android devices. I think they are shooting themselves in the foot.
So even if it's the truth (and why would Lenovo libel Samsung?) it should be suppressed so as to not damage the reputation of your favorite platform ?
If that's what happened. What we have so far is an unsubstantiated report from a guy, that hasn't pressed charges, who supposedly had a stolen/lost iPhone prototype of which no trace can be found anywhere and for which no police report was filed. The whole thing sounds fishy.
This was the guy who was denying there was an iPhone a month before it came out. I'm not saying he didn't change his mind but if they did have a proto iPad at the time he sure wouldn't have spilled the beans to Mossberg.
That's only true if you see computers as an end unto themselves rather than as a means to an end. Take a random person off the street, ask them what they use a computer for. What'll they say ? Email, the web, chatting, watching video, listening to music, managing their pictures, playing games, etc. iPads cover a great deal of what regular people use their computer for and do it in an extremely user friendly way, how's that failing as a computer ?
What has changed is the size of the market for a limited function device. It's not just rich guys who have 2 or 3 computers now.
I think Apple is gambling on iPhones/iPads being at least the second computer device people own and eventually their first. Lots of people don't want a computer they want the internet or IM or games. Making the computer invisible as just a means to an end, that's the iPad.
Bingo. The iPad is to tablets as the original Macintosh was to GUI computers. We're only on the second generation tablets, there's really no telling where this will go.
"Apple reported income of $18.5 billion and paid $2.7 billion in income taxes, or about 15 percent. "
With this article "Some U.S. firms paid more to CEOs than taxes: study." :
* eBay whose CEO John Donahoe made $12.4 million, but which reported a $131 million refund on its 2010 current U.S. taxes. * Boeing, which paid CEO Jim McNerney $13.8 million, sent in $13 million in federal income taxes, and spent $20.8 million on lobbying and campaign spending * General Electric where CEO Jeff Immelt earned $15.2 million in 2010, while the company got a $3.3 billion federal refund and invested $41.8 million in its own lobbying and political campaigns
But as far as I can tell from the article there's no trace of the phone. They allegedly (I see no sources mentioned) traced it to a guy's house, offered him money for it no questions asked and he denied involvement. It's very much a non story: a guy lost an iPhone, it may have been a prototype. If it's viral marketing they're doing a piss poor job of it.
Yeah, now he only has to make the Android start without injecting the kernel, make it access the touchscreen, oh and let it use the hardware accelerated graphics. But I'm sure that's the easy part, yes ?
The "iCon" biography makes a reference to him donating to a charity for blind children. The SIVA website confirms this and puts it around 1979 which is about the time the Apple II was released, so before they were big-shots really.
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Yes, it's so wildly successful they stopped reporting sales numbers. Now there's vote of confidence if ever I saw one.
This one might be more relevant to the discussion: what tablets looked like before and after the iPad.
This story is apparently based off of observations made in june, when iCloud was first announced, and seems to concern just iMessage not the entirety of iCloud services. iCloud isn't even out yet, it's still in beta (real beta, not "Google beta".) As always without any kind of official confirmation or strong observable evidence this is just a rumor, but that won't stop everyone from reporting it as fact.
I see iPhones everywhere myself. Of course this kind of anecdotal evidence is nearly worthless because of Selective Perception and Confirmation Bias.
Umm... No, these Apple "cultist/fanboy" have existed forever, but only as straw men in the minds of people who seem only capable of seeing things in extremes.
+1, it's just a tired meme beaten to death by people who can't take a joke.
Yeah that, plus the fact that people these days don't seem to get that when we used to talk about "holy wars" and rib each other about using a PC or an Amiga, or Atari, etc. it was all in good fun, a joke. Here's a clue for the people who go around calling others "fanbois" and slinging insults: you don't get it. That goes double for people who refer to apple users as a cult. It's an in-joke ! Nothing worse than people who take a joke seriously.
In contrast to their past history, Apple is not selling at a much higher margin over manufacturing costs (or they have lower costs) vs generic competitors.
This makes it very, very difficult to displace an iPad.
