Software in theory differs a lot from software in practice. From what I've seen, assuming that black boxes have Good(tm) software just because they're an extremely important component is not a valid assumption to make. I'll give you the 28 years bit (from an AC perhaps not the wisest move), but from the couple years I've seen I'm a bit surprised you aren't more cynical about the process.
That black boxes could be designed to record crashes well seems reasonable. To think that civilian airliners' are designed to handle well a missile strike at any arbitrary location on the lower half of the plane and still record everything reliably isn't, to me.
Yeah, I just laughed when I saw the OP say "0 wars" and halivar say "13 wars." I can't help but twitch every time they talk about "Internet wars," either.
Heck, using the Pony Express numbers, they could have a single guy make the trip to all 7 locations and back and still have 42 days left over, even assuming each leg of the trip is all the way from Atlantic to Pacific.
Please read the entire thread before lodging a moral objection,
Apparently I'm being pragmatic when I complain about specific things wrong with the world instead of enumerating every thing that's happened that I dislike over the last year, in which case we'd be here until next Tuesday. I'm so sorry.
or simply surrender any claim to objectivity at the door, thanks.
Where did I make any such claim? Your tone subjectively rankled me. Then I made a reply subjectively complaining about it.
But the taunting nature of the OP is completely okay with you?
"Backing down" is rather less testosterone-driven than "don't have the balls for it." I would have commented instead on a replier to you who made a reference to "fucking the bitches up" but fortunately nobody did.
We're arguing semantics. His original statement that the U.S. has engaged in 0 wars with Congressional approval since 1945 was correct. There have been 13 engagements with Congressional approval, however you want to qualify that.
Half the problem is that they *are* still "working." I very much contest that that data would be worthwhile (what are you trying to find out, anyway? Where on the plane the missile hit? The exact time the missile hit down to the second? Who cares?). It's kind of hard for the sensors to give worthwhile readings when the components they monitor are gone because you've got chunks missing out of your plane.
Unless you actually believe that that guy in the Toyota floor mats thing (was he in a Prius?) actually had time to pump the brake thousands of times before he stopped (sensors tripping in software will sometimes report the same condition over and over as fast as they can while the condition still exists).
I'm a programmer by trade so please don't assume I'm a total fucking idiot (in this instance).
People who make statements like "country X doesn't have the balls to do Y" are generally people that I hope and pray stay far the hell away from positions of power.
You don't have to believe the propaganda to call this what it is: a regrettable and dumb action.
I assume they had a big Malaysian flag painted on the side of the fucking plane if they had looked. And they were probably broadcasting a civilian transponder code. Although the first casualty of a world where countries routinely engage in false-flag black ops is trust in said countries, naturally.
"Is this a military plane?" "No, of course not!" "Hmm...well, I guess they wouldn't have any reason to lie. Stand down, comrade."
His hate of jews is certainly agreed with by new testament scripture,
Whoa! Um, what? Please show me in the New Testament where it says people should hate Jews. You might, in fact, recall that Jesus prayed that those having him put to death would be forgiven for their actions (although admittedly the guys actually doing the physical nailing to the cross may have been Romans, the Jewish leaders were clearly complicit).
You can blame someone for their actions without hating them, too, although this seems to be a foreign concept in Internet asshole society these days.
turn the knobs and bulldoze the deicidal jews.
"Deicide" in this situation is heavily debatable. Cf. the concept of the Trinity and that Jesus subsequently reappeared to the disciples. But I'm probably being pedantic.
but he had christianity on his side to fire up a furor against the jews, and blacks and atheists, and homosexuals (omg, the bible describes how all of those things are gross. if you dont believe me on the black part, see: curse of ham. and yeah, could be a wrong interpretation, but many christians took it seriously for long enough to make the african slave trade be totally cool)
The relevant narrative occurs in the Book of Genesis and concerns Noah's drunkenness and the accompanying shameful act perpetrated by his son Ham the father of Canaan (Gen. 9:20–27).[2] The controversies raised by this story regarding the nature of Ham's transgression, and the question of why Noah cursed Canaan when Ham had sinned, have been debated for over two thousand years.[3] The story's original objective was to justify the subjection of the Canaanites to the Israelites,[4] but in later centuries, the narrative was interpreted by some Jews,[5] Christians and Muslims as a curse of, and an explanation for, black skin, as well as slavery.[6] Nevertheless, most Christian denominations strongly disagree with such interpretations due to the fact that in the biblical text, Ham himself is not cursed and race or skin color is never mentioned.[7]
Assholes gonna be assholes. If a suitable excuse cannot be found, one will be manufactured.
