If Jobs wasn't an innovator, then how do you explain the slew of products that started coming out after he took over? Like the first iMac or the iBook ?
These products were completely revolutionary for the time and were an incredible break from anything that was being sold at that time - even from Apple.
If he was just a salesman then wouldn't he have just tried to keep selling the same old stuff they had? But he didn't. He surrounded himself with a team of designers and changed the landscape forever.
Nobody suggests that he designed everything, or came up with all of the ideas, but Apple and it's products are uniquely Jobs.
>Everyone here knows we need (proper) patent reform across the board.
No, everyone knows that America needs proper patent reform, specifically the ability to patent software and business methods.
The rest of the world (Germany and Australia included) have sane enough patent systems that allow you to have a decent design patent so that somebody else can't just come along and copy e.g. your best selling car and sell it as MyCedes.
These protections are sensible and have now been independently upheld in two different countries.
Apple hasn't complained about any of the other myriad tablets that are in the market, so clearly Samsung skirted as close to an acceptable copy as they thought they could get away with, but clearly too close.
I could narrow my eyes evilly and note that the article says they're only sending them into space, nothing about bringing them back.
'What's that? Want to get back from space you say? Sorry, that's another team.'
There will be forms to fill... And a totally opaque process to follow You might find your request summarily rejected for reasons unknown to you forever And your oxygen given to someone else for no reason
In dba space, all you can do is scream:'>
Seriously though, dba's can be great once they realise you're not just there to waste their time and select gigabytes of data with an exclusive lock and then going to lunch.
I call bullshit on this. Do you really think that the courts would make such a ruling on photographs alone? Do you really think that Samsung's defence team would allow that?
That's just silly.
Clearly the judge looked at the two products and realised that one was a blatant and unsubtle copy of the other, enough to be confusing to consumers.
Both in physical design (more than just rounded corners I'm sure) and software.
I have to say your comment is also pretty insulting to the intelligence of the German courts.
>If you buy a name brand machine, then yes, you might expect it to be locked down, so if that is the case, then the Linux crowd will simply stick to machines they build themselves, or have built for them that are not locked down. Simple solution really.
Linux will never thrive in small businesses under these conditions - and that's where Linux is best suited to start, where people are very cost conscious but need flexibility and reliability.
Having to get specially built machines would be a chilling effect indeed.
Aren't there more things at play than that though?
Like similar materials used, placement of ports and design of edges and general finish.
I mean, if somebody decided to wholesale copy a Mercedes Benz and called GalaxyBenz instead, it would be pretty much the same.
Samsung clearly set out to make their tablet as similar to the iPad as they possibly could - and are now being punished for what can only be classed as sleazy business tactics.
I think it's a good thing. Great artists steal, but only fucking retards totally photocopy.
>Also for big work loads with big files you want to do work locally or have a good fast link to the sever.
You're really not looking at the strengths of the iPad here (or other 'slate like' devices). Basically nobody is going to do that kind of work on an iPad anyway, instead think about the pads strengths - it's great for probably *most* client server type apps.
These kind of apps are really prevalent in businesses where you simply get a client side app (increasingly intranet browser based as well) where you simply pick a bunch of values from a list, and/or enter some basic information in fields.
Think people moving between meetings that want to pull up some random info, or lookup their emails to check some facts, or even ad-hoc plug the thing into a projector to share some info. iPads are great for meeting moths.
Another area that the form factor is really good for is the medical field where doctors need quick access to data, and to be mobile.
Those are the strengths of the iPad, not tied-to-your-desk big data chugging that frankly 99% of people in business just don't do.
The thing that surprises me is that the govts. sympathetic to the rebels didn't send them a load of stinger ground-to-air missiles (a la Afghanistan).
If Ghaddafi found his most valuable assets getting knocked out of the sky so easily, he would've thought twice about deploying them.
The thing that gives pause for thought though, is that the counter insurgents seem to be mostly Libyans themselves. Libyan people attacking their own countrymen would point to still a lot of support for Gadhaffi in his own country; which seems contrary to the reports that were coming out just a few weeks ago.