This is brilliantly done by Apple and a real problem for Android tablets: who is making any money ? Google is making a bit of money from the ads in the Google apps and the Android market, meanwhile the hardware vendors because of Apple's sharp margin on the iPad and because they don't control their platform are making nothing. It's a repeat of the PC market with Google playing Microsofts' role, only without the golden decade during the boom years. Amazon seems to be the only one who gets it: cut the tablet down as much as possible to make it cheaper, market to your existing customer base, create your own ecosystem with store etc. and tell Google "so long and thanks for all the fish." They'll be the first ones making serious money of off an Android tablet.
Let's hope Samsung doesn't need to massively discount them because that market may just have been exhausted by the Touchpad firesale.
Saying Samsung isn't selling Android tablets doesn't have a positive effect on the popularity of Android devices. I think they are shooting themselves in the foot.
So even if it's the truth (and why would Lenovo libel Samsung?) it should be suppressed so as to not damage the reputation of your favorite platform ?
And contributing massive amounts to them (HTML5 standards, WebM, Chromium, Android, Wave {which was a completely open protocol}).
HTML5: created by the WHATWG. "WHATWG was founded by individuals from Apple, the Mozilla Foundation and Opera Software in 2004"
Chromium: built on Webkit, created by Apple from the original khtml base.
My thinking exactly. The "men in black"-type story trips all my BS-detectors. I'd like to see some evidence instead of "This guy said ..."
If that's what happened. What we have so far is an unsubstantiated report from a guy, that hasn't pressed charges, who supposedly had a stolen/lost iPhone prototype of which no trace can be found anywhere and for which no police report was filed. The whole thing sounds fishy.
This was the guy who was denying there was an iPhone a month before it came out. I'm not saying he didn't change his mind but if they did have a proto iPad at the time he sure wouldn't have spilled the beans to Mossberg.
Tablets still fail as computers
That's only true if you see computers as an end unto themselves rather than as a means to an end. Take a random person off the street, ask them what they use a computer for. What'll they say ? Email, the web, chatting, watching video, listening to music, managing their pictures, playing games, etc. iPads cover a great deal of what regular people use their computer for and do it in an extremely user friendly way, how's that failing as a computer ?
What has changed is the size of the market for a limited function device. It's not just rich guys who have 2 or 3 computers now.
I think Apple is gambling on iPhones/iPads being at least the second computer device people own and eventually their first. Lots of people don't want a computer they want the internet or IM or games. Making the computer invisible as just a means to an end, that's the iPad.
Bingo. The iPad is to tablets as the original Macintosh was to GUI computers. We're only on the second generation tablets, there's really no telling where this will go.
Gruber said it best :
“open and better” is a recipe for success; “open but worse” is a recipe for obscurity.
Compare this sentence from your link :
"Apple reported income of $18.5 billion and paid $2.7 billion in income taxes, or about 15 percent. "
With this article "Some U.S. firms paid more to CEOs than taxes: study." :
* eBay whose CEO John Donahoe made $12.4 million, but which reported a $131 million refund on its 2010 current U.S. taxes.
* Boeing, which paid CEO Jim McNerney $13.8 million, sent in $13 million in federal income taxes, and spent $20.8 million on lobbying and campaign spending
* General Electric where CEO Jeff Immelt earned $15.2 million in 2010, while the company got a $3.3 billion federal refund and invested $41.8 million in its own lobbying and political campaigns
But as far as I can tell from the article there's no trace of the phone. They allegedly (I see no sources mentioned) traced it to a guy's house, offered him money for it no questions asked and he denied involvement. It's very much a non story: a guy lost an iPhone, it may have been a prototype. If it's viral marketing they're doing a piss poor job of it.
Who losses a phone in a bar anyway?!
TFA: the phone was lost at San Francisco's Cava 22, which describes itself as a "tequila lounge"
'Nuff said
Yeah right, so now the streets are paved with gadgets are they ? Not falling for it America.
Yeah, now he only has to make the Android start without injecting the kernel, make it access the touchscreen, oh and let it use the hardware accelerated graphics. But I'm sure that's the easy part, yes ?
especially since you'll likely be able to put Android on it.
Maybe if you wait 2 years, by which time it'll be outdated.
The "iCon" biography makes a reference to him donating to a charity for blind children. The SIVA website confirms this and puts it around 1979 which is about the time the Apple II was released, so before they were big-shots really.
interminable spouting of quotes and pop culture references - that we've all heard before ad nauseum - contributes nothing to the actual topic of discussion.
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