They're more actual Russian than they are Ukrainian rebel or separatist.
I thought the whole point of the separatist movement was because they would agree with your statement: They label themselves more ethnically Russian than Ukrainian.
I don't really see how it would help at all in the event of a missile attack, either...they already know where it went down. If the plane gets hit by a missile, I would expect that all the data would pretty much immediately go to hell and require sifting with a *very* fine-toothed comb to find anything worthwhile at all.
I read "in the meantime you still have to deal with the damage" as meaning "I support Google knuckling under and removing the search results." Apparently I was mistaken.
Seriously? If they decide they're gonna ruin your life (he's a terrorist! He's exercising his freedom to think!), they're gonna go balls deep; they're not going to just get one or two of your accounts and watch while you try to figure out which ones you can still use and giggle. Overwhelming force, shock and awe, etc. Because they never send SWAT a team to bust down the doors of innocent people. Nope. Never happened.
In practice, I would expect that to only work in not-for-profit organizations.
But I've gradually come to the conclusion that the reason most of the world's problems aren't solved already is because due to the nature of humans they can't be. Too many systems revolve around people acting ethically and when there's money involved it just doesn't work. And there's always money involved somehow.
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Software in theory differs a lot from software in practice. From what I've seen, assuming that black boxes have Good(tm) software just because they're an extremely important component is not a valid assumption to make. I'll give you the 28 years bit (from an AC perhaps not the wisest move), but from the couple years I've seen I'm a bit surprised you aren't more cynical about the process.
That black boxes could be designed to record crashes well seems reasonable. To think that civilian airliners' are designed to handle well a missile strike at any arbitrary location on the lower half of the plane and still record everything reliably isn't, to me.
Yeah, I just laughed when I saw the OP say "0 wars" and halivar say "13 wars." I can't help but twitch every time they talk about "Internet wars," either.
Heck, using the Pony Express numbers, they could have a single guy make the trip to all 7 locations and back and still have 42 days left over, even assuming each leg of the trip is all the way from Atlantic to Pacific.
STFU noob
FTFY.
Please read the entire thread before lodging a moral objection,
Apparently I'm being pragmatic when I complain about specific things wrong with the world instead of enumerating every thing that's happened that I dislike over the last year, in which case we'd be here until next Tuesday. I'm so sorry.
or simply surrender any claim to objectivity at the door, thanks.
Where did I make any such claim? Your tone subjectively rankled me. Then I made a reply subjectively complaining about it.
But the taunting nature of the OP is completely okay with you?
"Backing down" is rather less testosterone-driven than "don't have the balls for it." I would have commented instead on a replier to you who made a reference to "fucking the bitches up" but fortunately nobody did.
Pretty sure you could ride from California to New York in less than 6 months.
We're arguing semantics. His original statement that the U.S. has engaged in 0 wars with Congressional approval since 1945 was correct. There have been 13 engagements with Congressional approval, however you want to qualify that.
Half the problem is that they *are* still "working." I very much contest that that data would be worthwhile (what are you trying to find out, anyway? Where on the plane the missile hit? The exact time the missile hit down to the second? Who cares?). It's kind of hard for the sensors to give worthwhile readings when the components they monitor are gone because you've got chunks missing out of your plane.
Unless you actually believe that that guy in the Toyota floor mats thing (was he in a Prius?) actually had time to pump the brake thousands of times before he stopped (sensors tripping in software will sometimes report the same condition over and over as fast as they can while the condition still exists).
I'm a programmer by trade so please don't assume I'm a total fucking idiot (in this instance).
People who make statements like "country X doesn't have the balls to do Y" are generally people that I hope and pray stay far the hell away from positions of power.
You don't have to believe the propaganda to call this what it is: a regrettable and dumb action.
I assume they had a big Malaysian flag painted on the side of the fucking plane if they had looked. And they were probably broadcasting a civilian transponder code. Although the first casualty of a world where countries routinely engage in false-flag black ops is trust in said countries, naturally.
"Is this a military plane?"
"No, of course not!"
"Hmm...well, I guess they wouldn't have any reason to lie. Stand down, comrade."