Stylus input "tablets" have been around for over a decade - and they've mostly died off. The same can mostly be said for tablets with a so-called "full blown" OS (e.g. Windows tablets). The market has spoken, and it's pretty much disproven everything you said. Whether you choose to recognize that fact is an entirely different matter.
Just because a particular product failed doesn't mean that the idea in general is bad. Otherwise, I'd have turned gay after breaking up with my first girlfriend.
Here's a prediction for you - there will be an Apple stylus tablet within 3 years. Until about 6 months before launch, it will continue to be the dumbest idea ever. Then, Steve will proclaim it to be brilliant.
Except you had thousands of other successful hetero relationships around you showing that the idea could in fact be successful - we don't really have that with stylus input. 'cos if we did, then Palm wouldn't be gay right now.
>Here's a prediction for you - there will be an Apple stylus tablet within 3 years. Until about 6 months before launch, it will >continue to be the dumbest idea ever. Then, Steve will proclaim it to be brilliant.
If that's true, it'll be because Apple will have made a product with it that *is* brilliant - and Google will be falling over themselves to get that feature into Android as quickly as they can.
Just what exactly *is* 'socially engineered malware' ?? which is apparently 'actually a huge problem currently.' ? I'm curious to know?
In what was is it different to any run of the mill link that attempts to exploit browser vulnerabilities? Most of which I believe are fixed by the browser vendors pretty quickly the minute they're known about.
Otherwise this whole study seems like a made up problem which is a bit of a non-issue and which appears to be miraculously solved by only one vendor. Unsurprisingly the sponsor of said report.
Wonder how long before there's winmo7 lawsuits as well.
MS & HTC, LG & Samsung seem to have cozied up nicely (since they're producing winmo handsets), but that still leaves Nokia, maybe Motorola, Google and Apple
Although I kinda doubt Apple will enter the ring against MS on this one.
Agreed, they look mostly like sophisticated expert systems.
No new knowledge is produced by them.
However, how does an AI system produce knowledge? And more usefully, how does it get to store that knowledge and pass it on to other systems so that its 'learnings' can be built upon by other systems to increase their sophistication?
If every system has to be built from scratch, I'm pretty sure that's going to hold back the state of the art.
It's weird. Every time Apple do something that appears on the face of it to be consumer friendly, somebody's gotta have a bitch about it.
>I keep imagining Steve Jobs & mates having a laugh about all this.
Actually, I imagine, like any responsible business they sat around and thought how best to stop these enterprising people who couldn't give a fuck about Apple from keeping their legitimate customers from having the device they want at the time they want it.
But hey, if you're an evil bastard yourself then I guess you're going to expect others to be the same as you, and thereby miss the obvious truth of the matter.
Maybe so, but Canonical, unlike say BeOS, don't stand alone.
They have the backing of thousands of enthusiasts, professionals and even other vendors who will champion the cause of Linux and directly or indirectly push each other's products to the forefront - all under the 'Linux' brand name.
Even now, I'm pretty sure Canonical are having the door slammed in their face by every OEM. But they're clearly in it for the long run, and have one of the best Linux offerings available. So I wouldn't count them out just yet.
Would be nice if other countries also requested that at least a review of the validity and viability of software patents in the US be undertaken by the US govt. as part of their ACTA negotiations too.
The rest of the world doesn't need that nonsense polluting our status books as well, so dealing the whole thing a blow at the mother lode would certainly be a useful thing to do whilst there's a bargaining chip on the table.
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>I like how he still thought he was an innovator
If Jobs wasn't an innovator, then how do you explain the slew of products that started coming
out after he took over? Like the first iMac or the iBook ?
These products were completely revolutionary for the time and were an incredible break from anything
that was being sold at that time - even from Apple.
If he was just a salesman then wouldn't he have just tried to keep selling the same old stuff they had? But he didn't. He
surrounded himself with a team of designers and changed the landscape forever.
Nobody suggests that he designed everything, or came up with all of the ideas, but Apple and it's products are uniquely Jobs.
>Yes, but you gain on the infinite height of a tab ending at the top of the screen.
My Taskbar is at the top of the screen you insensitive clod!
Otherwise you'd be absolutely right.
>Everyone here knows we need (proper) patent reform across the board.
No, everyone knows that America needs proper patent reform, specifically the ability to patent software and business methods.
The rest of the world (Germany and Australia included) have sane enough patent systems that allow you to have a decent design patent so that somebody else can't just come along and copy e.g. your best selling car and sell it as MyCedes.
These protections are sensible and have now been independently upheld in two different countries.
Apple hasn't complained about any of the other myriad tablets that are in the market, so clearly Samsung skirted as close to an acceptable copy as they thought they could get away with, but clearly too close.
I could narrow my eyes evilly and note that the article says they're only sending them into space,
nothing about bringing them back.
'What's that? Want to get back from space you say? Sorry, that's another team.'
There will be forms to fill ...
And a totally opaque process to follow
You might find your request summarily rejected for reasons unknown to you forever
And your oxygen given to someone else for no reason
In dba space, all you can do is scream :'>
Seriously though, dba's can be great once they realise you're not just there to waste their
time and select gigabytes of data with an exclusive lock and then going to lunch.
This is the new evolution
If you're fit enough to serve humans' purpose, you get to survive to the next generation.
Pity those animals that currently don't.
Of course they mix quite well, and have done so for
centuries.
Usually in a dungeon somewhere, and the words 'heretic' and 'branding iron' ...
used quite a lot
As in 'where will we apply the branding iron to the heretic next your worship?"
I call bullshit on this. Do you really think that the courts would make such a ruling on photographs alone?
Do you really think that Samsung's defence team would allow that?
That's just silly.
Clearly the judge looked at the two products and realised that one was a blatant
and unsubtle copy of the other, enough to be confusing to consumers.
Both in physical design (more than just rounded corners I'm sure) and software.
I have to say your comment is also pretty insulting to the intelligence of the German courts.
>If you buy a name brand machine, then yes, you might expect it to be locked down, so if that is the case, then the Linux crowd will simply stick to machines they build themselves, or have built for them that are not locked down. Simple solution really.
Linux will never thrive in small businesses under these conditions - and that's where Linux is best suited to start, where people are very cost conscious but need flexibility and reliability.
Having to get specially built machines would be a chilling effect indeed.
Aren't there more things at play than that though?
Like similar materials used, placement of ports and design of
edges and general finish.
I mean, if somebody decided to wholesale copy a Mercedes Benz and called GalaxyBenz instead, it would be pretty much the same.
Samsung clearly set out to make their tablet as similar to the iPad as they possibly could - and are now being punished for what can only be classed as sleazy business tactics.
I think it's a good thing. Great artists steal, but only fucking retards totally photocopy.
Well, I'm glad I read the fine article now, at least I learned something.
FSM, he lives behind the moon! I had no idea!
And I learned that by reading the Christian Science Monitor!
Well, maybe with HP's recent decision to move away from WebOS they might
open source BeOS and let other people play with the code.
BeOS was a fantastically quick to boot and pleasant OS to work with, it would be a shame if it was left to bit-rot forever.
>Also for big work loads with big files you want to do work locally or have a good fast link to the sever.
You're really not looking at the strengths of the iPad here (or other 'slate like' devices).
Basically nobody is going to do that kind of work on an iPad anyway, instead think about the pads strengths - it's great for probably *most* client server type apps.
These kind of apps are really prevalent in businesses where you simply get a client side app (increasingly intranet browser based as well) where you simply pick a bunch of values from a list, and/or enter some basic information in fields.
Think people moving between meetings that want to pull up some random info, or lookup their emails to check some facts, or even ad-hoc plug the thing into a projector to share some info. iPads are great for meeting moths.
Another area that the form factor is really good for is the medical field where doctors need quick access to data, and to be mobile.
Those are the strengths of the iPad, not tied-to-your-desk big data chugging that frankly 99% of people in business just don't do.
The opening credits for this movie are gonna be so great!
The thing that surprises me is that the govts. sympathetic to the rebels didn't
send them a load of stinger ground-to-air missiles (a la Afghanistan).
If Ghaddafi found his most valuable assets getting knocked out of the sky
so easily, he would've thought twice about deploying them.
The thing that gives pause for thought though, is that the counter insurgents
seem to be mostly Libyans themselves. Libyan people attacking their own
countrymen would point to still a lot of support for Gadhaffi in his own country;
which seems contrary to the reports that were coming out just a few weeks ago.