Because 35,000 vs. 33,000 is going to make so much difference to a missile battery with a maximum engagement altitude of 72,000, sure.
If you consider "military engagements authorized by Congress" to be the same thing as "war."
If they wanted a war and could get a war declared, why not fucking do it already?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...
America is an independent country but the United States are not.
Actually, America is a pair of continents, but whatever.
One might notice that both "United States" and "Netherlands" are plural.
Not quite sure what a singular Netherland would be, though.
The US [...] in addition to having lost citizens in the crash.
Last I heard they hadn't.
BBC article:
Netherlands: 189
Malaysia: 44 (including 15 crew)
Australian: 27
Indonesia: 12
UK: 9
Germany: 4
Belgium: 4
Philippines: 3
Canada: 1
New Zealand: 1
Unverified: 4
His hate of jews is certainly agreed with by new testament scripture,
Whoa! Um, what? Please show me in the New Testament where it says people should hate Jews. You might, in fact, recall that Jesus prayed that those having him put to death would be forgiven for their actions (although admittedly the guys actually doing the physical nailing to the cross may have been Romans, the Jewish leaders were clearly complicit).
You can blame someone for their actions without hating them, too, although this seems to be a foreign concept in Internet asshole society these days.
turn the knobs and bulldoze the deicidal jews.
"Deicide" in this situation is heavily debatable. Cf. the concept of the Trinity and that Jesus subsequently reappeared to the disciples. But I'm probably being pedantic.
but he had christianity on his side to fire up a furor against the jews, and blacks and atheists, and homosexuals (omg, the bible describes how all of those things are gross. if you dont believe me on the black part, see: curse of ham. and yeah, could be a wrong interpretation, but many christians took it seriously for long enough to make the african slave trade be totally cool)
Curse of Ham:
The relevant narrative occurs in the Book of Genesis and concerns Noah's drunkenness and the accompanying shameful act perpetrated by his son Ham the father of Canaan (Gen. 9:20–27).[2] The controversies raised by this story regarding the nature of Ham's transgression, and the question of why Noah cursed Canaan when Ham had sinned, have been debated for over two thousand years.[3] The story's original objective was to justify the subjection of the Canaanites to the Israelites,[4] but in later centuries, the narrative was interpreted by some Jews,[5] Christians and Muslims as a curse of, and an explanation for, black skin, as well as slavery.[6] Nevertheless, most Christian denominations strongly disagree with such interpretations due to the fact that in the biblical text, Ham himself is not cursed and race or skin color is never mentioned.[7]
Assholes gonna be assholes. If a suitable excuse cannot be found, one will be manufactured.
They're more actual Russian than they are Ukrainian rebel or separatist.
I thought the whole point of the separatist movement was because they would agree with your statement: They label themselves more ethnically Russian than Ukrainian.
I don't really see how it would help at all in the event of a missile attack, either...they already know where it went down. If the plane gets hit by a missile, I would expect that all the data would pretty much immediately go to hell and require sifting with a *very* fine-toothed comb to find anything worthwhile at all.
Ah, okay. Sounds like good ideas to me :)
I read "in the meantime you still have to deal with the damage" as meaning "I support Google knuckling under and removing the search results." Apparently I was mistaken.
Google sued for becoming too successful. News at 11.
I'm going to guess that you're also pro-affirmative action?
Sometimes band-aiding it "in the meantime" just makes the problem last longer.
"I hate this guy and you should too! Because s/he's a..."
[ ] Libtard
[ ] Republicunt
[ ] Terrorist
[X] Pedophile
[ ] Muslim
[ ] Creationist
[ ] Fox News watcher
[ ] Virgin
Thanks so much for your input.
The answer is obviously to delist the "removed from Google" page from Google.
Seriously? If they decide they're gonna ruin your life (he's a terrorist! He's exercising his freedom to think!), they're gonna go balls deep; they're not going to just get one or two of your accounts and watch while you try to figure out which ones you can still use and giggle. Overwhelming force, shock and awe, etc. Because they never send SWAT a team to bust down the doors of innocent people. Nope. Never happened.
In practice, I would expect that to only work in not-for-profit organizations.
But I've gradually come to the conclusion that the reason most of the world's problems aren't solved already is because due to the nature of humans they can't be. Too many systems revolve around people acting ethically and when there's money involved it just doesn't work. And there's always money involved somehow.