What are they teaching the kids these days?
That the next version will always be better.
It takes a few WinME and Vistas along the line before that's finally knocked out though.
Stylus input "tablets" have been around for over a decade - and they've mostly died off. The same can mostly be said for tablets with a so-called "full blown" OS (e.g. Windows tablets). The market has spoken, and it's pretty much disproven everything you said. Whether you choose to recognize that fact is an entirely different matter.
Just because a particular product failed doesn't mean that the idea in general is bad. Otherwise, I'd have turned gay after breaking up with my first girlfriend.
Here's a prediction for you - there will be an Apple stylus tablet within 3 years. Until about 6 months before launch, it will continue to be the dumbest idea ever. Then, Steve will proclaim it to be brilliant.
Except you had thousands of other successful hetero relationships around you showing that the idea could in fact be successful - we don't really have that with stylus input. 'cos if we did, then Palm wouldn't be gay right now.
>Here's a prediction for you - there will be an Apple stylus tablet within 3 years. Until about 6 months before launch, it will >continue to be the dumbest idea ever. Then, Steve will proclaim it to be brilliant.
If that's true, it'll be because Apple will have made a product with it that *is* brilliant - and Google will be falling over themselves to get that feature into Android as quickly as they can.
Mostly donated by journalists :-)
Wikipedia, too big to fail!!!
It could also be a comment to their own customers ...
GET OFF OF WINXP ALREADY, FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST!! IT DOESN'T EVEN SUPPORT H.264!
WIN7 DOES! EVEN FOR YOUR LEGACY FAVOURED BROWSER!
Just what exactly *is* 'socially engineered malware' ?? which is apparently 'actually a huge problem currently.' ?
I'm curious to know?
In what was is it different to any run of the mill link that attempts to exploit browser vulnerabilities?
Most of which I believe are fixed by the browser vendors pretty quickly the minute they're known about.
Otherwise this whole study seems like a made up problem which is a bit of a non-issue and which appears to be
miraculously solved by only one vendor. Unsurprisingly the sponsor of said report.
hehehe, vendor gets locked in by own lockin!
justice doesn't get more poetic than that ...
Wonder how long before there's winmo7 lawsuits as well.
MS & HTC, LG & Samsung seem to have cozied up nicely (since they're producing
winmo handsets), but that still leaves Nokia, maybe Motorola, Google and Apple
Although I kinda doubt Apple will enter the ring against MS on this one.
Agreed, they look mostly like sophisticated expert systems.
No new knowledge is produced by them.
However, how does an AI system produce knowledge?
And more usefully, how does it get to store that knowledge and pass
it on to other systems so that its 'learnings' can be built upon by other
systems to increase their sophistication?
If every system has to be built from scratch, I'm pretty sure that's going to hold
back the state of the art.
It's weird. Every time Apple do something that appears on the face of it to be consumer friendly,
somebody's gotta have a bitch about it.
>I keep imagining Steve Jobs & mates having a laugh about all this.
Actually, I imagine, like any responsible business they sat around and thought
how best to stop these enterprising people who couldn't give a fuck about Apple from
keeping their legitimate customers from having the device they want at the time they want it.
But hey, if you're an evil bastard yourself then I guess you're going to expect others to be the
same as you, and thereby miss the obvious truth of the matter.
Maybe so, but Canonical, unlike say BeOS, don't stand alone.
They have the backing of thousands of enthusiasts, professionals and
even other vendors who will champion the cause of Linux and directly or
indirectly push each other's products to the forefront - all under the 'Linux' brand name.
Even now, I'm pretty sure Canonical are having the door slammed in their face by
every OEM. But they're clearly in it for the long run, and have one of the best Linux
offerings available. So I wouldn't count them out just yet.
Would be nice if other countries also requested that at least a review of the validity and viability of software patents in the US be undertaken by the
US govt. as part of their ACTA negotiations too.
The rest of the world doesn't need that nonsense polluting our status books as well, so dealing the whole thing a blow
at the mother lode would certainly be a useful thing to do whilst there's a bargaining chip on the table.